Who Is Allah? by Gamine(f): 1:41pm On Sep 17, 2008 |
Who is this Allah by G.J.O Moshay.
I came across this book, the day before yesterday.
My friend told me that many copies of it were destroyed sometime ago
and The muslims pronounced a Fatwa on it/him.
I scanned through the book and i could understand their fear.
For a Religion based on the Insecurities and Insanity of one person
it has really gone far, amazing.infact.
I just want to know if anyother person has come across the book,
what you think and what the Muslims have to say on it 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Who Is Allah? by KunleOshob(m): 1:49pm On Sep 17, 2008 |
aaahhhh gamine, you are looking for trouble oh! or do you want Olabowale to place a fatwa on you |
Re: Who Is Allah? by Gamine(f): 1:53pm On Sep 17, 2008 |
Olabowale cant touch me , even though he wants to oh . Im looking for Answers, not Trouble pls oh |
Re: Who Is Allah? by Nobody: 2:02pm On Sep 17, 2008 |
this thread to be removed in 48 hrs. |
Re: Who Is Allah? by KunleOshob(m): 2:06pm On Sep 17, 2008 |
48hrs is tooo long, more like 24hrs! |
Re: Who Is Allah? by Gamine(f): 2:29pm On Sep 17, 2008 |
han han. If it is removed then . . . . . . |
Re: Who Is Allah? by PastorAIO: 2:40pm On Sep 17, 2008 |
davidylan:
this thread to be removed in 48 hrs.
KunleOshob:
48hrs is tooo long, more like 24hrs!
These prophecies remind me of a thread where someone claimed that we would end up at some church praying at the feet of a certain pastor by the end of the month, or something like that. That month has passed. I can't remember the thread, can someone remind me please. I have to bring it up again. |
Re: Who Is Allah? by Backslider(m): 2:41pm On Sep 17, 2008 |
I Read that book it really helped me understand God, because I used to think there was no way God will allow all the millions Muslims to go to Hell. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Who Is Allah? by rampagain: 2:57pm On Sep 17, 2008 |
LMAO gamine,so d thread is till on?maybe d moderators r sleeping where is olabowale?im sure he hasnt seen it |
Re: Who Is Allah? by AKO1(m): 3:13pm On Sep 17, 2008 |
Sorry guys but all threads concerning Islam come to this section. And Mukina will decide the fate of the thread! |
Re: Who Is Allah? by obinna5000(m): 3:24pm On Sep 17, 2008 |
@Gamine, Try posting this topic in the Islamic section. |
Re: Who Is Allah? by dotman(m): 3:45pm On Sep 17, 2008 |
why do u christians always seek to want to find. have u ever read any part of the Quran before.I havent read the book who is this Allah but i know its another plot to ridicle we muslims.May Allah judge us all according to our handy work. |
Re: Who Is Allah? by Queenisha: 4:17pm On Sep 17, 2008 |
Gamine:
Who is this Allah by G.J.O Moshay.
I came across this book, the day before yesterday.
My friend told me that many copies of it were destroyed sometime ago
and The muslims pronounced a Fatwa on it/him.
I scanned through the book and i could understand their fear.
For a Religion based on the Insecurities and Insanity of one person
it has really gone far, amazing.infact.
