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Georgia Vs Russia: Why The Apathy On Nairaland?! by texazzpete(m): 7:34am On Aug 12, 2008
For some days now Russian troops and Georgian forces have been engaged in a pitched battle. There are reports of thousands of civillian casualties, with the South Ossetian capital razed to the ground.

As we speak, Russian forces have overstepped the limits of their 'peacekeeping operation', and are already engaged in an invasion of Georgian territory.


It has been several days, but there's no hint of this on the Politics section.

Am i the only one who feels that this would not be the case if a certain western superpower was involved in this millitary op?
Re: Georgia Vs Russia: Why The Apathy On Nairaland?! by landis(m): 7:42am On Aug 12, 2008
As we speak, Russian forces have overstepped the limits of their peacekeeping operation, and are already engaged in an invasion of Georgian territory.


I fully backed Russia in this conflict.

US travelled 8000km to Iraqi -> whats that called?

Israel destroyed Lebanon because two soldiers were killed.

No country would allow its people to be killed.

Russia strategy is to isolate Georgia and warn all other WESTERN puppert countries in that region that it would not tolerate any nonsense in their backyard.

This strategy will should have used against Cameron but we are too corrupt & lazy, that why we gave them Bakassi on platter of Gold.

Mark this: If OIL is discovered in Semme or Badagry; the WEST will instigate Benin republic to claim its their land.

The whole world should be happy we still have Russia and China to balance things otherwise the whole world would be under bondage of WEST.
Re: Georgia Vs Russia: Why The Apathy On Nairaland?! by RichyBlacK(m): 8:23am On Aug 12, 2008
texazzpete:

For some days now Russian troops and Georgian forces have been engaged in a pitched battle. There are reports of thousands of civillian casualties, with the South Ossetian capital razed to the ground.


Please tell us who razed Tskhinvali to the ground?
Re: Georgia Vs Russia: Why The Apathy On Nairaland?! by otokx(m): 9:05am On Aug 12, 2008
Its quite confusing, the russians are really a ruthless bear.
Re: Georgia Vs Russia: Why The Apathy On Nairaland?! by Frizy(m): 10:30am On Aug 12, 2008
I just heard from aljazeera that the Russian president has ordered a ceasefire and possibly withdraw its armed forces. End of war.
Re: Georgia Vs Russia: Why The Apathy On Nairaland?! by Mustay(m): 10:31am On Aug 12, 2008
Frizy:

I just heard from aljazeera that the Russian president has ordered a ceasefire and possibly withdraw its armed forces. End of war.

Didn't he say something similar on Sunday?
Re: Georgia Vs Russia: Why The Apathy On Nairaland?! by Ibime(m): 10:33am On Aug 12, 2008
Guys, this issue is being discussed in the foreign affairs section

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-158495.0.html
Re: Georgia Vs Russia: Why The Apathy On Nairaland?! by Kobojunkie: 11:59am On Aug 12, 2008
WOW , Iraq is reason for russia to continue war with georgia? WOOHOO!!
Re: Georgia Vs Russia: Why The Apathy On Nairaland?! by texazzpete(m): 12:07pm On Aug 12, 2008
@landis
let's see your logic

US invaded Iraq in 2003 = bad.

Israel Invades lebanon = bad

Russia invades Georgia = good because it 'balances things out'


WTF?!

landis:

Russia strategy is to isolate Georgia and warn all other WESTERN puppert countries in that region that it would not tolerate any nonsense in their backyard.


and perhaps Israel invaded Lebanon to show that it would not tolerate 'nonsense in their backyard'. Isn't that what your logic indicates?


RichyBlacK:

Please tell us who razed Tskhinvali to the ground?


Russian troops are in sovereign Georgian territory as we speak. So much for 'peacekeeping operations'.

