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This is one of the reasons why all this things are only but guess work, the Igbo land extends to even the Yoruba land of today, the Egba people in Yoruba land are Igbo's. The Egba yoruba people of Kwarra state called IGBO- MINA still retains the more original name changed from Igbo to Egba and the Igbo people can also be found in the area of southern Sudan and northern Uganda, does the name dafor reminds you of anything?, the Yoruba's were invaders, eat this:
http://messageboard.biafranigeriaworld.com/ultimatebb.cgi/ubb/get_topic/f/1/t/001324.html

Haha! Igbo is pronounced nothing like Egba, only when its written is it apparent. Igbo means 'bush' in yoruba, and does not sound like the name of the Igbo people, it has different accent. Egba comes from 'Egbalugbo' wanderer. What strong evidence is there--it is only apparent to a literate person, which most of us Africans were not back then! No Egba man would tell you that he is Igbo! I am new to this post, but you seem pretty ignorant, my friend.

NINETOFIVE:

This is one of the reasons why all this things are only but guess work, the Igbo land extends to even the Yoruba land of today, the Egba people in Yoruba land are Igbo's.

erm, does that mean OBJ is Igbo?

mochafella:

erm, does that mean OBJ is Igbo?

LMAO!

Someone's been watching Dave Chappelle's Race Draft. . . but no, ya'll can keep him. . .and Condoleeza.

NINETOFIVE:

This is one of the reasons why all this things are only but guess work, the Igbo land extends to even the Yoruba land of today, the Egba people in Yoruba land are Igbo's. The Egba yoruba people of Kwarra state called IGBO- MINA still retains the more original name changed from Igbo to Egba and the Igbo people can also be found in the area of southern Sudan and northern Uganda, does the name dafor reminds you of anything?, the Yoruba's were invaders, eat this:
http://messageboard.biafranigeriaworld.com/ultimatebb.cgi/ubb/get_topic/f/1/t/001324.html

Kai! Please o, don't allow the Egba people to hear this[i] laughable [/i] claim o! Egba people are certainly NOT Igbo and did not migrate from Igbo land. They have a unique history. They are full-blooded Yoruba people and are proud of their heritage! Their language, customs, names etc. are totally Yoruba in form, syntax and etymology.

Please kindly refrain from quoting unsubstantiated, faulty claims. Just because a statement was made by someone, somewhere, doesn't mean that it is 100% true! Please refer to the following websites for more information about the Egba people:

http://www.egbaegbado.org/index.html

http://lucy.ukc.ac.uk/YorubaT/yt1.html

In this article titled THE YORUBA TODAY by J.S. Eades

which was originally published by Cambridge University Press in 1980, the author states clearly:

, Of the three states created in 1976, Oyo State is the largest, both in area and population. It is also the most homogeneous in dialect and culture. Most of it either formed part of the Oyo kingdom or was settled by Oyo refugees in the 19th century. Within it, four subgroups can be distinguished: Ife, Oyo, Ijesa and Igbomina. Ife and Oyo occupy a central position in Yoruba history, Ife, as the mythical home of the Yoruba, and Oyo as the most powerful kingdom until the early 19th century. The major Yoruba rulers, together with the Oba of Benin, trace their descent from Oduduwa, the mythical founder of Ife. In some versions of the myth he created the world at Ile-Ife: in others he arrived from outside. The sons (or grandsons) of Oduduwa are said to have dispersed to found the other kingdoms, though how many sons there were and which kingdoms they founded vary from version to version.

You can also read this book:

Egba and Their Neighbours 1842-1872
by Saburi O. Biobaku
128pp. 1991 University Press, Nigeria

mochafella:

erm, does that mean OBJ is Igbo?

Tee-hee-hee! Wait, lemme stop laughing, first, !

Haha, Funny to see more and more people exposing 925's ignorance. My guy hides somewhere in Eastern Europe dishing out these ridiculous tales.

