Africankel:

Dearly beloved,
Warm greetings to you in the matchless name of our Lord Jesus,

My Dear Paulipopo, We are not outbusting our emotions, but pointing out some wrong auttrances against the man of God and correcting them.
I'm not here to exchange words with someone who's heart has been blinded to the truth,

I have carefuly observed and noticed that you are really not aurguing the genuity of mircales but the ability of God, I told you in my earlier posts that ANYBODY can lay hands on people and they will be healed, I have done it several times, It Works!, Jesus did many mighty works, yet he was criticised,
Think of it, Judas ate with him, worked and walked with Him yet he betrayed him,
Pastor Chris could not help but laugh after reading some of your posts,

Miracles don't have to be proven, thats why they're called miracles. (The intrusion of God in a natural situation), They don't need human reasoning!
See you in Heaven.

God bless you!

A very weak and unsound argument coming from you. But in any case I wish you the very best, hope to see you in heaven too and God bless you.

I have listened to this unbeliever called Paulipopo and his friends some of which i recognize to be against everything called Spirit or supernatural.
Yet they claim to be christians and quote scripture.
Brethren, beware of dogs. The mixed muiltitude. They came out of egypt but yet they still lung to go back there. They are comfortable with the natural, what they can see and touch that is why they call for evidence.
They would have prefered it if the people prayed and prayed and prayed until God finally answered. But an instant miracle is out of the question. I pity u.
And put it to you that u dont really believe in Jesus and His Word. Chances are that u either are not functioning in a church under a man of God or u are simply on an antichrist mission to steal, kill and destroy. But the wrath of God is against all manner of wickedness whether done in the body or outside.
So christian or no christain, u will give account. The bible says the punishment of the transgressor and the sinner shall be together.

donnie:

I have listened to this unbeliever called Paulipopo and his friends some of which i recognize to be against everything called Spirit or supernatural.
Yet they claim to be christians and quote scripture.
Brethren, beware of dogs. The mixed muiltitude. They came out of egypt but yet they still lung to go back there. They are comfortable with the natural, what they can see and touch that is why they call for evidence.
They would have prefered it if the people prayed and prayed and prayed until God finally answered. But an instant miracle is out of the question. I pity u.
And put it to you that u don't really believe in Jesus and His Word. Chances are that u either are not functioning in a church under a man of God or u are simply on an antichrist mission to steal, kill and destroy. But the wrath of God is against  all manner of wickedness whether done in the body or outside.
So christian or no christain, u will give account. The bible says the punishment of the transgressor and the sinner shall be together.

Ahn ahn. all these generalisations because of Christian, one individual, one out of several, one who is not God. Isnt that a bit unfair on paulipopo?

Study ur bible and find out on which occassion Jesus spoke about the sin of blasphemy which shall not be forgiven.
You think this is one of those sins you will commit and then quote some scripture to cover it up. . . You must be joking.
Do u know what Icaboth means? U better find out because when that glory departs from your life, there is no way u can get it back. The Spirit is one so this one that u say with one breath that he is a phoney and stage manages miracles and with another that u are not condemning him is like playing with fire.
Do not be decieved by Pastor Chris' boyish looks, the Spirit and power behind him is beyond what u think u or those demons speaking to u can handle.
The same Spirit that opens blind eyes and unstops deaf ears can crush u in a split second.
So u think u r called to do what great annointed men of God all around Nigeria came together to do but failed woefully.
You think Pastor Adeboye, Oyedepo and Kumuyi dont know enough bible or aren't led of God. Why do they keep silent?

i agree with paulipopo totally. All his worshippers are FAD crazy people, give it 5-10 yrs the novelty will wear off, and there will arise another breed of Properity love-vendor to sweep them off again. There are no christians left in this world i beleive this. Just man-of-God-worshippers.

Donnie, I never knew that a man could blaspheme against a fellow man, I thought there was something else called "character assassination". . . . which is what Paulipopo and his colleagues might be doing, in your own opinion which you are entirely entitled to.

@powderpink 

But thats a generalisation. . .

And as per verifying miracles, I don't think there is anything wrong in peoples' requests that miracles be easily verifiable. . . if that is the only way some people would believe then I think God will gladly go that route; after all Jesus did not refrain from showing Thomas His pierced hands, neither did He condemn Thomas.

