The man spoke the truth. My mother worked for 30 years a a medical laboratory scientist at LUTH. The truth is Nigerian doctors are the most greedy selfish arrogant and back stabbing set of professionals in the world.

Anytime health workers are asking or fighting for something, they will remove themselves. Then they will ask for their own separately. Anytime any other set of health workers, whether pharmacist, nurses or Laboratory scientist are fighting for their rights, maybe in area of renumeration or benefits, doctors always do their best to sabotage their efforts.

They do not want the renumeration of even a pharmacist to come even a thousand kilometers to their renumeration.

Anytime nurses, pharmacist laboratory scientist get a pay rise or benefits, the doctors will immediately start pressing for addition to their salaries and benefits.

When they go on their strike, no one disturbs them, but when others go on strike, they start crying to the high heavens, looking for every way and pulling strings in the corridors of power to sabotage their effort.

In fact, I don't know where Nigerian doctors got this evil and satanic traits from, and when you to most teaching hospital, dem get fellowship pass anything. I wonder wetin dem dey read for their Bible?

They say only doctors can be consultants, only doctors can be able to rise to positions of directorship.... the question is, it's that the practise in other parts of the world? If not, why do you want to establish that here....

Is pharmacy as a course any easier to study than medicine? I don't think so.

No one is saying doctors should not be given their proper place in the scheme of things in the health sector, and God knows they already have more than enough of that. But what the doctors want is nothing other than subjugating every other heath sector worker under their feet.They want them grovelling and begging at their feet.

Then go and ask anyone who uses teaching hospital, the doctors are so arrogant and full of themselves; they treat people except people they perieve important shabily.

They always shouting renumeration, but doctors are already the highest paid paid public servants (excluding politicians) in Nigeria.

The pay of their counterparts in the private sector doesn't come close at all to their monthly take home pay.

The government really needs to clip their wings. B They should import heath workers or make necessary legislation to do this.

lanrefront1: The man spoke the truth. My mother worked for 30 years a a medical laboratory scientist at LUTH. The truth is Nigerian doctors are the most greedy selfish arrogant and back stabbing set of professionals in the world.
Anytime health workers are asking or fighting for something, they will remove themselves. Then they will ask for their own separately. Anytime any other set of health workers, whether pharmacist, nurses or Laboratory scientist are fighting for their rights, maybe in area of renumeration or benefits, doctors always do their best to sabotage their efforts.
They do not want the renumeration of even a pharmacist to come even a thousand kilometers to their renumeration.
Anytime nurses, pharmacist laboratory scientist get a pay rise or benefits, the doctors will immediately start pressing for addition to their salaries and benefits.
When they go on their strike, no one disturbs them, but when others go on strike, they start crying to the high heavens, looking for every way and pulling strings in the corridors of power to sabotage their effort.
In fact, I don't know where Nigerian doctors got this evil and satanic traits from, and when you to most teaching hospital, dem get fellowship pass anything. I wonder wetin dem dey read for their Bible?
They say only doctors can be consultants, only doctors can be able to rise to positions of directorship.... the question is, it's that the practise in other parts of the world? If not, why do you want to establish that here....
Is pharmacy as a course any easier to study than medicine? I don't think so.
No one is saying doctors should not be given their proper place in the scheme of things in the health sector, and God knows they already have more than enough of that. But what the doctors want is nothing other than subjugating every other heath sector worker under their feet.They want them grovelling and begging at their feet.
Then go and ask anyone who uses teaching hospital, the doctors are so arrogant and full of themselves; they treat people except people they perieve important shabily.
They always shouting renumeration, but doctors are already the highest paid paid public servants (excluding politicians) in Nigeria.
The pay of their counterparts in the private sector doesn't come close at all to their monthly take home pay.
The government really needs to clip their wings. B They should import heath workers or make necessary legislation to do this.

After all these rant which seem to me was programmed into you by your mum who spent 30years as a lab scientist, will you be against it if your child wishes to go to med school? i think not.
All these bile against doctors do nothing for the health sector, there is not short-cut in life, if you want equality of roles and titles with consultants, go back and study for another 15 years please.
If these amorphous fellows called JOHETSUK are given their demands, it wont be long before bricklayers start demanding equality with architects, auxillary nurse would want to be head of nursing department, civil defence go wan be general for army. Let us not turn Nigeria upside down simply because people want the benefits of what they didn't pay the price for. You should understand there must be a reason why lab science and medicine no get the same jamb entry score.