By the way, my grandma is from Asaba and they do not really consider themselves as Igbo. She tells me that when she brought her kids from Anambra to Asaba, the Asaba people used to say "those kids from Igbo did this and that" when they got in trouble or something. Something like "Umuazi ahu si Igbo bia melu nka or nke ozo". Just pointing this out, Delta Igbos recognize they're not really Igbos per se, they have their roots somwhere else.

Donzman:

Haha, Funny to see more and more people exposing 925's ignorance. My guy hides somewhere in Eastern Europe dishing out these ridiculous tales.

By the way, my grandma is from Asaba and they do not really consider themselves as Igbo. She tells me that when she brought her kids from Anambra to Asaba, the Asaba people used to say "those kids from Igbo did this and that" when they got in trouble or something. Something like "Umuazi ahu si Igbo bia melu nka or nke ozo". Just pointing this out, Delta Igbos recognize they're not really Igbos per se, they have their roots somwhere else.

No wonder why you have some questionable Character, don't ask me what I mean.

Questionable character?, My mother isn't from Asaba, her mother (i.e. my grandmother) is from there. They are perfectly good and hardworking people by the way. They're not hypocrites who tell people how bad whites are but turn around to get married to one. They treat Igbos people from the other side of the Niger as one and won't hesitate to marry them.

Donzman:

Questionable character?, My mother isn't from Asaba, her mother (i.e. my grandmother) is from there. They are perfectly good and hardworking people by the way. They're not hypocrites who tell people how bad whites are but turn around to get married to one. They treat Igbos people from the other side of the Niger as one and won't hesitate to marry them.

You don't need to school me on Asaba Issue, my best friend is from Asaba and he claims he is a full fledged Igbo man, if you want to see more of Deltans with identity crisis think of people from Ukwuani.

They're not hypocrites who tell people how bad whites are but turn around to get married to one. They treat Igbos people from the other side of the Niger as one and won't hesitate to marry them

I only explained my experiences, am not here to determine whom and whom you should be dealing with, you are mixing things up here, am not a racist to do that, am only being real, and that includes telling the truth no matter what., at least am a man enough to do that.

Your friend who shouldn't be more than 60 definitely does not know how Deltans thought about people on the other side of the Niger back in the days. They  Anamba, Imo, Abia, Enugu and co. "Igbo" and they are "Umu Ahaba" or something like that. If they thought they were full fledged Igbos why would they refer to my mom and her siblings as "Umuazi ahu si Igbo bia"?, Sometimes I think you argue for the fun of it. I'm working now, I need to concentrate.

They think of themselves as Igbo speaking people of Bini origin which is actually where they come from.

Remember that in Onitsha in the past people used words like Nwa onyigbo, how about that.

Onitsha and Asaba people have same roots, same thing applies!

so Donzman by your argument,Onitsha people are not Igbos either.
My brother please don't sound ridiculous.
There are Asaba and agbor and ogwashi people in Igbo association everywhere including ohaneze you insult them by these statements.

I'm not insulting anybody. I'm just telling you how they view themselves, they refer to us as Igbos, they are Igbos in tradition, culture and all but their roots are not in Igbo. It's common knowledge, is this the first time you've heard this?, Have you ever been to Asaba? The older people will refer to you as "onye si Igbo bia". Delta Igbos/Onitsha people are originally from Benin, they're Igbos now but amongst the older traditional folks, you can still get it from their language that Asaba is not their original home.

and do you know that history says Igbos in Igboland migrated from around the confluence of Niger and Benue 500 years ago?
There is no original home everyone came from somewhere

It's relative, people from my village never tell the story of them migrating from here and there, all that one na science. Asaba and Onitsha people came from Benin, that is oral history they've passed on from generation from generation, no white man archaeological science.

Hmmn, if the Onitsha people migrated from Benin, why do they often discriminate against people from that area?

They had disputes with people from that area, they packed up and headed east in search of a new land/life. Some crossed the Niger to form Onitsha, others stayed just on the shore, Asaba, Umunede, Agbo etcetera. This is something I learnt in primary school ( I grew up in Onitsha so maybe that helps).

