anonimi:

I thought someone who claims he is living in London would be smarter than what you wrote above.
Made a mistake

shymexx:

I shouldn't even engage you because of your post pattern and moronic witch-hunting. You sound a sycophantic pseud, a political jobber and an an innately effeminate duffer with the colour schemes in your post.

So, who built the berths 1 to 4 at the Apapa quays?

shymexx:

The crux of the matter is that everyone wants the Lagos state government to perform a miracle and turn Lagos into London despite being half the size of London and three times the population? However, where is the money going to come from? How many people earn £1500 equivalent to naira in Lagos. I doubt all the clowns who run their mouths on nairaland about working in banks and oil companies even earn that much - and that's what a normal sales assistant in a supermarket earns in London. So you would agree with me that over 90% of Lagosians are poor. And the few that pay taxes only pay meagre money that won't be able to do anything. I guess that's why you lot are getting the substandard quality you're getting. The state can't afford world-class infrastructures.

The trickling down of wealth is majorly the job of the FG and Lagos for all its population and what it contributes to the national purse, it doesn't get that much back in return. Evidently, there's little the state government can do about that - it isn't responsible for all Nigerians. That's the job of the FG.

anonimi:
[s]When people say what you said above I imagine they may be UNAWARE that the constitution makes the FG responsible for the:

- Armed Force i.e Army, Navy, Air Force
- Law Enforcement agents i.e Police Force and the Intelligence Services
- Foreign Affairs, including several embassies around the world
- INEC for elections at the federal and state levels i.e.

* president,
* senate,
* HoR,
* governors and
* state assembly lawmakers

compared to SIECs that conduct only LGA elections,

- UBEC support to states and LGAs for implementation of free education.
UBEC has disbursed almost 188 billion to the states in the last eight years.
See http://ubeconline.com/Pre/Disbursememt%20as%20at%206th-December,2013.pdf

- Railways
- Sea ports
- Airports
- Etc, etc[/s]

And what has Lagos done about true fiscal federalism beyond TALK. We have had a democracy for almost 15 years now and at least two amendments to the 1999 constitution. I guess talk is cheap especially when the leader knows most of his fellow compatriots are MUMUS.
Oh maybe that is why Tinubu is so keen to have Buhari in power next year since he (Buhari) promised to DECREE fiscal federalism. The clueless old soldier is obviously thinking in COUPIST terms where as the MAXIMUM ruler he does not need the input of lawmakers to do things.

shymexx:

Oh, you mean your FG is responsible for your medieval military with obsolete weapons? The same military that's grossly underfunded and that can't fight its way out of a paper bag? The same military that has been embarrassed by a ragtag terrorist group?

The Nigerian police that's more or less an underpaid vigilante group? The same clowns who don't understand the rudiments of policing, no?

What foreign affairs? Elections ridden with election frauds and malpractices?

And where are the railways, seaports and airports? You mean the smelly and primitive airport in Lagos? The non-existent railways and the 17th century locomotive trains?

Fam, just shut up!



I put it to you that based on what Fashola has achieved, he can become the Mayor of London. Heck, he's overqualified for the governor of New York - since Andrew Cuomo is utterly useless.

anonimi:
Assuming it is true that the British built it during the colonial era, so you imagine they were playing Father Christmas to the natives in Nigeria, right
And BTW are those the only berths in Lagos ports

As usual I will ignore the ranting, abuse and insults so we can stay focused on the real issues and not join you in the gutter.

anonimi:

Seeing the childishness in your post, I guess it's time I take phantom's advice in his post just above yours.
Happy new year!

Uyi Iredia:
1}That's true BUT good local governance can cushion bad federal governance to an extent. The political structures and good use of them have helped a lot in such places BUT state governance can always be of tremendous importance. It safe to assume the 2008 mortgage housing bust in US affected each state differently because of policies each stag.te govt. put in place.
2}Big lie. Oil money funds Lagos (a good part). In fact all state govts.
3}Nonsense ! There is a middle class. Which kain stupidity be this o ! People wey dey by Samsung, iPads, tokunbo foreign cars etc poor so ? They are the middle class. Go back and do your economics well.
4}Okay. Mainly because you corrected my impression that govt largely financed it. Even then it's quite the waste. I think many of these estates being built are expensive. Funny thing is people will still forego them to negotiate with private landlords. That I know from experience.
Fo

checkdate: will you do better than him if you are made the governor of lagos state?

bloggernaija: Mortgages are not under the control of the state government.
Banks grant mortgages (in nigeria's case loans).
The federal government via the CBN control the banks .
So,that is federal responsibility

.on the urban and regional and planning , you are partly right, however blaming Fashola is not understAnding the problem.
Lagos was almost already fully built up before Tinubu and Fashola.
The continuing influx of poor migrant into Lagos and SW has made it almost impossible to do much about this problem because it will cause massive dislocation and inconvenience.
Also the LGA council are not up to scratch.this
Is suppose to be a local government problem.
This is why Fashola has reiterated that his mega city policy would build around the mess for now ,rather than wheel out the bulldozers .

phantom: small boy dey run im mouth.(abi im hands).anybody reading from you wont know that you cant even point nigeria out on a map of just west africa,let alone lagos....funny dude! just ask mummy to save up for a ticket,visit the country for just a week and we might just begin to take you seriously,young blood!