I just want to know if anyother person has come across the book,
what you think and what the Muslims have to say on it
an excerpt from the book. Who Is This Allah?, G. J. O. Moshay, 1994, p 138
"Historians like Vaqqidi have said Allah was actually the chief of the 360 gods [one for each day of the year] being worshipped in Arabia at the time Muhammad rose to prominence. Ibn Al-Kalbi gave 27 names of pre-Islamic deities, Interestingly, not many Muslims want to accept that Allah was already being worshipped at the Ka'ba in Mecca by Arab pagans before Muhammad came. Some Muslims become angry when they are confronted with this fact. But history is not on their side. Pre-Islamic literature has proved this." (Who Is This Allah?, G. J. O. Moshay, 1994, p 138) http://www.penfoldbooks.com/product/55/326 http://www.chick.com/catalog/books/0171.asp 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Who Is Allah? by Gamine(f): 4:23pm On Sep 17, 2008 |
@Dotman. A plot to Ridicule? You dont need anyone to ridicule anything. Islam is already doing that by itself. About Reading the Quran. . . . i know i have mentioned before on NL who i once was. Allah is not even the name of God almighty in arabic or waever |
Re: Who Is Allah? by Mustay(m): 4:34pm On Sep 17, 2008 |
Gamine:
For a Religion based on the Insecurities and Insanity of one person
Perhaps the most telling moment of the day was when a student refused to sign the petition, saying “I like The Da Vinci Code.” When asked why, he responded matter-of-factly, “I like The Da Vinci Code because I hate Christianity.” This statement begs the question: Why does The Da Vinci Code make the enemies of Christianity so happy? When affirmations like this are being made, should not this be a cause of concern to Christians? Why do some Catholics still brush it off as mere fiction? When will they wake up?
I haven't read the book but i've googled it and some say Allah's paradise is like a [i]PLAYBOY dream[/i]n and bla bla bla. So Gamine, what insanity have you discovered? is it in the person who wrote the book or the religion of Islam? |
Re: Who Is Allah? by Mustay(m): 4:37pm On Sep 17, 2008 |
Gamine:
Islam is already doing that by itself.
i hope you don't come here with a 'closed' mind like some do. if you believe, you've made up your mind via the book or wareva that "Allah is whoever you think he is", then the purpose of a forum is defeated. the difference between the media is that a book only allows the writer(s)' view while the forum accepts alot |
Re: Who Is Allah? by Gamine(f): 4:45pm On Sep 17, 2008 |
The Writers View comes from the Quran itself.
Mind you, the Guy was a muslim.
I have clearly stated my reasons/questions on this thread.
Muhammed strikes me as Delusional and if that is not a form of Insanity
Forgive me. 1 Like |
Re: Who Is Allah? by Mustay(m): 4:48pm On Sep 17, 2008 |
The guy that wrote "What you don't know about Shari'ah " was a Muslim. |
Re: Who Is Allah? by Gamine(f): 5:01pm On Sep 17, 2008 |
I do not know the book you talk about so pray tell, what has it got to do with this topic |
Re: Who Is Allah? by Mustay(m): 5:52pm On Sep 17, 2008 |
What has this topic got to do here if you've got nothing to write about? do i just open a thread for every book I read about Islam on this board? In Arabic, Allah means literally the one God. It is pretty easy to understand how different languages give the same thing different names. Is it that unusual to hear Muslims call God another name, like "Allah", while you call him God or Lord? Some people have no minds; in the last decade, a growing phenomenon was seen on the internet and in published literature. Allah is said to be the “moon god” that Arabs worshiped, and Kaaba (The Muslims holiest place on Earth) is His temple. The evidence for this theory is the crescent that appears on the top of many mosques all over the world plus a fabricated picture of the "moon god".
This idea is very dangerous. If you believe that Muslims are worshiping an idol, then there is no basis even to talk to them. They are pagan idolaters like Hindus and Buddhists. It is alleged that although Islam is a monotheistic religion, the Muslims' only God is simply another idol that Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) chose (or in some versions of the story, he made it up).
To invalidate this foolish theory, one has to take the story from different angles.
The crescent is not a symbol of Islam, but of the Ottoman Empire. The Ottomans are those tribes that moved to Turkey from east and middle Asia. They converted to Islam and built a huge Muslim Empire that ruled the whole Muslim world for centuries. When they took Islam as a religion they started using the lunar calendar, the calendar that was used by Muslims, Jews and early Christians. Even today, the flag of Turkey has a crescent on it. There was no crescent on any mosque built before the Ottomans era.