Here is a brief history - http://www.edofolks.com/html/pub32.htm

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lioness:

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Where you dey go, now? Talk your own, jare!

if the yorubas where invaders then where did we come from

Honestly as a Yoruba that thread you posted 925 is all new information to me and I am very skeptical of this whole notion of Egba Yoruba and there being original people in South West Nigeria occupying present day Oyo, Eko, and so on. What is even worse is that thread implies the invading Yoruba sold the "Egba Yoruba" as slaves.

If Yorubas where invaders we had to come from somewhere. So where did we come from and where did the Yoruba language come from if we where not originally in SOuthwest Nigeria?

Shango, you came from a calabash moulded by Oduduwa.

cmon Donzman lol seriously, we are not talking mythology here. I admit I do not know much history of the origin of tribes and so on.

In the earlier pages of this thread, i spoke my mind and am still standing by it.

Ikwerre na Ikwerre, Igbo na Igbo. No need trying to merge iraq and iran as one just because they speaking similar prefixes

laudate:

Where you dey go, now? Talk your own, jare!

shango:

cmon Donzman lol seriously, we are not talking mythology here. I admit I do not know much history of the origin of tribes and so on.

You don't even know anything about tribe and you are coming to argue with me, what a shame I wasted my time.

To Shango,

shango:

if the yorubas where invaders then where did we come from

This is the perfect question for you to ask yourself, but you guys brandish Oduduwa as the founder of the Yoruba's and you can't even tell where he was from,  maybe Oduduwa is from the outer space, can you even tell me the literal meaning of the word Oduduwa I challenge you cause the word has meaning in Igbo language.

Honestly as a Yoruba that thread you posted 925 is all new information to me and I am very skeptical of this whole notion of Egba Yoruba and there being original people in South West Nigeria occupying present day Oyo, Eko, and so on. What is even worse is that thread implies the invading Yoruba sold the "Egba Yoruba" as slaves.

That's why you should first go and read up before getting into some baselees arguments, if we continue to argue you will see in the nearest future that this is not the only stuff you don't know.

If Yorubas where invaders we had to come from somewhere. So where did we come from and where did the Yoruba language come from if we where not originally in SOuthwest Nigeria?

If you guys said that you and the Benin people are related and there is a country called Benin Republic and they speak Yoruba language then you should be looking that way.


THE EGBA YORUBA

(AN AFRICAN - AMERICAN LINK TO IGBO ORIGINS)

BY ISHAQ AL - SULAIMANI
(NWANNE DI NAMBA NDI IGBO)
ishaqa777@hotmail.com

ANYONE WHO HAS EVER TAKEN A SERIOUS INTEREST IN THE SLAVE TRADE AND THE TRIBAL ORIGINS OF AFRICAN - AMERICANS WOULD MOST LIKELY UNDERSTAND THAT THERE WAS A SIGNIFICANT YORUBA ELEMENT AMONGST THE AFRICAN CAPTIVES WHO WERE TAKEN TO THE AMERICAS. THE PURPOSE OF THIS WRITING IS TO FURTHER SUPPORT RESEARCH THAT PROVES THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE SLAVES BROUGHT TO THE AMERICAS WERE IGBOS BY ACKNOWLEDGING THE YORUBA ELEMENT TO BE IGBO AS WELL.

IN ADDITION TO THE MASSIVE AMOUNT OF IGBOS DOCUMENTED AND ACKNOWLEDGED TO HAVE BEEN SHIPPED DIRECTLY OUT OF THE IGBO DOMINATED AREAS OF THE NIGER DELTA,MILLIONS OF OTHERS WERE BROUGHT TO THE AMERICAS FROM IGBO SLAVE COLONIES WHICH WERE ESTABLISHED ALL OVER THE AFRICAN CONTINENT AND THUS ARRIVED UNDER A VARIETY OF NATIONAL AND TRIBAL LISTINGS. SLAVES CLASSIFIED AS ASHANTE WERE ACTUALLY IGBOS WHO WERE IMPORTED TO GHANA BY PORTUGUESE JEWISH SLAVE TRADERS TO WORK THE GOLD MINES. OTHERS LISTED AS ANGOLAN WERE ALSO IGBOS. SOME IGBOS WERE IMPORTED TO ANGOLA PRIOR TO THEIR ARRIVAL IN THE AMERICAS, OTHERS WERE BORN AND RAISED IN THE IGBO SLAVE COLONY OF ANGOLA. THE YORUBA CLASSIFICATION PROVED TO BE NO EXCEPTION TO THE RULE, AS THOSE SLAVES DOCUMENTED TO BE YORUBA WERE MORE SPECIFICALLY REFERRED TO AS EGBA yoruba were more specifically referred to as EGBA YORUBA. THE WORD EGBA IS A DERIVATION OF IGBO( EGBA,EGBO IGBO) AS THE EGBA YORUBA ARE OF IGBO ORIGINS.

