Obi1kenobi:
While I agree with much of these, I do believe we have a culture of intellectual laziness. Our leaders lack the vision and will to create the change but the people are complicit in the ineptitude of the leaders. I'm a strong believer that people deserve the leaders they get. Ours get away with their impunity, gross incompetence and corruption because we tolerate it and don't expect better. I don't believe it's all about guns. A trip through Florence, Venice, Rome etc would give you fascinating insight into the creativity of the human mind even centuries ago. They didn't need guns to accomplish all that. Just vision. Even conceptualizing the industrial revolution didn't require guns. The guns only come into play when labour and raw materials from foreign lands were needed to fuel and drive the vision. It's no different from Egypt using slaves thousands of years ago.

The connection between learning and mental ability is still largely unknown, as are the workings of the brain and the nature of intellectual ability. Intellectual ability does seem to depend more on genetic factors than on environmental factors, but most experts agree that environment plays some significant role in its development.
But can you increase your IQ score? There is some evidence that children develop higher intellectual ability if they receive better nurturing and diet as babies, and a higher degree of intellectual stimulation in preschool tends to boost children's IQ scores for a few years of elementary school but does not permanently increase IQ scores. For the most part, adult IQ scores don't significantly increase over time. There is evidence that maintaining an intellectually stimulating atmosphere (by learning new skills or solving puzzles, for example) boosts some cognitive ability, similar to the way maintaining an exercise regimen boosts physical ability, but these changes aren't permanent and do not have much effect on IQ scores.
So your IQ score is relatively stable, no matter what education you acquire. This does not mean that you can't increase your intelligence. IQ tests are only one imperfect method of measuring certain aspects of intellectual ability. A lot of critics point out that IQ tests don't measure creativity, social skills, wisdom, acquired abilities or a host of other things we consider to be aspects of intelligence. The value of IQ tests is that they measure general cognitive ability, which has been proven to be a fairly accurate indicator of intellectual potential. There is a high positive correlation between IQ and success in school and the work place, but there are many, many cases where IQ and success do not coincide
http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/inside-the-mind/human-brain/question455.htm

Onlytruth: The map must have been prepared by a Chinese. That throws water on the whole thing because I do not believe that Chinese are smarter than Americans or Germans.
If the Chinese are so smart why are they deficient in innovations and inventions? Why do they lag the Germans, Americans and Russians in patent registration and why are they always copying what others CREATED?

BTW Camerounians are NOT (by a long shot) less smart than Nigerians.

Obi1kenobi:
Low IQ alert! So, it's pseudo-science cos it doesn't conform to your blinkered illusions, abi? Discredited by who? So only the dissenters deserve a voice in the scientific community?

I don't know why you're listing all those Asian nations as if I told you they were all better than the black/African nations. I only spoke of the white nations.

You obviously don't have much of a clue if you think Jamaica and Botswana don't have a white, elite economic class.

They're little different from South Africa. Jamaica as recently as the 90's had a white Prime Minister.

Botswana has had a significant white minority since the Afrikaner/Boer invasion in the 19th century.

You keep talking about "inferiority complex" but your rabid anti-Western posts shows someone with deeply etched insecurities.

The study doesn't make me feel inferior because it doesn't account for the individual but rather for the collective.

"oh, but Egypt invented writing.....blah, blah, blah...". Nevermind that your ancestors couldn't read, write or document their history. And many sold their people to slavery for trinkets, mirrors and schnapps.

"Egypt did this. The Moors did that....blah, blah". Why the hell then was pre-colonial sub-Saharan Africa several centuries behind Europe in development.

Why then was the African continent - who can't stop talking about Egyptian glory - so stagnant.