JOHESU is synonymous wit inferiority complex.
Their problem is like the story of a monkey who
shaved his beards, rubbed Powder & carried his
oga car to go and look for a gal, cos he wnts to
be lyk his master

lanrefront1: The man spoke the truth. My mother worked for 30 years a a medical laboratory scientist at LUTH. The truth is Nigerian doctors are the most greedy selfish arrogant and back stabbing set of professionals in the world.
Anytime health workers are asking or fighting for something, they will remove themselves. Then they will ask for their own separately. Anytime any other set of health workers, whether pharmacist, nurses or Laboratory scientist are fighting for their rights, maybe in area of renumeration or benefits, doctors always do their best to sabotage their efforts.
They do not want the renumeration of even a pharmacist to come even a thousand kilometers to their renumeration.
Anytime nurses, pharmacist laboratory scientist get a pay rise or benefits, the doctors will immediately start pressing for addition to their salaries and benefits.
When they go on their strike, no one disturbs them, but when others go on strike, they start crying to the high heavens, looking for every way and pulling strings in the corridors of power to sabotage their effort.
In fact, I don't know where Nigerian doctors got this evil and satanic traits from, and when you to most teaching hospital, dem get fellowship pass anything. I wonder wetin dem dey read for their Bible?
They say only doctors can be consultants, only doctors can be able to rise to positions of directorship.... the question is, it's that the practise in other parts of the world? If not, why do you want to establish that here....
Is pharmacy as a course any easier to study than medicine? I don't think so.
No one is saying doctors should not be given their proper place in the scheme of things in the health sector, and God knows they already have more than enough of that. But what the doctors want is nothing other than subjugating every other heath sector worker under their feet.They want them grovelling and begging at their feet.
Then go and ask anyone who uses teaching hospital, the doctors are so arrogant and full of themselves; they treat people except people they perieve important shabily.
They always shouting renumeration, but doctors are already the highest paid paid public servants (excluding politicians) in Nigeria.
The pay of their counterparts in the private sector doesn't come close at all to their monthly take home pay.
The government really needs to clip their wings. B They should import heath workers or make necessary legislation to do this.

Let he with functional brain cells listen.