SOUTHEAST NIGERIA MARKS THE LOCATION OF THE PRESENT DAY IGBO TRIBE. HOWEVER INITIALLY THE IGBO WERE THE RULERS OF THE ENTIRE SOUTH INCLUDING THE SOUTHWEST WHICH IS CURRENTLY CLASSIFIED AS YORUBA TERRITORY. THE YORUBA FIRST ENTERED THE SOUTHWEST PART OF NIGERIA AS INVADERS AND COLONIZERS OF THE ORIGINAL IGBO INHABITANTS WHO LATER BECAME KNOWN AS THE EGBA YORUBA. THE YORUBA(oyo,ijebu etc.) invasion was led by a man named ODUDWA WHO IS CONSIDERED TO BE THE " FOUNDING FATHER " OF THE PRESENT DAY YORUBA PEOPLE. TO THIS DAY YORUBA INDEPENDENCE MOVEMENTS STILL EXIST WITH THE HOPE OF ESTABLISHING THE INDEPENDENT YORUBA NATION OF WHICH THEY WISH TO CALL ODUDWA. THE DEFEAT AND CONQUEST OF THE IGBOS IN SOUTHWEST NIGERIA IS CELEBRATED EVERY YEAR BY THE YORUBA AT THE ANNUAL EID FESTIVAL(THE KINGDOM OF THE YORUBA - ROBERT SMITH 3RD EDITION UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN PRESS)

ONE OF THE LARGER YORUBA TRIBES ARE CALLED THE IJEBU. IT IS AN ESTABLISHED FACT THAT THE IJEBU WERE SELLING EGBA IN MASS NUMBERS DURING THE SLAVE TRADE. THE CITY IJEBU - IGBO STILL EXISTS IN THE YORUBA HEARTLAND WHICH NOT ONLY REFLECTS THE EARLIER IGBO HISTORY IN THE SOUTHWEST BUT FURTHER SERVES AS A MEMORY CONCERNING THE USAGE OF IGBO PRIOR TO THE TRANSFORMATION TO EGBA IN THAT PARTICULAR REGION. IN ADDITION TO THE EGBA THERE REMAINS A YORUBA TRIBE THAT LIVES IN THE KWARRA STATE WHICH CONTINUES TO USE THE MORE ORIGINAL IGBO AS PART OF THEIR TRIBAL NAME AS THEY ARE CALLED THE IGBO - MINA TRIBE. THE USAGE OF THE TERM EGBA WAS INSTITUTED TO DECLARE A STATE OF SECRECY AMONGST CERTAIN IGBOS. THE CURRENT IGBOS OF SOUTHEAST NIGERIA CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN EGBO AS A SECRET SOCIETY WHILE THE SAME TERM EGBA REFERS TO OTHER SECRET IGBO TRIBES.

