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Re: Should Men Of God Have Bodyguards? by Nobody: 10:17am On Dec 15, 2013
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This picture of Pastor Chris Okotie ministering in a church with four mean-looking guards got me wondering if Christianity has not been taken to another level. Is it really necessary to have bodyguards all around our Men of God?

Pastor Chris was in the news lately for statements he made regarding all Catholics going to hell (read here).

The question is should Men of God have bodyguards? Why is it prevalent in Christianity?

Have your say....

http://www.infonubia.com/2013/12/question-of-day-should-men-of-god-have.html

I'm sure Yahweh also have bodyguards so that when he decides to throw Christians into hellfire,they wont slap him.

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Re: Should Men Of God Have Bodyguards? by Eberex(m): 10:19am On Dec 15, 2013
Gombs:

Mr Reyginus, the next question is for N5million ....You have 50 50, phone Kunle, or ask the audience.

Why was Peter carrying a sword when Jesus was to be arrested?

(A) because he wss a butcher
(B) he was an agbero
(C) he was a thief
(D) he was carrying it as a body guard

Goodluck

that dosent make him him a bodyguard. A bodyguar is someone who is paid to protect. Tell me how Peter fall into that caregory?
Re: Should Men Of God Have Bodyguards? by Dannylux: 10:21am On Dec 15, 2013
quivah:
Or he knows but just pretend not to!..

Please don't mind gombs

I guess I will do just that.
Re: Should Men Of God Have Bodyguards? by jnrbayano(m): 10:23am On Dec 15, 2013
Oyinprince: They wer not called body guards, my point is they kindof acted lyk dat

"They kind of acted like that", who told you that? Where did you read that from? Or is it what Chris told you? Smh!!

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Re: Should Men Of God Have Bodyguards? by mwenemutapa: 10:26am On Dec 15, 2013
all these activities na packaging. no time to check time. most of us commenting here at one time or the other do lack faith in the MOST HIGH and this is just an example of it and it is coming from a renowned MOG who is suppose to be the shepherd of his flock. what do i know kidnapping is on the rise, so he might chose to protect himself physically and the MOST HIGH should take care of the spiritual side.
Re: Should Men Of God Have Bodyguards? by Eberex(m): 10:26am On Dec 15, 2013
Gombs:

You either choose an option or just roll over. Thank for your time tho.. let me ask another question

Ms quivah, the next question is for 10million naira, you have 50 50, phone frosbel or ask the audience.

Why was Peter, James and John with Jesus almost ALL the time?

(A) they were the smartest (na dem go school pass)
(B) they were the holiest (them no be like mattew that ws once a tax collector)
(C) they were the coolest disciples to b with (they had swag n were so cute)
(D) they could pray harder than the rest (emm, na dem sleep pass for the garden sha, but lets overlook that one)
(E) they were guarding him (they were ex fisher men ho were obviously Muscular)

Goodluck.

i can see you are completely deluded. Peter james and john are not acting as bodyguards. Its a common phenomenom even in our time that among your students there are those you consider favourites (i dont think you will know this since you never taught). These ones are eager to learn or fond of Jesus. Bring more of your jamb questions!?
Re: Should Men Of God Have Bodyguards? by topmost120: 10:27am On Dec 15, 2013
Hw men of god should HV bodyguard ,oluwa ni oluso aguntan
Re: Should Men Of God Have Bodyguards? by Nobody: 10:34am On Dec 15, 2013
The rogues looting the church and milking the gullible dry, would do anything within their powers to protect their loots. And at the same time maintain the status quo. Yeye they smell.

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Re: Should Men Of God Have Bodyguards? by quivah(f): 10:40am On Dec 15, 2013
I smh for gombs!!!
Dude, peter wasn't bodyguarding Jesus.. he was there and felt the need to defend his master!
I used an analogy in my first post.. go check it out and tell me how that makes you a BG please!

Yeah! Jesus wasnt into politics but mind you,wasn't Jesus involved WITH the government of the time then?

Well I shouldn't be surprised,ain't mog really involved IN politics today?!

OK,if the BG is good to go to protect the body... who would protect the spiritual? Sango,esu?

Seriously u are joking!