A_K_O:

Donnie, I never knew that a man could blaspheme against a fellow man, I thought there was something else called "character assassination". . . . which is what Paulipopo and his colleagues might be doing, in your own opinion which you are entirely entitled to.

@powderpink

But thats a generalisation. . .

And as per verifying miracles, I don't think there is anything wrong in peoples' requests that miracles be easily verifiable. . . if that is the only way some people would believe then I think God will gladly go that route; after all Jesus did not refrain from showing Thomas His pierced hands, neither did He condemn Thomas.

Brilliant answer. God truly speaks through the lips of people who love the truth.

donnie:

I have listened to this unbeliever called Paulipopo and his friends some of which i recognize to be against everything called Spirit or supernatural.
Yet they claim to be christians and quote scripture.
Brethren, beware of dogs. The mixed muiltitude. They came out of egypt but yet they still lung to go back there. They are comfortable with the natural, what they can see and touch that is why they call for evidence.
They would have prefered it if the people prayed and prayed and prayed until God finally answered. But an instant miracle is out of the question. I pity u.
And put it to you that u don't really believe in Jesus and His Word. Chances are that u either are not functioning in a church under a man of God or u are simply on an antichrist mission to steal, kill and destroy. But the wrath of God is against all manner of wickedness whether done in the body or outside.
So christian or no christain, u will give account. The bible says the punishment of the transgressor and the sinner shall be together.

Such hypocrisy, resentment and hatred coming from someone who claims to appreciate the spiritual and supernatural. What an odd mix of ignorance and spite.

@AKO
There's nothing wrong in an unbeliever asking for evidence but for a christian needing evidence, he should examine himself if he is in the faith.
Nevertheless, many who call for evidence arent really interested in finding it cos these miracles happen in the open. In tthe full glare of thousands and sometimes millions. It wouldnt suprise me to knw that Paulipopo has never been to a Pastor Chris crusade not to talk of the healing school of Christ Embassy yet see hw convincingly he writes. Some say we should go to the streets and hospitals to heal the sick. Well even though many are already doing that with results, it is importat that i let u knw that not all who are sick want to be heald. Many dont want to leave the road side. I am speaking from practical experience. I hv stories.

But Thomas was a 'christian' (the word hadnt been coined). . . , or at least he was a disciple.

Jesus gave a greater blessing for people who arent like Thomas anyway.

Thomas was not a Christian, he wasnt born again. He did not hv the life of God in Him. he did not have the Spirit of Christ. How could u make such a comparison?
The one with the Holy Ghost will have a witness within himself. For the Holy Ghost within him will testify of Christ. He restrains your tongue from speaking evil.
For ur info pls, i am not typing here to win any carnal arguement. . . I am speaking by revelation. What i recieve i put down.
The bible says, 'know ye no man after the flesh'. I am judging in the light of God's Word.

Just like the bible tells us. It is not possible for one who hs once recieved the Holy ghost and experinced the power of the gospel to be restored if he turns his back on the truth of the Gospel.
If u have been born agin and have experienced that same grace and power in signs and wonders u will not be able to speak against it. The Spirit wouldnt let you do so but if u insist and go ahead with your blasphemies it is impossible for anyone to restore you back because you delibrately denied Jesus and turned your back on the gospel and power of the Spirit which you have once tasted. You are beyond redemption. Another spirit takes over your life. That is the point of apostacy.

donnie:

If u have been born agin and have experienced that same grace and power in signs and wonders u will not be able to speak against it. The Spirit wouldnt let you do so but if u insist and go ahead with your blasphemies it is impossible for anyone to restore you back because you delibrately denied Jesus and turned your back on the gospel and power of the Spirit which you have once tasted. You are beyond redemption. Another spirit takes over your life. That is the point of apostacy.

Don't mix things up here. I am not denying the power of Jesus Christ but pointing out the phoniness of Chris Oyakhilome.

donnie:

"Just like the bible tells us. It is not possible for one who hs once recieved the Holy ghost and experinced the power of the gospel to be restored if he turns his back on the truth of the Gospel."