1. EGBO - A SECRET SOCIETY AT ONE TIME EXISTING AS A POLITICAL BOND BETWEEN VARIOUS TOWNS ESPECIALLY EASTERN NIGERIA - WORLD BOOK DICTIONARY A - K 1974

2. EGBA - A CONFEDERATION OF NEGRO TRIBES NORTH OF THE SLAVE COAST- FUNK AND WAGNALS NEW STANDARD DICTIONARY OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE - 1963

ALTHOUGH THE CONCEPT OF LEGBA VARIES IT BEGAN AS AN ANCESTRAL MEMORIAL DESIGNED TO MAINTAIN THE IGBO IDENTITY DURING TIMES WHEN TRHE IGBO DECLARED THEMSELVES TO BE IN A STATE OF SECRECY CALLED EGBA. LEGBA WAS NOT ONLY USED TO FEND OFF INVADING AFRICAN TRIBES BUT WAS ALSO ACTIVATED IN THE NEW WORLD TO COUNTER MODERN SLAVERY AND ITS ATTEMPTS TO WIPE OUT THE EGBA(igbo) IDENTITY OF THE CAPTIVES. THE DEITY LEGBA IS DESCRIBED IN YORUBA MYTHOLOGY AS THE DIVINE TRICKSTER WHO WIELDS GREAT POWER BECAUSE OF HIS ABILITY TO OUTWIT HIS FELLOW GODS. EVIDENCES OF LEGBA HAVE BEEN DOCUMENTED THROUGHOUT THE AMERICAS IN SUCH PLACES AS BRAZIL, GUIANA, TRINIDAD, HAITI AND NEW ORLEANS UNDER VARIOUS NAMES SUCH AS LEBBA, LEGBA, ELEGBARRA AND LIBA.

THE TERM ELEGBARRA OR LUGBARRA IS OF GREAT SIGNIFICANCE BECAUSE NOT ONLY DOES THE NAME APPEAR IN THE AMERICAS AMONGST THE EGBA SLAVES WHO ARE OF IGBO ORIGIN BUT IT IS ALSO THE NAME OF A TRIBE THAT LIVES IN SOUTHERN SUDAN AND NORTHERN UGANDA WHO ARE LIKEWISE RELATED TO THE IGBOS OF NIGERIA. WHEN TRAVELLING IN UGANDA I PERSONALLY MET A LUGBARRA MEDICAL DOCTOR WHO PREVIOUSLY STUDIED ALONGSIDE OF IGBOS FROM NIGERIA.THE LUGBARRA STATED THAT HE COULD UNDERSTAND MUCH OF THE IGBO LANGUAGE WHICH NATURALLY HAD MUCH IN COMMON WITH HIS OWN LUGBARRA TONGUE. THE DOCTOR WAS CONVINCED THAT THE LUGBARRA AND THE IGBO WERE DEFINITELY AKIN.THE LUGBARRA TRIBE LIVES ALONGSIDE OF AND ARE RELATED TO THE KAKWA TRIBE. IT IS FROM THE KAKWA THAT ACCOUNTS FOR THE USAGE OF KWA AMONGST THE IGBO. THIS INCLUDES BOTH THE IGBO AND EGBA LANGUAGES BEING CLASSIFIED AS KWA LANGUAGES AND SUCH NAMES AS THE KWA IBO RIVER.

IN 1967, HAITI BECAME THE ONLY COUNTRY OUTSIDE OF AFRICA TO RECOGNIZE BIAFRAN INDEPENDENCE.THIS WAS DUE TO THE HAITIANS MEMORY OF THEIR OWN IGBO REVOLUTIONARY PAST. THE NUMEROUS AND SUCCESSFUL SLAVE REVOLTS IN HAITI ARE CLEARLY ACKNOWLEDGED AND DOCUMENTED AS IGBO UPRISINGS, BUT YET WE FIND THE STRONGEST PRESENCE OF THE ANCESTRAL DEITY LEGBA AMONGST THE HAITIANS. IN HAITI LEGBA IS DESCRIBED AS THE MOST POWERFUL OF ALL OF THE LOA. HE IS THE GUARDIAN OF THE GATE BETWEEN THE MATERIAL AND SPIRITUAL WORLD. HE HAS GREAT WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE OF THE PAST AND THE FUTURE. EVERY RITUAL BEGINS WITH A SACRIFICE TO LEGBA. HE IS THE GUARDIAN OF THE SUN AND HIS COLOR IS BLACK. THE GUARDIAN OF THE SUN IS MOST LIKELY A CODE FOR THE LAND OF THE RISING SUN WHICH IS BIAFRA. IN SUMMARY THE SLAVES TAKEN TO THE AMERICAS AND CLASSIFIED AS YORUBA WERE EGBA MEANING IGBO.