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Re: Should Men Of God Have Bodyguards? by mancheeutd(m): 10:41am On Dec 15, 2013
GeneralShepherd:

And you feel anybody that questions christianity must be a muslim. Your brain is too polarised,ever heard of atheists?

Smell the coffee and realise that god and gods are human creations.

You must be very stwepid if you think everybody is insensitive as you are you stwepid gay.g FYI I wasn't addressing the issue to you can burn in hell for all I care you being an atheist is none of my business I was addressing alfa n he should please let PEACE reing we are tied of this religious bigotry.
Re: Should Men Of God Have Bodyguards? by Gombs(m): 10:46am On Dec 15, 2013
If the disciples were purely for a spiritual purpose, to spread the message of Jesus there is no reason why they shouldn't have been female disciples. No? Or u wanna say Jesus was discriminatory?


Peter once said to Jesus when Jesus said He was going to die.. Peter said not on his watch, not while he is alive... He was immediately rebuked by Jesus

Why did peter say that? We both know Peter didn't mean he was gonna die in Jesus' place. It points to the fact that Peter don tey wen him dey waka around with him sword. The man peter knows the jews had made attempts on Jesus' life.


Anyways, I guess my point is made, and no be by force for folks to accept it.


Happy thanksgiving y'all.

*unfollows thread
Re: Should Men Of God Have Bodyguards? by vheeky(m): 10:47am On Dec 15, 2013
U nid to get it right..The bible says wisdom is the principal thing.Men of God that are public figures nids escort kuz God won't kum down to protect them
Re: Should Men Of God Have Bodyguards? by Gombs(m): 10:51am On Dec 15, 2013
quivah: I smh for gombs!!!
Dude, peter wasn't bodyguarding Jesus.. he was there and felt the need to defend his master!
I used an analogy in my first post.. go check it out and tell me how that makes you a BG please!

Yeah! Jesus wasnt into politics [size=16pt] but mind you,wasn't Jesus involved WITH the government of the time then? [/size]

Well I shouldn't be surprised,ain't mog really involved IN politics today?!

OK,if the BG is good to go to protect the body... who would protect the spiritual? Sango,esu?

Seriously u are joking!

shocked shocked
CHaaaaaaaaaai
Jesus was involved with the Roman Government?.. Mo gbe o

grin grin
Re: Should Men Of God Have Bodyguards? by iGeneral: 10:53am On Dec 15, 2013
They will tell you the Apostle Peter was the bodyguard or Jesus. He sliced off the ear of one of his arrestors.
Re: Should Men Of God Have Bodyguards? by dexterinc2003: 10:54am On Dec 15, 2013
Times have changed....answer this questions OP....1.why do you use panadol when you have a headache(y don't u wait for your miracle) 2.why do u have high fences and burglar proofs in your house(is the lord not your sheperd) 3.why is it that ppl steal offerings from churches(is it that there is no God?)...listen ,wisdom is profitable 2 direct,we do not serve a foolish God,he gave u a brain,use it....having said dat,now u know why churches have security guards in churches(to stop boko haram)and bullet proofed vans convey offerings to the bank....PS;if you die stupidly as a man of God,u will still make heaven,and another person will continue ur calling....I rest my case.
Re: Should Men Of God Have Bodyguards? by Eberex(m): 11:00am On Dec 15, 2013
dexterinc2003: Times have changed....answer this questions OP....1.why do you use panadol when you have a headache(y don't u wait for your miracle) 2.why do u have high fences and burglar proofs in your house(is the lord not your sheperd) 3.why is it that ppl steal offerings from churches(is it that there is no God?)...listen ,wisdom is profitable 2 direct,we do not serve a foolish God,he gave u a brain,use it....having said dat,now u know why churches have security guards in churches(to stop boko haram)and bullet proofed vans convey offerings to the bank....PS;if you die stupidly as a man of God,u will still make heaven,and another person will continue ur calling....I rest my case.

you talk without imaginations. Imagine yourself sitting among the congregation and on this particular sunday instead of seeing your usual ushers, what you saw are bullet-proof vested mean looking hagard guys, all starring looking for any suspicious person. And you think you call that a normal scene? And yet your pastor would go on preaching as if all is well. If you are going to be protected why not contact interpol and let them guard you without the people even knowing! Haba! The least he could have done is let them wear mufti and sit among the congregation in strategic places. I wonder how his sermon would have d effect it to so desired with those gorilla looking faces!??

