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Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by Iwegbadu(m): 10:28am On Jul 16, 2014
Samgreguc:
lol. . . The Pharmacist play a very very vital role indeed.

I dont remember physchicians making drugs why are you denying your role as pharmacist who make this drugs and turn urself to .gods prescribing drugs to patients at pharmacys. When you know nithing about pharmacokinetics
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by Nobody: 10:38am On Jul 16, 2014
phantom: a man walks into my clinic and complains of generalized itching and on examination I found him to be jaundiced and maybe with an enlarged liver.
I don't need any bloody lab work to tell me the dude has obstructive jaundice.
if I do the lab work and it says malaria, I will query the lab work because what I saw clinically supports obstructive jaundice.
the lab scientists are claiming they diagnose. if that was true I the doctor would treat malaria and not obstructive jaundice SO IN EFFECT MY DEAR LAB SCIENTISTS,WHEN A DOCTOR REQUESTS FOR LAB WORK,HE ALREADY KNOWS WHAT RESULT HES EXPECTING. YOU DO NOT DIAGNOSE FOR US RATHER YOU CONFIRM OUR DIAGNOSES. THAT IS WHY WE CAN QUERY YOUR RESULTS.



For a period of about six months last year at a teaching hospital in the East....all serum electrolytes results for patients were reading hyperkalaemia...high potassium .....then at a point low levels were reported consistently for months...

Do you know the catastrophe that would have resulted if doctors didnt question these results?....we would be looking at a patient and the result would not be in keeping with the clinical manifestations....heart, kidney and other systemic problems would have been rampant.

For me, the greatest danger to the patient in and out of the medical setting is the laboratory JOHESITE
They did not even notice the trend...found nothing wrong with the electrolyte results....for months! shocked
Truly horrible

Then if I had a 100 naira for every time a patient comes from a "doctor" in a private lab...with a wrong diagnosis of typhoid fever, and the attendant antibiotic abuse....I would be veeerry rich...true story
SMH

This thread is meant for the general populace and not medical doctors and other health personnel, so I will lipsrsealed
I just remembered that potassium horror and had to share it
(Shudders again)

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Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by Morotov1(m): 11:11am On Jul 16, 2014
milychocs:



For a period of about six months last year at a teaching hospital in the East....all serum electrolytes results for patients were reading hyperkalaemia...high potassium .....then at a point low levels were reported consistently for months...

Do you know the catastrophe that would have resulted if doctors didnt question these results?....we would be looking at a patient and the result would not be in keeping with the clinical manifestations....heart, kidney and other systemic problems would have been rampant.

For me, the greatest danger to the patient in and out of the medical setting is the laboratory JOHESITE
They did not even notice the trend...found nothing wrong with the electrolyte results....for months! shocked
Truly horrible

Then if I had a 100 naira for every time a patient comes from a "doctor" in a private lab...with a wrong diagnosis of typhoid fever, and the attendant antibiotic abuse....I would be veeerry rich...true story
SMH

This thread is meant for the general populace and not medical doctors and other health personnel, so I will lipsrsealed
I just remembered that potassium horror and had to share it
(Shudders again)
The results were endorsed by a pathologist , I guess.

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Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by nursemyke: 11:15am On Jul 16, 2014
jpphilips:


So we are clear, if you read that thing I wrote up there and mistake me for a doctor then, if you are a medical practitioner, your sense of judgement is greatly impaired, If you want to know how doctors write read Phantom's post.
Like the Thread title suggests, this is for the patients, the Doctors and the "Doctor wanna be" can excuse us!!

Just in case "you" (assuming you are one of the doctor wannabe) who want to own patients, be rest assured that will only happen in the vertinary clinics because I can bet you that patient wont be me.




oga philips you are most ignorant concerning the politics and practices in the health sector. kindly stop misleading the general public. nobody is stealing the ownership of the patients from the medical consultants, all JOHESU is saying is that healthcare is a teamwork with respect being mutual and reciprocal. let me educate you that the so called members of JOHESU who wants to be adressed and treated as consultants have acquired the requisite academic and clinical competence in their various field of practice. this will enhance more patient care outcome. more consultant specialist in various field more healthcare benefit to the client.
there is paradigm shift in the healthcare industry now lets all accept it.
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by Lacombre: 11:56am On Jul 16, 2014
lexib: A doctor shd be d CMD... can't imagine a nurse
or lab scientist heading doctors in a hospital...
the hospital is the primary place of work for
Doctors and Nurses... other professionals are
ancilliary or support staffs... the primary place of
work for a Lab. Scientist is a Medical Research
laboratory best within in a University whr dey shd
make reagents n improve on available analytical
procedures, serve as a control for hospital-based
routine labs, carry out researches dat advance medical practice (dats why dey r scientists)... d govt shd look into dat, dey r to
head such places n not fight for headship with
doctors in hospitals, or call demsefs "scientists" wen all dey do is feed samples into auto-analysers (machines) and read out d results...

