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| Re: Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi by PAGAN9JA(m): 2:34pm On Dec 23, 2013 |
azeezhy: One of the very few pastors whose moral voice is not drowned by the hum of a private jet. We have so many Babalawos, Dbias and Sarakis whose voices are not drowned by the hum of private jets. why do you still run after these false pastors and false religion? |
| Re: Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi by Arlex(m): 2:37pm On Dec 23, 2013 |
ochallo: I heard this on the radio and I was taken aback . Nigerian Christianity is really turning into something else, we act like Nigerians are the ones who are going to be in heaven alone, but there wold be a great surprise. Yes we don,t know exactly when Jesus was born but Christmas remains the greatest evangelism for christ.Recently I was with Indians who knew nothing about Christianity but they knew about Christmas and the love and joy it brings and wanted to share in it. The responsibility of Christians is to ensure that people don't forget the real meaning of Christmas.I expect u to think b4 posting anything on any public forum like this.can u pls quote any scripture dat backs dat bolded text? . .NB:m not a deeperlifer oh. |
| Re: Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi by kingsleyMbang(m): 2:37pm On Dec 23, 2013 |
  Chrismas celebration is unscriptural and True xtians should nt part take in it, after all neither Jesus nor his early disciples celebrated hs birth-day  Thank Jeh, ths is coming 4rm Deeper life Overseer and nt JW.  !D1 Like |
| Re: Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi by Iniotong(m): 2:38pm On Dec 23, 2013 |
This won't stop me from killing the chicken I bought 5 Likes |
| Re: Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi by Ddy(m): 2:38pm On Dec 23, 2013 |
tpacalipse: Me I know who I celebrate, and He is God. Your opinion ain't matter to me on this. So, shove the hell it! Who is God u celebrate? Check d meaning of God in dictioary. If u ar a christian that means u worship the God of isreal. Who is this God of Isreal,his name is YAWEH. We have many gods around. Call him by his name nt God. For me i worship YAWEH,JEHOVAH.I AM THAT I AM. Thats his name not God. Ask any isrealite the name of thier God he will tell u. i hope u have a god in ur place & pple worship it. So my dear dnt worship God bt worship YAWEH. tnx |
| Re: Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi by dabossman(m): 2:38pm On Dec 23, 2013 |
Elnino4ladies: Jesus christ neva instructed his disciples 2 celebrate chrismas..it is of pegan oringin..d bible does nt giv d date of christ birth...kumuyi is tryin rilly hard 2 emulate jehovah's witnesses.. Yet they have their main service on Sundays. Was it not the same Romans that substituted idol worship with Christmas that substituted Sun worship with Sunday services. I respect Pastor Kumuyi but truth be told, even his name is of pagan origin; "Ikumuyi" as is my pastor's name "Odukoya". Does that make them ungodly? 2 Likes |
| Re: Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi by Nobody: 2:38pm On Dec 23, 2013 |
JESUS WASN’T BORN ON CHRISTMAS DAY | madukovich's cogitations - http://madukovich./2013/12/22/jesus-wasnt-born-on-christmas-day/ |
| Re: Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi by ginaaskia4: 2:42pm On Dec 23, 2013 |
I agree with Pastor Kumuyi. Nobody know when christ was born. In many villages, during the celebration of christmas that is when they are involved in difference kinds of idol worship, dancing with their village masks, many people get drunk, some are poison etc. Just because of christmas. |
| Re: Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi by bolex04(m): 2:42pm On Dec 23, 2013 |
damibravo: Sadist!ur fada is a sadist...fool |
| Re: Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi by PAGAN9JA(m): 2:44pm On Dec 23, 2013 |
ginaaskia4: I agree with Pastor Kumuyi. Nobody know when christ was born. In many villages, during the celebration of christmas that is when they are involved in difference kinds of idol worship, dancing with their village masks, many people get drunk, some when poison etc. Just because of christmas. dont lie. what poison? |
| Re: Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi by Nobody: 2:44pm On Dec 23, 2013 |
God isnt concernd weda we celebrate xmas or zmas...as far is ure not bowin down to a graven image in ur room...hes only conernd with ur hearth even ur dressing doesnt affect him in anyway... |
| Re: Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi by Nobody: 2:44pm On Dec 23, 2013 |
xynerise: Jesus wasnt born in March. He was born in OctoberDid Jesus ask you to celeberate him? Have you finished doing everything he commanded to do? Talk about misplaced priority. No doubt christainity has lost christ unknown to them..! 1 Like |
| Re: Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi by KasaMary: 2:44pm On Dec 23, 2013 |
