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Re: Furore Over Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree In Nigerian Universities. by Pennywise(m): 8:44am On Jun 29, 2014 |
Going to other well structured countries to import corrupt variants of pharmacy programs cannot help the practice of pharmacy in Nigeria. It will be abused as we have seen. Pharmacies are being turned to mini clinics with 'side labs' on account of 'pharmD' They are even transfusing blood without the slightest hint of diagnosis and treatment of transfusion reactions. This is creating a regulation nightmare in some places. Real pharmacists should stand up and speak against these lazy treasure hunters in the interest of the profession. These same people are also in the medical profession hoding on to CMD positions like its their birth right. They have no formal training to head hospitals but from the look of things they might want to take cue from our gold digging pharmacists to legitimize their hold by introducing one or two courses in hospital management. 2 Likes |
Re: Furore Over Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree In Nigerian Universities. by obayaya(m): 8:45am On Jun 29, 2014 |
Black Swan: Typical of Nigerians. Instead of trying to revive our non existent drug manufacturing sector, they are more obsessed in drifting into another role. As if pharmacist haven't always helped doctors in recommending drugs and monitoring patients. 1 Like |
Re: Furore Over Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree In Nigerian Universities. by sikells(m): 8:57am On Jun 29, 2014 |
Pennywise: Everybody wants to be a doctor withour having to go through the stiff competition and rigors that medical school entails. The pharmacists, the optometrists also recently started a 6 yr program and are now called doctors doing all kinds of things including seting iv lines in phamacies and 'optometry clinics'. I wonder what the nurses and radiographers are still waiting for. Truly competent unionists perhaps?.this post is just not encouraging at all..why must doctors always have problems with other health professionals?y do they seek to control all health professions...health professionals are supposed to work together..little wonder why our health system is just nothing to write home about |
Re: Furore Over Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree In Nigerian Universities. by obayaya(m): 8:57am On Jun 29, 2014 |
Knowledge9000: Bros!!! I'll have to tell you sharrap for a second time. no offence. With all due respect to the academia and the so called technocrats in pharmacy, They are probably good in pharmacy and pharmacology but they are poor administrators and policy formulators. In Nigeria today, all pharmacists do is sit in the hospital dispensing drugs or set up a phantom pharmaceutical companies and start importing drugs from countries like Vietnam. VIETNAM for God's sake. and This Pharm.D shit is all they could come up with? as a way of addressing the shortcomings of Pharmacy in Nigeria? Like seriously? This degree IMHO is a way of justifying their sitting in the hospitals. And will give them more impetus to keep drowning in mediocrity. Canada still accepts B.Pharm as minimum requirement, even Vietnam. Yet their drug making industry is still active. So spare me your rants and your grammar |
Re: Furore Over Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree In Nigerian Universities. by kenpia: 8:59am On Jun 29, 2014 |
Am liking the energies, positive and negative, this topic is generating. Since both the doctors and pharmacist have employment today because of us, the patients, am indirectly saying we pay your salaries, can you focus the discussion on how and why approving a Pharm.D program can or cannot benefit me. Rather than focusing on yourselves. |
Re: Furore Over Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree In Nigerian Universities. by adeoladrg(m): 8:59am On Jun 29, 2014 |
obayaya: And what is the non existent manufacturing sector u're talking about? We have the best Pharmaceutical Industry in Africa second only to South Africa. Bring ur stats! What are you talking about? 1 Like |
Re: Furore Over Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree In Nigerian Universities. by obayaya(m): 9:00am On Jun 29, 2014 |
adeola_drg: Can you please kindly share how that's gonna happen? Thanks |
Re: Furore Over Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree In Nigerian Universities. by Shori(m): 9:02am On Jun 29, 2014 |
