loveroftruth:

When you cannot see the lies that rcc feed you, how can you see 'truth' ?

When you people fight to discredit the bible, how can you see the truth even when it hits you on the face ?

loveroftruth:

That ^ date is a biblical caculation as to when the messaiah will appear assumed kingdom power after seating on God's right hand side.

A new president will first be enthroned in the head quarters first, then he will clean the head quarters of wrongs, then he will extend such cleansing to other parts of his kingdom.

Christ was enthrone as king in heaven in 1914, the first thing that he did was to removed satan out of heaven, hence, satan presence on earth with anger shows on the nations becoming rathfull as typified by the war of all nations in 1914 = the first world war.

After cleansing of the heavens, christ the new appointed king will extend the cleansing to the earth, which is why the bible says that Satan have a short period of time left.

Hence, satan is very angry since he will soon be removed from the earth as well.

Christ action in heaven was invisable to humans, just as we could not see when satan was sent out of heaven.

This 1914 calculation has been preached by the jw for about 30years befor the date itself.



The Jws had always hoped that all righteouse people will go to heaven befor that 1935 date, but in 1935, they showed from the bible that the bible has two classes of righteouse people, some to rule in heaven, and the others to live on earth forever.
This new understanding was in 1935, and effort ever since has been on preaching to this "uncountable multitude", why de-emphersising on going to heaven, they made it clear that new peole can still be called by God into the heavenly kingdom, eg. Those with such hope can fall, what happens ? Will God not replace the person ?

In all, the bible says it is 144,000 persons that will go to heaven the bible says. In all, it is God that decides who goes to heaven. Jw just show to its members what is found in the bible.

The jw in that year redirected their attention to gathering the multitude of Uncountable human for everlasting life, while you and your rcc till date still preach the lie that "all righteouse persons goes to heaven".

So, in all, 1935 was the year that the jw redirected their attention to the multitude that will live forever on a paradise earth.

Why not first concern yourself with the lie that the rcc teach ?
The lie that all righteouse persons goes to heaven. If i were you, i should first concern myself with the lie/enemy in rcc.



did you say that they said "Abraham, Isaac, Jacob came to earth ?

That up there is a lie.

If you had said that the JW had expected the end, it will have been very plusible cause my Jw and me as a Jw are constantly in expectation of the end. But we are ever on the watch and look out as Jesus said we should. We know this are are the last days.

But you and rcc dont think so, since you and your learders have basically turned to atheist
and have lost faith in the scriptures, to you, God's promise of a kingdom is not real, hence, you shift it to the death of people only and not that God's kingdom will literaly come as Jesus had ask us to pray for it to come.




The message that the Jw preach is that "the kingdom of God is the solution to human kind problems". (old age, sickness and death).

That ^ was what God said will happened to Adam if they disobeyed = death, that is what the Kingdom will removed after satan has been proved a liar.

"And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away." (Revelation 21:4).

hisblud: jman had agreede they are failed prediction. Confusion. Flip flop

BERNIMOORE:

@hisblud



you have no point,

jonah in the bible predicts fall of nineveh forty days to his proclamation, but it never happen;

Jonah 3:4
4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.

Because of scoffers, here is what jonah said to the lord when the timing change

Jonah 4:4

4 But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he became angry. 2 So he prayed to the Lord, and said, “Ah, Lord, was not this what I said when I was still in my country? Therefore I fled previously to Tarshish; for I know that You are a gracious and merciful God, slow to anger and abundant in lovingkindness, One who relents from doing harm. 3 Therefore now, O Lord, please take my life from me, for it is better for me to die than to live!”

to scoffers, jonah was a false prophet, that he wish to die

my question is; can the timing of God's prophecy change?

answer

hisblud: point of correction NWT false bible will be discredited

hisblud: jman had agreede they are failed prediction. Confusion. Flip flop

jahbiz: Godson201333]By the way why is it that they do not like praying to God

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to scoffers, jonah was a false prophet, that he wish to die

my question is; can the timing of God's prophecy change?

answer

Many things were foretold precisely that they might not come to pass. What we have to decide is whether the prophesy was intended as a prediction or as a warning.

PREDICTION:

If it was a prediction, the plain statement of fact about the future was absolute and was falsified by the event.


WARNING:
If it was a warning, it carried an unexpress condition clause, “unless you repent.”

https://www.biblicaltraining.org/library/prophecy-i/biblical-her

"But bear in mind that the end of1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble. Zion's Watch Tower 1894 Jul 15 p.226

JMAN05:

Give me reason of calling NWT false bible.

hisblud: easy easy. You people are mixing prediction and warning up.


Warning have an element of repentance attached to it while a prediction must occur whether their is repentance or not.


Taking the story of jonah above, it falls under warning and they repented thus the wrath of God did not occur but the return of Yahshua is a prediction that will occur whether people repent or not.