Obi1kenobi:
While I agree with much of these, I do believe we have a culture of intellectual laziness. Our leaders lack the vision and will to create the change but the people are complicit in the ineptitude of the leaders. I'm a strong believer that people deserve the leaders they get. Ours get away with their impunity, gross incompetence and corruption because we tolerate it and don't expect better. I don't believe it's all about guns. A trip through Florence, Venice, Rome etc would give you fascinating insight into the creativity of the human mind even centuries ago. They didn't need guns to accomplish all that. Just vision. Even conceptualizing the industrial revolution didn't require guns. The guns only come into play when labour and raw materials from foreign lands were needed to fuel and drive the vision. It's no different from Egypt using slaves thousands of years ago.

ROSSIKE: Very impressed by your contributions daz York. Well done.

ROSSIKE:

The people who create your discredited, pseudo-scientific ''intelligence charts'' are regarded as the dregs of the scientific community, using methodologies universally acknowledged to be scientifically unsound and baseless, and constituting quackery of the first order. Do NOT insult the global scientific community by including these groups of discredited vandals in it. Not ONE of them is highly regarded in the global scientific community, and most have dubious personal histories involving inter alia issues like child and alchohol abuse, and links to outcast neo-nazi and skinhead organisations.

Why only white nations? Your ''intelligence chart'' includes Asians! They are even supposed to be ''more intelligent' than whites! Yet Millions of Africans live in paradisaic conditions compared to them! Explain it! Don't run away from your own contradictions. By your logic (ie that intelligence (based on skin colour) accounts for economic/social well being of a people), then it follows that black African nations (the ''dumbest'') should not be miles ahead of any Asians (''the smartest''). So explain why GHANA is miles ahead of BURMA in every respect you care to mention, from technology to social services, and from governance to GDP per capita. Ghana is in every sense a more developed nation than Burma. Ghana is even more developed than Vietnam. The Vietnamese are virtually the same race as the Singaporeans, South Koreans and Japanese. According to your logic a Ghanaian must be more intelligent than a Burmese. But not more intelligent than a guy from Singapore. What does your chart say about this discrepancy? Isn't it based again on ''skin colour''? North Koreans and South Koreans are of the same race and speak the same language. The living standards in Zambia are higher than in North Korea. But lower than in South Korea. So is a Zambian more intelligent than a North Korean and less intelligent than a South Korean? Explain your hypothesis.

What exactly do you mean by ''elite white economic class''? Every country on earth with white folks in it must have that. Countries with any black folks in it also have an ''elite black economic class''. The UK has one. The USA has one. Just because you have a few white guys living well in Jamaica does not mean they ''run things''. The GOVERNMENT IS BLACK-RUN, and that is ALL that counts in ANY country. It is not a country's job to keep out investors based on skin colour. It is YOUR headache if you wish to credit WHITES for a successful black governed economy incorporating all men regardless of colour.

The 80s you mean. And the USA has Obama, a black president. So? Are you now going to credit BLACKS with every US success going forward?

Of course not... Because you are an unthinking slave to whites, who, as though in a queer religion, attributes magical qualities to their pink skin colour over sheer common sense.

And because you are a mental slave you credit the entire country's success to the ''significant white minority'' over everyone else, including the famed stability and maturity of the black government of that nation.

It is anti-western to insist that Africans are the equal of all humans?

I think you're mentally sick.

In other words you think you are smarter than other Africans. Typical buffoon. Intriguingly, it is your type the whites were able to manipulate in the past into betraying their own, by placing you on a false pedestal, from which you oppressed your brother. We can smell your type for a mile, and you do stink quite frankly.

''oh but the white man is god, never mind that he couldn't read, write or document his history until the black man went there and civilized him between 785 and the 1500s, and in North Africa, millions of whites sold their own people into slavery, with 'slave' coming from the European word 'slav', for people from affected regions.'' Two can play that game Mr.

Excerpts:


''In the 16th – 18th century, Africans enslaved 1.5 million White Europeans in the Barbary Slave Trade. African Muslims raided up the coastlines of Europe, particularly the British Isles but even as far as Iceland, kidnapping and enslaving White European Christians. The men were galley slaves, and the women were sex slaves. This was more brutal than working on a plantation or as a domestic servant.''

http://violenceagainstwhites./white-slaves/

Did Egypt and the Moors NOT do what they did, YES OR NO?

