saly kely:

i think u are wrong here. the Noble Prophet told us and we believe in him... so we have no burden to start proven Him right,we know He speaks the Truth. the Burden is on u unbelievers to proof by way of science that he is wrong and not by speculation.

golpen:

Pls let's have your stance before I burst your skull.

saly kely:

Have u check the link i posted in my comment? I think you av nt. now why do u think the president of the united state and other historians attributed such to Islam? i understand ur argument, but it is simply untenable. Islam is very unlike other religions. till date scientific facts are still mentioned in the Quran what do u have to say about that? All Historians attributed it to Islam because of of the Islamic factors. Do u know that the Arabs were the most backward of all people till they embrace Islam, and in less than 50 years they conquered the two most powerful empires, i.e Byzantine and Persians. do u know that areas like syria, lebanon, palestine, egypt turkey (i.e Constantinople ) were all christians. what brought about their Islamization. in fact Constantinople was the capital of the then eastern church while Rome was the capital of the western church. this innovations are so reffered because while Islam was spreading round the globe especially in europe through Spain, this innovations were brought by the conquering muslims in line with the dictate of their religion. you will be traducing history if you deny Islam the credit of this innovation. i just ask my friend who studied history about from Ife about muslims and their innovations she told me the same thing that they were so referred. so plz if u still have any problem with muslim innovations go query Historians or even the US President, i will qoute him again
[b]"As a student of history, I also know civilization's debt to Islam. It was Islam – at places like Al-Azhar University – that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe's Renaissance and Enlightenment. It was innovation in Muslim communities that developed the order of algebra; our magnetic compass and tools of navigation; our mastery of pens and printing; our understanding of how disease spreads and how it can be healed. Islamic culture has given us majestic arches and soaring spires; timeless poetry and cherished music; elegant calligraphy and places of peaceful contemplation. And throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality.
I know, too, that Islam has always been a part of America's story. The first nation to recognize my country was Morocco. In signing the Treaty of Tripoli in 1796, our second President John Adams wrote, "The United States has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Muslims."[/b]

baba11: ....If you are a muslim,you will not say d@!!!

novicali: Was that a surprise to you? You never knew such is in the Bible... That the Bible is the beginning of WISDOM and where Creation .... started. SO when next you ask question be careful.... Again in my culture and tradition we dont speak to people the way your language sound... Please dont burst my skull ok.

maryam8080: There is something that I have observed in life, and that is there are two people in this world, the good people and the bad people, irrespective of your religious inclination. Come to think of it, don't you think if the whole Muslims in Nigeria are really good Muslims Nigeria wouldn't be the way it is today. I think you should think less of religion and be more human in your approach to issues in life. Check out the ranks of people that have ruled Nigeria you will find more Muslims than any other religion, so why didn't they reflect Islam in what they were doing in the government? So what if another person from another religion occupies that position and perform better? Which means that person is the better person and the former is a bad person. Now I am not discussing religion but the individual at the center. Should I now support the person who is bad because he/she is a Muslim? Then I am not a true Muslim.
So my stand remains strong:
1. Religion is a private thing
2. Theology cannot/and will not motivate any invention rather necessity.
3. If theology motivates inventions, then the Muslims should not use anything invented by anyone who is not a Muslim because such invention is corrupt and not holy, the way a Muslim is not allowed to marry a Hindu and other religion affiliated to idols.
4. That there are two kinds or people in this world the bad and the good people (They can be found across all religious bodies)
5. That life is about what people can make out of the life you are living( your meaningful contributions to the world) if the reverse is the case then there is trouble (cheating and killing is unavoidable)