“Christmas is a Pagan Celebration” by: KasaMary On entering the Board Room for a presentation with a colleague, we were greeted by the subject of this article. A very articulate and energetic man was saying this to two colleagues who were trying to convince him that Christmas is not a pagan celebration. This man seemed to have more “facts” or rather knew how to present his position better than his colleagues. Being my superiors, I couldn’t join in the "debate". What I could not share with them, I share with you. Christmas is not a pagan celebration. It is the commemoration of the birth of Our Lord rather than the celebration of His birthday. The feast of Christmas, “the Mass of Christ”, used to be celebrated on January 6. (January 6 is now being celebrated as the Feast of the Epiphany of Our Lord. The Feast of Epiphany which originated in the Eastern Church in the Third Century is a three-fold commemoration of Our Lord’s manifestation among men: First to the gentiles, in the persons of the Magi (Matt 2:1-12), second at the time of his baptism in the river Jordan when His divinity was made manifest (Matt 3:13-17, Mk1:9-11, Lk 3:21-22), and lastly at the wedding feast in Cana where He turned water into wine at His Mother’s request (Jn 2:1-12). In the Eastern rite, the baptism in the Jordan was particularly stressed, whereas in our Latin rite the coming of the Magi is more prominent). Celebration of Christmas became distinct in the Roman Church at about 300AD and the date was December 25, but the Church in other states kept different days for a long time. Why was the date moved from January 6 to December 25 in Rome? Ancient Rome was a highly pagan empire with numerous gods and elaborate and “gluttonic” celebrations in their honour. December 25 was the day they celebrated the great Roman Solar Feast, Notalis Solis Invicti, (the birthday of the unconquerable sun-god), which the Roman Emperor Aurelian made compulsory throughout his empire in AD 274. It was one of their greatest celebrations with rituals and feasting everywhere. The Elders (Magisterium) of the growing but underground Church in Rome discovered to their dismay that most new converts still joined in this stupendous celebration, to eat and wine and enjoy themselves. So the Magisterium met, discussed and prayed ernestly about this trend. At the end, they and the Holy Spirit (Whom Christ has promised that He will be with the Church to guard, guide, inspire and help her to the end of time (Jn 14:16-17; 16:12-15)) decided (Acts 15:28) to move the Feast of Christmas to December 25th to supplant the pagan feast since Christ is the true “Light of the world” (Jn 8:12). They did this so that as the pagans celebrated theirs, the Christians in the catacombs commemorated the birth of the Messiah and as such would have no reason to join in the pagan celebrations. St. John Chrysostom, Bishop of Constantinople from 397 till he died in exile in 404AD wrote and said: Who indeed is so unconquerable as our Lord? He is the Sun of Justice. So December 25 became the day to commemorate the birth of our Lord till tomorrow. Does the supplanting of the pagan feast with Christmas make the feast of Christ’s birth (Christmas) a pagan celebration? Does the conquering of evil with good necessarily make the conqueror evil? Are we not urged in the Scripture to conquer evil with good (Rom 12:21)? On Christmas day, do we offer sacrifices to the non-existent ancient Roman sun-god or do we worship the Omnipotent God of the sun? Most Churches in the Eastern part of Nigeria are built on what used to be village shrines dedicated to certain gods; does this make worshipers in such church worshippers of the "overthrown" gods? No! Christmas is not a pagan celebration but indeed the celebration of the conquering of evil and evil practices with the Divine and divine practices. That is what and why Christ came for: to supplant evil with good. The conquering has not only been in ancient Rome alone, but in most countries, towns and villages where Catholicism has triumphantly entered. And this conquering should also be the same in our individual lives. The gods of sexual revolution (fornication, adultery, masturbation, pornography) and materialism, the gods of gossip and lying, the gods of bribery and corruption, pride, jealousy, laziness, abortion, etc, must be conquered and burnt up by the Sun of Justice and supplanted with love for God and the godly. This is the bold statement the Church made by that singular decision. If the ancient Roman feast had subsisted and upheld by the Church, then the protestations would have been weightier. The argument is completely hollow, so long as that evil has been forever supplanted! "Is it in the Bible?" Yes, the divine birth of Our Lord is in the Bible (Mtt1:18-25, Lk 2:1-7). What may not be explicitly stated in the Scripture is the date. And so what is the problem with that? Christ, "coming" from a humble and non-royal background, no one may have recorded the date of His divine birth. But the Church, in her wisdom and in union with the ever alive, present and active Holy Spirit have given us a date since the Third Century. And about the 19th and 20th centuries, about 1,600 (!!!) years after, people are still disputing it! (Read Gal 1:8, and be wise). The date should not bother us. Let the true celebration bother us, after all Christ lives timelessly. Even as we bother more about the true celebration of Christmas, let us realize that we still live in a timed world. A world where there is time for everything under the sun (Ecc 3:1-  . And so, for the commemoration of the birth of Christ under the sun, His followers have chosen a date: formerly it was January 6, but now December 25 and they call it Christmas (Christ Mass or the Mass of Christ).8 Likes |