THE TROUBLE WITH THE NIGERIAN HEALTH
SECTOR
For a longtime now I have come across so
many articles
and reports in the national dailies and in online
social
media on the rife in the health sector which
centers
mainly on the row between doctors and non-
doctors
working in the healthcare system. Most of these
reports
and articles, mostly lopsided, have one common
denominator, presenting the Doctor as an
enemy of the
people and the manner of their submissions is
such as to
draw undue sympathy from the unsuspecting
public. But
for the neutral members of the society who
have had
cause to have sufficient contact with the
hospital
environment, I’m not talking of some quasi
journalists,
they need not be told, if there are, who the
Angels and
Demons are.
This article is not aimed at indicting or
exonerating any of
the two combatant parties as both have had a
fair share of
the blame, and honestly, the deplorable state of
our
healthcare system is not as a result of the
performance of
the health workers, but it is a component of an
overall
failed system called Nigeria which the current
government
is still trying to salvage amongst other difficult
challenges. Considering the lines along which
the divide
has been made, I shall delve into an inquest of
some of
the key issues at stake, mostly those that affect
the
general public, and this I will do by placing the
Nigerian
Doctor on one side to be reviewed alongside a
few of the
numerous “health professionals” working in the
healthcare system with due consideration to the
most
important person in the system, the Patient. I
shall
concentrate mostly on the tertiary healthcare
institutions
where the bulk of the rivalry is most felt.
The Patient and the Hospital:
Let us begin from the beginning. A healthy
person falls
sick and needs to regain his health and function
properly.
He says to himself, “I don’t feel well enough, I
need to see
a Doctor. May be I should go to the hospital
tomorrow”.
He sets out of his house with this principal aim.
On
getting to the hospital, he first gets to the
reception,
obtains a card at the Out Patient Department
and then
proceeds to see a Doctor (usually a Medical
Officer) if his
condition is one that necessitates a Specialists
attention,
he is then Referred to another Doctor, the
Specialist
(Consultant) for further treatment. On getting to
the point
of referral, the Record staff assist him in
opening a folder
containing case notes, and in the process of
this, a Doctor
(Consultant) is assigned to him. The entire
process of
obtaining a card and folder have no direct effect
on the
patient’s condition but help ensure proper
documentation
and recording within the hospital. He is then
directed to
the designated Specialist or Consultant Clinic
where he is
received by a Nurse who does further
documentation and
records his vital signs which may or may not
be repeated
by the Doctor. Then the patient enters the clinic
to see the
Doctor, his primary aim for coming to the
hospital ab
initio.
The Patient, the Doctor and Other Health
Workers:
The Doctor begins by taking a complete history
of the
patient which includes his current complaints,
previous
health challenges, living condition, social habits,
family
history, drug history, financial capacity, religious
and
cultural beliefs, and then proceeds to do a
complete
physical examination of his entire body system,
at the end
of which the Doctor would have verified the
patients
complaints and identified any other problems
unknown to
the patient, before arriving at a Provisional
Diagnosis. He
then counsels the patient, draws up a treatment
plan,
which is to be strictly adhered to provided the
patient is
within the hospital environment, and
automatically takes
full responsibility for any problems encountered
along the
line. He finally schedules him for a follow-up
visit to
ascertain his response to treatment. This
process of
history taking creates a personal relationship
between the
Patient and the Doctor and this is where the
confidence of
a patient on the Healthcare system of a Nation
is built; the
Doctor-Patient Relationship.
The treatment plan of the Patient, drawn by the
Doctor,
may or may not include; the investigations (or
tests) both
laboratory or radiological to be carried out, the
drugs to
be dispensed and the appropriate prescription,
the
additional care to be rendered outside the basic
nursing
care and the treatment orders to be followed,
some of
which he does himself (or via his subordinate
Doctors)
and others by the Nurses. There is no
stereotyped outline
of what must be done for every patient;
investigations to
be carried out, treatment to be administered or
drugs to be
prescribed lies solely at the discretion of the
Patient and
his Doctor.
Apart from the Nurses, all other “Health
Professionals”
come into patient care when the Doctor’s plan
involves
them. Clearly, a patient has no business with
the
Radiographer if the Doctor’s plan does not
involve
radiography, neither does he have any business
with the
Pharmacist if the patient does not require any
drugs, of
course, not every patients require drugs.
Therefore, it is
safe to assert that if Patient Care is the sole
interest of
everybody in the Health sector, then the Doctor
takes the
Central stage in this service to Patients and
must carry
the Nurses along at every point in time, and
together they
look out for any other “Health Professional” that
should be
roped into patient care. Why then should the
Doctor take
the Central stage? Very simple. He has been
trained
thoroughly to do so. Invariably, the Doctor is
naturally the
undisputed leader of the Health team and only
two classes
of people can challenge this standing; the
criminal minded
ones pursing their selfish interests and the dim-
wits
incapable of any logical reasoning.
On the Headship of the Hospital:
Over time, the functional head of the tertiary
hospital
setting has been the office of the Chief Medical
Director,
CMD, and part of the Act establishing the
hospitals
specified that this position be held by a Medical
Doctor.
However, there has recently been a loud cry
from other
“Health Professionals” under the auspices of the
Joint
Health Workers Union (JOHESU) for the chance
to also
partake in the “enjoyment” of this office, as if to
say it is a
political office, a “National Cake” which should
be shared
equally to everyone in the scene, whereas, it is
the most
sensitive of all positions in the hospital setting,
one with
huge implications on the health of patients. The
Medical
Doctors on the other hand, insist that the office
of the
Chief Medical Director and the headship in
general, of the
Hospitals is their exclusive reserve.
How true is this claim by the Doctors? Again, it
is very
simple. Healthcare is all about patient care, and
in
rendering care to the patient who is the main
focus of
everyone, the Doctor is the arrow head. He
brings together
the activities of all in the health care delivery
system to
bear fruit on the health of the patient. He has a
broad-
based and yet in-depth medical knowledge that
enables
him to function as a leader in patient
management and
take responsibility for the outcome. It is then
indeed a
funny ideology to expect the Doctor to maintain
leadership of Patient Management and then
cede the
leadership of the Hospital Management to a
Non-Doctor.
Right thinking people would agree that whoever
takes the
blame should take the lead. Leadership is about
responsibility, and Doctors embrace such
responsibility
mainly as it involves lives which they have
sworn an oath
to protect.
Furthermore, JOHESU, a body comprising of
other “health
professionals”, support staffs and in fact all in
the Hospital
setting except Doctors, claim to be equal and
allied to
Medicine. But my question is, how is the
clerical staff
allied to Medicine? How can a support staff
head the core
members of the organization? Also, why should
a
“profession” that is “allied” to Medicine
surmount
Medicine? Can a Non-Lawyer become the
Attorney
General of the Federation? Why isn’t the office
of the Vice-
Chancellor made open to every staff in the
University
system since ASUU and NASUU both consist of
“professionals”? How would ceding hospital
leadership to
JOHESU improve the health indices of our
country? These
are people that do not deal directly with
patients, people
that do not really understand the agony of
patients which
Doctors do. The saddest part is the extent they
can go to
press home their irrational demands. We have a
documented occurrence of how they turned off
power
supply to the Intensive Care Unit during a
JOHESU
orchestrated strike action in a southeastern
Teaching
Hospital leading to death of patients on life
support. This
was an attempt to frustrate the Doctors’ effort
to keep
hospital services running while they were
“striking”. How
can people who have displayed this level of
irresponsibility be allowed to head the Health
sector?
Again, God forbid!
It is a common saying that Doctors are “proud”,
and I
insist, they have very just reasons to be, and
when it
comes to arrogance, the patients can tell who
amongst
Doctors and Nurses are more approachable.
Doctors are a
select class of elite and comprise the best