Pennywise: Going to other well structured countries to import corrupt variants of pharmacy programs cannot help the practice of pharmacy in Nigeria. It will be abused as we have seen. Pharmacies are being turned to mini clinics with 'side labs' on account of 'pharmD' They are even transfusing blood without the slightest hint of diagnosis and treatment of transfusion reactions. This is creating a regulation nightmare in some places.I..... I'm stupefied! ''mini clinics''? ''side labs''? ''blood transfusion'' in Nigeria? Do you really have to come up with conjectures just to denigrate the pharmacy profession? Where did the transfusion illegally happen? When did it happen? It's not about the ''Dr'' title thing,but meeting up to international standards! 1 Like |
Re: Furore Over Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree In Nigerian Universities. by adeoladrg(m): 9:03am On Jun 29, 2014 |
obayaya: It's so funny how u seem to know the pharmacy profession more than the people practicing it. |
Re: Furore Over Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree In Nigerian Universities. by adeoladrg(m): 9:04am On Jun 29, 2014 |
obayaya: When m back from church |
Re: Furore Over Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree In Nigerian Universities. by Nobody: 9:04am On Jun 29, 2014 |
Gloried medicine sellers |
Re: Furore Over Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree In Nigerian Universities. by ACM10: 9:04am On Jun 29, 2014 |
nagoma: The "wannabe Doctors" are desperate . Pharmacists , Optometrists and even ambulance drivers want to be referred to as Docrors and they refuse to go through medical school. The confusion in Nigeria's healthcare continues as we copy blindly from America. |
Re: Furore Over Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree In Nigerian Universities. by obayaya(m): 9:05am On Jun 29, 2014 |
xlad21: nobody is really interested in titles. There's no glory in being called a Dr. Go and ask recent medical graduates, 80% of them wish they studied accounting or economics or engineering in school. That being said....many people on this trend are talking out of a position of ignorance, to be fair to them, the article didn't do the topic justice. Bpharm and PharmD are 2 totally different degrees. There's a reason only one school currently offers it in nigeria. PharmD holders are meant for hospital and hospital work alone, while there are several other aspects of pharmacy care including production, research, chemistry and even sourcing that the general pharmacist is supposed to be doing, hence the need for Bpharm. Some schools abroad actually offer both degrees separately. Personally I don't think Nigeria has reached the level of medical care to be affording these degrees, the PharmD program is very restrictive, our medical doctors can barely get decent jobs in hospitals, and now you wanna restrict pharmacists to hospitals too. The Bpharm degree offers so much more flexibility, that allows the pharmacist to be able to do other things if he can't get a look in at the hospitals. I think any school that has the intention and capability to offer PharmD should do so, let's not turn this into another stupid pharmacist vs dr argument. Now that's the most informed comment on this thread |
Re: Furore Over Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree In Nigerian Universities. by ACM10: 9:05am On Jun 29, 2014 |
nagoma: The "wannabe Doctors" are desperate . Pharmacists , Optometrists and even ambulance drivers want to be referred to as Docrors and they refuse to go through medical school. The confusion in Nigeria's healthcare continues as we copy blindly from America. For the first time we are on the same side of the debate. It is every paramedics desire to bear the title 'Dr', but none of them wants to pass through the medical school and study the nitty-gritty of Anatomy, Physiology, Biochemistry, Pharmacology and Pathology. I was teaching a Med. Lab student Immunology, he continued to interrupt me, telling me that I was paying attention to details, reminding me that he is not a studying Med/Surg. Explaining further that he only need a general overview of the course to enable him pass exam. Tommorrow, the same guy will rub shoulders with doctors in the hospital. 3 Likes |
Re: Furore Over Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree In Nigerian Universities. by Pennywise(m): 9:09am On Jun 29, 2014 |
Repeat. |
Re: Furore Over Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree In Nigerian Universities. by Pennywise(m): 9:10am On Jun 29, 2014 |
sikells:Not all doctors. A few doctors esp those with dinosaur mentality perhaps. Fortunately they are not many anymore. Their thinking and orientation have been overtaken by modernization and a need to uphold global best practice. But the action of these glory/fortune-seeking pharmacists will be viewed as a threat and the dinosaurs will come back and probably begin to procreate. 2 Likes |
Re: Furore Over Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree In Nigerian Universities. by obayaya(m): 9:13am On Jun 29, 2014 |
adeola_drg: Best Pharmaceutical Industry? Second only to South Africa? Which industry? This ones producing only Paracetamol? That imports virtually every drug? Well I don't have stats but you can help me with yours. 2 Likes |
