Ijebus are yorubad people and by implication, dunderheads!

They are not Jebusites

Interesting topic...

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PAGAN 9JA:
[size=28pt]ARE IGBOS JEWS?

ARE KANURIS IRAQIS?

ARE YORUBAS SAUDIS?

ARE HAUSAS PERSIANS?

LIE LIE LIE[/size]

Na waao

The Jebusites built the biblical City of JEBUS before they were evicted. The name of the city was changed after their depature to JERUSALEM.

Ijebu re wa... btw, jebusites sounds like 'parasites'.

Omo Ijebu ni mi o, swagger

History? Everyone has got theirs. There are coins and representations of Hannibal all over the net - each one with a colour and look that fits the writer's perception or agenda.

shymexx: Well, you don't need anyone to tell you that based on the timeline in which the Jebusites lived in the present-day Palestine. And at that point in history, there was no Arab ethnicity and Middle East was part of Africa.

what a load of bs.

Middle East was part of Africa?

THere were no Arabs?

*smh

PAGAN 9JA:



HANNIBAL WAS A BERBER!

NOT A NEGRO!

Actually he wasn't Berber. The Berbers were the indigenous North Africans who Hannibal's Phoenician ancestors met when they arrived....

But yea, I don't think he was a Negro. Some Carthaginian coins had Negro faces engraved on them. Carthaginians traded across the Sahara with Negro peoples. And there were Negroes in the Carthaginian army. So I wouldn't say it's surprising if a Negro face ended up on Carthaginian coinage.

I have seen sculptures and murals which were positively identified as such North Africans as Hannibal, Juba I, Juba II, Septimius Severus II, Massanissa etc. and I don't think the racial features of North Africans, and Middle Easterners have significantly altered in the last 5,000 years. Except maybe for Egypt, where a deliberate policy to control population movement from inner Africa (while Asiatics and other Mediterraneans continued to pour into the country) may have led to a kind of 'whitening' of the general Egyptian population.

There were darker skinned people in parts of Western Asia in the past. But these dark peoples were closer to Australoids than to Negroes.

I would say that the highest geographical line below which Black Africans should look for their origin is the Sahara Desert (from Southern Algeria to around Timbuktu). It is here that the oldest skulls which belong to anatomically modern Negroes have been found.

^

true.

Na so them talk say Igbos na Hebrews

Every ish now makes front page..smh!!...Anyways, was just passing by

Queen of Sheeba is buried in Ijebu and it is a UNESCO heritage site.

Just FYI

Juan_De_Dios: History? Everyone has got theirs. There are coins and representations of Hannibal all over the net - each one with a colour and look that fits the writer's perception or agenda.

True. This bust of Hannibal shows him as being Caucasoid. Now depending on which theory one believes, one would either call it a 'Eurocentric forgery' or call the coin an 'Afrocentric misassignment'.

Radoillo:

True. This bust of Hannibal shows him as being Caucasoid. Now depending on which theory one believes, one would either call it a 'Eurocentric forgery' or call the coin an 'Afrocentric misassignment'.

hes neither European, nor African.

He is Semitic.

People need to stop succumbing to this racism perpetuated especially by white americans and black african-americans, which is gradually spreading onto us.

PAGAN 9JA:


hes neither European, nor African.

He is Semitic.

People need to stop succumbing to this racism perpetuated especially by white americans and black african-americans, which is gradually spreading onto us.

That's my position too. Being born and raised n African soil, though I would say he was African. There are probably still some North Africans in Algeria and Tunisia who share his Punic genes.