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Re: Georgia Vs Russia: Why The Apathy On Nairaland?! by grafikdon: 12:38pm On Aug 12, 2008
Russia is simply the Iran of Europe. Flexing muscles unnecessarily and bringing howitzer where a kitchen knife is needed. I don't like their action in this situation one bit. God, I can't wait for the day alternative energy will become well established. . .
Re: Georgia Vs Russia: Why The Apathy On Nairaland?! by ASL33: 12:43pm On Aug 12, 2008
texazzpete:

@landis
let's see your logic
US invaded Iraq in 2003 = bad.
Israel Invades lebanon = bad
Russia invades Georgia = good because it 'balances things out'
WTF?!
and perhaps Israel invaded Lebanon to show that it would not tolerate 'nonsense in their backyard'. Isn't that what your logic indicates?
Russian troops are in sovereign Georgian territory as we speak. So much for 'peacekeeping operations'.
US invaded Iraq=Bad but you never believed it was bad.
Israel Invaded Lebanon =bad but US and her Muppet never condenmed them. What Bush said then was that Israel has every right to defend herself. U as well felt it was good.
Russia Invaded Georgia=Bad, US and others has no moral justification to condemn Russia since they did not condemn Israel and they master minded the first one.

If US and Israel did not take unilateral action against Iraq and Lebanon this Russia case might not have happened.
Re: Georgia Vs Russia: Why The Apathy On Nairaland?! by Gamine(f): 12:49pm On Aug 12, 2008
Seriously , whats our business with this issue?

Is Russia withholding Oil from us or did Georgia Kidnap Nigerians?
Re: Georgia Vs Russia: Why The Apathy On Nairaland?! by texazzpete(m): 1:26pm On Aug 12, 2008
lol
So here's the thing

You condemn the US for hypocrisy in attacking Iraq.

Yet you happily fail to notice the hypocrisy in Russia invading Georgia to ensure that the South Ossetians enjoy their right to secede. . .even when the same Russians brutally crushed the Chechens when they tried to break away.

There are similarities in both cases. South Ossetia hold vital resources for Georgia, and Chechnya holds vital hycrocarbon resources and access to the caucasus oilfields.

South Ossetia has been semi-autonomous for a while in Georgia, there was an existing peace deal and Georgia claimed they invaded as a result of seperatists in South Ossetia shelling Georgian cities with artillery fire.
Chechnya was semi-autonomous, there had been an existing peace treaty signed with the russians, and Russia claimed they invaded because of some 'terrorist attacks' in Moscow.


Seeing as both scenarios are very similar, why hesitate to proclaim the hypocrisy in the stance of the Russians? Were it to be the US, i'm sure your tongues would not be so impaired.


ASL33:

US invaded Iraq=Bad but you never believed it was bad.
Israel Invaded Lebanon =bad but US and her Muppet never condenmed them. What Bush said then was that Israel has every right to defend herself. You as well felt it was good.
Russia Invaded Georgia=Bad, US and others has no moral justification to condemn Russia since they did not condemn Israel and they master minded the first one.

If US and Israel did not take unilateral action against Iraq and Lebanon this Russia case might not have happened.


Good. But YOU have a moral right to condemn Russia. Have you done so?

ASL33:


If US and Israel did not take unilateral action against Iraq and Lebanon this Russia case might not have happened.


Chechnya happened long before the Iraq or the lebanon war. Go figure.
Re: Georgia Vs Russia: Why The Apathy On Nairaland?! by texazzpete(m): 1:28pm On Aug 12, 2008
Gamine:

Seriously , whats our business with this issue?

Is Russia withholding Oil from us or did Georgia Kidnap Nigerians?

Because it pays to be informed, and to have an informed opinion on issues troubling the world.

There's more to life than discussing latest fashion trends in Shoprite. grin
Re: Georgia Vs Russia: Why The Apathy On Nairaland?! by dudubobo1: 1:32pm On Aug 12, 2008
Russia probably feels justified because the other powers have no moral right to speak too loudly. It's a shame that what seems to work on earth now is brute force.
America used it all around. Israel used it severally and now Russia is using it too.

weep for the world.

The Georgian govt is also silly. They rushed troops to Iraq to kill Iraqis not realising that what befell Iraqis can also befall them.