Re: Furore Over Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree In Nigerian Universities. by Shori(m): 9:14am On Jun 29, 2014 |
ACM10:Tsk! Pharmacy students take Biochemistry,Anatomy,Pharmacology and Physiology with Pathology the only exception. . . Come up with something ''better'' please. . . 1 Like |
Re: Furore Over Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree In Nigerian Universities. by obayaya(m): 9:16am On Jun 29, 2014 |
adeola_drg: I don't claim I know it more than ppl practicing it. But I know ppl practicing it. And I have eyes and ears to see that nothing is happening in Nigeria's pharmaceutical industry |
Re: Furore Over Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree In Nigerian Universities. by obayaya(m): 9:16am On Jun 29, 2014 |
adeola_drg: I'll be waiting |
Re: Furore Over Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree In Nigerian Universities. by Pennywise(m): 9:25am On Jun 29, 2014 |
Shori: I..... I'm stupefied! ''mini clinics''? ''side labs''? ''blood transfusion'' in Nigeria? Do you really have to come up with conjectures just to denigrate the pharmacy profession? Where did the transfusion illegally happened? When did it happen? It's not about the ''Dr'' title thing,but meeting up to international standards! Its a relation. I went to visit him. I saw 2 others on drip with a young pharmD brandishing stetoscope. What insult. 1 Like |
Re: Furore Over Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree In Nigerian Universities. by ACM10: 9:27am On Jun 29, 2014 |
Shori: Tsk! Pharmacy students take Biochemistry,Anatomy,Pharmacology and Physiology with Pathology the only exception. . . Come up with something ''better'' please. . . The catchword there is NITTY-GRITTY. Even Physiotherapists/Nurses/Radiographers do study these courses too, but not in details. Does pharmacy students do practicals with cadaver? I mean dissecting cadaver region by region. It is only Anatomy/MedSurg students that does it. Moreover, how can you treat a patient without the knowledge of the PATHOLOGY behind the disease. Don't you think that this defiency in knowledge can make a difference between life and death? 4 Likes |
Re: Furore Over Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree In Nigerian Universities. by Shori(m): 9:32am On Jun 29, 2014 |
ACM10:...and now you're telling me Medical students do pharmacology in details more than the pharmacy students? To your question,No. |
Re: Furore Over Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree In Nigerian Universities. by Shori(m): 9:33am On Jun 29, 2014 |
Pennywise:what an interesting Lie. . .more power to your elbow! |
Re: Furore Over Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree In Nigerian Universities. by naijaking1: 9:40am On Jun 29, 2014 |
Find Out!: You're simply too dangerous! How can you boldly lie, and without shame too?. You have never been to the USA, if you did you would have not posted this crap. The best universities in the US with pharmacy programs have both B. and D pharm. courses. See for yourself: http://www.schoolchoices.org/colleges/major/149 Just a snipet: Top Pharmacy Schools Ranked By US News and World Report 1 University of California - San Francisco San Francisco, CA | Total Enrollment: 3517 Degrees Offered: Bachelor's, Master's, Doctor's, First-professional degree, First-professional certificate 2 The University of North Carolina - Gen Admin Chapel Hill, NC | Total Enrollment: 0 Degrees Offered: Less than one year, One but less than two years, Associate's, Two but less than 4 years, Bachelor's, Postbaccalaureate certificate, Master's, Post-Masters certificate, Doctor's, First-professional degree 3 University of Minnesota - Twin Cities Minneapolis, MN | Total Enrollment: 45481 Degrees Offered: One but less than two years, Two but less than 4 years, Bachelor's, Postbaccalaureate certificate, Master's, Post-Masters certificate, Doctor's, First-professional degree 4 The University of Texas at Austin Austin, TX | Total Enrollment: 49996 Degrees Offered: Bachelor's, Master's, Doctor's, First-professional degree 5 University of Wisconsin - Madison Madison, WI | Total Enrollment: 40658 Degrees Offered: Bachelor's, Postbaccalaureate certificate, Master's, Post-Masters certificate, Doctor's, First-professional degree 5 University of Kentucky Lexington, KY | Total Enrollment: 23114 Degrees Offered: Bachelor's, Postbaccalaureate certificate, Master's, Post-Masters certificate, Doctor's, First-professional degree 7 Ohio State University - Main Campus Columbus, OH | Total Enrollment: 47952 Degrees Offered: Associate's, Bachelor's, Postbaccalaureate certificate, Master's, Post-Masters certificate, Doctor's, First-professional degree 7 Purdue University - Main Campus West Lafayette, IN | Total Enrollment: 39667 Degrees Offered: Less than one year, Associate's, Bachelor's, Postbaccalaureate certificate, Master's, Doctor's, First-professional degree 7 University of Michigan - Ann Arbor Ann Arbor, MI | Total Enrollment: 38103 Degrees Offered: Bachelor's, Postbaccalaureate certificate, Master's, Post-Masters certificate, Doctor's, First-professional degree |