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Re: Should Men Of God Have Bodyguards? by vicoloni(m): 11:04am On Dec 15, 2013
Joagbaje:

Did Jesus do any evil to have enemies? Did paul do any evil to have assassins sent after him?

Why did Jesus escape being lynched by muderrers?

It's better to prevent evil than escaping evil . Do you know how many times paul suffered robbery? Security is common sense. The Lord is still our shepherd .

When Jesus got security information that assassins were out for him. He refused to go down to Judaea . Was that cowardness ? . It's common sense . The Lord is still our shepherd.

John 7:1
. . .for He would not travel in Judea because the Jews were seeking to kill Him
.


Epic Response!
Re: Should Men Of God Have Bodyguards? by lomprico(m): 11:06am On Dec 15, 2013
Gombs:

Mr Reyginus, the next question is for N5million ....You have 50 50, phone Kunle, or ask the audience.

Why was Peter carrying a sword when Jesus was to be arrested?

(A) because he wss a butcher
(B) he was an agbero
(C) he was a thief
(D) he was carrying it as a body guard

Goodluck

Poor Peter! See as this foool has degraded ur status as the rock of the church, favourite desciple to ordinary 'mai gardi'! All in d name of defending his thieving and fake pastors. There is nothing that people willl not do for money! Shm!

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Re: Should Men Of God Have Bodyguards? by Slipknot(m): 11:07am On Dec 15, 2013
Oyinprince: Its not wrong, the disciples kindof acted lyk Jesus' body guards too

Jesus didnt have bodyguards, he had disciples, followers and while King Herod had bodyguards. So its total wrong to have one, even when you claimed you are in God's house. And why compared Okotie wit Jesue? Is there any disciple of Jesus that the bible or even Qu'ran said has a Bodyguard? They all had followers.

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Re: Should Men Of God Have Bodyguards? by macof(m): 11:15am On Dec 15, 2013
Tru Mantra:

You make an excellent point based solely on the behavior of the folk that claim to be "men of God".
Still do not judge the master based on the folk that claim to follow him. In this case, you'd be dead wrong.

Pls shout up

these pastors and imams preach Gods of middle east and damn Gods of Africa

Yet they are the ones who need body guards and bullet proof vest, most even go to these Africa God to beg for protection and power to perform miracle.
Re: Should Men Of God Have Bodyguards? by macof(m): 11:15am On Dec 15, 2013
bishop4APC: If you still feel the presence of Almighty God in Africa, bro that's malaria feeling...God has long abandoned Africa but only sent his 2nd born *madiba* to south Africa for deliverance.. Our evil hearts are just too hot for God to lean on....There's no God in Africa but gods.

Such a slave u are

I know u are fool that thinks God comes from Israel
Re: Should Men Of God Have Bodyguards? by kevoh(m): 11:16am On Dec 15, 2013
Came across this article which to me explains better why the disciples who didn't carry swords at all but had sword on them the night Jesus christ was arrested. Take your time to read it
Luke 22:35-38 is often cited to challenge the Christian pacifist perspective. In this passage, Jesus instructed his disciples to buy swords, amongst other items.

Luke 22:35-38: Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” “Nothing,” they answered. He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. For it is written: ‘he was numbered with the transgressors’; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.” The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That is enough,” he replied.

First we must ask, why did Jesus want them to buy swords? It seems unlikely that Jesus’ instructions were intended to prepare his disciples for armed conflict and self defense, because two swords does not seem to be “enough,” as Jesus put it, to defend twelve men. In fact, in the passage itself Jesus explained the purpose for the swords. Jesus instructed his disciples to buy the swords, “for it is written: ‘he was numbered with the transgressors.’”

Here, Jesus referenced Isaiah 53:12, which contains one of the many Old Testament prophesies concerning the life of the Messiah. Jesus wanted the swords present when he was arrested, because the presence of the swords would indicate to those arresting him that he was one of the “transgressors,” that he was leading a violent rebellion. Jesus again referenced this while he was being arrested:


Matthew 26:55-56: At that time Jesus said to the crowd, “Am I leading a rebellion, that you have come out with swords and clubs to capture me? Every day I sat in the temple courts teaching, and you did not arrest me. But this has all taken place that the writings of the prophets might be fulfilled.”

