GWG said: "Is abortion wrong in cases of rape, incest or when it threatens the mother's life?"

Response:

It's wrong to kill the baby for the crime of the father. If the mother's life is in danger, the standard procedure is to have a cesarean and save the lives of both the mother and child. Not to kill the baby. Incest is against the law, so again, you shouldn't kill the baby for the crime of the father.

OLAADEGBU: GWG said: "Is abortion wrong in cases of rape, incest or when it threatens the mother's life?"

Response:

It's wrong to kill the baby for the crime of the father. If the mother's life is in danger, the standard procedure is to have a cesarean and save the lives of both the mother and child. Not to kill the baby. Incest is against the law, so again, you shouldn't kill the baby for the crime of the father.

What do you have to say about the descendants of Adam and Eve suffering for the crimes and sin of their ancestors (Adam and Eve)!

OLAADEGBU: GWG said: "Is abortion wrong in cases of rape, incest or when it threatens the mother's life?"

Response:

It's wrong to kill the baby for the crime of the father. If the mother's life is in danger, the standard procedure is to have a cesarean and save the lives of both the mother and child. Not to kill the baby. Incest is against the law, so again, you shouldn't kill the baby for the crime of the father.

Mr fanatic, better stop talking nonsense nd go seek knowledge abt what u don't know. Caesarian in less dn 28wks pregnancy in Nigeria is as good as performing abortion. The hallmark is bring out d baby not caring if it will survive or not if d life of d mother is in danger. In such cases, abortion is highly welcome.

Kay 17:

What do you have to say about the descendants of Adam and Eve suffering for the crimes and sin of their ancestors (Adam and Eve)!

Good question. The same thing you say to a careless driver who drove a bus full of people unto their untimely deaths.

heykims:

Mr fanatic, better stop talking nonsense nd go seek knowledge abt what u don't know. Caesarian in less dn 28wks pregnancy in Nigeria is as good as performing abortion. The hallmark is bring out d baby not caring if it will survive or not if d life of d mother is in danger. In such cases, abortion is highly welcome.

Who told you a 28 week pregnancy has to be aborted? A baby that is born by C/S at 24 weeks will survive and the mother's life will also be preserved. You don't have to commit murder in the pretence that you want to save the life of the mother, both lives can be preserved.

^^

No not the same way, rather the descendants of Adam and Eve are suffering from the punishment reserved for the crime and are not victims of the sin.

Kay 17:

^^

No not the same way, rather the descendants of Adam and Eve are suffering from the punishment reserved for the crime and are not victims of the sin.

Did the passengers in the crashed bus suffer from the recklessness of the driver or not?

^^
Yes as victims not as criminals and sinners.

OLAADEGBU:

Good question. The same thing you say to a careless driver who drove a bus full of people unto their untimely death.

pathetic answer..

Kay 17: ^^

Yes as victims not as criminals and sinners.

The same way aborted babies suffer from the criminal activities of their parents as victims.

OLAADEGBU: GWG said: "Is abortion wrong in cases of rape, incest or when it threatens the mother's life?"

Response:

It's wrong to kill the baby for the crime of the father. If the mother's life is in danger, the standard procedure is to have a cesarean and save the lives of both the mother and child. Not to kill the baby. Incest is against the law, so again, you shouldn't kill the baby for the crime of the father.

i guess that's why its right to then push the sin of the father to the innocent baby...btw, what about infants and pregnant women your 'God' murdered in the bible for d sins of their fathers??

DK Jaleel:

pathetic answer..

How will you understand my answer when it doesn't seem you understood his question?

DK Jaleel:

i guess that's why its right to then push the sin of the father to the innocent baby...btw, what about infants and pregnant women your 'God' murdered in the bible for d sins of their fathers??

You don't have to die because of the sin of your father, you are free to get off the "hell bus" that is heading for destruction.

DK Jaleel:

i guess that's why its right to then push the sin of the father to the innocent baby...btw, what about infants and pregnant women your 'God' murdered in the bible for d sins of their fathers??

Typical "atheist" questions.

Bob Cole said: "You shouldn't kill the baby for the crime of the father." God disagrees with you: "So Moses chiselled out two stone tablets like the first ones and went up Mount Sinai early in the morning, as the Lord had commanded him; and he carried the two stone tablets in his hands. Then the Lord came down in the cloud and stood there with him and proclaimed his name, the Lord. And he passed in front of Moses, proclaiming, 'The Lord, the Lord, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation'." (Exodus 34:4-7 NIV)

Responses:

Where does it say to kill the child for the crime of the father? It says he doesn't leave the guilty unpunished. Only those who are guilty get punished by God. Read it again: "Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation." The use of "children" is speaking of the offspring (adults) who also have children (the nation of Israel is often called "The children of Israel". Also "the children and their children" is obviously referring to those who bear children. Little children don't have children.

OLAADEGBU:

The same way aborted babies suffer from the criminal activities of their parents as victims.

I think we are on the same page. So why do Adam and Eve's descendants suffer the punishment of their ancestors?

Kay 17:

I think we are on the same page. So why do Adam and Eve's descendants suffer the punishment of their ancestors?