| Re: Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi by ginaaskia4: 2:47pm On Dec 23, 2013 |
I agree with u. Imaging dis their carnival in PH, a guy was stab, at the end he couldn't fight for his life. All because of Christmas. |
| Re: Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi by obeski13(m): 2:49pm On Dec 23, 2013 |
Everybody is entitled to what he or she believes.as far as am concerned,nothing is idolatory abt chrismas..d essence of chrismas is to appreciate Jesus d messiah..even though d day he was born was not important,what is being celeberated is not d day per se.but d significance and role he is to play,he has played and he is playing in mankinds's life.whether he was born in Dec or oct is not d issue..idolatiory is more of ones mind .since d purpose of celeberating chrismas is to appreciate God and Jesus for giving us a messiah,a redeemer, i dont see anything idolatory there. 4 Likes |
| Re: Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi by sarutobie(m): 2:54pm On Dec 23, 2013 |
The reason why apostle paul emphasized that we should be wary of people who lay so much importance on things like the sabbath day,cirumscision and 'unclean animals'.. 1---About 'unclean foods'-1st corinthian 8:4-13 "so this is what I say about eating meat sacrificed to idols: We know that an idol is really NOTHING in the world,and we know there is only one God.6.All things came from him,and we live for him.And there is only one Lord-Jesus Christ.All things were made through him,and we also were made through him"..you can read from here to verse 13 to understand more about what Paul said. 2--about the sabbath day-Read the Acts 15:24-25 3.--About circumcision-Galatians 5:8 " for in Christ Jesus,neither circumcision nor uncircumcision availeth anything but faith working through love" ..Let me add,the devil is a perverter of the things of God,people say the days were named according to pagan religions(this might be true) but was the earth,sun and stars the creation of the devil? NO.so why focus on the beliefs and doctrines of pagans? Believers should be the light of the world,bringing light to the darkness in the world and not the other way round..shalom. 1 Like |
| Re: Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi by Nobody: 2:55pm On Dec 23, 2013 |
Lilimax: I've heard it several timesHow will you be able to rationally indulge in this idolaterous celeberation if you did not first give yourself a reason to do so like you've just done. Now you are free to go ahead in deceiving yourself ma! I shudder at what people calls logic most times! |
| Re: Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi by Nobody: 2:57pm On Dec 23, 2013 |
kinethic: This is not about Kumiyi or not. Lets be reasonable if you are a Christian and a bible believer , a doer of word of God u would understand that Christ encouraged us remember only his death not birth. The problem is there are a lot of human and ancient traditions mixed in all these.God bless you. 3 Likes |
| Re: Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi by dabossman(m): 3:00pm On Dec 23, 2013 |
ginaaskia4: I agree with Pastor Kumuyi. Nobody know when christ was born. In many villages, during the celebration of christmas that is when they are involved in difference kinds of idol worship, dancing with their village masks, many people get drunk, some are poison etc. Just because of christmas. And they don't get involved in these activities during Easter, weddings, baby naming ceremonies, house-warmings and so on. Should we stop celebrating Easter too? Many people go to enjoy themselves at the beach, easter concerts, clubs and beer parlours. Shall we then erase the death of Christ from our memories too? 2 Likes |
| Re: Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi by paparazzi1987(m): 3:05pm On Dec 23, 2013 |
Lilimax: I've heard it several timesWe should also give thanks to Judas for betraying Christ, cos if judas did not betray Christ cruxification will not take place |
| Re: Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi by Nobody: 3:11pm On Dec 23, 2013 |
[quote author=honey001] http://www.punchng.com/news/christmas-is-idolatrous-kumuyi/[/quote Kumuyi should preach it to his congregation.. |
| Re: Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi by Demainman1: 3:14pm On Dec 23, 2013 |
unmask: kumuyi is not asking to be a somebody in the scheme of things....... He is simply stating what his research told him..... Just as God's children have disobeyed him severally, would you say he too is a bad father? Go and tell him that his research is rubbish, He should move back to Nigeria and practice his christianity and not to live in england among unbeliever and enjoy all the trappings of unbelief. Does he not know that the rulers of england are Freemasons, Is Freemason in his bible? Is SUNDAY mentioned anyway in his Bible? Why does he go to worship this his Christian God on a SUN god day? Or has he not conducted research for that one? I have said it before. "Nigeria Christianity is a Natural disaster!!" 1 Like |
| Re: Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi by Richy4(m): 3:18pm On Dec 23, 2013 |