Read this for your enjoyment



now lets take the failed prediction of your prophet on 1914 what we had there was a prediction which MUST occur whether people repent or not and not a warning. Today we are in 2013 and trouble has not ended. Thus we can thus say your prophets were FALSE PROPHETS becos what they predicted has not come to pass. Jman is in full agreement that your prophets' prophecy na lie.

hisblud: In addition, Oh your "repentance" has caused God to allow trouble to continue hence delaying the return of Yahshua abi? failed prophets ka wai. If no be say Yahshua done offer himself, they for don stone all una falsy falsy prophets

hisblud: is 1914 not a lie = NWT is also a lie.

loveroftruth: @Hisblud

you seem to know what Johnah did not know ?

Why did he Johnah complained that God is a forgiving God, that Yahweh will forgive them after he has preach to them ?

Why did Johnah got angry when God refused to destroy the Nenivites ?

Please answer.

And stop lying that Jw said that 1914 will be the end of the world, they did not say that.



now read this and educate your self, if the lies will leave you:


"But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry. And he prayed unto the LORD, and said, I pray thee, O LORD, was not this my saying, when I was yet in my country? Therefore I fled before unto Tarshish: for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil." (Jonah 4:1-2).
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Again, This was the message that God gave to Johnah and not those lies up there you posted:

"And the word of the LORD came unto Jonah the second time, saying, Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city, and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee. So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the LORD. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days’ journey. And Jonah began to enter into the city a day’s journey, and he cried, and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown." (Jonah 3:1-4).
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That message up there is very clear, but liars like you will add and twist it.

The point here is, that someone say what God has said even though God changed his mind, it cannot and will not make him a false prophet unless he lied and say what God has not told him.

But Jw never said that the are prophesying, no, rather, they are bible students that preached what they have seen in the bible.

Can you say that what they say is not in the bible ? No, you cannot.

So, your evil intent to maligned them is on you head.

Keep twisting. Maybe that is what your church teaches you.

Christians indeed, liars.

hisblud: muhehe buhabuhabuhabuha i gave mister bern his answer.

you seem to know what Johnah did not know ?

Why did he Johnah complained that God is a forgiving God, that Yahweh will forgive them after he has preach to them ?

Why did Johnah got angry when God refused to destroy the Nenivites ?

And stop lying that Jw said that 1914 will be the end of the world, they did not say that.

"But bear in mind that the end of1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble. Zion's Watch Tower 1894 Jul 15 p.226

loveroftruth:

You must be : "Animal in human skin".

That ^ above is the way they sound.

hisblud: on which prediction or warning?

hisblud:
becos they responded to God's warning, their repentance hence God were forgiven.

hisblud:
becos the ninvites were evil and he hope they will be not repent, hence be destroyed. do you get angry wit God if He warns you?

That message up there is very clear, but liars like you will add and twist it.

The point here is, that someone say what God has said even though God changed his mind, it cannot and will not make him a false prophet unless he lied and say what God has not told him.

But Jw never said that the are prophesying, no, rather, they are bible students that preached what they have seen in the bible.
Can you say that what they say is not in the bible ? No, you cannot.

So, your evil intent to maligned them is on you head.
Keep twisting. Maybe that is what your church teaches you.

Christians indeed, liars.

hisblud: i dont add to prediction nor warnings

hisblud:
sure, he gave the people warning not prediction.

hisblud:
ok what they said was it prediction or warning?

hisblud:
oboy so you are not christians. Jman you see ko

hisblud: what do you understand by this if am lying?

pls answer me, na

loveroftruth: Now i know that you are not only a liar, but on it is added Ignorance.

That is a statement that is too empty to merit an attention here. Keep saying "warning".

"But bear in mind that the end of1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble. Zion's Watch Tower 1894 Jul 15 p.226

The Nenivites dont think it was a warning also, they just fasted and covered themselves with ash, not that they thought it was a warning.

The message was clear, "in forty days the city will be over throned", you are adding salt and pape after your lies.

The message was a message of distruction that Johnah gave to them, but it did not turn out so.

See what the Nenivites did:

"And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water: But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence that is in their hands. Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?" (Jonah 3:7-9).
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You are a confused lying person.

Johnah gave a message that did not turned out so, but was not a false prophet, you have eating you lies like it or not.
The city was marked for distruction, but God changed his mind, simple. You are the liar here.

hisblud:
ignorant of prediction or warning Was 1914 prediction not a prediction?


what is this, prediction or warning?



so if you tell me that there is danger ahead, will you not be warning me?

clear as warning them.

yes nothing happened becos of repentance which God saw and withdrew His wrath.

loveroftruth:

I thought you had substance, but No, i was wrong.

I leave you alone.

"But bear in mind that the end of1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble. Zion's Watch Tower 1894 Jul 15 p.226

try69: How does light get clearer everyday when the whatever spirit will teach A today, B tomorrow, then go back to A

Confusion!

2 COR 11:14-15
Well, no wonder! Even satan can disguise himself to look like an angel of light!
15. So it is no great thing if his servants of righteousness. In the end they will get exactly what their actions deserve.

You people are mixing prediction and warning up.


Warning have an element of repentance attached to it while a prediction must occur whether their is repentance or not.

hisblud: is 1914 not a lie = NWT is also a lie.