agentowolabi47: @ gentlmimi...pls stop opening n closing ur bucal cavity witot making sure ur cerebrum sends impulses n reasonabl sentences.....wat is t pharmacists are doin sef,u talk of surgical procedure dat cnt hapn witot dispensn some items.who cnt dispense items,evn a sec. sch graduate knws wat a sterile glove is once Ts written on d pack,which is always......n talkn of cancer test, cd4 count,re u serious? do u knw wat dey call pathologist!.o.k u dnt?dey re dr. Who re learned in cancer studies, microbiology,chemical pathology n more...bt u wldnt knw cos ur arguing blindly....n come to fink of t,....dose guys re jst bin employed to reduce d unemploymnt rate,because wen dey re on strike at u.i.t.h we de medical students take up dere work witot any problem at all,nt knwn dey re nt availabl sef....apart frm d potty carryn,whch I salute d porters.....bt before u open ur mouth gbagaun u beta knw wat ur sayn.tank u

All i can say to you is ''You are the dumbest guy i've come across today''. So all doctors use for medical procedures are gloves? Loool!
Have you worked in a teaching hospital? Obviously not. You're prolly still in the university. When u face the harsh reality of life,u'll never utter the bullshiiit u just did.
Pathetic olodo. You question what pharmacists do? You're slow.
As for pathologists,do u even know their job specifications? I never saw any pathologist set his foot in the Chemical pathology lab in OAUTHC Ile Ife all thru my stay. The on-bench training is absolutely lacking in their scheme of work. Yet you open ur mouth to call pathologists. Put a pathologist alongside a trained scientist and u'll shut ur mouth permanently. So why don't the pathologist take over the laboratory during strike? Ask yourself.
You think we do not see behind/beyond all the titles and grammar of a pathologist? Why do u think the court refused them authority over scientists last yr? Or are u still asleep? You are not aware that pathologists are now on their own? No using the scientist as their fronts and coverup...lol!
Oh boy,you better wake up and smell the coffee oo. Things are gradually changing. The medical sector of last yr can never be the same in ten yrs time. You better buckle your worn out belt.

ILIDEFI: I understand the passion pharmacists, lab scientists, nurses etc have over becoming consultants, but my questions are:
1. What will be the role of a consultant pharmacist in the pharmacy? Dispense drugs and what else?

2. What more can a consultant scientist do in the lab that other scientists can't? What extra value are they going to add to patient management in the lab after they become consultants?

3. Nurses are simply trained to assist doctors. Even a matron cannot initiate patient management until a doctor stipulates it. Now, what will be the role of consultant nurses? Even matrons often have no active work in the hospitals because the nurses' works soon become too small and menial for them. How much more a consultant nurse? Won't she simply be jobless, yet collecting massive salary?

4. If pharmacists, scientists and nurses are considered for consultancy, what about health recorders, health assistants, those in finance etc. Are they not also important part of the health team?

The truth is that for order to remain in the health care system and to avoid chaos, the status quo has to be maintained. Even if some of the changes JOHESU is agitating for are applicable abroad, Nigeria is not yet ripe for them.
If a consultant nurse has issues with a registrar, she can even drive the registrar out of the ward, or tell her nurses not to join any doctor in ward rounds. The patients will suffer more from the chaos.

Doctor just have to remain heads in the hospitals, just like pharmacists head pharmaceutical industries and scientists head research institutes. Hospitals are the domain of doctors. Moreover, it's only lecturers that head universities as VCs and only lawyers head courts and other law units. What happens to other trained workers?

I have said my own o.

Oga na wa to you o. You think we really don't need the services of Consutants in these fields.
In the U.S health system (a system we always revere and reference) Physicians' wrong prescriptions kill more people than gunshots every year. Of course you already know the equivalent statistics of avoidable deaths will be far more horrifying in Nigeria, if we reel out the figures.

Stone age uni-disciplinary practice/prescription contribute A LOT to the Nigerian patients death. Now if we have a gentleman Pharmacist who is equipped to follow drug/ drug-drug in a patients as a Consultant pharmacist sharing his knowledge with a Physician don't you think that patient risk of dying from drug-related deaths have drastically reduced.
Drug prescription is too delicate by to do by Unilateral fiat. Advanced countries are taking a multi-disciplinary approach for patient's sake. That's where the Consultant Pharmacist comes in.


I posted a youtube videos about a Consultant Scientist in UK. Go to 3.30 mins and hear what Consultant Scientists in the field of hematology do in U.K

There are methodological processes to obtaining a reliable lab results bearing a patients name. It goes beyond switching on your microscope and identifying organisms. Scientific questions are asked...