You cannot dismiss the achievements of ancient black Africans on the excuse that modern-day Africa was 'behind Europe'. This is not a beer parlour debate. Focus on ONE issue at a time. We are talking about CONTRIBUTIONS BY THE RACES to the modern world. No race has ALWAYS BEEN ADVANCED ALL THE TIME, LEAST OF ALL THE WHITES YOU WORSHIP.

So asking ''why was Africa behind'' 400 years ago is quite pointless in the context of history. In history there were ALWAYS some regions that were 'behind' others. Global development has never been uniform. That we happen to live in a period in which Africa was behind does not imply that Africans are ''less intelligent than'' the rest of the world. Were blacks more intelligent than whites when the whites were behind the whole world in technology and development? Were blacks more intelligent than whites when they brought literacy to Europe in 785?

If we are to attribute a region's state of development to the ''intelligence'' of her people are you saying that intelligence can alter within races over millenia, since no race maintains permanent dominance?

Explain your hypothesis, because it appears to be founded on simplistic considerations that make no real sense.





Intriguingly enough, the loss of Egypt (and the north African coast) by Africans had a LOT to do with the later 'stagnation' that befell the continent south of the Sahara. (Another reason was desertification of the once-fertile Sahara). African kingdoms became isolated from global occurrences and developments and also dependent on Arabs (the new controllers of the northern coast) for their links to the mediterranean trade channels, along which great changes were taking place, in information and the sciences and involving actors from across Europe, Asia and beyond.

See, for thousands of years, the blacks controlled their northern coasts, and were right at the center of this mediterranean, global interchange of ideas and 'best practices', with Egypt the flag bearer and exporter of African ingenuity.

In pure historical terms, it was the loss of Egypt and the north African coast by black Africans, the Sahara's desertification, and their subsequent geographical isolation that led to African 'stagnation' following the final fall of Egypt, Nubia, Kush etc to the Arab invasions of 700 AD. By the time the successor African states which sprung up in the interior like Ghana, Mali, Songhai, Benin, Oyo, Ashanti etc were able to re-arrange and organize themselves into major powers, Europe had entered the industrial age, leaving them to play catch-up. The rest is history.

For more indepth reading of this, read The Destruction of Black Civilization by Chancellor Williams.

Obi1kenobi:
Can you substantiate any of this nonsense or as I asked before, is it because it doesn't conform to whatever blinkered fantasies you have? So anyone postulating theories based on often exhaustive experimental results that you don't agree with have to be neo-nazi skinheads, alcohol and child abusers. How pathetic you are.

revolt: All these unneceSsary verbiage n verbosity in defense of African supremacy is quite laughable! Germany was bombed day n night for 72days(non stop), gvn economic blockades and embargoes to name a few, plus the British propaganda tht amplified and exaggerated the holocaust, yet in al these I need not say the rest. I hate when I read posts blaming the Europeans for our cave man status in 21century, or attributing environmental disadvantages as excuses for negroid retrogression! These poor dissertations fail to make refrences to the black mans untainted crude culture of bringing down his younger generations ie given superiority to older folks! Lemme illustrate with examples we all can relate to.
The black mother boils egg for the family divides it unequally and gves the bigger portion to the older person. Its ironical to note tht the child actually needs the eggs more than the folks! If he dares pick up the larger portion he's shouted down and named a greedy child. If a youth talks amongst elders in family meetings he's branded disrespectful. the most creative intuitive and explorative part of a mans life is during his youth. The African culture has evolved to make sure youths remain passive.
For tht bros tht talked about obnoxious environments providing the necessary impettus for European creativity, may I ask why the Air conditioner was not created by the black man or the windmill wasn't created by the Sahara ppl? The white man comes to visit our kings, a slave with a large feather is assigned to fan him(ofcos the king has his), oyibo decides to formulate a mechanism tht solves the issue of fanning and unlike the slave, doesn't get tired!
Like somebody said the rest of world has a culture of problem solving, the black man would rather adapt. The black race is the only race thts been conquered by his environment. Our refusal to let go of this crude mysticism infested culture is the reason we haven't embraced science. To digress a little, after the civil war, wth the discoveries and crude weapons built by biafran scientists I can swear the typical Europeans would hve built on them, but ofcos the blck man chose nepotism against scientific progress!
We all knw how Honda, Benz, volswagen, mitsubishi etc became big brands in America. They were nazi n japanese hardware manufacturers in WWII.

ba7man: As we're arguing on who's smarter, the new S-Class with heads-up display screens has been launched.