Prophet Abraham built the Kaaba for people to worship God. While pagan Arabs admitted this fact and even kept the stone where he used to stand to build the Kaaba (Abraham's station), they brought idols to the Kaaba and worshiped them to get closer to Abraham's Lord, Allah, God of gods. Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) came with the monotheistic message of Islam. Arabs defended these idols and refused to give up the religion of their fathers and grandfathers. They offered to Muhammad a deal, that is to worship their gods for one year, and they worship Allah alone for one year. A chapter of the Quran came with the response from God to this evil invitation:
[Say : O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine. ]109:1-6
Later on, the Quran started calling Allah by other names. One of those holy names was Al-Rahman (the Gracious). Arabs wondered:"is this a new God?" The Quran responded again:
[Say: "Call upon Allah, or call upon Rahman: by whatever name ye call upon Him, (it is well): for to Him belong the Most Beautiful Names. ]17:110
It is not a new god; it is a new name for the same God. Allah has ninety nine names in Islam; all of them are holy and speak about different attributes of the same creator, almighty Allah. As an example, read these verses of the Quran:
[Allah is He, than Whom there is no other god; Who knows (all things) both secret and open; He, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
Allah is He, than Whom there is no other god; the Sovereign, the Holy One, the Source of Peace (and Perfection), the Guardian of Faith, the Preserver of Safety, the Exalted in Might, the Irresistible, the Supreme: Glory to Allah! (High is He) above the partners they attribute to Him.
He is Allah, the Creator, the Evolver, the Bestower of Forms (or Colours). To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names: whatever is in the heavens and on earth, doth declare His Praises and Glory; and He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.]59:22-24
When Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) came back to Mecca, he entered the city peacefully on the top of an army of 10,000 men, exactly as the Bible described him "pre-eminent above ten thousand." (Solomon 5:10). He did not burn a single home; he did not harm a single person; he just went to the Kaaba and destroyed all the gods Arabs had there. He kept nothing in the Kaaba. Where is this picture of the moon god coming from? I don't know. Did anyone of the pagan Arabs have a digital camera by then?
There is evidence that the word Allah existed before the birth of Muhammad PBUH for thousands of years. It is probably the oldest name man used to call God. Most likely, Adam used the word Allah to call the Lord. On the other hand, the word "GOD" was born with the English language, less than ten centuries ago. Can we say that all English speaking nations are pagans because they use the word "God"? What about Chinese monotheists? How should they call God?
Prophet Muhammad's father’s name was Abdullah (The slave of Allah). This name was common among Arab pagans and Jews. Abdullah bin Salam was one of the first Jews to convert to Islam in Medina. When Arabs call Allah in prayer they say: “Ya Allah” or “Allahoma”. Aren't these words familiar to you? “Alleluia” and “Elohim” are the words used to call Allah in the Bible. In Hebrew, the suffix im means many. So Elohim literally means many Allah(s). This is a known way to express dignity and respect to almighty Allah by calling Him pleural. This phenomenon is known in Hebrew, Arabic, English and other languages. In Quran, the same pattern is seen many times. For example, God says in the holy Quran:
[ We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption). ]15:9.
In the English translation of the Bible, you read, "Let us make man in our image”-Genesis 1:26-KJV.
The word Allah is used in all Arabic translations of the Bible. It was used in some English translations of the Bible like the original "Scofield Reference Bible"-reference: what is his name? by Deedat. In the New Testament, Jesus is believed to cry before his death "ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?” Eloi is the exact Arabic word "Elahi" which comes from the same root as Allah.
I have no doubt that the word "Allah" is the oldest known name man called God with. For those who choose to ignore this fact and transgress, Muslims have nothing to offer. Allah says in the holy Quran:
[If any, after this, invent a lie and attribute it to Allah, they are indeed unjust wrong-doers.] 3:94
For Muslims, Allah is perfect. He has no partners. We worship Him and Him alone. Our faith is summarized in the holy Quran:
[Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him.]112:1-4
If you want to ask muslims questions about "who really ALLAH is" and not "who is this Allsh" (which already depicts a 'made-up' mind), visit threads like Islamic Talk: or if you want to satisfy the other urge that has been displayed from posts on this topic visit: God and Allah: Are they the same? |