This more aptly applies to you since your judgmental and hypocritical stance cannot possibly be inspired by the holy spirit. The Spirit certainly would not inspire you to conjure carnal arguments like you are doing since clearly the blasphemy you talk about is clearly a mirage you seem so eager to exhibit.

You have no power to declare that I am beyond redemption, that is God's call, and the point of apostacy you talk about is already being shown in the manner you try to win an argument you cannot handle. Despite your animosities, I'll rather pray for you and hope the Holy spirit will direct our hearts in unison. Amen.

The only way we can walk in unison is if you stick to the Word. You made mention of a message u hrd the man quote out of context yet i dont seem to find where u brought the message forward for discussion. Rather i have seen hw u pour out ur resentment and envy all through the pages, talking about trivialities such as hair and DVD sets.

If that Unison u are refering to is to begin to cast doubt at what God is doing in the lives of His servants who have ministered before Him selflessly for many years then no thanks, i do not need that your prayer. I know better.

These are signs that the world is actually comin to an end, I believe that God is however in the best position to give the final judgemet on everyone on the last day, If them like make them do wetin God send them if them like make dem add their own or even go contrary to wetin God originally want dem to pass to their sheep, My piont is that God go judge us one after the other according to our work even me way dey type this post get my own 4 body and same with everyday,

However we sud not just believe everytin we see or hear, try to make research, you have the bible or Quran to always fall back to or even talk to God ursef na sin God hate not sinners, so even if you be sinner God can still communicate with u

Come to think of it why is it in Africa that stuff like this go dey happen sef,

God go help us,

A very weak and unsound argument coming from you. But in any case I wish you the very best, hope to see you in heaven too and God bless you.

Paulipopo, I hope I spelt it right?, What I posted were real facts, Take it or leave it!,
I believe that the things we share are controversal, not because they are conrtoversal in themselves but because controversal people have said the wrong things for so long.

You dont know who a CHRISTIAN is, Christianity is not mere relegion, It is the paulsating life of God at work in a man, it is God at home in a man, Think about it, how can God live in you and you cant perform miracles?, its IMPOSSIBLE!

Jesus told us, "you shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover", What does these scriptures mean to you?, If I can heal the sick in the name of Jesus (which I've done severally), Pastor Chris can, He taught me, !
The likes of you, have a problem with comprehending this reality, You know why?, they are Spiritually diserned!

“Have You Heard Pastor Oyakhilome Preach In The Name Of Olokun? He[Pastor Chris” Is A Principality Of Our Times And Those Against Him Are Against God”

I did a double take when I saw this title in the Guardian Newspaper, it is the title of an interview with Ime James, Head of Media, BLW Inc. I must commend Chris Ikemba the writer of the article for his unbiased and sincere presentation of the facts and I must not forget to mention that Ime james is a veteran in the media industry and if I’m permitted to say, an excellent choice for the job. Honestly, its like a breath of fresh air…you know, reading something in a Nigerian newspaper about Pastor Chris that is actually factual, wow! I’m so excited!!

Excerpts:

Chris:Where did Pastor Chris derive his power from?
Ime: Where Jesus derives his power
Chris: We are not talking about Jesus here; we are talking about Pastor Chris
Ime: Who is the object of Pastor Chris’ worship, is it Jesus?
Chris: I don’t know
Ime: You should know because in all his preachings he never mentioned any of the local deities such as ogun; sango, Ayelala; Olokun, or have you heard him say agbara, amadioha, etc? All you’ve heard him say is - Jesus. From where do you think he derives his power? Out of the abundance of the heart of a man, the mouth will speak. If you asked me where does he derive his power from? I will also ask you “whose name does he call?” If you answer that question and if your answer is Jesus then his power is derived from the Spirit of Christ.