Anyway, these other North Africans lived within two hundred years of each other (same as Hannibal), and they weren't portrayed in their time as 'Negroid'. Juba I and Juba II, Kings of a North African KIngdom...and Septimius Severus (part-Phoenician, part-Berber) who became the Emperor of Rome

HISTORY OR STORY... Why can't we just embrace and appreciate wea we find ourselves now and move on with it... HISTORY IS FULL OF MYTH AND LIES... We cant change many things abt it... Hausa dnt have meaning, yoruba dnt have meaning, Igala means bla bla... All in the name of history, Waste of Time...
Am Yoruba dats all i know, I dnt care about wat Yoruba mean tele tele... Am sick of Arab migrate from Nigeria, swahili migrate from china when they can't go back dia to claim back dia land... LETS MAKE WISE USE OF HISTORY AND AVOID C0NFUSING OURSELVES

shymexx: Well, you don't need anyone to tell you that based on the timeline in which the Jebusites lived in the present-day Palestine. And at that point in history, there was no Arab ethnicity and Middle East was part of Africa.

True. I always thought those biblical 'Jebusites' could well be the ancient Ijebu people prior to their southward migration. Arabs are a very recent hybrid race of the ancient Persians and Babylonians mixed with Africans and some Europeans.

scribble: Queen of Sheeba is buried in Ijebu and it is a UNESCO heritage site.

Just FYI

I'm curious about something.... Was the kingdom of Sheba in Ijebuland, or was the queen taken to Ijebuland for burial after her death?

What about archaeological dates? Do the dates from the Ijebu findings match the historical age the Queen of Sheba lived in (circa 900BC)?

Radoillo:

That's my position too. Being born and raised n African soil, though I would say he was African. There are probably still some North Africans in Algeria and Tunisia who share his Punic genes.

Anyway, these other North Africans lived within two hundred years of each other (same as Hannibal), and they weren't portrayed in their time as 'Negroid'. Juba I and Juba II, Kings of a North African KIngdom...and Septimius Severus (part-Phoenician, part-Berber) who became the Emperor of Rome

YEs True. I would say he is African too.

Africa doesn not mean black.

Africa is just a piece of land. a continent.

PAGAN 9JA:


hes neither European, nor African.

He is Semitic.

People need to stop succumbing to this racism perpetuated especially by white americans and black african-americans, which is gradually spreading onto us.

Right.

obadiah777: ijebus are from the tribe of yehudah in israel

Delusion at it PEAK!

Radoillo:

I'm curious about something.... Was the kingdom of Sheba in Ijebuland, or was the queen taken to Ijebuland for burial after her death?

It was more likely the kingdom WAS Ijebu land. As a powerful potentate, she could only have been buried in her homeland.

Also: Note the linguistic similarity: 'Sheba' and Ijebu'. Essentially the same word pronounced differently.

The queen's name was Bilikisu Sungbo...... The old testament and later Arab records refer to her as ''Bilqis''.

IJEBU ORIGIN & HISTORY

THE Ijebu People inhabit the South-Central part of Yoruba land - a territory that is bounded in the North by Ibadan, in the East by Ondo, Okitipupa and the West by Egbaland. The Southern fringe is open to the sea with the coastlines of Epe, Ejinrin and Ikorodu. Despite the political division which has these three towns in Lagos while the main part of Ijebuland is Ogun State, the people have always regarded themselves as one entity even when the immigration ¬legends which have often been cited point in dif¬ferent directions.
There are immigration legends which tend to link the Ijebu with the biblical Jebusites and Noah (hence Omoluwabi -- omo ti Noah bi -- the children of Noah) but these are farfetched. Other immigration legends trace the origin of Yoruba people, and by implication, the Ijebu to Mecca where Oduduwa, the legendary ancestor of the Yoruba, was said to be the son of King Lamurudu. Oduduwa, according to the legend, had to be expelled from Mecca when he resorted to idolatry. This is another unacceptable story in that it implied that the Yoruba must have come into existence as a group after faithful Muslims expelled Oduduwa some 1,500 years ago.