brains of the
society. Yes, the entry requirements into the
profession
and the medical training ensure that only the
best emerge
as Doctors. As such, the government has to
understand
that any arrangement that sees a Non-Doctor in
a
sensitive position to head Doctors in any Health
related
issue would be met with fierce resistance and
the never
ending tussle it will ensue will have detrimental
effects on
our nation’s healthcare delivery. In the interest
of peace
and decorum, the Federal Government has to
dig in and
ensure that the status quo is been maintained.
The ear
that will hear needs not be the size of a raffia
palm.
On conferment of Consultancy on other “Health
Professionals”:
A Consultant (Medical) is the title for a senior
hospital-
based physician or surgeon who has completed
all of his/
her specialist (Residency) training and has been
placed
on the specialist register (Fellow) in their
chosen
specialty. This level of Doctor joins the Civil
service as a
Consultant and automatically leads a team of
Doctors
comprising Residents, Medical Officers and
House Officers
who train under him.
Currently, there has been an outcry by JOHESU
to also be
awarded Honorary Consultancy based on the
fact that
Doctors are been appointed as Consultants,
why not they
too. The concession of the government to this
particular
demand has led to the entire hospital going
berserk in
some centers. This was done against the
warning of the
Nigerian Medical Association that the
introduction of such
“alien” practices would be detrimental to the
lives of
patients and the results are showing.
At the Nnamdi Azikiwe University Teaching
Hospitals, it is
been said that a “Consultant Pharmacist”
invaded the
wards with his team, cancelling patients
prescriptions and
also demanded that a Consultant Cardiologist
remove a
key drug in an inpatient prescription, on grounds
that the
drug has some known adverse effects. Another
report has
it that in Abuja University Teaching Hospital,
the Ante-
Natal Clinic was invaded by Nurses who
decided to
consult patients and make prescriptions, of
which the
Doctors left the clinic and the Patients were
confused.
Patients who sought to see their Doctors were
told that
there was a “Consultant Nurse” who does
whatever a
Consultant does. Also, in University College
Hospital,
Ibadan, stories had it that a Consultant Plastic
Surgeon
was barred from reviewing the surgical wound
he created
post-operatively because a “Consultant Nurse”
had
reviewed the wound earlier and was satisfied
with her
findings.
Let us address one of these occurrences. It is
grave
ignorance for a Pharmacist to tamper with a
drug
prescription simply because he has looked
through his
drug formulary and has identified a known
adverse effect
of the drug when he/she has no knowledge of
the
processes involved in the making of diagnosis
and
prescriptions. Patient management is highly
individualized. To make a prescription, the
Doctors put
many things into consideration viz; patient’s
history and
examination, financial cost of the drug, benefits
against
the risk of using the drug, other drugs to be
administered
etc. Sometimes the side effect of a drug is the
desired
effect needed in one patient but would remain a
serious
adverse effect in another patient. But no, the
Pharmacist
didn’t think in that line before cancelling
prescriptions. I
am not saying every doctor’s prescription is
infallible.
No. But if a pharmacist wishes to express
concern over a
patient’s prescription, he should discuss with
the Doctor
to sort out their concerns.
This whole consultancy for non-doctors arose
as a result
of their quest to have better remuneration. I am
not
opposed to better remuneration for other health
workers,
but looking for cheap means to it at the
expense of the
lives of patients is grossly unacceptable. Why
would you
want to be a Specialist (Consultant) when you
have no
specialty, or you have a specialty in an area
whose
service is not needed? Even if a non-doctor
must be a
consultant that does not automatically make
him/her a
Doctor. We all know how to become a Doctor
and age is
no barrier.
If non-doctors must immutably be made
consultants, their
duties and jurisdictions must be clearly spelt
out and
understood by all involved. A Consultant Nurse
should be
confined to Nursing Practice and she will be
expected to
enhance it, not to invade Medical Practice. She
must
ensure that the management plan of a Doctor is
properly
carried out, even if he is a House Officer.
Unfortunately,
the idea of non-doctor consultant emanates
from the
desire of these other “health Professionals” for
position
and better pay than the desire to meet any
specific needs.
For instance, a ward Nurse that does her duties
properly
becomes a Consultant, what extra services and
improvement does that bring to nursing care?
The fact that
there exist non-doctor consultants in a few
foreign
countries does not explain why the government
should
channel huge sums of money into the payment
of
honorarium to consultants that add nothing to
the existing
system but chaos. The NMA have identified
these
unhealthy health policies and should do all it
can to
prevent it from killing Nigerians.
On relativity of Wages:
Another very important object of discord is the
demand by
JOHESU for a unified salary scheme for
everyone in the
health sector and that will see a close
approximation of
the eventual earnings of all in the sector. What
else can be
sillier? Need I remind us that in every
organization there
is usually an established strata. Even in heaven,
there are
Angels and Arch angels, and the angels are
content with
their positions and would not want to usurp the
duties of
the Arch angels either. People cannot obtain
different
qualifications, different expertise, subserve
different needs
and end up earning similar pay. No. That
cannot happen.
Why would a non-specialist insist on being paid
specialists allowance? Why would a Non-doctor
terrorize
the government because he wants to be paid
like Doctors?
Where in the world is that obtainable? Relativity
is
sacrosanct and must be reflected both on the
basic
salaries and all allowances.
Granted. Doctors are few. Very very few. The
World Health
Organisiation recommends that a Doctor should
consult
not more than seven patients in a clinic session
and
should pay maximum attention to their needs,
but our
environment see us in a situation where a
Doctor consults
over 40 patients in one clinic session, yet, he is
underpaid
compared to his colleagues even in nearby
Ghana. There
are less than 30,000 Doctors currently
practicing in
Nigeria subserving over 170 million Nigerians,
and there
is a dire need for more, but that will not push
the Medical
schools to take in everybody and churn out
unqualified
people as Doctors, neither will the Nigerian
Doctor allow a
Non-Doctor to tamper with the lives of patients.
Doctors
swore an oath to preserve lives and the NMA
must see to
it that the lives of Nigerians are safeguarded. If
the
Hippocratic Oath is to be taken serious, then
the NMA
must win this battle.
More often than not, we are clear on the
knowledge that it
is injustice to treat equal people unequally, but
it fails to
come to our minds that, it is graver injustice to
treat
unequal people equally. This is not pride, it is a
statement
of fact. Doctors and Non-doctors in the Health
sector are
not equal and they cannot be treated as equal.
There is a
reason why some students work harder than
others to
become Doctors. Some sat for JAMB several
times to
achieve that, although many fail to do so and
even some
do fail out of medical school and end up as
“other Health
Professionals”. To eventually anticipate to be
rewarded
equally with those who triumphed where you
failed is
simply madness. The government must see to it
that
relativity is maintained. For if a Nurse or
Pharmacist
consults patient, not regarding quality of the
consult,
earns equally with a Doctor and even get a
chance to
head the Doctor, why then would one need to
work harder
to become a Doctor when he can easily become
a
Pharmacist? Tampering with relativity is a
conscious
attempt at breeding mediocrity, again at the
expense of
lives. If the Nurses and Pharmacists accept to
be paid
equally with the Lab “Scientist” and Janitors,
it’s their
own cup of tea, but paying Doctors and Non-
doctors
equally? God forbid!
On the Physiotherapists’ demand to make first
contact
with Patients:
According to Prof. K. E. Obidike, there are three
reasons
why patients go to see Doctors. Firstly, is to
ascertain the
causes of their complaints and resolve them.
Secondly, is
to identify any other health problems unknown
to the
patient, and again, resolve them timely, and
finally, to
have a baseline documentation of the patient as
a
reference for subsequent health issues. The
second
reason especially, answers the question as to
why a
Physiotherapist cannot make first contact with
patients.
Medicine is holistic, and the initial assessment
of a
patient takes the entire body system into
account not just
the presenting complaints. Therefore,
Physiotherapists
should remain Physiotherapists and should
come into
action when consulted. Simple.