The world is bonkers!
Re: Georgia Vs Russia: Why The Apathy On Nairaland?! by c33b33(m): 1:35pm On Aug 12, 2008
Russia is just flexing their muscles cos it has been off use 4 awhile, Georgia has d right to protect their sovereinity!exactly what Nigeria did to Biafra & Russia did to chen<wateva>.
Re: Georgia Vs Russia: Why The Apathy On Nairaland?! by ASL33: 4:11pm On Aug 12, 2008
texazzpete:

Good. But YOU have a moral right to condemn Russia. Have you done so?
Check my previous post before you post.
Re: Georgia Vs Russia: Why The Apathy On Nairaland?! by lucabrasi(m): 5:21pm On Aug 12, 2008
hmmm, russia invade georgia and george bush tells medv they will be responsible for it, another cold war is brewing slowly but surely, should be veery very interesting
Re: Georgia Vs Russia: Why The Apathy On Nairaland?! by Nobody: 5:25pm On Aug 12, 2008
If the aggressor where the US or Israel this thread would have been 8 pages long by now.
Re: Georgia Vs Russia: Why The Apathy On Nairaland?! by McKren(m): 5:33pm On Aug 12, 2008
All I can say to you guys is, the positions held by the west and promoted through CNN and BBC is one which favours the strategic interest of the West.

There is more to this than the interpretations these media organisations are giving, there are old wounds from the cold war era and soviet days.

The citizens of South Osettia see themselves as Rusians and carry Rusian passports. So Russia has a responsibility to defend them.
I think the problem is the Georgian leader simply over estimated what his country's alliance with US would do for them relative to their troubles with Rusia.

You can not attack Rusian citizens and hope that somehow by going to launch a media propaganda, you will define for Russia how to respond. Russia is still a world power, they can veto any UN resolution against them, China will not even turn their backs on Russia.

I think this is pure miscalculation on the part of Mikeal Sakaasvhali.
Re: Georgia Vs Russia: Why The Apathy On Nairaland?! by RichyBlacK(m): 5:33pm On Aug 12, 2008
davidylan:

If the aggressor where the US or Israel this thread would have been 8 pages long by now.

Of course! Maybe 20 pages sef!

US foreign policy is shitty and run by neocons with toddler-level IQ!

Israel's foreign policy is worse!

Both US and Israel are at the top of the list of nations with highly yamayama foreign policies.
Re: Georgia Vs Russia: Why The Apathy On Nairaland?! by RichyBlacK(m): 5:38pm On Aug 12, 2008
McKren:

All I can say to you guys is, the positions held by the west and promoted through CNN and BBC is one which favours the strategic interest of the West.

There is more to this than the interpretations these media organisations are giving, there are old wounds from the cold war era and soviet days.

The citizens of South Osettia see themselves as Rusians and carry Rusian passports. So Russia has a responsibility to defend them.
I think the problem is the Georgian leader simply over estimated what his country's alliance with US would do for them relative to their troubles with Rusia.

You can not attack Rusian citizens and hope that somehow by going to launch a media propaganda, you will define for Russia how to respond. Russia is still a world power, they can veto any UN resolution against them, China will not even turn their backs on Russia.

I think this is pure miscaculation on the part of Mikeal Sakaasvhali.



Excellent points!

The Georgian president is just one numskull mumuric otemu.

Russia cannot be told by any country what to do orĀ  not do - just too strong for that. However, I still think Russia should have made one more diplomatic push to prevent military action - the civilians caught in this crossfire definitely have my sympathy.
Re: Georgia Vs Russia: Why The Apathy On Nairaland?! by RichyBlacK(m): 5:40pm On Aug 12, 2008
ASL33:

US invaded Iraq=Bad but you never believed it was bad.
Israel Invaded Lebanon =bad but US and her Muppet never condenmed them. What Bush said then was that Israel has every right to defend herself. You as well felt it was good.
Russia Invaded Georgia=Bad, US and others has no moral justification to condemn Russia since they did not condemn Israel and they master minded the first one.

If US and Israel did not take unilateral action against Iraq and Lebanon this Russia case might not have happened.