See my response above.

OLAADEGBU:

Who told you a 28 week pregnancy has to be aborted? A baby that is born by C/S at 24 weeks will survive and the mother's life will also be preserved. You don't have to commit murder in the pretence that you want to save the life of the mother, both lives can be preserved.

This is y I said u talking ignorantly. In Nigeria, any baby expelled tru d birth canal before 28wks is considered as abortion coz they rarely survive. However, dt age of viability is different in UK (24wks) nd US (22wks). For ur information, any operation 'caesarian' done to deliver d baby before ds age of viability wch is 28wks in Nigeria is not called C/S coz d baby is not even expected to survive, it us called laparotomy. The mother is always d number one priority, so if any pregnancy effect dares threatens d mother's life, get rid of d baby.

heykims:

This is y I said u talking ignorantly. In Nigeria, any baby expelled tru d birth canal before 28wks is considered as abortion coz they rarely survive. However, dt age of viability is different in UK (24wks) nd US (22wks). For ur information, any operation 'caesarian' done to deliver d baby before ds age of viability wch is 28wks in Nigeria is not called C/S coz d baby is not even expected to survive, it us called laparotomy. The mother is always d number one priority, so if any pregnancy effect dares threatens d mother's life, get rid of d baby.

Whatever term it is given it is still cold blood murder. Can you give one instance of pregnancy where the mother's life is threatened, and how often this takes place?

"In my 36 years in pediatric surgery, I've never known of one instance where the child had to be aborted to save the mother's life"

-- C. Everett Koop U.S. Surgeon General, 1982-89

OLAADEGBU:

Whatever term it is given it is still cold blood murder. Can you give one instance of pregnancy where the mother's life is threatened, and how often this takes place?

"In my 36 years in pediatric surgery, I've never known of one instance where the child had to be aborted to save the mother's life"

-- C. Everett Koop U.S. Surgeon General, 1982-89

Why not quote a Nigerian specialist obstetrician or paediatrician. There are many specialist obstetricians in d western countries dt have neva seen a case of pregnancy induced maternal death nd wud have to fly to a distant developing country to see at least a case before they retire whereas a mere medical student in Nigeria sees it frequently.
Now back to ur question, conditions where d mother's life is threatened include severe pre-eclampsia, eclampsia, preterm rupture of membrane(coz of infection), nd varieties of malignancies(cancers, sarcomas) in pregnancies.

heykims:

Why not quote a Nigerian specialist obstetrician or paediatrician. There are many specialist obstetricians in d western countries dt have neva seen a case of pregnancy induced maternal death nd wud have to fly to a distant developing country to see at least a case before they retire whereas a mere medical student in Nigeria sees it frequently.
Now back to ur question, conditions where d mother's life is threatened include severe pre-eclampsia, eclampsia, preterm rupture of membrane(coz of infection), nd varieties of malignancies(cancers, sarcomas) in pregnancies.

Which of the Nigerian's medical specialists abide by the hyppocratic oath to uphold the duty of care to preserve life at all cost? And with the instances you've given how many of these contribute to the number of murders you've committed in the name of abortion?

All human life is valuable. The unborn baby's life is precious - and so is the mother's. There are certainly a precious few occasions when, tragically, there is a choice between the life of the baby and the life of the mother. It may be necessary, under these extreme conditions, to consider saving the life of the mother or the child. These tragic situations arise because we live in a fallen world.

One example of the above would be an ectopic pregnancy, where the unborn baby has started to develop in the fallopian tube, rather than in the uterus. It may not be possible to move the baby, and the baby would, in any case, die in such circumstances, as would the mother. Sadly, it may be necessary for the baby to be removed surgically, which will result in his death. With this situation though, it is a matter of trying to save a life or two, as opposed to forcing death on the unborn baby.

There are some other cases that can be more complicated. When there is a tragic choice between saving either the baby or the mother, but it is impossible to do both, then individual families will need, prayerfully, to come to their own decisions on this matter, and no one would be able to criticise their painful decision. It is unfortunate that such cases are very rare, they are only about 0.004% of all cases involve the possible death of the mother. - Dr. Michael Jarmulowicz, cited in "The Physical and Psycho-Social effects of Abortion on Women"

And to say that the so called Nigerian Doctors are supposed to abide by the oaths they made.

"I will dispense no lethal drug If I am asked, nor will I advise to do such; And similarly I will give no woman a pessary to cause an abortion. In purity and by divine law I will carry out my life and my art." -- HIPPOCRATES: The father of modern medicine (460 BC - c. 370 BC).

OLAADEGBU:

Which of the Nigerian's medical specialists abide by the hyppocratic oath to uphold the duty of care to preserve life at all cost? And with the instances you've given how many of these contribute to the number of murders you've committed in the name of abortion?