My take on this is that whenever the Doctors go on strike, they should loose somthing as well which must include their salaries while the industrial action lasts. The helpless masses should not be the only set of ppl at the receiving end.

The Drs are beneffiting a lot from strike actions ranging from getting paid without work to diverting patients to their private hospitals.

What disgutes me most about them is that most of them are glorified "first aid givers" gambling with ppl's lives.

The FG should just adopt Lagos State approach in cutting their silly wings.

My question for JOHESU is this:

You KNEW before you picked your JAMB form that there's a bias towards medical doctors. You KNEW before you entered your school of Nursing that there was a deeply entrenched hierarchical arrangement favoring the Medical doctors. Yet you went ahead.

Why cry 'wolf' now?

It is rather unfortunate dat doctors feel that D̶̲̥̅̊ε̲̣̣̣̥γ̲̣̣̥ r d alpha ‎​​aπϑ omega when it comes to medical practice.other health workers hv decided to fight 4 ‎​A̶̲̥̅ cause dat Ȋ̝̊̅§ right ‎​​aπϑ its nw ‎​A̶̲̥̅ problem.haba

Gloria Iheanacho writes. And i found it interesting.

I am a Medical lab scientist in one of the state hospitals. I have this strange feeling for doctors, hatred is the extreme form of what i feel about them. Its nothing personal. My family are JOHESU-mother is a nurse practising in the US for more than 16yrs, father is a pharmacist. 2 of my siblings are pharmacist and one a nurse. My mother watched the sunrise daily yesterday and kept on screaming. Theres no place in the US in which the other health workers heads. They are usually headed by doctors. Not all nurses are made consultants. You talk about consultant nurse when you talk about the legal aspect and they dont work in hospitals. Relativity is maintained everywhere in the health sector. Whats the debate about?
As hard as it is for me to write this, i want to be on the side of truth. The doctors in this country are not given the necessary respect that they need. Personally, i have read the 24 point demands and i think theres so much sense in it. The FG needs to do something about this. Lets join our hands and build our health sector. Health they say is wealth

Nigeria Doctors had lost it you cannot force people to be their lord health is like a football team every one so important until we understand this our health care will still be ranked 191 out of 197 by who ranking and people will bear the pain

lanrefront1: The man spoke the truth. My mother worked for 30 years a a medical laboratory scientist at LUTH. The truth is Nigerian doctors are the most greedy selfish arrogant and back stabbing set of professionals in the world.