As long as the whites are ahead in every aspect of development ( If you disagree, mention just one which blacks are ahead or at par) , all this remains empty talk.

We should lead by example that the World can see not past glory or empty talk online.

revolt: All these unneceSsary verbiage n verbosity in defense of African supremacy is quite laughable! Germany was bombed day n night for 72days(non stop), gvn economic blockades and embargoes to name a few, plus the British propaganda tht amplified and exaggerated the holocaust, yet in al these I need not say the rest. I hate when I read posts blaming the Europeans for our cave man status in 21century, or attributing environmental disadvantages as excuses for negroid retrogression! These poor dissertations fail to make refrences to the black mans untainted crude culture of bringing down his younger generations ie given superiority to older folks! Lemme illustrate with examples we all can relate to.
The black mother boils egg for the family divides it unequally and gves the bigger portion to the older person. Its ironical to note tht the child actually needs the eggs more than the folks! If he dares pick up the larger portion he's shouted down and named a greedy child. If a youth talks amongst elders in family meetings he's branded disrespectful. the most creative intuitive and explorative part of a mans life is during his youth. The African culture has evolved to make sure youths remain passive.
For tht bros tht talked about obnoxious environments providing the necessary impettus for European creativity, may I ask why the Air conditioner was not created by the black man or the windmill wasn't created by the Sahara ppl? The white man comes to visit our kings, a slave with a large feather is assigned to fan him(ofcos the king has his), oyibo decides to formulate a mechanism tht solves the issue of fanning and unlike the slave, doesn't get tired!
Like somebody said the rest of world has a culture of problem solving, the black man would rather adapt. The black race is the only race thts been conquered by his environment. Our refusal to let go of this crude mysticism infested culture is the reason we haven't embraced science. To digress a little, after the civil war, wth the discoveries and crude weapons built by biafran scientists I can swear the typical Europeans would hve built on them, but ofcos the blck man chose nepotism against scientific progress!
We all knw how Honda, Benz, volswagen, mitsubishi etc became big brands in America. They were nazi n japanese hardware manufacturers in WWII.

ba7man: As we're arguing on who's smarter, the new S-Class with heads-up display screens has been launched.

As long as the whites are ahead in every aspect of development ( If you disagree, mention just one which blacks are ahead or at par) , all this remains empty talk.

We should lead by example that the World can see not past glory or empty talk online.


True, we're amongst the fastest growing economies in the World but comparing it to the Western Economy is like comparing a 7 year old child's growth spurt to a 40 year old man's.

We're late to the party in a lot of things.


This is quite interesting the way the mind works.,., Okay Sir, lets for the sake of argument deconstruct the picture you just posted, or what I can see from it.

It is the picture of a cars interior right--- just making sure

I see a seat which is an invention by whom
I see a leather which is an invention by whom,
I see a lap top invented by whom,
I presume that car has wheels invented by whom
I see a steering for the wheel invented by whom
It has an engine I presume invented by whom
It is made of iron and steel invented by whom.

now you get the drift..,.,

Oh the picture really looks beautifull, I love it -, but would you consider an interior decoration an invention.
You know you can love-vendor your car to look the same, it does not take much just a bit of artistic creativity which am sure you have.

Aigbofa:

When I read these things I just shake my head. I have seen primary schools in Germany that are better equipped than our best universities. But we want to make cars like Germans. This type of thinking may actually be the reason some people think we are dumb.

ba7man: @Kmariko. Your analysis isn't in-depth enough.