What proceedure was employed during swab collection?
Was the swab stick sterile?
What agar was used during during cultivation?
What are constituents of the biochem reagents and agar/medium?
What form of quality control was run?
How was the stock culture prepared?
What clinical symptoms do the patient suffer?
How old is the patient considering Age-immune system relationship of a patients?

These and many more Scientific questions are what Scientists ponder while trying to obtain a reliable result from their methodology and proceedures. Only then can he append his signature on it with confidence for the benefit of the PATIENT who is supposed to be King.

Any failure in these conditions/ factors renders that result useless and could lead to a loss of license or even jail term for the Scientists as encapsulated in MLScN act.

Now how do you convince yourself you don't need a Consultant Scientist in this very important field without being biased? Na wa o.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=JKhskzCHY0I

The word consultant is used very loosely in Nigeria. A consultant is simply put, someone you consult when you need special privileged information. Why would you need a consultant nurse. What special privileged information would they provide you about an illness. Also note that consultant in any profession, is through fellowship and carrying out a unique project managed by external supervisors. If the nurses, pharmacists etc want to become consultants, they have to go through protocol. We have to get people who are consultant nurses, pharmacists etc in other countries that practice such to vet and manage the system and supervise projects and learning for at least 15 years. Then later, we can do it in house so we don't have mediocre consultants.

For now, there is no consultant in JOHESU, so do we just make the heads in the pharmacists department, school of nursing etc consultants? Have they gone through any program? Perhaps, they should go and become consultants in other countries then come and implement similar resident programs here or in conjunction with universities that have such programs. We all know how the U.I UCH medical school started in conjunction with the Medical school in The University College London.

Anything short of this is promoting mediocrity and I will NEVER support that.

U will nevr support dat right. who knows u? And who says ur opinion count? QuIt thinking wt ur god forsaken dickkk nd get ur facts right. All des profession have dia fellowships and all protocols would be followed. If ur insecure and threatened wic is d case here, den its ur headache. Toothless bull dog. Wat an autonomous profession decides to do wit demselves should be d least of ur worries. Just watch out and see how it goes. Empty barrel

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YourHealthlabs:

Oga na wa to you o. You think we really don't need the services of Consutants in these fields.
In the U.S health system (a system we always revere and reference) Physicians' wrong prescriptions kill more people than gunshots every year. Of course you already know the equivalent statistics of avoidable deaths will be far more horrifying in Nigeria, if we reel out the figures.

Stone age uni-disciplinary practice/prescription contribute A LOT to the Nigerian patients death. Now if we have a gentleman Pharmacist who is equipped to follow drug/ drug-drug in a patients as a Consultant pharmacist sharing his knowledge with a Physician don't you think that patient risk of dying from drug-related deaths have drastically reduced.
Drug prescription is too delicate by to do by Unilateral fiat. Advanced countries are taking a multi-disciplinary approach for patient's sake. That's where the Consultant Pharmacist comes in.


I posted a youtube videos about a Consultant Scientist in UK. Go to 3.30 mins and hear what Consultant Scientists in the field of hematology do in U.K

There are methodological processes to obtaining a reliable lab results bearing a patients name. It goes beyond switching on your microscope and identifying organisms. Scientific questions are asked...

What proceedure was employed during swab collection?
Was the swab stick sterile?
What agar was used during during cultivation?
What are constituents of the biochem reagents and agar/medium?
What form of quality control was run?
How was the stock culture prepared?
What clinical symptoms do the patient suffer?
How old is the patient considering Age-immune system relationship of a patients?

These and many more Scientific questions are what Scientists ponder while trying to obtain a reliable result from their methodology and proceedures. Only then can he append his signature on it with confidence for the benefit of the PATIENT who is supposed to be King.

Any failure in these conditions/ factors renders that result useless and could lead to a loss of license or even jail term for the Scientists as encapsulated in MLScN act.

Now how do you convince yourself you don't need a Consultant Scientist in this very important field without being biased? Na wa o.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=JKhskzCHY0I

With all due respect to you, considering your sincere response, I will still maintain that those are not enough reasons to have consultants in those fields.

As for the drug interactions you talked about, that's why some schools have started graduating doctors of pharmacy (Pharm.D). Specialist pharmacists are not needed in hospitals.

As for the points u mentioned about the labs, my question is, what else are lab scientists trained to do? Sincerely, what you listed are normal things lab scientists are supposed do in the lab. Specialist lab scientists may be needed in biomedical research centres, but not in hospitals.

Doctors here please get enlightened.Follow the links below:

http://www.wimbledonclinics.co.uk/consultants/

Anybody see the Consultant Physiotherapist in that sea of doctors?