Anytime health workers are asking or fighting for something, they will remove themselves. Then they will ask for their own separately. Anytime any other set of health workers, whether pharmacist, nurses or Laboratory scientist are fighting for their rights, maybe in area of renumeration or benefits, doctors always do their best to sabotage their efforts.

They do not want the renumeration of even a pharmacist to come even a thousand kilometers to their renumeration.

Anytime nurses, pharmacist laboratory scientist get a pay rise or benefits, the doctors will immediately start pressing for addition to their salaries and benefits.

When they go on their strike, no one disturbs them, but when others go on strike, they start crying to the high heavens, looking for every way and pulling strings in the corridors of power to sabotage their effort.

In fact, I don't know where Nigerian doctors got this evil and satanic traits from, and when you to most teaching hospital, dem get fellowship pass anything. I wonder wetin dem dey read for their Bible?

They say only doctors can be consultants, only doctors can be able to rise to positions of directorship.... the question is, it's that the practise in other parts of the world? If not, why do you want to establish that here....

Is pharmacy as a course any easier to study than medicine? I don't think so.

No one is saying doctors should not be given their proper place in the scheme of things in the health sector, and God knows they already have more than enough of that. But what the doctors want is nothing other than subjugating every other heath sector worker under their feet.They want them grovelling and begging at their feet.

Then go and ask anyone who uses teaching hospital, the doctors are so arrogant and full of themselves; they treat people except people they perieve important shabily.

They always shouting renumeration, but doctors are already the highest paid paid public servants (excluding politicians) in Nigeria.

[b]The pay of their counterparts in the private sector doesn't come close at all to their monthly take home pay.[b/]

The government really needs to clip their wings. B They should import heath workers or make necessary legislation to do this.

word!!!!!.it is only in this case that there is an abnormal diffrence in pay bettween the private dr and the public dr.
when a private fresh doctor is earning about 80k in the hospital a copper or a housemanship dr in a public hospital is earning aboiut 200k,how do you want the private dr to concentrate and grow?

i think a lot of public hospitals should be privated

Na wa o!

tunesoft: Gloria Iheanacho writes. And i found it interesting.

I am a Medical lab scientist in one of the state hospitals. I have this strange feeling for doctors, hatred is the extreme form of what i feel about them. Its nothing personal. My family are JOHESU-mother is a nurse practising in the US for more than 16yrs, father is a pharmacist. 2 of my siblings are pharmacist and one a nurse. My mother watched the sunrise daily yesterday and kept on screaming. Theres no place in the US in which the other health workers heads. They are usually headed by doctors. Not all nurses are made consultants. You talk about consultant nurse when you talk about the legal aspect and they dont work in hospitals. Relativity is maintained everywhere in the health sector. Whats the debate about?
As hard as it is for me to write this, i want to be on the side of truth. The doctors in this country are not given the necessary respect that they need. Personally, i have read the 24 point demands and i think theres so much sense in it. The FG needs to do something about this. Lets join our hands and build our health sector. Health they say is wealth

Any pertinent counter-claims please?

It is sad that Nigeria as a nation consistently refuse to Embrace the truth. A case as simple and straight forward as this should not be allowed to cause such uproar.
Firstly is the fact that most of us are not proud of our occupations and rather than get ourselves upgraded we sit down and hate on others.
Its just so sad that a Doctor who sacrifices his sleep and risks his life everyday for people he never knew before then will not be accorded equal respect, rather the people we trained to help us make the job easier and cover more grounds will one day rise up to lord over us.
Its a Sad war because we Doctors know the end. And it will hurt haters more when they remember the fact that over 99% of them will spend their dying moments hoping one of us Doctors can pull out one last trick from the hat.

Wow, Ȋ̝̊̅ made frontpage for the first time!

I ve observed one thing common among drs on this tread, they compare other health professionals with bricklayers, clearners, drivers, etc.
My question to them is this, do cleaners, bricklayers and drivers enter the civil service as graduats.
are u now placing pharmacist, optometrist on thesame cadre as cleaners and drivers.
I think arrogance is ignorant plus pride. This is what most drs are showcasing here.
if other graduates in the civil service can become directors in their career, why not health professionals.

Intimidating govt with strike and wasting the lives of nigerians is very wrong of NmA. All parties involved shld be doing their jobs, while competent court of jurisdiction look into the issues.

Hmmmm

reindeer:


After all these rant which seem to me was programmed into you by your mum who spent 30years as a lab scientist, will you be against it if your child wishes to go to med school? i think not.
All these bile against doctors do nothing for the health sector, there is not short-cut in life, if you want equality of roles and titles with consultants, go back and study for another 15 years please.
If these amorphous fellows called JOHETSUK are given their demands, it wont be long before bricklayers start demanding equality with architects, auxillary nurse would want to be head of nursing department, civil defence go wan be general for army. Let us not turn Nigeria upside down simply because people want the benefits of what they didn't pay the price for. You should understand there must be a reason why lab science and medicine no get the same jamb entry score.