bakynes:

1.Do you think some pple in lagos have a home to be counted by the census guys? check wiki and see for yourself the population figure.Each time I go out am always stressed coz the congestion on d road, the hold up and from other states ve visited, ve never witnessed such stress so that also proves lagos population @ 20million is justified.
2.Did the budget for road construction pass through your table? for you to know it was done for 2-3 times the cost of Federal roads.

anonimi:

I do not know of MillionS who are homeless. How did you know?
Statistics and data METICULOUSLY gathered by adequately motivated workers of Fashola's Social and Welfare Affairs ministry no doubt, abi

Uyi Iredia:

* State schools still in bad shape. In truth, the state has a looong way to go in this area. Teachers still receive paltry sums. I was discussing last year (yesterday) with a former lesson teacher of mine. She said some new teachers get paid #10-15k monthly. Her school she teaches is not in good shape. In fact, forgetting the Millenium school at Oshodi which is airbrushed to show state achievements, and some haphazard renovations here and there, some even by concerned citizens. The state school infrastructure is still comatose. And BTW why did LASU students have to still be on strike despite the fact Fashola increased their fees ? That's mismanagement on LASG's part.

Uyi Iredia:

You be better mumu ! These unskilled workers are way more skilled than you can ever imagine. Try carrying a bag of cement, or rice. You go faint. Kids be all Behind these day they won't carty block. Haba ! Laborers that build your houses, sweep ur streets at their risk, build all the wonddrful structures you praise Fashola for, many exploited ones in China built many of the devices (from Apole to Techno or Chinko phones) you enjoy. Your post is silly. It shows how much people didsain technical education, even disdain menial jobs which are VERY important. All of them depend on laborers leaving in shanties etc And you think they don't have a right to low-cost housing. You be mumu !

shymexx:

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shymexx: [s][/s]

I don't want to curse people out this year, however, I would say go suck your mum. Go tell Benin kingdom to claim it. And are those Brazilian returnees from your ethnic stock? They're Yoruba's!

me_for_you: u are a big bafoon for cancelling people's comments when u quote them. Igbo population in Lagos is about 30% and we own about 70% of lagos economy. Where were your fathers when Britons and igbos were building lagos?

me_for_you: Igbo population in Lagos is about 30% and we own about 70% of lagos economy.

Pukkah:

Since there are 5 Igbo states in Nigeria, this suggests that Nigerians from the remaining 31 states and FCT and foreigners own about 30% of Lagos economy?

This also implies that these other groups (from 31 states, FCT and foreign countries) form 70% of Lagos population?

This is interesting.

me_for_you: it's there on the internet. Google it

whitecat007: Got to go jor!

ketoprofen:

The same way some ppl shd take it easy with gej

shymexx:

Those countries are better today because of what government at the center achieved not the mayors of the different regions. There's not much a state government can do, especially in the case of Lagos, that has about 20% of the country's population despite being the smallest in the country.



















Oil money doesn't fund Lagos. Lagos contributes more the FG purse than it gets
back in return. Many multinationals and important companies have their headquarters there not because of the FG, but because of the status of the place. That was also why the Brits moved the capital to the Lagos and also why Lagos was a slave coast. Even when the slaves returned, most of them returned to Lagos because of the same reason. The IGR might be huge compared to other Nigerian states, however, it isn't that much when compared to other thriving megacities across the globe, hence why the place is the way it's.




Negligible minority. The minimum wage is N18,000 and that's not even up to £100. Overwhelming majority don't earn that much.



Utter tosh. Define middle class? The truth is that the overwhelming majority of Nigerians are dirt poor.




What are the basics? You have to create wealth, so as to be able to increase your spending. With Eko Atlantic, that would generate more revenue for the state government and the money would be used to fund other projects. It would also create employment opportunity, more people with cash and distribute wealth. That means more taxes and more revenue. Just look at the bigger picture.




The structure of government in Nigeria is flawed. There's little the state government can do about wealth creation - that's the job of the FG. The state government can only cater to certain infrastructural needs of the people in places that are within their jurisdiction. And I believe the Lagos state government is head and shoulders above others if Nigerian standard, its snarly population and what's attainable in other states is used as a yardstick.

Uyi Iredia:

Hmmn. Dats anoda way of seeing it. And I differ for apparent reasons. Basics first.

shymexx:

How do you plan an urban centre in a place as snarly populated as Lagos? The only option is to create new cities to decongest the old ones for renewal. Even with that, based on demand, supply and cost, how many Lagosians would be able to afford to live in the new cities? The only option is for the FG to build new cities, to decongest Lagos - or other state governments, to roll their sleeves up, and start working - so as to enable reverse migration from Lagos.



Population factor again and excessive pressure on infrastructures.




Population factor coupled with demand and supply, and the need to meet the demand, despite insufficient funds. That would obviously rub off on the quality. The only solution is for more Nigerians to start paying taxes.

PS: Not making excuses for Fashola. He is just a one-eyed man in the land of the blind. And personally, he's an extreme capitalist, an ideology I don't agree with. However, he's one of the best in Nigeria. The Osun governor is my guy - I like his ideology.