In this passage, Jesus acknowledged that all this was taking place so “that the writings of the prophets might be fulfilled.”

The disciples did not understand this, and as Jesus was being arrested, Peter attempted to defend him by reaching for one of the swords, and striking the servant of the High Priest, cutting off his ear. Jesus miraculously healed the wound, and then rebuked Peter:

Matthew 26:52-53: “Put your sword back in its place… for all who take the sword will die by the sword. Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will provide me with more than twelve legions of angels?”

Peter’s actions could certainly be considered a just use of defensive violence. Jesus, an innocent man, was about to be given into the hands of an angry mob. Using one of the swords Jesus told him to buy, Peter attempted to rescue his friend. Jesus, however, rebuked Peter and rebuked this use of defensive violence. Later at his trial before Pilate, Jesus made a comment which explained his condemnation of Peter’s actions:

John 18:36: My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then my servants would fight…
If Jesus’ kingdom were of this world, his servants could use defensive violence when attacked. However, Jesus’ kingdom is not of this world.

Many argue that Jesus had to die on the cross, and this is why his disciples could not defend him. It must be noted, however, that the reason Jesus gave for not fighting was not that he had to die on the cross, but that his kingdom was not of this world. In contrast to the kingdoms of the world, Jesus’ servants do not fight; His kingdom is built around love and the love of enemies. Jesus specifically forbade Peter from using the sword, but his wording was universal:

Matthew 26:52: “Put your sword back in its place… for all who take the sword will die by the sword.”

This same denunciation of “the sword” is found in the book of Revelation, specifically applied to all followers of Christ:

Revelation 13:9-10: He who has an ear, let him hear… He who kills with the sword will be killed with the sword. This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints.

In this passage, the same comment Jesus made prohibiting the defense of himself is explicitly applied to all “who has an ear.” Indeed, refraining from using violent self-defense against an approaching enemy does require “patient endurance and faithfulness.”

Jesus’ followers appear to have gotten the message, because although Jesus told them to buy swords in Luke 22, we never again read of the disciples carrying swords or physically defending themselves. Acts 8:1 tells us that a “great persecution broke out against the church.” Throughout the rest of the book of Acts, and the rest of the New Testament in general, we read of Christians facing persecution from mobs, religious authorities, and governmental authorities. Most of the Apostles met a martyr’s death, but instead of using defensive violence, they showed love towards their enemies.

Acts 7:60: …“Lord, do not hold this sin against them!”…

Although faced with great persecution, the Apostles followed the lead of Jesus and Stephen, facing their enemies with love while rejecting the sword. Here are the Apostles in their own words:

Romans 12:14: Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse.

Romans 12:17-21: Do not repay anyone evil for evil… live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. On the contrary: “If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink…” Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

1 Thessalonians 5:9: God did not appoint us to wrath…

1 Thessalonians 5:15: Make sure that no one back evil for evil, but always pursue what is good both for yourselves and for all.

James 1:20: The wrath of man does not produce the righteousness of God.

1 Peter 3:9-11: Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult, but with blessing …turn from evil and do good; seek peace and pursue it.

Reference taken from holyspiritactivism.
Re: Should Men Of God Have Bodyguards? by lomprico(m): 11:20am On Dec 15, 2013
Gombs:

You either choose an option or just roll over. Thank for your time tho.. let me ask another question

Ms quivah, the next question is for 10million naira, you have 50 50, phone frosbel or ask the audience.

Why was Peter, James and John with Jesus almost ALL the time?

(A) they were the smartest (na dem go school pass)
(B) they were the holiest (them no be like mattew that ws once a tax collector)
(C) they were the coolest disciples to b with (they had swag n were so cute)
(D) they could pray harder than the rest (emm, na dem sleep pass for the garden sha, but lets overlook that one)
(E) they were guarding him (they were ex fisher men ho were obviously Muscular)

Goodluck.
Its a pity u asked a question that dosent have an answer. When Jesus called Peter, he said "come and I will make u fishers of men" he dint say come and be my bodyguards. Guy! I can rob a bank and use d bible to defend my act, dat dosent make my act right! It is wrong to surround urself with armed bodyguard inside d church as a pastor! Cos u r passing a message to ur congregation 'defend urself in any way u deem fit, charms included.