Ijebu traditional historians tend to stick to the migra¬tion legend that the people migrated to their present territory from a region of Sudan called Waddai which means that the Ijebu had a parallel migration wave just like other Yoruba who believe they came to their present abode via Oduduwa. That claim seems to be corroborated by a publication by one Hailemariam which states that "the most powerful people that the Negede Orit (ancient Ethiopian immigrant into Africa) met in East Africa were the Jebus." Their King was claimed to be so influential that he appointed the gover¬nors of Yemen. If that king was the same Olu-Iwa, the legendary first Ruler of Ijebuland, we do not know.
There is a lot of evidence in support of the fact that the Ijebus migrated into Nigeria from Sudan. The most ob¬vious is the Sudanese tribal mark which, though varied, is duplicated all over Yoruba land. In particular, the three ver¬tical marks on both cheeks are the national marks in Ijebu. Moreover, in the border between South Sudan and Ethiopia, the original language which Arabic language has super-seded is very similar to Ijebu dialect. Names of people such as Saba, Esiwu, Meleki (corruption of Menelik) and many others are still common in Ijebu and the South of Sudan. A kind of flute which was formerly used during the coronation ceremony of the Awujale is still used in Ethio¬pia and South of Sudan. In the second place, the passage quoted from 'Ethiopian History' by Hailemariam at the beginning of this essay shows that Negede Orit which entered Ethiopia several cen-turies before King Solomon and the famous Makida, Queen of Sheba (about 900 B.C.) met the Ijebus on the east Coast of Southern Sudan.

The ancestors of the Ijebus who now inhabit Ijebu-Ode and districts came into Nigeria from the ancient Kingdom of Owodaiye of Ethiopia which came to an end as a result of Arab supremacy in Middle East and the Sudan where Owodaiye was situated. The Kingdom of Owodaiye was bounded in the North by Nubia; in the East by Tigre and the Kingdom of Axum; in the West there was no clear boundary, while along its South-Eastern border, it was bounded by the land of Punt. With these people the Ijebus share their culture and religion. With the Tigrians and ancient Axumites the Ijebus share their tribal marks which are made up of three vertical marks on the cheeks while with the Egyptians, the Nubians and Puntite people, the Ijebu share many of their funeral rites, the Agemo cult and the Erikiran.
The Yorubas in Nubia were the nearest people to the Ijebus in Owo aiye. Even the Ijebus differ from the Yoruba in many respects. For example, while the main Yoruba group practice circumcision on both male and female members of the family, the Ijebus never practice it on the female members; the Yorubas used to bore the lower part of the ear in both male and female while the male never bore in Ijebu.
The first major wave of Sudanese that entered Nigeria was led by Iwase who came to Ife several centu¬ries before the major Sudanese immigrations under Oduduwa and Olu-Iwa. The Iwase group of immigrants came during the reign of Esumare of Ife Erinrin. The next groups of Sudanese immigrants were the Ijebus and the kindred peoples under Olu-Iwa, who entered the country at about the same time as the Yoruba under Oduduwa. There are many reasons to believe that they arrived before the main Yoruba group. The most important reason was stated in a Yoruba tradition that when Oduduwa was alive, he became partially blind and went to consult Agbonniregun, an Ife Priest, with a view to finding out what he must apply to his eyes to regain his sight. Agbonniregun recommended brine and so Oduduwa had to send one of his sons, Obokun, to the sea to bring him sea water. The latter wandered for many years in vain until he came to the King of Ijebu for help. This king sent a messenger to guide him to the sea and on Obokun's re¬turn to Ijebu, the King of the ljebus (Lewu Legusen) gave Obokun medicines for Oduduwa's eyes. And when Oduduwa applied the brine and the medicine, he regained his sight. The above tradition shows that the ljebus were in Nigeria before the main Yoruba stock because the king of Ijebu referred to was the fifth Awujale. In appreciation of this service, Oduduwa determined to visit the King of Ijebu, but he died about fifteen miles east of Ijebu-Ode. His followers settled down at Idofe, a town which has now become extinct.