925

so wat does ODUDUWA mean in igbo

according to wat i was taught in pri school there was also another guy sent i think his name is ORI, cant remenber fully but he cam b4 oduduwa and was drunk with wine he could not accomplish his tasks

in the same mythology i was schooled that benin's are from oduduwa first daughter , so did oduduwa come with his wife to start the yoruba kingdom?

I hate this irrational bullshit history people try to push on here. There are many ways you can find out the literal meaning of "Oduduwa", instead of coming up with your ridiculous revisionist history. It means the bringer of knowledge and character, i.e. O (hun) odu (knowledge) iwa (character). That refers to his role as the mythical creator of the system of divine kingship at Ile-Ife that spread to most of Yorubaland and beyond in southern Nigeria. I bet you don't know that Oduduwa isn't even always considered a man or a king. Your attempt to give the "true Igbo" meaning of the word just confirms that you have some sort of inferiority complex about your ethnic history and you're trying to co-opt other people's. If "Igbo" means "bush" or "forest" in Yoruba, can we safely assume that it's the "true hidden" meaning of your ethnic group? Not really, right? If "obi" means "kola nut" in Yoruba and "meeting house" (or king, alternatively) in Igbo, does that mean that Igbo political meeting houses and kings were really kola nuts Igbos have a proud and distinguished history--you should try and familiarize yourself with it.

"Egbo" and "Egba" are two different, unrelated terms--Egbo is not even a word in the Igbo language; it's a misspelling of an Efik/Ibibio term for a fraternal society. I'm sure Egba people would be flattered that you're so enamored by their culture that you want to claim it as your own, but there's no basis for what you (or Ishaq etc.) is proposing here. LOL @ some of this stuff--Igbomina means Igbo-Mina? Perhaps the Mina people in Togo might dispute it and say they were the original western Nigerians until the Igbos made them flee to Ghana and Togo . Instead of talking about or learning about the unity of southern Nigerian languages and cultures, which all come from the same ancestral source at the Niger-Benue confluence, you're selling this faulty garbage to people who might not know better. Nobody came from ancient Egypt to invade Nigeria (I always wonder what supposedly happened to all the other cultures in between when I hear stuff like this). Yes, we are all related, not just Yoruba and Edo, but Igbo, Igala, Idoma, Nupe etc. All belonging to the Benue-Congo language family, which stretches all the way to southern Africa. That's something to be celebrated, not this pseudo-history you're feeding people through the anonymity of the Internet. Sorry you are not satisfied with the great merits and achievements of your people on their own terms, but you can't hi-jack Egba history to make yourself feel better. Linguistics and history aren't your strong suit--leave it to the professionals, please. I recommend Prof. Elizabeth Ischchei or Dr. Adiele Afigbo for Igbo history. If you want to learn more about Yorubas (including the Egba ) you can consult books by Dr. Toyin Falola or Dr. Biobaku.

--Edit--I just read this thread and saw that Laudate has already pointed out the flaws in that ridiculous essay.

Anyone interested in learning about Yoruba history can start with Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoruba_people . Yes, it's open to being edited by anyone, but there are people out there who make sure that this page and several others are kept accurate

Ishaq Al-Sulaimani or whoever has no scholarly background and doesn't even know much about Igbo mythology/history apparently, talk less of Yoruba.

tthank you TerraCotta, because this nonsense about the origins or Yoruba people and how alot of different yoruba are really Igbo just doesnt gel with reality. And 925 the article you posted about Ijebu and other Yoruba tribes, it doesnt make much sense. Its like the writer tries to make every tribe that was sold as slaves as Igbo and there was this consipracy of missclassification of slaves. I mean seriously who in the West was doing this classification anyway? Did slavetraders care or document which tribes their slaves where from. Infact didnt they purposely seperate slaves and families so no bonds could be formed or kinship would be broken to quel slave revolts when they arrived on the shores of the so called "New World"?