A-1 analysis! Thank you very much for putting this so succinctly.
Re: Georgia Vs Russia: Why The Apathy On Nairaland?! by McKren(m): 5:42pm On Aug 12, 2008
Are we possibly missing out that Georgia actually lauched the first offensive on the eve of Olympics

Georgia attacked first
Re: Georgia Vs Russia: Why The Apathy On Nairaland?! by TayoD1(m): 5:44pm On Aug 12, 2008
@Mckren,

You can not attack Rusian citizens and hope that somehow by going to launch a media propaganda, you will define for Russia how to respond. Russia is still a world power, they can veto any UN resolution against them, China will not even turn their backs on Russia.
Georgia did not attack Russian citizens. Who is selling you this propaganda. SO technically belongs to Georgia even though Russia has being setting Georgia up for this a**-whooping by giving its passports to the people of SO, even though SO is Georgia's territory.

No matter how many Bakassians hold Naija's pasport, Bakassi technically belongs to Cameroun and Cameroun has every right to fight to keep its country one even if the Bakassians revolt.
Re: Georgia Vs Russia: Why The Apathy On Nairaland?! by Nobody: 5:46pm On Aug 12, 2008
RichyBlacK:

Of course! Maybe 20 pages sef!

US foreign policy is shitty and run by neocons with toddler-level IQ!

Israel's foreign policy is worse!

Both US and Israel are at the top of the list of nations with highly yamayama foreign policies.

russia's foreign policy is even better. Otondo.
Re: Georgia Vs Russia: Why The Apathy On Nairaland?! by dudubobo1: 5:47pm On Aug 12, 2008
South Ossetia is a break away region and Ossetians have, more or less become, Russians - carrying Russian passports. Should Russia look on while Georgia annexes Ossetia?

I seem to recall Britain in Falklands. . . what was that about?
Re: Georgia Vs Russia: Why The Apathy On Nairaland?! by TayoD1(m): 5:49pm On Aug 12, 2008
@Mckren,

Georgia attacked first
Yep, but they attacked within their territory to keep their country one. They never attacked Russia. Would the UK have the right to invade Naija after Obasanjo bombed Odi even if British people were killed during the attack? I think not. The best they could do is send in special forces to evacuate their citizens. That is not what Russia did. Instead, they launched Putin's style of "peace-keeping" and ended up invading another sovereign nation. I tire o. Abeg, no Russian forces should be allowed on any UN peace keeping mission now that we have an experiential knowledge of what that means to the Kremlin.
Re: Georgia Vs Russia: Why The Apathy On Nairaland?! by McKren(m): 5:49pm On Aug 12, 2008
Tayo-D:

@Mckren,
Georgia did not attack Russian citizens. Who is selling you this propaganda. SO technically belongs to Georgia even though Russia has being setting Georgia up for this a**-whooping by giving its passports to the people of SO, even though SO is Georgia's territory.

No matter how many Bakassians hold Naija's pasport, Bakassi technically belongs to Cameroun and Cameroun has every right to fight to keep its country one even if the Bakassians revolt.


Does South Osettia belong to Georgia anymore than than Georgia belong to the Soviet Union.

Why are they bullying Ossettians to accept one Georgia when they did not accept one Soviet Union.?

This story is more complicated than we think it is, the truth is Sakaasvhali touched the tail of a sleeping lion he should bear the brunt.
Re: Georgia Vs Russia: Why The Apathy On Nairaland?! by cold(m): 5:51pm On Aug 12, 2008
I wonder y anybody shld be sympathetic to Georgia's cause,wen they drew first blood.The rat does not go taunting the cat & xpect not to be scathed.
Re: Georgia Vs Russia: Why The Apathy On Nairaland?! by TayoD1(m): 5:54pm On Aug 12, 2008
@Mckren,

Does South Osettia belong to Georgia anymore than than Georgia belong to the Soviet Union.
Absolutely. SO is a break-away province of a sovereign nation - Georgia. Russia is nothing but a regional bully whose attempt to destabilize Georgia is evidenced by its issuing passports to SO residents. Georgia fell into Russia's trap.
Re: Georgia Vs Russia: Why The Apathy On Nairaland?! by McKren(m): 5:59pm On Aug 12, 2008
I understand US position on this matter, anything that undermines Russia is in the interest of US foreign policy

But I think the Georgians should oust Mikeal Sakaasvhali for allowing his country to be used as a chess board by world powers.

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