The Ijebu legend tracing their origin to Waddai must have brought the known rivalry between them and other Yoruba people. If, indeed, Lamurudu and Oduduwa de¬scended from Omu, the younger brother of Olu-Iwa, there is some sense in the claim that the Ijebus are senior to other Yorubas and cannot, therefore, accept the junior position that put them under the Ooni of Ife or Alafin of Oyo.
The bulk of Yoruba people regard the ljebus as peripheral Yoruba while the ljebus themselves do not hide the fact that the cohesion between them and others who call themselves central Yoruba has been the result of cultural and political interaction over the centuries. Time itself has taken care of these legends as the various groups of people in Western Nigeria have come to accept a common Nationality as Yoruba, be they Ekiti, Ijesha, Egba, Ondo, Ijebu, etc.. Even among the Ijebus, there are conflicting claims to the source of origin depending on the political intention of those concerned. Irrespective of these claims, the Ijebus are united under the leadership of the Awujale of Ijebuland and this unity is the strength of the people as exhibited by their achievements in the past 48 years of the reign of Oba Sikiru Adetona, Ogbagba II.


DEITIES IN IJEBU

AGEMO
Foremost among the deities in Ijebu is the Agemo which is jointly celebrated by Ijebu communities in June/July of every year. The Agemo is a ral¬lying factor among the communities that make up Ijebu state. It is believed that the idea was initiated by the Obanta himself as an annual assembly of his priests (Alagemos) at Imosan to curb an unusual in¬cidence of recalcitrance during the dispersal of town-ships. He was said to have summoned the Agemo priests from 16 different locations to Ijebu-Ode for heart-to-heart (frank) discussion.
The Obanta prepared well for his visitors whom he feted and had. Discussion (oro awo) with. These priests too, as it was normal with them, came with their instruments of power (and defense). And to prevent a possible attack on the people, Obanta made the meeting more business-like so that none of their powers could filter to the people.
The Agemos (in the order of dancing at Agbala Imosan & Ijebu Ode) are:
Tami (Odogbolu), Olumoro (Imoro), Serefusi (Igbile), Posa (Imosan), Moko (Okun), Alofe (Ijesa-Ijebu), Onugbo (Okenugbo), Iju (Imosan), Lapen (Oru), Magodo (Aiyepe), Bajelu (Imuku), Lubamisan (Ago-lwoye), Petu (Isiwo), Ogegbo (Ibonwon), ldobi (Ago-Iwoye), Nopa (Imushin).
Other fetish Agemo Priests that do not per¬form dancing rites are:
Onijagbori (Imosan), Adie (Ago-Iwoye), Ogi (Idogi, Ijebu-Ode).

The Agemo festival has since followed the format with people celebrating it with pomp and pag¬eantry. The Alagemos usually follow a permanent festival route during which women are compelled to stay indoors. The Awujale is the one that now re¬ceives the Alagemos through their head (Tami) whom he (Awujale will receive at Ipebi before the usual "e e ke e e" is chanted to signify the arrival of the other Alagemos.

ORO
Oro festival is also common to Ijebus where it is used to cleanse the communities of bad omen. It usually comes up before the Agemo festival as a strat¬egy of preparing ground for the Alagemos to ensure that the communities have been rid of evil spirit as well as epidemics. It is believed that communities are safe after Oro festival (Igbalu) and so "Eiye a ke bi eiye and Eran a ke bi eran.” Women are not allowed to witness Oro worship which is usually a seven day program. In Ijebu-Ode, the Oro comes out in the night when women must not only stay in-doors, but must equally not attempt to peep at all, while in some Ijebu villages women are kept in-doors throughout the day.