God!!! I love Christmas. The spirit of Giving and pure human love. Period people empty their bank account to donate to the less privileged ones and people that are finding it tough. period where motherless kids are remembered and cared for. period when your annoying boss will buy chocolate and distribute to the whole office. If all these; is the definition of idolatry. I think it is a good thing. 4 Likes |
| Re: Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi by shejane: 3:19pm On Dec 23, 2013 |
God help us Ders nuffn wrong in setting a day aside 2 celebrate d birth of Jesus even when we dot kw d exact date My thought 1 Like |
| Re: Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi by Evergreat2014(m): 3:21pm On Dec 23, 2013 |
Victoriousvic: Abeg, what are they practicing? Religion or bondage? Are u serious? I guess not. |
| Re: Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi by orvik(m): 3:22pm On Dec 23, 2013 |
For those of you who are saying that the bible does not tell us to celebrate Jesus' birth, remember that the angels celebrated his birth and the three wise men presented different gifts to Jesus at his birth. So, i believe it is something worth celebrating because the king of kings had been born. Then as for the date thing, december 25th is a day like any other daty and christians all over the world have adopted this day to celebrate the birth of jesus christ. The date is not what is important to the christian but that jesus birth is being celebrated as the angels did. Anybody can choose to do anything on that day. The pagan can choose to worship whatever they like on that day, Pastor kumuyi can choose to do his retreat on that day but i and other christians the world over choose to celebrate the birth of our lord and saviour Jesus christ on that day. Wishing you all a Merry and wonderful christmas. 8 Likes |
| Re: Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi by abbakacici: 3:24pm On Dec 23, 2013 |
Kamsy10: 1 Like |
| Re: Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi by solomon111(m): 3:24pm On Dec 23, 2013 |
Demain_man:when did kumuyi start living in England? Btw,i don't think the truth of the gospel can change based on the geographical location. 2 Likes |
| Re: Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi by adegwurulez(m): 3:24pm On Dec 23, 2013 |
Cant really say if christmas celebration is right or wrong but one thing i know for sure is that some of these carols are crap. Imagine listening to the wordings of one the other day and discovered a kid was actually singing "I saw mummy kissing santa claus" for christ sake, what has that got to do with the birth of Jesus christ? This days people are celebrating santa instead of Jesus 1 Like |
| Re: Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi by Nobody: 3:28pm On Dec 23, 2013 |
xynerise: Jesus wasnt born in March. He was born in OctoberI told my fiancee as well that Jesus was born on October and she said it is because October was my birth month. I dont see anything wrong in cellebrating Christ birth as well as Christmas carol.Just do what your mind does not condemn you doing. But for me,Christmas is worth cellebrating. |
| Re: Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi by Janetozi(f): 3:28pm On Dec 23, 2013 |
Christmas! Christmas!! Christmas!!! What is wrong celebrating the birthday of Jesus? After all, there are incidence in the bible where birthday are celebrated for example (1) pharaoh, the Egyptian celebrated his birthday by executing his chief baker (genesis 40: 1-23) (2) herod, the tetrach reluctantly ordered the beheading of John the baptise on his birthday (matt 14:3-11) (3) Job seven sons "went & feast in their houses, every one his day; and sent & call for their three sisters to eat & drink with them; during the celebration, God allowed Satan to kill ten of job's children (Job 1:4) we can't deny the fact that there are much more incidence of evil happening in Christmas season than other season raging from ritual killing, road accidents and some minor accidents that can either kill or render people incapacitated, for example about 2 yrs ago a young boy of 14 lost his right hand through banger. Could it be that all these are happening bcoz some blood sucking idols somewhere are indirectly celebrated this season? Well i am not saying that Christmas celebration is bad anyway, but let ask ourselves one question, if Christmas is ment to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ, why not call it "Christbirth" instead of "Christmas"? What is Mas? I spent 23 yrs in catholic celebration mass and still can't understand why "mass" is celebrated instead of "Jesus" very soon, another religion will institute the celebration of "Jupiter" & another the celebration of "Mercury" the the celebration will be complete if they have not start celebrating them already. Well maybe we should continue in this celebration that evil will also continue. Hahahahahahahahahah 1 Like |
| Re: Christmas Is Idolatrous And Unscriptural - Pastor Kumuyi by adedejiadekunle: 3:29pm On Dec 23, 2013 |
they don't behave in accordance with their preaching, they are hypocrite. baba kumuyi's son was suspended from the church because his wife wore wedding guy and did make up on their wedding day. this is medicine after death, as the son of the founder of the church, is he not suppose to know the doctrine the church. Besides, we are celebrating Jesus not Idol[/quote] |
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