Spoken like a true doctor.

Very stupid and unreasonable talk.

First my mum didn't programme anything to me. I saw what was happening with my own eyes because I frequent LUTH a lot while I was in Unilag. I have a mind of my own, and I know injustice and unreasonablness when I see one.

All you have said cannot be said to a good defense of doctors attitude and and their pursuit if sabotaging other health sector's workers to advance their profession.

If had a doctor son I would tell him the truth.

Are you saying Pharmacist are not cerebral enough to be directors in medical establishment. Medicine is not more cerebral or difficult than Pharmacist. Get a hold on your false ego.

So what are you guys saying? Are you saying if Dr. Dora Akunyili practised her career in a teaching hospital, she cannot become a director in administration while a doctor can simply because he studied medicine? Very ludicrous. What pomposity and such arrogance.

People, was I wrong now is saying Nigerian doctors are very arrogant, proud and back stabbing?

Then I asked a question that you cleverly dodged and avoided. What the doctors are asking for: Is that the best practises in other parts of the civilised world?

Because everyone cannot and should not be doctors. We have roles and I don't think anyone should be disrespected or stepped on for choosing a lesser role. These issues have been brewing overtime because of lack of respect in the system. I personally feel that if someone is a cleaner, respect that person for it and do not start asking why the person didn't choose a higher role because if that person doesn't do that lesser role, you end up doing everything yourself.

texazzpete: My question for JOHESU is this:

You KNEW before you picked your JAMB form that there's a bias towards medical doctors. You KNEW before you entered your school of Nursing that there was a deeply entrenched hierarchical arrangement favoring the Medical doctors. Yet you went ahead.

Why cry 'wolf' now?

Sylverbox: It is sad that Nigeria as a nation consistently refuse to Embrace the truth. A case as simple and straight forward as this should not be allowed to cause such uproar.
Firstly is the fact that most of us are not proud of our occupations and rather than get ourselves upgraded we sit down and hate on others.
Its just so sad that a Doctor who sacrifices his sleep and risks his life everyday for people he never knew before then will not be accorded equal respect, rather the people we trained to help us make the job easier and cover more grounds will one day rise up to lord over us.
Its a Sad war because we Doctors know the end. And it will hurt haters more when they remember the fact that over 99% of them will spend their dying moments hoping one of us Doctors can pull out one last trick from the hat.

Are you on crack or cocaine?

Doctors train pharmacists, medical labatatory scientists etc. Jesus Lord! You people arrogance knows no bounds. It rises up high to the heavens.

I have been in my mums lab many times at LUTH while medical students come to take classes on courses that borders on Parasitology, microbiology etc....

heykims: There re many pharmacists, nurses , medical lab scientists some I know personally dt go back to school after their first degree to pursue a degree in Medicine and Surgery, I even know of a 40year old pharmacist presently in 500L medicine. So any JOHESUite dt has d ambition of leading d medical team sud follow suit, SIMPLE!!!
One thing for sure dt I know is dt JOHESU can NEVER win ds battle even if they go beyond recruiting cleaners, messengers, portals, cashier nd start incorporating d bodies in d morgues in their deceitful union ...

Exactly. People want to reap where they didn't sow. If you want to be a Consultant, the path to being a Consultant had been laid before your were born,you were well aware of it, but for whatever reason, you left that path,and now wish to use brutal force and public sympathy to create an 'apian way' (shortcut) to lead you to consultancy post.


It's akin to a HND holder crying over why B.sc is of a higher value,and seeking to make HND equal to B.sc by forcing the govt. When he knew ab initio that polytechnics can only give him HND and that HND had always being considered lower than B.sc, yet he refused to gain entrance into uni to obtain a B.sc.

So director cadre,minister cadre, consultancy is doctors birthright
Daris God ˚°◦ooo☺º°˚˚°ºo

It is well, God is watching all of us.
I have nothing to say anymore
It is obvious that inflated egoism is part of medicine curriculum.

Now nurses is jus changing catheter be their job? God is watching u people.
When u treat people u work with like shit,u expect respect.
God will judge u people
Allowing pharmacist become directors or physiotherapist become consultants.

How cAn u not want others to grow.is their Any other form of wickedness that surpasses this.

You guys shuold tell your self the truth ˚°◦ooo☺º°˚˚°ºo.

God bless us all

texazzpete: My question for JOHESU is this:

You KNEW before you picked your JAMB form that there's a bias towards medical doctors. You KNEW before you entered your school of Nursing that there was a deeply entrenched hierarchical arrangement favoring the Medical doctors. Yet you went ahead.

Why cry 'wolf' now?

Honestly, this post is so bankrupt of wisdom and common sense that there is no need to waste time in replying.

lanrefront1:

Are you on crack or cocaine?

Doctors train pharmacists, medical labatatory scientists etc. Jesus Lord! You people arrogance knows no bounds. It rises up high to the heavens.