That writer says the Ashante where really Igbo, The Ijebu where really Igbo, the Angolans where really Igbo, where does it stop? Why are you trying so hard to make Africans in forced diaspora via slavery as ALL IGBO. There where different tribes, and in South America especially the majority where Yoruba, and this is clear as day with the survival of language and yoruba mythology. This cannot even be disputed. People in Brazil, Cuba, and other latin countries have religions like Santamaria and Lucumi which have gods like Shango, Oduduwa and so on.

Now you are trying to say Oduduwa has Igbo origins?

I am all for being inclusive as we are all members of the human family but misrepresenting and putting down other cultures doesnt help in inclusiveness. We should respect each others cultures and its origins and strengths and weaknesses.

This is what I think:

"can you tell Yorubas, Igbos, and Hausas apart by sight? I think I can, most of the time."

I think you'd be wrong, unless you were talking about Hausa people with Fulbe or Arab blood. Looking at the distribution of the Benue-Congo language group of which both Yoruba and Igbo are members, as well as the current location of Igala speakers (whose language is even more closely related to Yoruba than is Igbo), it's clear that they all have a central shared origin dating back a few thousand years to somewhere in the Middle Belt region of Nigeria before fanning out southwards, so it would be incredible if genetic differences were such that one could say "Oh, he must be Igbo" or "She must be Yoruba" just from a picture.

http://foreigndispatches.typepad.com/dispatches/2005/09/ethnic_particul.html

To TerraCotta,

TerraCotta:

I hate this irrational bullshit history people try to push on here. There are many ways you can find out the literal meaning of "Oduduwa", instead of coming up with your ridiculous revisionist history. It means the bringer of knowledge and character, i.e. O (hun) odu (knowledge) iwa (character). That refers to his role as the mythical creator of the system of divine kingship at Ile-Ife that spread to most of Yorubaland and beyond in southern Nigeria. I bet you don't know that Oduduwa isn't even always considered a man or a king.

The meaning you gave is not credible and at the same time looks utterly silly, infact the meaning is ludicrous to absurdity, is very transparent that the Yoruba's could not find the meaning of the word and they are just trying to squeeze in any word that looks in the list close to some fragments of the words in the word Oduduwa



1, Odu is a slang word that is not very old, and Odu can be used in different forms and the most popular way people use ''Odu'' is like when you say ''plan'' or like ''secret'', Odu in the history of popular Yoruba language has never been associated with character, so associating Odu with character is only but a latter thinking.


2, Uwa and Iwa are two different words but Uwa can transform to Iwa depending on the way or in the context the two words were used, I will not be bashing you here, but to be accurate Uwa means world in Igbo language.


3, Using ''O'' to coin out Ohun is silly and Childish.


Now what is the meaning of ODUDUWA in Yoruba language.

Your attempt to give the "true Igbo" meaning of the word just confirms that you have some sort of inferiority complex about your ethnic history and you're trying to co-opt other people's.

Using the word inferiority complex paints a picture of some one trying to get back at Ninetofive due to the anger and shame of previous Bottom whopping, relax bro is not that seroius and the last time I checked the author of this write up making you so mad is not even an Igbo but a Yoruba or what can I say  ISHAQ AL SULAIMAN sounds Yoruba to me.

If "Igbo" means "bush" or "forest" in Yoruba, can we safely assume that it's the "true hidden" meaning of your ethnic group? Not really, right?

This word has dual meanings in Yoruba language, Igbo also means head boot, makes your argument lame, isn't it?.

If "obi" means "kola nut" in Yoruba and "meeting house" (or king, alternatively) in Igbo, does that mean that Igbo political meeting houses and kings were really kola nuts

This word is equally of duals meanings, Obi also means parent in Yoruba language, makes all your argument some nonsensical one hell of an argument, your argument is getting lesser and lesser puissant, can't you see.  

Igbos have a proud and distinguished history--you should try and familiarize yourself with it.

Yes you are right about that but it unfortunately extends to even the south west.

"Egbo" and "Egba" are two different, unrelated terms--Egbo is not even a word in the Igbo language; it's a misspelling of an Efik/Ibibio term for a fraternal society.