@ paulipopo

u have done very well in expressing ur opinion and convictions. your opinion and position reflects an informed mind, knowledgble enough to ask sensitive questions. I commend ur guts and intellect and ur decision to limit ur contributions to issues.

while i defer to call oyakhilome a fraud, cos i m honestly not bothered, but my opinion cannot b far from urs.
none of the self proclaiming christian zealots antagonising u have been able to intellectually or reasonably address the issues u raised, they are evoking sentiments, mediocricy, hypocrisy and the "say nothing about a man of GOd mentality" . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

i was once a frequent worshipper in one of his churches when i was in Lautech. the doctrines they prophesed contradicted my personal convictions. as we all know morality is the yardstick for religion. . . . . the rest is history.

but to lend credence to d issues u earlier stated, . . . . . . . the commercialisation of miracles and the gospel is the only evidence needed to know a fake prophet or pastor.
let those who antagonise u ask them selves if oyakilomes version of the gospel and miracles is commercial or not?

noetic:

@ paulipopo

u have done very well in expressing your opinion and convictions. your opinion and position reflects an informed mind, knowledgble enough to ask sensitive questions. I commend your guts and intellect and your decision to limit your contributions to issues.

while i defer to call oyakhilome a fraud, because i m honestly not bothered, but my opinion cannot b far from urs.
none of the self proclaiming christian zealots antagonising u have been able to intellectually or reasonably address the issues u raised, they are evoking sentiments, mediocricy, hypocrisy and the "say nothing about a man of GOd mentality" . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

i was once a frequent worshipper in one of his churches when i was in Lautech. the doctrines they prophesed contradicted my personal convictions. as we all know morality is the yardstick for religion. . . . . the rest is history.

but to lend credence to d issues u earlier stated, . . . . . . . the commercialisation of miracles and the gospel is the only evidence needed to know a fake prophet or pastor.
let those who antagonise u ask them selves if oyakilomes version of the gospel and miracles is commercial or not?

Thank you for your honest appraisal and may God strengthen you by his word. Amen.

BUt na wah for una. If Chris Oyakhilome is a phony, which one concern you inside. You no know any 419 guys for your area?? Wetin you don do about am?? Mumu.

Leave the man alone and thank God say e never dupe you!!

And since you know the phonies from the legit, then I guess you are doing even better things than Jesus.  Good luck to you 'christians' removing the spec from other people's eyes while a mighty log is jammed in yours!!!

Well, miracle comes through the influence of the Holy Spirit backed by the name of Jesus christ. For miracle to happen, Holy spirit will use human agents. but when human agents begins to command Holy spirit, let the listener beware. Thats my own view anyway.

fotodaddy:

BUt na wah for una. If Chris Oyakhilome is a phony, which one concern you inside. You no know any 419 guys for your area?? Wetin you don do about am?? Mumu.

Leave the man alone and thank God say e never dupe you!!

And since you know the phonies from the legit, then I guess you are doing even better things than Jesus. Good luck to you 'christians' removing the spec from other people's eyes while a mighty log is jammed in yours!!!

Childish talk like this can only evoke sympathy. What a shame

paulipopo:

Childish talk like this can only evoke sympathy. What a shame

oga adult, sorry to have fallen below your lofty standards. Some of us are not as good as bringing people down as others. Extend your mercy to us sir!!!

donnie:

Thomas was not a Christian, he wasnt born again. He did not hv the life of God in Him. he did not have the Spirit of Christ. How could u make such a comparison?

Would you also claim that Peter, who denied Christ 3ce, did not have the life of God in him? Who are you, a mere mortal, to query the disciples that Christ Himself picked?

Are these the same people who cry foul when the anti-Christian gimmicks of their business man err sorry pastor is exposed?

donnie:

For your info please, i am not typing here to win any carnal arguement. . . I am speaking by revelation. What i recieve i put down.
The bible says, 'know ye no man after the flesh'. I am judging in the light of God's Word.

Such laughable nonsense. I've read all your "revelations" so far and they fall far outside the purview of the bible. Best to stop lying against the Holy Spirit.

Africankel:

If you asked me where does he derive his power from? I will also ask you “whose name does he call?” If you answer that question and if your answer is Jesus then his power is derived from the Spirit of Christ.

Please wait a minute! With no prejudice, this statement fell short of biblical truth and also shows an incomplete understanding of the scriptures

Matt 7:21
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

If you wait until a preacher calls the name of "Ayelala" or "Olokun" before you know him to be a false prophet, then you would have being decieved till thy kingdom come.
Nevertheless, I think I like Pastor Chris except for the way his male Pastors recieves "jerry curled hair" as part of the tenets of faith and his female Pastors dress in short skirts under the syndrome of "there is therefore no condemnation. . "
Shhhhhhh!  please "loveworlders" accept my apology if I have spoken  too much ,afterall its still a love world!