the primary place of work for pharmacists shd be
in Pharmaceutical companies... if d govt dsnt own
any, it means d country has bin importing drugs
or using those produced by private firms or
both... d pharmacist shd head here, dia job in d
hospital z supportive n not frontline as in these
companies... in hospitals, dey stock n dispense drugs, n r involved in patient drug counselling... dey dnt nid to review patient drug mgt for wen physicians are in doubt, dey invite the Therapeutic n toxicology team of Physicians for a review... Consultant pharmacists in foriegn climes are not hospital-based staffs...

the physiotherapist shd run a Rehabilitation
Home... etc.
the frontline hospital staffs are Doctors and
Nurses n only these two can talk about
headship... buh Nurses take oaths within which
they say "With loyalty, I shall ASSIST the
PHYSICIAN in the performance of HIS job"...
Nightangle pledge. I dnt fink Nurses insist on also
bcoming CMD, most importantly, Doctors shd
respect dem n carry them along.
SO, WHERE IS ALL THIS JOHESU THING COMING
FROM
You are one of the most ignorant posters on this thread.
Which standard hospital do you see both home and abroad without the services of the pharm and lab? So the hospital shld hv the services of doctors and nurses only? And in situations requiring emergency transfusion,the lab in the school premises would be contacted,right? What happened to proximity for efficient patient management?
And pharmacists shld only be in the drug production unit because they only assist in the hospitals? Are you still a student? You sound unrealistic.
Say what is applicable in Nigeria and other countries. Leave textbook knowldge aside.
@ bolded,simply confirms my suspicion. You are ignorant if you think having a machine marks the end of it all. Who does the quality control? Machines too?

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Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by lexib(m): 12:18pm On Jul 16, 2014
Lacombre:
You are one of the most ignorant posters on this thread.
Which standard hospital do you see both home and abroad without the services of the pharm and lab? So the hospital shld hv the services of doctors and nurses only? And in situations requiring emergency transfusion,the lab in the school premises would be contacted,right? What happened to proximity for efficient patient management?
And pharmacists shld only be in the drug production unit because they only assist in the hospitals? Are you still a student? You sound unrealistic.
Say what is applicable in Nigeria and other countries. Leave textbook knowldge aside.
@ bolded,simply confirms my suspicion. You are ignorant if you think having a machine marks the end of it all. Who does the quality control? Machines too?

You are at best a semi-literate... the fact dat some functions are indispensable dsnt make dem core, or more than supportive... Doctors can't function PROPERLY without support staffs... buh wifout Doctors, wat is JOHESU supporting Olodo!!!

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Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by armadeo(m): 12:28pm On Jul 16, 2014
nursemyke:
oga philips you are most ignorant concerning the politics and practices in the health sector. kindly stop misleading the general public. nobody is stealing the ownership of the patients from the medical consultants, all JOHESU is saying is that healthcare is a teamwork with respect being mutual and reciprocal. let me educate you that the so called members of JOHESU who wants to be adressed and treated as consultants have acquired the requisite academic and clinical competence in their various field of practice. this will enhance more patient care outcome. more consultant specialist in various field more healthcare benefit to the client.
there is paradigm shift in the healthcare industry now lets all accept it.



oga philips you are most ignorant concerning the politics and practices in the health sector. kindly stop misleading the general public. nobody is stealing the ownership of the patients from the medical consultants,


ok lets just agree with this to forestall further arguments.





all JOHESU is saying is that healthcare is a teamwork with respect being mutual and reciprocal


We agree that its teamwork but the team has a head. besides we know how h/o's are harassed and insulted by johesu members so how do you shout reciprocal respect when you aren't even respectful yourself.


the so called members of JOHESU who wants to be adressed and treated as consultants have acquired the requisite academic and clinical competence in their various field of practice.


want to be addressed and treated like consultants why? are you a consultant or you just decided that you should be called one on whim.

this will enhance more patient care outcome. more consultant specialist in various field more healthcare benefit to the client.

i have always said what do you want to do as a consultant that you aren't doing now,that the title will change.
in line with your statement that johesu has attained qualification which will improve patient care why do you need the title of consultant. I still dont get it.

a consultant radiographer will do what?
a consultant nurse will do what?
a consultant mls will do what?

kindly explain what you mean by improved health care to the patient using these parameters.

thank you.