maryam8080: There is something that I have observed in life, and that is there are two people in this world, the good people and the bad people, irrespective of your religious inclination. Come to think of it, don't you think if the whole Muslims in Nigeria are really good Muslims Nigeria wouldn't be the way it is today. I think you should think less of religion and be more human in your approach to issues in life. Check out the ranks of people that have ruled Nigeria you will find more Muslims than any other religion, so why didn't they reflect Islam in what they were doing in the government? So what if another person from another religion occupies that position and perform better? Which means that person is the better person and the former is a bad person. Now I am not discussing religion but the individual at the center. Should I now support the person who is bad because he/she is a Muslim? Then I am not a true Muslim.
So my stand remains strong:
1. Religion is a private thing
2. Theology cannot/and will not motivate any invention rather necessity.
3. If theology motivates inventions, then the Muslims should not use anything invented by anyone who is not a Muslim because such invention is corrupt and not holy, the way a Muslim is not allowed to marry a Hindu and other religion affiliated to idols.
4. That there are two kinds or people in this world the bad and the good people (They can be found across all religious bodies)
5. That life is about what people can make out of the life you are living( your meaningful contributions to the world) if the reverse is the case then there is trouble (cheating and killing is unavoidable)

golpen:

I just hope I won't have a problem in trying to educate you, that is if you are willing to learn. Now listen and read clearly;

They are islamic inventions and not arab inventions, because the inspiration of those inventions came from the practice of islam. An example is the 'algebra' which has been a major centre here. It was inspired when the inventor read through the passage of the qur'an which speaks of sharing of inheritance.
Ibn sina's 'cannon of medicine' which was a book used in the medical world for centuries was inspired by the prophetic medicine, authored by Muhammad (saw).

If you read books of science that have constructively made references to the qur'an, you'll see that these science analysis have been proven in the qur'an. No invention has been biblically recorded, so we can never have christianity inventions.

A word is enough for the wise. Just go make your research and findings before coming here...

shalomm: smh............guy you have to go for check up...........or maybe JTF should pay you a visit. Name the drugs that the " muslim" physician manufactured, or better still, name how many hospital in the Arab world that is recognized ( Israel exclusive, cause they aren't muslims or better still Terrorist)

golpen:

I don't need to mind your disease. You have just displayed it. We are talking about inventions, not the number of hospitals. You don't deserve to be here where intellectuals are discussing. NL should better creat a children section for kids

shalomm:

No hard feelings! Invention like Suicide bombing? i guess they invented that one too. kindly take a look at the topic and name one invention that has changed or shaped the world, Apart from Terrorism.

maryam8080: I think you should think less of religion and be more human in your approach to issues in life.

maryam8080: If theology motivates inventions, then the Muslims should not use anything invented by anyone who is not a Muslim because such invention is corrupt and not holy, the way a Muslim is not allowed to marry a Hindu and other religion affiliated to idols

cloudstar: vedaxcool



The Bible don suffer oh - All I asked was that the gentleman prove Adam was 90 feet tall as stated in the Hadith. Instead of you trying to give a reasonable answer, YOU TOTALLY IGNORED THE QUESTION and started quoting the Bible you conveniently claim is corrupt. Bros, please leave the Bible out of this. Use some common sense and answer the question that was asked.

dyfatai: Salam alaekum sister

U av made some powerful statement here. I will like 2 point out one or two things 4 u. May Allah (S.W.A) forgive us where we've erred.

Firstly, it is nt permissible 2 put our own desire/wot we think over wot Allah has ordained. U are advocating 4 secularism and not Islam by saying one shld separate islam from other issues of life because our religion encompasses all aspects of life.



Allah (S.W.A) has clearly stated 4 us in d quran wot is Halal and Haram. By this statement of yours, u r tryying 2 make Haram wot Allah has made Halal. May Allah forgive us.