Re: Furore Over Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree In Nigerian Universities. by ACM10: 9:45am On Jun 29, 2014 |
Shori: I..... I'm stupefied! ''mini clinics''? ''side labs''? ''blood transfusion'' in Nigeria? Do you really have to come up with conjectures just to denigrate the pharmacy profession? Where did the transfusion illegally happened? When did it happen? It's not about the ''Dr'' title thing,but meeting up to international standards! Either you are coming from the mars or you are willfully ignorant for you to deny 'mini clinics', 'side labs' and 'blood transfusion' malpractices by the pharmacists. Your colleagues in the trade must be laughing at you. I can give you names of pharmacy shops manned by a trained pharmacists where the above malpractice is the order of the day. In Benue state, some pharmacist are even pushing the envelope further by doing some surgical procedures. Denying the obvious makes you appear dishonest. 3 Likes |
Re: Furore Over Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree In Nigerian Universities. by Pennywise(m): 9:51am On Jun 29, 2014 |
Shori: what an interesting Lie. . .more power to your elbow! Okay, may your God help you. This criminal campaign by a band of pharmacists will not see the light of day. What Nigerians demand is an improvement in the quality of pharmacists trained in Nigeria. Stem the rot, incompetence and mediocrity Let pharmacists be pharmacists and not quasi doctors. Understand pharmacognosy and pharmacology. Know how to dispense and possibly manufacture known formulations. If u want to excel then proceed with research and devt. That is what pharmacists do. Leave drug applications on patients to doctors who are trained for the purpose otherwise go to med school. 4 Likes |
Re: Furore Over Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree In Nigerian Universities. by ACM10: 9:55am On Jun 29, 2014 |
Shori: ...and now you're telling me Medical students do pharmacology in details more than the pharmacy students? To your question,No. Why are you trying to appear clever by latching on one aspect of my comment? Do you think that thorough knowledge of Pharmacology prepares you enough to treat patients? What about Pathology? Can you treat a patient without knowing the pathological basis of the disease? You are picking my points selectively. That's a sign of intellectual weakness. 6 Likes |
Re: Furore Over Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree In Nigerian Universities. by ige101(m): 9:57am On Jun 29, 2014 |
More drama yet to unfold,not until the Fed Govt come up with a uniform salary structure for everyone in the health sector,this drama wont cease.What we just read is not unconnected with the discrepancies in salaries of health workers.Let everyone be put on same structure and see if there won't be peace. |
Re: Furore Over Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree In Nigerian Universities. by zeezahbee(f): 10:03am On Jun 29, 2014 |
pDude: Gloried medicine sellerssick |
Re: Furore Over Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree In Nigerian Universities. by zeezahbee(f): 10:07am On Jun 29, 2014 |
ige101: More drama yet to unfold,not until the Fed Govt come up with a uniform salary structure for everyone in the health sector,this drama wont cease.What we just read is not unconnected with the discrepancies in salaries of health workers.Let everyone be put on same structure and see if there won't be peace.Who's talking about salary? Oooooo you told the whole pharm D issh was about getting a raise in salary, I won't say more to you because you know nothing about what we saying here. |
Re: Furore Over Doctor Of Pharmacy Degree In Nigerian Universities. by Nobody: 10:11am On Jun 29, 2014 |
I see nothing wrong in health professionals striving to improve their skills but I always doubt the sincerity of doing so if there a hidding secrete to it. No nigerian university award " doctor of ............" as first degree except in the case of optometry ( which is a desaster). The degree " doctor of .......," is ONLY awarded to students who undergo a postgraduate training in form of PhD. People who study MEDICINE AND SURGERY are awarded MB,BS( bachelor of medicine, bachelor of surgery) by universities. The title "Dr" is given by their regulatory body. An additional year doesnt equate to a PhD. They just want parade themselves as "doctors" in the society and nothing else. 3 Likes |
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