A car represents the marriage of raw materials......Metal, rubber, petroleum, leather hide, fabric, plastic, glass.....held together by technology to produce a projectile controlled by humans moving along at speed never before thought possible by man.......we're still celebrating crude-oil discovery with intention to sell, not to extract the various products within it.

I don't need to put up a stealth fighter plane to know how advanced thinking has become.....

Its not about how beautiful the car's interior is.

Obi1kenobi:
Can you substantiate any of this nonsense or as I asked before, is it because it doesn't conform to whatever blinkered fantasies you have? So anyone postulating theories based on often exhaustive experimental results that you don't agree with have to be neo-nazi skinheads, alcohol and child abusers. How pathetic you are.

Once again, I mentioned nothing comparing Asians and Africans.

You chose to run with it. Of course, as with any social theory, there are exceptions and anomalies (these are not physical sciences) but there's a clear observable trend when comparing Africa and other black nations to their counterparts round the world. And there is a clear observable trend comparing blacks in ANY society in isolation with other racial groups in that same society.

It means those societies have often proven unable to distinguish themselves in the absence of white economic dominance despite having political control that were attained by their greater population over the white minorities.

Zimbabwe is a case in point where the attempt to wrestle control of production means from the tiny white minority spectacularly backfired, wrecking what was once one of Africa's most prosperous economies.

I meant the 90's.

I've attributed and credited nothing to anyone there. Was merely pointing out Jamaica and Botswana have significant white minorities.

The analogy with Obama is a failed one. Blacks are pretty much economic liabilities in the US compared to other groups. You can't say that about the whites in Jamaica or Botswana.

Far from it. You reserve the right to do that. But anyone who has consistently gone through your propagandist drivel over the years knows you have an unhealthy, rabid anti-Western agenda and obsession.

Don't kid yourself with the bolded. Those were not blacks. They're your modern day Mediterraneans who conquered and re-colonized the North of Africa.

We civilized Europe and taught them to write. Yet, we ourselves couldn't read or write.

So in our Southward drift with the Arab conquest of Egypt, did we suddenly forget how to read and write? Did we forget the mathematics and astronomy of the Egyptians? Or their religion? Their dressing? Their farming and irrigation techniques? Their language? Or their construction technology? What is certain is that for all the African claims to Egypt, the overwhelming majority of African tribes had absolutely nothing to do with Egyptian history.

ba7man: Now who was intelligent enough to equip their primary schools more than the universities of some??

Aigbofa:

Mahatma Gandhi once said 'there's enough for everyone's need but not enough for everyone's greed'

If we have people in power who trade off our prosperity and development for their own personal gain, we need to be able to connect the dots and not sheer them on. This is what others have done effectively.
And it doesn't take a lot of brain power to do that.

kmariko:


Your example smacks of what is a family problem than a cultural problem ,. I dont know any culture that generally practices what I presume to be "your family situation .,., which I believe is a result of poverty -- to share one egg among so many people.

Secondly not many Africans practiced kingdomship --- as I see from your vast knowledge of Western literature.
Please do not use your own personal cultural setting to impune on other Sub-saharan Africans who have since moved on.

General Macarthur the overseer in Japan once said that the japanese has the IQ of an American child.,., and fifty years later go figure.

The point is that the ability to make things does not equal IQ.,., example who has a higher IQ Einstein or Soichiro Honda. Then again does it mean that IQ is very abstract and does not really translate to tangible everyday use product.

Lastly my question to you is .,., compared to your parents and grand parents are you better of in terms of knowledge or not?

baby_123: Look around you. Compare to other countries in the world. It is not a lie or racism. It is the honest, simple and quite hurtful truth.

ROSSIKE:

Maximum dunce. How many countries in the world have you personally visited? Why don't you stay in the kitchen where you belong and leave such discussions for educated people?

revolt: I can't even fathom what u mean each tyme u mention Egypt in your arguments. Egyptians are not negroid, they're more of Arabs.