I am addressing this because one of the demands by JOHESU is that teaching hospitals should employ their own consultants and not use honorary consultants because according to them the honorary consultant does not concentrate on his job in the teaching hospitals and shares his attention with the university.
So let me start by saying a teaching hospital is an institution set up for the clinical training of medical personnel which may be doctors, nurses, pharmacist, radiographers and medical lab scientist. However in Nigeria most were set up to train Medical Doctors. Correct me if I am wrong but there is no teaching hospital in Nigeria that is not affiliated to a Faculty of Clinical sciences of a College of medicine but there are many which have no college of nursing,pharmacy or medical laboratory science. Now a lecturer in the clinical sciences of a college of medicine must be at least a fellow of a post graduate medical college. It is with this he is now appointed an Honorary Consultant by the teaching hospital. As an honorary consultant, he runs, clinics, admits patients,if a surgeon operates and then he teaches. He teaches medical students and post graduate medical personnel known as residents. There are some consultants employed by the teaching hospitals but not by the University and these are supposed to be strictly for patient care and are not officially involved in teaching undergraduates, but do teach residents. So while the Hospital consultant does one job the Honorary consultant does two.
If someone now says teaching hospitals should do away with honorary consultants who are the teachers, what that person is saying in essence is scrap teaching hospitals and make them Specialist hospitals. However in Nigeria most consultants who are academically inclined prefer to be lecturers and prefer to be staff of university teaching hospitals where there is an academic atmosphere and people are constantly rubbing minds and interacting. That is why most of our specialist hospitals are specialist in a name only, they do not attract the kind of personnel they would have liked.
This is one of the reasons Doctors are fighting and striking. If people who do not even understand the reason why teaching hospitals are set up and staffed the way they are, now want to head teaching hospitals, there will be anarchy in the system.

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In a bid to single out medicine to make it look so good that what others are agitating for will be denied........you shot yourself severally on the foot with these post.
What exactly is the bone of contention here.
A teaching hospital that operates with one principle suddenly changed by approving honorary consultant for one profession and hanging the rest out to dry. The scenario you created exist in all the departments in the colleges where students will be taught by experts in their fields but it wasn't meant to be because consultant whether honorary or otherwise is the exclusive right of Nigerian doctors.

Training of all other medical personnel can take place outside a teaching hospital. It is only medical students that require a teaching hospital for their clinicals . The pharmacist, medical laboratory scientist, radiographers and nurses are employed by the teaching hospital purely for service, they are not employed by the university to teach and then seconded to the hospitals as is the case for medicine. Even where a University runs those courses their lecturers remain university staff and do not work in the hospitals. I hope you are aware that the salary of an honorary consultant level for level is almost the same as that of a full time consultant. They collect their salary from the university and the teaching hospital pays them a clinical supplementation that makes it at par to a colleague who is purely clinical. Unlike what many JOHESU members think consultants are not paid 2 salaries. As I said the average honorary consultant is an academic, he would do less work and with less stress if he remained a clinical specialist only.

allycat: Training of all other medical personnel can take place outside a teaching hospital. It is only medical students that require a teaching hospital for their clinicals . The pharmacist, medical laboratory scientist, radiographers and nurses are employed by the teaching hospital purely for service, they are not employed by the university to teach and then seconded to the hospitals as is the case for medicine. Even where a University runs those courses their lecturers remain university staff and do not work in the hospitals. I hope you are aware that the salary of an honorary consultant level for level is almost the same as that of a full time consultant. They collect their salary from the university and the teaching hospital pays them a clinical supplementation that makes it at par to a colleague who is purely clinical. Unlike what many JOHESU members think consultants are not paid 2 salaries. As I said the average honorary consultant is an academic, he would do less work and with less stress if he remained a clinical specialist only.

I gave up when i saw the first line, that nurses, physiotherapist, lab scientists, pharmacist and even dietitians don't need a hospital for their clinicals makes me to wonder where exactly this is coming from.
That they don't need honorary consultant to teach them who will also double as the hospital staff with wealth of experience is a pure fallacy.
Why is the case of medicine different.....why double them as hospital staff when according to them they are overworked..... why pay them the honorary allowance when you can employ lecturers with it since the salary is same. Why eat your cake and have it.
Scrap the honorary allowance and include it in all their teaching allowances, employ lecturers who are strictly university staff and let them focus on academics.
It is pure double standard because they all have to come to hospital for their clinicals and they need their honorary consultants to direct and teach them too.
It all come back to money, the manor bone of contention