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Re: Should Men Of God Have Bodyguards? by fyneboi79(m): 11:20am On Dec 15, 2013
Oyinprince: theres notin wrong wit self defense(protection)
my friend go and sit down!!come on sit down! What do ‎u knowwhat are they protecting that d faith they preach can't protect
Nonsensical group of people and a whole gullible congregation.

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Re: Should Men Of God Have Bodyguards? by Boss13: 11:21am On Dec 15, 2013
Me I don't see a reason why they need or have security bodyguards. If they truly believe in what they preach about heaven being a beautiful place they should be more vulnerable to die so that they can rush off to the heaven of gold. But I believe they have created their own heaven on earth and are not in a hurry to die soon.

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Re: Should Men Of God Have Bodyguards? by Jerryjat(m): 11:40am On Dec 15, 2013
Yeah...

If they don't no the God they are serving... Or if they go arround making enemies and criticizing ordas...

I tink I'll advise them to get a fully kitted security detail...

Clawn..
Re: Should Men Of God Have Bodyguards? by Snoopywallace(m): 11:43am On Dec 15, 2013
Oyinprince: Its not wrong, the disciples kindof acted lyk Jesus' body guards too
people like you that always support evil,are the reason why there would never be a change...u are seeing a man who has many skeletons in his shirt pocket and u say it is right cos Jesus had disciples...can he perform just one single miracle like Jesus or his disciples?...did Jesus contest elections?

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Re: Should Men Of God Have Bodyguards? by dexterinc2003: 11:43am On Dec 15, 2013
Eberex:

you talk without imaginations. Imagine yourself sitting among the congregation and on this particular sunday instead of seeing your usual ushers, what you saw are bullet-proof vested mean looking hagard guys, all starring looking for any suspicious person. And you think you call that a normal scene? And yet your pastor would go on preaching as if all is well. If you are going to be protected why not contact interpol and let them guard you without the people even knowing! Haba! The least he could have done is let them wear mufti and sit among the congregation in strategic places. I wonder how his sermon would have d effect it to so desired with those gorilla looking faces!??
. My friend shattaaaaaap there.trying 2 explain things 2 ppl like you is a waste of time n space.'Mr Imagination',its seems your only link to reality are tv shows e.g 24.lol, imagine my bumbum.learner oshi,what makes u think he doesn't av all d petty points u listed in place,now that its obvious that u r 1 of the ppl that can't see beyond the four corners of a jpg picture and ur imagination clearly doesn't extend beyond your nose bridge,I'll suggest u go back and watch ur '24' tv show and try u conceal your mediocrity.
Re: Should Men Of God Have Bodyguards? by anonimi: 11:44am On Dec 15, 2013
If you know you serve an IMPOTENT god who cannot protect you from your MUMU congregation then you can have armed bodyguards.

Was this Chris Okotie not the same man who refused to pay the keyboardist of his church

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Re: Should Men Of God Have Bodyguards? by lomprico(m): 11:44am On Dec 15, 2013
blink182: Yes I support them having body guards, not armed but protocol officers to disperse crowds whenever they are in public to do something else and not to interact with the crowd. Not for fear of the unknown but from people who just want to touch, ask for prayers and chat with them whenever they see them. They are also humans and get tired.
Dude go n check d meaning of bodyguards in d dictionary, then come back and edit ur post!

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Re: Should Men Of God Have Bodyguards? by redsun(m): 11:49am On Dec 15, 2013
Okotie is nothing but a psychopath,just like all the preacher men/women in Nigeria. Their insatiable greed and selfishness tend to drive their ruthlessness of wanting to keep the people subdued mentally. And as long as the people remain mentally subdued,men like him will always be kings.

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Re: Should Men Of God Have Bodyguards? by Eberex(m): 11:49am On Dec 15, 2013
dexterinc2003: . My friend shattaaaaaap there.trying 2 explain things 2 ppl like you is a waste of time n space.'Mr Imagination',its seems your only link to reality are tv shows e.g 24.lol, imagine my bumbum.learner oshi

its not ur fault. U better face reality....or just shut your trap!

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