I have been in my mums lab many times at LUTH while medical students come to take classes on courses that borders on Parasitology, microbiology etc....

then I guess you need to revisit history for more education. And as for your mum's lab its not news that we have Doctors who work in the labs and also lecture medical students(not saying others don't train them too). Pharmacists don't deserve to row in d puddle with this little minds called Johesu.
Noted, there doctors who deserve the boot too especially corrupt CMDs scattered all over the country. But until we begin to stand for what is right am afraid things will never work out. And what is right should be inline with minimum acceptable standard the world over.

succeeded in making doctors look more greedy.....sad

Sylverbox: then I guess you need to revisit history for more education. And as for your mum's lab its not news that we have Doctors who work in the labs and also lecture medical students(not saying others don't train them too). Pharmacists don't deserve to row in d puddle with this little minds called Johesu.
Noted, there doctors who deserve the boot too especially corrupt CMDs scattered all over the country. But until we begin to stand for what is right am afraid things will never work out. And what is right should be inline with minimum acceptable standard the world over.

Just talk clearly, don't doctors receive lectures from medical labaroratory scientists.

God you can lie sha.....

And please do explain how doctors train pharmacists, Medical laboratory scientist and physiotherapist.

And while at it, do tell what these professionals are doing while doctors train their students.... Eating groundnut and guguru.....

myspnigeria: succeeded in making doctors look more greedy.....sad

No one succeeded in making them look greedy....... Doctors are greedy.....it is not a figment of anyone's imagination...

Rubbish

Lordmykel: mr death, i guess!

Pray fervently you don't meet him when next you go!

tunesoft: Gloria Iheanacho writes. And i found it interesting.

I am a Medical lab scientist in one of the state hospitals. I have this strange feeling for doctors, hatred is the extreme form of what i feel about them. Its nothing personal. My family are JOHE hiSU-mother is a nurse practising in the US for more than 16yrs, father is a pharmacist. 2 of my siblings are pharmacist and one a nurse. My mother watched the sunrise daily yesterday and kept on screaming. Theres no place in the US in which the other health workers heads. They are usually headed by doctors. Not all nurses are made consultants. You talk about consultant nurse when you talk about the legal aspect and they dont work in hospitals. Relativity is maintained everywhere in the health sector. Whats the debate about?
As hard as it is for me to write this, i want to be on the side of truth. The doctors in this country are not given the necessary respect that they need. Personally, i have read the 24 point demands and i think theres so much sense in it. The FG needs to do something about this. Lets join our hands and build our health sector. Health they say is wealth

You have no iota of idea of what you are talking about. Government hospitals like Veterans Medical Centers (the biggest Federal funded hospital chain in USA) are not headed by medical doctors. Some doctors are in what will best be described as Board of Directors. But the overall head is usually someone trained in Business or Healthcare administration. The overall head known as the Secretary of VA Mr. Shinseki thst just resigned has M.A in English while Mr. Sloans who is the acting Secretary now has M.A in Economics. It is pertinent to note that each facility has a director and I am yet to know any facility that has a medical doctor as the overall head. You can Google their website at www.VA.gov to educate yourself. Hospitals in US are run as corporations that they are and not as "ego massage parlours".

I think all they can do is sell cheap lies. The administrative aspect of the hospital has already been taken care of by the office of the
director of administration (DA). I believe every hospital also have the board of Directors instituted which is the highest decision
making body instituted by the state or federal Government. The office of the CMD however is to give the medical leadership the
hospital needs and that is the exclusive right of a medical doctor.
the constitution says "medically qualified and with postgraduate qualification". This phrase only mean that Doctors and to a lesser
extent nurses are those that are medically qualified because being medically qualified means you are more or less can practice
medicine. The lab scientist are therefore not medically qualified because their license does not entitle them to practice medicine,
same too are the pharmacists and physiotherapist and radiographers.
Being medically qualified also entails being an all rounder in all facets of medicine which is something the MBBS degree confers on
the doctor. The lab scientist is restricted to Lab medicine. What does he know about physiotherapy, clinical medicine or even
pharmacy? Same thing too with the pharmacist or physiotherapist.
Nigeria is only where things can go wrong.

Johesu are quick to talk about consultancy for her members (that's another talk on it's own) because US and UK do them but also
fail to know that relativity which they kick against is also what is obtainable in US and UK. A pathologist take home an upwards of
$300k while a lab scientist take home $120k. That is relativity! And it's worse in countries like Qatar and UAE where doctors can
literally earn 5 Times what other paramedics earn!

Johesu must stop deceiving themselves. Every information is on google but as usual because Nigerians rarely research, they would
believe everything thrown at them hook, line and sinker. If they want us to go by their so called "international standards". Then I bet
you that a house officer must earn twice what a lab scientist earn and the consultant must earn thrice what the highest paramedic
earn. Abii didn't Albert Einstein win a Nobel prize for his ground breaking theory on Relativity?
Bunch of mediocres

as long as relativity is maintained i don't care about who becomes s consultant or cmd