As I said imagine someone who doesn't have an idea how medical education is carried out now wants to head a teaching hospital.I didn't say the others do not need a hospital to do clinicals not necessarily a teaching hospital. If a hospital does not have lecturers from the university as honorary consultants it will loose it's accreditation as a teaching hospital and become a specialist or general hospital. That is also why they are overworked, they do the job of a full consultant and that of a lecturer. The hospital gets the service of a consultant and pays only some allowances which is about half what they would pay a full consultant and the honorary consultants salary even when you add the clinical supplementation is not more than the full consultant.

allycat: As I said imagine someone who doesn't have an idea how medical education is carried out now wants to head a teaching hospital.I didn't say the others do not need a hospital to do clinicals not necessarily a teaching hospital. If a hospital does not have lecturers from the university as honorary consultants it will loose it's accreditation as a teaching hospital and become a specialist or general hospital. That is also why they are overworked, they do the job of a full consultant and that of a lecturer. The hospital gets the service of a consultant and pays only some allowances which is about half what they would pay a full consultant and the honorary consultants salary even when you add the clinical supplementation is not more than the full consultant.

You know yours and I know mine. Stopping me from getting my own honorary consultant while you still have yours is so wrong. It is not as if other health workers are agitating for these all of a sudden ...NO.....these has been the status quo until NMA decided that they are not supposed to be....claiming the title and allowance all to themselves.
Who are we kidding?? Money!!!!!!!

Let me give you a simple assignment. Google the word honorary consultant,if you can find anywhere where it refers to a non medical doctor let me know. Note I did not say honorary medical consultant, just honorary consultant. As I said how can someone who knows nothing about a prefers soon want to head it, they will just kill it with ignorance.

And please don't try to be smart by half and mention vets, they are vet inward MEDICAL doctors.

Sorry the iPad keeps auto correcting and I am typing with 2 two year olds climbing all over me and punching buttons while I type.

allycat: Let me give you a simple assignment. Google the word honorary consultant,if you can find anywhere where it refers to a non medical doctor let me know. Note I did not say honorary medical consultant, just honorary consultant. As I said how can someone who knows nothing about a prefers soon want to head it, they will just kill it with ignorance.

People that don't even know much heads it and recorded great impact before the self acclaimed all knowing CMD's came in pulling Nigeria to the 192 position and have been in charge for 30 years without any significant change.

I rest my case, it makes no sense preaching to the deaf!

. Lawyers wins and lose all the time but they rarely resort to insult, sentiment and antics when the going get tough. Check who made the list of the most suicidal profession in the world because they can't take the heat.
Back to where we started what were you saying.
Federal government is calling your ilk out on a debate........can you take the heat.

God bless you OP for this factual info.

In addition, most hospitals cannot pay the consultants as full time consultants so they employ them as honorary consultants and just give them a little allowance.

The honorary consultants are employed primarily by the university. Ignorance is a disease of the mind.

Only medical students need a teaching hospital for learnings? Others don't? These people will never cease to amaze.

Nurses can do their clinicals in an accredited general hospital , that's why states without a teaching hospital can have schools of nursing and trained nurses.

allycat: Nurses can do their clinicals in an accredited general hospital , that's why states without a teaching hospital can have schools of nursing and trained nurses.

doctors can equally do clinicals in an accredited general hospital! After all housemanship and residency have started in private hospitals. You want 5 star treatment and education exclusively for yourselves. What is good for the goose is also good for the gander. Get off ur superiority complex. No one is less a human and no profession is unimportant! !!! Get what u need and stop blocking others from getting theirs!!!!

Thank you allycat for explaining these things. God will bless you. At least the public will get to know the true picture through your write-up. Don't mind these jobless people who are all over this thread. Some of them may be actually paid to be on the internet all day long trying their best to counter any attempt by doctors to explain things to the ignorant public. For those that really want to know, an honorary consultant's salary comes partly from the univerisity and partly from the hospital. There is no double salary as the JOHESUites want everyone to believe.

sisiafrika: Only medical students need a teaching hospital for learnings? Others don't? These people will never cease to amaze.

dnt mind d dullard. As if na in papa get d hospitals.

pembisco:
dnt mind d dullard. As if na in papa get d hospitals.

Intelligent man .

I just wish people can cool down and read the act establishing teaching hospitals. Just read the whole act and save yourselves from online embarrassment.

nkemoke:

doctors can equally do clinicals in an accredited general hospital! After all housemanship and residency have started in private hospitals. You want 5 star treatment and education exclusively for yourselves. What is good for the goose is also good for the gander. Get off ur superiority complex. No one is less a human and no profession is unimportant! !!! Get what u need and stop blocking others from getting theirs!!!!

Criteria to have medical school in Njgeria is presence of a teaching hospital affliated to university. No teaching hospital, no medical school. That is standard worldwide. Note that medical education was exported to other parts of the world by US and Europe. allied health profession, pharmacy, and Nursling students usually do their clinical rotations in hospitals not necessary affiliated to universities.