Religion or whatever u believe in has blindfolded u nd has taken over ur reasoning faculty. If at all u re going to commend any country as regards to the constitutional prohibition of abortion, then Nigeria sud be on d front list. Though many of d western countries legalize abortion, it is a crime in Nigeria EXCEPT when d life of d mother is compromised. Any abortion u hear dt is carried out in Nigerian govt hospitals must av met d criteria except in some private hospitals where they re illegally done nd in fact most of those illegal abortions re not done by medical doctors but by nurses nd some other paramedicals.
I advise u to start reasoning autonomously....

heykims:

Religion or whatever u believe in has blindfolded u nd has taken over ur reasoning faculty. If at all u re going to commend any country as regards to the constitutional prohibition of abortion, then Nigeria sud be on d front list. Though many of d western countries legalize abortion, it is a crime in Nigeria EXCEPT when d life of d mother is compromised. Any abortion u hear dt is carried out in Nigerian govt hospitals must av met d criteria except in some private hospitals where they re illegally done nd in fact most of those illegal abortions re not done by medical doctors but by nurses nd some other paramedicals.
I advise u to start reasoning autonomously....

I don't believe in religion I believe in the sanctity of life. Kudos to the Nigerian constitution that prohibits abortion. Are you saying that Nigerian doctors don't illegally carry out abortions in their private clinics? I still insist that more effort must be made to preserve the lives of both mother and babies where the life of the mother is at risk.

Any form of abortion is wrong. We may try to rationalize it from now till thy kindom come but no amount of rationalization will make it right.

Kay 17:

What do you have to say about the descendants of Adam and Eve suffering for the crimes and sin of their ancestors (Adam and Eve)!

Two things here...

1) A child suffers because the mum and dad were thrown in prison by a judge for breaking the law.

2) The parents decide to kill the child because they are trying to protect their interest, whatever the interest is.

The first case is basically a natural consequence for the wrong deeds of the parents. Though the child suffers but he judge can't be held liable for the suffering of the child. This is similar to the case of Adam and Eve.

While the second case is what abortion is. The parents decide to punish their child directly for a wrong it knows nothing about. The judge has little or no role to play here. This is not a natural consequence for the wrong doing of the parents.

OLAADEGBU: GWG said: "Is abortion wrong in cases of rape, incest or when it threatens the mother's life?"

Response:

It's wrong to kill the baby for the crime of the father. If the mother's life is in danger, the standard procedure is to have a cesarean and save the lives of both the mother and child. Not to kill the baby. Incest is against the law, so again, you shouldn't kill the baby for the crime of the father.

Exodus 20:5, “You shall not bow down to idols or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me.”

heykims:
Religion or whatever u believe in has blindfolded u nd has taken over ur reasoning faculty.

An argument I am very farmiliar with...why don't we blame it on the alcohol? Face d ish and not the man!!!

dalaman:

Exodus 20:5, “You shall not bow down to idols or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me.”

It will save you some pain if you bother to read answers proferred before you start making any objections. Read my response to a similar question asked:

OLAADEGBU:

Typical "atheist" questions.

Bob Cole said: "You shouldn't kill the baby for the crime of the father." God disagrees with you: "So Moses chiselled out two stone tablets like the first ones and went up Mount Sinai early in the morning, as the Lord had commanded him; and he carried the two stone tablets in his hands. Then the Lord came down in the cloud and stood there with him and proclaimed his name, the Lord. And he passed in front of Moses, proclaiming, 'The Lord, the Lord, the compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness, maintaining love to thousands, and forgiving wickedness, rebellion and sin. Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation'." (Exodus 34:4-7 NIV)

Responses:

Where does it say to kill the child for the crime of the father? It says he doesn't leave the guilty unpunished. Only those who are guilty get punished by God. Read it again: "Yet he does not leave the guilty unpunished; he punishes the children and their children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation." The use of "children" is speaking of the offspring (adults) who also have children (the nation of Israel is often called "The children of Israel". Also "the children and their children" is obviously referring to those who bear children. Little children don't have children.

shut up Olaadegbu! NONSENSE!


you have caveman mentality from the era of stone-age israelites.

TUFIAKWA!

PAGAN 9JA:


shut up Olaadegbu! NONSENSE!


you have caveman mentality from the era of stone-age israelites.

TUFIAKWA!

What else have you got to say apart from your emotional outburst? Any sensible contributions?

OLAADEGBU:

What else have you got to say apart from your emotional outburst? Any sensible contributions?

When it comes to natural laws, it is best to learn from animals.

A mother has the right to take the life of what she gave birth to.

A child that has no emotional or mental development is as good as a fetal child.


If the mother doesnt want the child, she has the right to end it.


In my village, if the child was born disabled, they killed it and waited for another birth.

Who wants the child to suffer when it grows in the real world?

Why should the parents bear the burden, when it can be prevented at the early stage.


Please use reason. stop going by a book written 2000 years ago by cavemen.

PAGAN 9JA:



When it comes to natural laws, it is best to learn from animals.

A mother has the right to take the life of what she gave birth to.

A child that has no emotional or mental development is as good as a fetal child.


If the mother doesnt want the child, she has the right to end it.


In my village, if the child was born disabled, they killed it and waited for another birth.

Who wants the child to suffer when it grows in the real world?

Why should the parents bear the burden, when it can be prevented at the early stage.


Please use reason. stop going by a book written 2000 years ago by cavemen.

Thanks to the likes of Mary Sclessor that brought the light of Christ to the darkness in places like Nigeria.