If you don't understand a language do not sound silly by making a statement you can't defend, ignorance is not a substitute for inteligence, how can you stupidly say that Egbo is not an Igbo word, then how is these Igbo word ''Aja Egbo'' [meaning sarcrifice has protected]' is it not Just like you said nsibidi is the early writting system of the Ibibio?, point of correction their own version is Nisibidi, obviosly Igbos are related with Ibibio eficks etc.

I'm sure Egba people would be flattered that you're so enamored by their culture that you want to claim it as your own,

Quit being sentimental and try to make sense in these argument, cause am sorry you don't seem to make any sense.

but there's no basis for what you (or Ishaq etc.) is proposing here. LOL @ some of this stuff--Igbomina means Igbo-Mina?

These rather supports my arguments than negate it, are you just being naive?.

Perhaps the Mina people in Togo might dispute it and say they were the original western Nigerians until the Igbos made them flee to Ghana and Togo

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The Delta Igbos equally happend to have left the same region almost the same time, who made who flee? the answer is very obvious.

Instead of talking about or learning about the unity of southern Nigerian languages and cultures, which all come from the same ancestral source at the Niger-Benue confluence, you're selling this faulty garbage to people who might not know better. Nobody came from ancient Egypt to invade Nigeria (I always wonder what supposedly happened to all the other cultures in between when I hear stuff like this).

It seems you like to pick things that favor you more or is your case just that of apostasy?, this is an extract from the link you gave:


Origin Myth
Several versions of the Yoruba origin exist, the most popular of which revolves around a figure named Oduduwa. As recorded by one of the earliest Yoruba historians, Reverend Samuel Johnson (an Ọyọ convert to Christianity), Oduduwa was the head of an invading army from the East (a locale often identified with Mecca, Egypt, the Sudan, or northeastern Nigeria) who established the constitutional monarchic system of government amongst the indigenous population he found.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoruba_people


Have you ever bothered to think whom the Indegenious porpulation Oduduwa would have met were and try to contextualize it with ISHAQ AL - SULAIMANI account, all the rubbish you believe on face values and present as almighty proves to validate your statemaent are mostly myths and I have no time for any mythological statement, arguments should be based on facts, fortunately I go by facts not myths.

Yes, we are all related, not just Yoruba and Edo, but Igbo, Igala, Idoma, Nupe etc. All belonging to the Benue-Congo language family, which stretches all the way to southern Africa. That's something to be celebrated,

The fact that we are all related is not in despute here, but how it happened is what we are trying to determine, stop feeding people your mythological crap, we are backward because we believe more on myths than facts, myths makes you look silly, cause myth is unreal and unintelectual.

not this pseudo-history you're feeding people through the anonymity of the Internet. Sorry you are not satisfied with the great merits and achievements of your people on their own terms, but you can't hi-jack Egba history to make yourself feel better.

The last time I checked my name is not ISHAQ AL - SULAIMANI, how does that surmount to me Hi-jacking Egba history, when are you going to stop whinning and get real.


the meaning of Oduduwa in igbo.


1,  The word ODUDUWA originated from the word ODUDUNWA [meaning '' the last born, the most junior or the last to come]
Origin Myth
Several versions of the Yoruba origin exist, the most popular of which revolves around a figure named Oduduwa. As recorded by one of the earliest Yoruba historians, Reverend Samuel Johnson (an Ọyọ convert to Christianity), Oduduwa was the head of an invading army from the East (a locale often identified with Mecca, Egypt, the Sudan, or northeastern Nigeria) who established the constitutional monarchic system of government amongst the indigenous population he found.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoruba_people


and If you go by the this illustration above, Oduduwa would have gotten this name from the then Indegenious porpulation he came to meet in the western Nigeria, they would have adressed him as the last, junior or the newest menber of the family.


2, If you decide to go without the ODUDUNWA theory, then you are left with the word ODUDUWA, it still points to the same direction, cause ODUDUWA means ''the young world or the last world, ie the last world that came to join the old world.


I fail to see where any of these negates ISHAQ AL - SULAIMANI illustration.