Wot im saying in essence is d@ wen discussing about religion, we shldn't put wot we think is right over Allah's decree. Allahu Allam

baba11: ...You just told me the reason y you don't come to islamic section,i got that!Is Goodluck a muslim?Corruption is @ its peak.Definitely,necessity's the mother of invention,that shouldn't make you not to encourage your fellow brothers to do the same!We muslims,we are good people,we do not kill or threat our fellow human being unjustly,if anybody does otherwise,he/she has trangressed(deviated) from the right path.May Allah prevents us from such!!!

maryam8080:
There are things I want to point out here which you are not getting right:
1. Address the points that you picked from statement very well and dont beggar any of them
2. If you term my statements as secular, well , to me it looks myopic and you should broaden you mind, unless you want me to pick arms before I will be considered a true Muslim.
3. Talking about secularism I have been fortunate and unfortunate to have lived with people from the Arab world and work in their house and ate with them stay with their children and wives. In a way I dont think that I am more secular then them. Inside their houses anything goes which does not reflect the life they live outside. Sometimes, I wander who is deceiving who and who is cheating who?
4. Please, I dont want to go further to talk about my experiences but I will leave you with this word in everything try as much as you can to be human no matter who is involve.(In this life I have received help where I never thought it will come from and I have been denied help where I thought I should be harboured/nurtured.
5. I have chosen to work with good people and shun bad people regardless of their religion chikena!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

maryam8080:

golpen:

I'm sorry about the skull stuff, it's just a way of saying what you know I mean.

But in this text I have above, you've not given me any explanation of what you mean and how it relates with the topic of christian inventions. I don't need to know what is in the bible, though I'm conversant with some, so how should I be suprised you have such? Nobody cares until you give an explanation.

maryam8080: Well if your Goodluck is an evil person I will not work with him and one more thing I have not applauded the current administration in Nigeria! However, my stand still remains i will work with good people not the bad ones. People are hiding under religion and disguising themselves as pure whereas evil is hibernated in them. My word to you is that you should try and be human in all your approach to issues in this life.

novicali: Well the Bible is the Holy book of the Christians, so if such quotations and many could be found in the Bible it means that they (Christians) can be inspired by these quotations to go into inventions and manufacturing of things

baba11: .........oooh yea,i got d@!you are a free thinker!!i doubt if you pray 5* in a day sha!!!#dont use minority attitude to judge majority,follow the right path....

baba11: ....You failed to understand that you cannot alienate religion from your existence.It's religion that shaped me to be good to my fellow being like u.Y?because he has taught me d complete way of life.Whoever does otherwise follow their whims and would be judge accordingly!If u do an atom of good deeds,u'll surely be rewarded for it,so think!!! #thinkstraight!!!!!!!

maryam8080: And equally you shouldn't use the majority attitude to judge the minority because sometimes there are foolish majority, that is why I never advocate for democracy! That is why in your country Nigeria you have the masses who I consider MUMU Multitude following few elites who are just organised skimmers. The are found in the government and in the religious settings. Nobody can confuse me gone are days... now I have decided to work with good people and not bad people you can't confuse me enough... not even with religion, tribal sentiments, gender sentiments and all worth trashes people are using to confuse the lesser minds.

maryam8080: And equally you shouldn't use the majority attitude to judge the minority because sometimes there are foolish majority, that is why I never advocate for democracy! That is why in your country Nigeria you have the masses who I consider MUMU Multitude following few elites who are just organised skimmers. The are found in the government and in the religious settings. Nobody can confuse me gone are days... now I have decided to work with good people and not bad people you can't confuse me enough... not even with religion, tribal sentiments, gender sentiments and all worth trashes people are using to confuse the lesser minds.

maryam8080: And equally you shouldn't use the majority attitude to judge the minority because sometimes there are foolish majority, that is why I never advocate for democracy! That is why in your country Nigeria you have the masses who I consider MUMU Multitude following few elites who are just organised skimmers. The are found in the government and in the religious settings. Nobody can confuse me gone are days... now I have decided to work with good people and not bad people you can't confuse me enough... not even with religion, tribal sentiments, gender sentiments and all worth trashes people are using to confuse the lesser minds.

maryam8080: And equally you shouldn't use the majority attitude to judge the minority because sometimes there are foolish majority, that is why I never advocate for democracy! That is why in your country Nigeria you have the masses who I consider MUMU Multitude following few elites who are just organised skimmers. The are found in the government and in the religious settings. Nobody can confuse me gone are days... now I have decided to work with good people and not bad people you can't confuse me enough... not even with religion, tribal sentiments, gender sentiments and all worth trashes people are using to confuse the lesser minds.