EBI (Obinrin Ojowu)
Also celebrated is the Obinrin ojowu (Ebi) which usually falls between February and March of every year (beginning of planting season). The Olowu is priest of Obinrin Ojowu who directs the rites and takes responsibility for its worship. Before the Obinrin Ojowu celebration, the Olowu would have had to consult with the Awujale and secure his consent on three different occasions. He will then pass death sentence on dogs that have no palm fronds around their necks. The Iroko tree at Odo-Esa is very important to Obinrin Ojowu festival as some rites are performed under it and a dog is usually killed and hung on it throughout the year. Also associated with the festival is the Woro carnival (which usually takes people round the community) and the practice of youths testing night and level of endurance with cane competition. They engage themselves (in twos and beat each other until one gives up (by hanging his cane).

LEGURU
The month of August is usually devoted to the worship of Leguru (although this is no longer popular) in remembrance of the bravery of the Onisemu Leguru, who volunteered to sacrifice self to save Ijebu Ode from being taken over by the lagoon which then occupied some areas in the town.

Unconfirmed reports have it that the town was then faced with the threat of the Lagoon taking over the whole place, and as was predicated, the town would only become a port (not habitable as it is presently). The man, it was said, was a foremost priest who decided to brave the sacrifice when Ifa talked about the grave implication of retaining the water in the town. Reports have it that Leguru himself performed the divination and was then not prepared to change or twist the facts as revealed by Ifa that he (Leguru) was the one that could save the town by sacrificing himself. People still claim to hear him perform divination (under water) around a portion of the Lagoon at Epe.

ROSSIKE:

It was more likely the kingdom WAS Ijebu land. As a powerful potentate, she could only have been buried in her homeland.

Also: Note the linguistic similarity: 'Sheba' and Ijebu'. Essentially the same word pronounced differently.

Hmmm. On a light note sha, if I was the ruler of a kingdom in the Nigerian rainforest, and I was paying the king of a Middle Eastern state a visit, I don't think my gifts to him would be 'gold and spices and precious stones.' More likely, I would present him gifts of 'ivory, kolanuts, leopardskin, etc'.

#Just saying.

ROSSIKE:



The queen's name was Bilikisu Sungbo...... The old testament and later Arab records refer to her as ''Bilqis''.

Actually, her name is mentioned nowhere in the Old Testament. Maybe, in Arab records, I dunno.

But I should perhaps just say that the old Kings of Ethiopia claimed descent from her, and their documents say her name was Makeeda.

PS: Are there any dates associated with Sungbo's eredo? Do archaeologists and historians know when it was constructed?

Are Nairalanders Marsians [i.e from Mars]?

Radoillo:

Hmmm. On a light note sha, if I was the ruler of a kingdom in the Nigerian rainforest, and I was paying the king of a Middle Eastern state a visit, I don't think my gifts to him would be 'gold and spices and precious stones.' More likely, I would present him gifts of 'ivory, kolanuts, leopardskin, etc'.

#Just saying.

LOL!

its all hogwash.

(dont forget palm oil and Garii )

Radoillo:

Hmmm. On a light note sha, if I was the ruler of a kingdom in the Nigerian rainforest, and I was paying the king of a Middle Eastern state a visit, I don't think my gifts to him would be 'gold and spices and precious stones.' More likely, I would present him gifts of 'ivory, kolanuts, leopardskin, etc'.

#Just saying.

Ijebu has gold deposits.

ROSSIKE:

Ijebu has gold deposits.

In commercial quantity? Mined from ancient times? Were the Awujale and his royal retinue of old decked out in gold? Were there enough gold in the land for an Ijebu queen to hand out a gift of 14 metric tons of gold?

ROSSIKE:

Ijebu has gold deposits.

I see? and also spices and precious jewels is it.


In my opinion , the Queen of Sheba was not even from Ethiopia, but from Yemen.


Even the Yemenis have a claim over her.

tomakint: IJEBU ORIGIN & HISTORY

THE Ijebu People inhabit the South-Central part of Yoruba land - a territory that is bounded in the North by Ibadan, in the East by Ondo, Okitipupa and the West by Egbaland. . . .

Please source your post. Unless you, tomakint, published a book.