Follow link to American Association of Consultant Pharmacists here:

https://www.ascp.com/

Consultant Pharmacists in Canada:

http://www.cscpharm.com/

NMA brought in Surgeon General without even knowing the meaning, but are now fighting to withhold consultancy for other health professionals. It's so sad, coming from a so-called body of repute. SMH...

It's really pathetic the way some of you are going about this subject, first and foremost being a medical doctor is a noble profession and they are top echelon of the medical institute but that doesn't mean others aren't important too, all cannot exist without the other, no hospital can exist without a nurse infact there are hospital that have visiting doctors and stand by nurse. All medical practitioner should be awarded their fair share of recognition.

In the United States psychiatric nurses earn more than some mdledical doctors. Doctors should not be the only one that matters others too should be given what belongs too them.

Its quite amazing how majorities of respondents who are doctors on this topic have expressed such hieght of amateurish reaction to it.
i mean how possible is it for a so called professional in a specific discipline to have expertise also in virtually all other affiliated discipline
The claim by all doctors and the pro-doctors on this issue that all the other health workers are half baked is fallacious.
Each profession within the health team has its context and curriculum of study different from another health profession.you can only show expertise in a specific profession you have chosen
Next time you want to rubbish a practitioner in another discipline,do come up with more credible points instead of just typing to satisfy your egos

Another thing is, many people here including the medical interns and residents do not know that Consultant Surgeons are not called "Dr", they are addressed as "Mr", you can google it. We have lots of title-loving airheads in this part of the world, who have contributed nothing tangible to the world.

You'll hear someone bearing stuffs like Prof, Dr, Engr, Sir Polycarp Ajisegiri, very funny.

ILIDEFI: I understand the passion pharmacists, lab scientists, nurses etc have over becoming consultants, but my questions are:
1. What will be the role of a consultant pharmacist in the pharmacy? Dispense drugs and what else?

2. What more can a consultant scientist do in the lab that other scientists can't? What extra value are they going to add to patient management in the lab after they become consultants?

3. Nurses are simply trained to assist doctors. Even a matron cannot initiate patient management until a doctor stipulates it. Now, what will be the role of consultant nurses? Even matrons often have no active work in the hospitals because the nurses' works soon become too small and menial for them. How much more a consultant nurse? Won't she simply be jobless, yet collecting massive salary?

4. If pharmacists, scientists and nurses are considered for consultancy, what about health recorders, health assistants, those in finance etc. Are they not also important part of the health team?

The truth is that for order to remain in the health care system and to avoid chaos, the status quo has to be maintained. Even if some of the changes JOHESU is agitating for are applicable abroad, Nigeria is not yet ripe for them.
If a consultant nurse has issues with a registrar, she can even drive the registrar out of the ward, or tell her nurses not to join any doctor in ward rounds. The patients will suffer more from the chaos.

Doctor just have to remain heads in the hospitals, just like pharmacists head pharmaceutical industries and scientists head research institutes. Hospitals are the domain of doctors. Moreover, it's only lecturers that head universities as VCs and only lawyers head courts and other law units. What happens to other trained workers?

I have said my own o.

Even without the postgraduate course that confers consultant honours on pharmacists, they provide efficient care plan for hypertensive, diabetic and patients with other diseases.

Now, the postgraduate college offers specialization. Therefore we have Renal/CVD pharmacists, Endocrine pharmacists, Paediatric pharmacists, HIV pharmacists, Infectious disease and even nutrition specialty.

Now, imagine how sweet it would be for a Renal/CVD pharmacist to scrutinize a prescription for an hypertensive patient, or even advice the doctor. You can stamp your chest cos he'll be cocksure of any information he's dishing out! He's already a force!

The college is called West African PostGraduate College of Pharmacy. According to Pharm Olumide Akintayo, it takes a minimum of 6 years to go through this college. I've explained for pharmacy sha!

Never argue with a fool, he'll drag you down to his level and beat u with experience, that's what they've rightly said and we've humbly learnt and that is d case of doctors and all dse JOHESU talks.
First of all, Doctors don't just spend six years in school yl other health worker spend 5 years, that will b one of d worst ways to calculate mathematics if that's what pple r really interested in. This is what I mean , yes doctors spend six years but without semesters. In fact throughout the six years period, s totality of holiday a typical medical student will get is 3 weeks unlike our friends who run on semesters and go home to enjoy after 3 or 4 months only
come back after another 2 months, we all know that can never add up to 5 years on the long run.
As if that is not enough, a medical doctor doesn't automatically become a consultant just because he has been practicing for 50 years. Rather despite actively practicing, he would have to complete his residency program which is the training for consultancy in itself and that will take him at least another 5 years provided he's passing his exams at a go.
Just be logical about the kind of information these two sets of pple will have at their disposal , the energy and sacrifice they've contributed to to attain it and the way they'll dessipated these information in the form of skills and handling patients bearing in mind that both of them have been studying just the same HUMAN BEIGN and it's complex creation.
I'm sure your right answer is right within you if only you'll accept it

Doctors here please get enlightened.Follow the links below:

http://www.wimbledonclinics.co.uk/consultants/

Anybody see the Consultant Physiotherapist in that sea of doctors?