maryam8080: Answer these questions:
1. If you are a Muslim probably because you are born into a Muslim family right?
2. Do you consider the fact that you never gave ALLAh the option to create you and place you in a particular family. Therefore you are born into a Muslim family is a privilege not a right.
3. Do you now condemn others who are not "privileged or fortunate" like you?
4. In that case you came to meet the religion you now belong not the reverse?
5. Have you ever thought about the faith/fate of others who are not born Muslims
6. Do you believe that if people like you can live out what the Holy Koran teaches these other people can become Muslims with easy?
7. For the fact that they didn't create themselves do you now blame them and what is your work towards them... Is it to portray yourself better than them and make them look like lesser mortals?
My dear, you have to think and not just think straight but in a broaden manner.

baba11: ....Well,whether you are jamaican,togo etc,i don't mind.I am not that fanatic religion wise.Thank God you didn't abuse me because of boko Haram.I am just here to tell you that,Allah has taught us completely how we are going to live our life to the fullest,no sentiment whatsoever!Maybe you are being influence by your environs,i can't say!If i may ask,where are you from?but never say we nigerians are MUMU,i beg to differ abeg.If you want to know ,we are the smartest.

baba11: .....What are you insinuating?

maryam8080: Dont rove from the questions answer them sincerely and faithfully.

maryam8080: The smartest indeed! Yes of course in 419, Credit cards, forgery, Drug paddling, Ritual killings,cultism both in schools and outside, slavery, human right abuse, religious "bigot-ism", repression of the lowly and poor citizens. A smart country led by PHd and a former lecturer and the university union is on strike, it takes ten years to graduate from any Nigerian university, what a shame? Smart people without electricity, having an economy that is being powered by "I better pass my neighbour" and you are smart people. They have sold NEPA or Your PHCN and there is no light virtually all over the country. Everyday your PHD president will come out to promise 5000mgwatts for a country that needs at least 3-600,000mg watts. Smart people! Oil theft has become a routine, kerosene is now 150.00naira per/lit in a country that produces and export crude, smart people your Refineries refused to work since 12yrs ago, up till now the turn around maintenance never come to an end. 10 - 15 years back to travel along the highways was delightful, as a driver you can close your eyes and drive. A journey from Benin to Lagos will not take more than 4hrs on a well regulated speed but these days the story is different. I visited home and I traveled to Abuja, I met a city built with corrupt money, pollution was/is everywhere, homosexualism and lesbianism on the rise. I saw rottenness in the form of the so called progress or prosperity. I began to wander what the future holds for the coming generation. All the ministries that I visited I met corruption right from the gate man or security agent at the gate, you must drop for him/her to do his job, bribery is a way of life. Smartest people, and you have recycle leadership, Papa chop remain for pikin and the pikin go chop remain for his pikin on the detriment of the whole 167million people, what a country? Please when next you mention Nigeria dont put the word smart cos they are not in the real sense of it. As for the MUMU it is your fellow Nigerian man that established the word..... ask Lagbaja he will explain better! Please I want to watch my friend Adeola on Sahara TV, cut your pen chikena!

maryam8080: Answer these questions:
1. If you are a Muslim probably because you are born into a Muslim family right?
2. Do you consider the fact that you never gave ALLAh the option to create you and place you in a particular family. Therefore you are born into a Muslim family is a privilege not a right.
3. Do you now condemn others who are not "privileged or fortunate" like you?
4. In that case you came to meet the religion you now belong not the reverse?
5. Have you ever thought about the faith/fate of others who are not born Muslims
6. Do you believe that if people like you can live out what the Holy Koran teaches these other people can become Muslims with easy?
7. For the fact that they didn't create themselves do you now blame them and what is your work towards them... Is it to portray yourself better than them and make them look like lesser mortals?
My dear, you have to think and not just think straight but in a broaden manner.