@paulipopo

The bible says He has given them over to a Lying Spirit. Did you think that spirit will call other names to gain power?
The greatest Army satan has raised is in the Church.


The true ones are out numbered by a thousand to one. The battle is not yours but the Lord. The false prophet like the one you have outlined here is Just a tip of the Iceburg. Satan is recruiting an army of false prophets and preachers to counter the The 'called out' Church.

As is was with Cain and Abel so is it the Church today.

Notice the Cain Church was Brutish and it killed of the righteous Church but the Blood of Abel was not silenced it cried for vengeance until the blood of the most high was slain to replace it.

Remember also the Church of Ichabod and that of Shiloh.

Samuel was the only member of the Church of Shiloh The Ichabod had so many followers. Number does not move God.


The Jesus Church at the time of his human life on earth was the pastor of the Church. he was never bothered about numbers.  The demon possesed Church is a Number Church. This is not to say that God hates number but that the Men of god(satan) want numbers so that can noise out the spirit of God yet he by his power will calm the noisome tempest with his still small voice PEACE BE STILL.

All heaven Watch as Pastor Chris goes into more Deception. Only God can save him it is no more in the Hand of men it has never been in the hand of man. You tried. Warn them is what the bible says.

fotodaddy:


Leave the man alone and thank God say e never dupe you!!

Please go over this rubbish you wrote here. Ask a sensible person to comment on it. I have nothing else to say to you.

@paulipopo
pls you've not answered my question,pls are you born again and pls where do you fellowship.thank you.

This thread was started by a retard and filled with retards

paulipopo:

Please go over this rubbish you wrote here. Ask a sensible person to comment on it. I have nothing else to say to you.

'Christian brother', Jesus will be so proud of your words to me!!

Pepeye:

This thread was started by a retard and filled with retards

I beg your pardon!!!

If u walk in love, u will pray 4 ur brothers and dwell in Love. This is ur primary assignment. Minus it, be u anything, the eternity in Christ will elude you!

@ detruth, My Dear, quite a wonderful sripture explaining your point, but the fact is, When studying a scripture like this, Study the tenses, notice what it says and it does not say, try to get one or more references regarding such sriptures, I'll like you to study the quote you gave from verse 1 (Matt.7:1-end), Aint it thesame bible that said in Mark 16:17 that these signs shall follow them that BELIEVE; IN MY NAME shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;, they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover!

@ davidylan: It will interest you to know that until Jesus arose from the dead, NOBODY COULD be born again!, Did you ever read in your bible that Jesus needed to be BORN again?, (Too big for the religious mind to comprehend). Yes! Jesus became born again the moment God raised Him from the dead, Acts 13:33, Revelation 1:5, Ask yourself, what is Christianity? Is it a religion? What is a religion? Why in the world did Jesus come? (John 10:10), What did He (Jesus bring?)

Africankel:

@ davidylan: It will interest you to know that until Jesus arose from the dead, NOBODY COULD be born again!,

The way some people just come and post utter rubbish on Nairaland what is the biblical basis of the above statement probably the rubbish the poster was told by an ill informed manipulative pastor. This is what the bible as to say about being born again and Jesus rising from the dead was not a pre-condition.

Passage John 3:3-16:

   3 Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, unless you are born again ,[a] you cannot see the Kingdom of God.”

   4 “What do you mean?” exclaimed Nicodemus. “How can an old man go back into his mother’s womb and be born again?”

   5 Jesus replied, “I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit. 6 Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life.[c] 7 So don’t be surprised when I say, ‘You[d] must be [b]born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it wants. Just as you can hear the wind but can’t tell where it comes from or where it is going, so you can’t explain how people are born of the Spirit.”

   9 “How are these things possible?” Nicodemus asked.

   10 Jesus replied, “You are a respected Jewish teacher, and yet you don’t understand these things? 11 I assure you, we tell you what we know and have seen, and yet you won’t believe our testimony. 12 But if you don’t believe me when I tell you about earthly things, how can you possibly believe if I tell you about heavenly things? 13 No one has ever gone to heaven and returned. But the Son of Man[e] has come down from heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the bronze snake on a pole in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, 15 so that everyone who believes in him will have eternal life.[f]

   16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.