Follow link to American Association of Consultant Pharmacists here:

https://www.ascp.com/

Consultant Pharmacists in Canada:

http://www.cscpharm.com/

NMA brought in Surgeon General without even knowing the meaning, but are now fighting to withhold consultancy for other health professionals. It's so sad, coming from a so-called body of repute. SMH...

If u hold too much u will definitely loose some. Nigeria dr's are selfish, wicked, egocentric and devilish.
Their desire is to make other health professionals appear small and un important. While they arrogate so much importance to themselves.

They dont want others to grow or earn any thing reasonable. Very very unfair.

U spent 6 yrs in school for ur 1st degree others spent 5yrs, is that why your salary shld be 100% biger

iiiyyyk: If u hold too much u will definitely loose some. Nigeria dr's are selfish, wicked, egocentric and devilish.
Their desire is to make other health professionals appear small and un important. While they arrogate so much importance to themselves.

They dont want others to grow or earn any thing reasonable. Very very unfair.

U spent 6 yrs in school for ur 1st degree others spent 5yrs, is that why your salary shld be 100% biger

So you agree that your problem is about remuneration. We are getting somewhere now.

Anybody in support of JOHESU is a consultant olodo!
The government officials supporting JOHESU along with being consultant idiots are also consultant fools!
What they are asking for is tantamount to leaving the father of a house and making d houseboy d head of the family.
We all know dt as Nigerians, JOHESU'S quests is fuelled by greed and envy. They r not seeking the exalted positions to do anything good in d health sector.

sisiafrika: u suffer because ur too dull. Pls dnt kill a live.

work on your attitude bro/sis. Must u insult everybody who differ in opinion? SMH4U

adekayo1234: work on your attitude bro/sis. Must u insult everybody who differ in opinion? SMH4U

u must be chronicalli sick to tink u can advice me. Fuukkk off! I don't rub any horse's mane!

Gentlemimi2:
Meehhhhnnn! Your ignorance is first class! And you displayed it so galantly on a social media. Yeeepa!
You think pharmacists are worthless? Have you been in the setting of a federal or even state hospital? No procedure/operation can take place without certain medical and pharmaceutical items. How many private pharmacists are capable of getting them? It goes beyond dispensation of drugs.
As for laboratory,how many pvt labs conduct CD4 count/viral load,DNA testing,histopathological/cytological analysis,CA/CEA cancer testing?......the list is endless. All at subsidized prices too?
As for nurses,you think they dn't have any weight to pull around? Many times they've saved medical officers from serious fuckups. You think doctors alone can handle patient care,medical procedures and patient management all on his own?
Doctors cannot cope alone. Even the dietician ,physiotherapists and co play vital roles in the health sector.
Nigeria is a damn country mehn! Foreign countries exhibit a high class of professional courtsey. Even an average Nigerian thinks other health workers are worthless.
The few days NUPTAM went on strike at OAUTH Ile Ife in 2011,the effect was enormous. All services rendered by the doctors were ''skeletal'' services. Two lives were lost during those few days.

So if doctors cannot work alone why are you all fighting? Can't you be a team? I tire o. Shebi they have sha passed the law kontinue but this is the beggining of stupidness and you will see the light

The experience I got hv show me that the doctor can not work alone. See wht is happening now? Let dem consult, managed patient, give card, sit down in ward n take cared of patients, run all the test the investigation they order etc when are this re not on in effect the doctor is a knw body in the health field.my kind opinion is that professionalism hv come to stayed in Nigeria, a nurse is consultant in his fields, pharmacy , scientists, likewise phototherapist etc when u denied these body n u want tile of consultants to ascribed only u is wrong.
The federal government is witness this trend now
Now they will believe every member of the health team is important. E.g if the clean did keep the ward clean I don't the the doctor wil n consult their n see patient. If the nurse did not strictly obey instructions for administer drugs correctly I don't things the doctor wil be happy to admit patient. Mind ur business n leave other to get what is due for them.