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Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by Lacombre: 12:39pm On Jul 16, 2014
lexib:

You are at best a semi-literate... the fact dat some functions are indispensable dsnt make dem core, or more than supportive... Doctors can't function PROPERLY without support staffs... buh wifout Doctors, wat is JOHESU supporting Olodo!!!
Haha! I guess i hit a nerve. Take heart.
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by Tbamo(m): 2:00pm On Jul 16, 2014
YourHealthlabs:

Guess you've never heard of ear swab investigation and Antibiogram sensitivity testing in otitis media.
Of course you know everything a Scientist knows.


















I applaude you.

Hehe hehe so funny! I do what you are doing anytime my engineer bro is working and start dropping terms just to stay relevant but he knows I don't know shit!
Bro you will always be the lab guy! And we will always be the docs!

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Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by allycat: 2:27pm On Jul 16, 2014
YourHealthlabs:
Guess you've never heard of ear swab investigation and Antibiogram sensitivity testing in otitis media.
Of course you know everything a Scientist knows.
I applaude you.

There is no discharge in a patient t with Otitis media with effusion, so what are you swabbing and doing an M/C/S on. But I didn't expect you to know that. What I wanted to point out to you is there are so many conditions you are unaware of because they do not involve your discipline and so you were not taught about them. No one says investigations are not important but a doctor must first make a clinical diagnosis so he even knows what test are necessary or u necessary.

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Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by allycat: 2:38pm On Jul 16, 2014
YourHealthlabs:
Guess you've never heard of ear swab investigation and Antibiogram sensitivity testing in otitis media.
Of course you know everything a Scientist knows.
I applaude you.

There is no discharge in a patient with Otitis Media with Effusion, so what are you swabbing and doing an M/C/S on. The condition most non doctors know of is Suppurative Otitis media, this is when a patient has a discharge and even then an MCS is not one of the diagnostic criteri. But I really didnt expect you to know that. What I wanted to point out to you is there are so many conditions that do not need any laboratory tests to make a diagnosis at all. And many others that are diagnosed clinically and tests just used to confirm the diagnosis or to guide treatment. No one says investigations are not important but a doctor must first make a clinical diagnosis so he even knows what test are necessary.
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by jpphilips(m): 2:53pm On Jul 16, 2014
GentleMimi: @ phantom,my sister..
Is your explanation so bogus that even you cannot make yourself understood? You sound like a quack in the process of trying to come across as an ''independent'' worker.
Oh you do obtain diagnosis by physical examination only? Interesting. Or u are subjected to mild cases only,while the top guns handle more challanging cases. What the hell has this discussion got to do with rural hspt? We are talking of an average hospital,dude. Even if u find urself in a rural area,certain cases will require u to refer ur patient to the city for proper investigations. Rural hospitals have limits,so stop giving me lousy and lame examples.
You are the one running round in circles in an attempt to seem effective. Prior to sending ur patient out for investigations,what you have made is simply a guess work. If u get called up tomorrow,can u defend your guess work boldly?
It is peeps like u that are giving ur fellow doctors a bad name. A doc thinks he he can diagnose based on symptoms and interrogation only. Lol.
The Ebola virus has quite similar symptoms to acute malaria. I guess u'll give ur patient antimalaria to deal with such a case,right? Loool! Quackery village dokinto.

It takes someone with an average IQ to make out a topic sentence and a direction in an argument unfortunately, you were able to catch the topic sentence but you failed woefully to understand the direction.

For the sake of emphasis, Phantom made a blank statement but you were in a hurry to prove him wrong (even though the statement was too vague to be contested), all he needs to do is to paint scenarios that buttresses his point,
A smart man is what he is, an impatient person is who you are, I will advise you for free, when next someone makes a statement (topic statement) pin him down with applicable scenarios (direction) before you fire your stroke, so far, you sound so unserious, incoherent and goofy.

Phantom said he can do a clinical whatever without a lab test (blank statement), the impatient you (not uncommon with women anyways) started shouting the roof down, If I were you the next question would ave been,

Can yo do it in all medical cases? (the answer to this gives you the first base to strike)
Can you apply it in every environment?
Sincerely speaking, will you like the medical labs in your hospital to be withdrawn, if yes why?

You sound learned but you are very far from being intelligent, Logical reasoning is not gotten from text books, you either continue making a mess of your education or you just SHUT UP!!

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Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by jpphilips(m): 3:30pm On Jul 16, 2014
joker5180: @Op you clearly are one of US.

Good write up, conqour with most of your points but I differ as follows;

NON DOCTOR CONSULTANT
NMA should not be against this, allow them to become CONSULTANTS but each one of them MUST have JOB DESCRICTION so that a NURSE CONSULTANT can not delay or stop a medical doctor's line of management even if he is a HOUSE OFFICER, she can only advice where necessary. Same should apply to other professionals.
NMA should ensure that their regulatory bodies come up with criteria that is internationally acceptable before such appointments can be effected, advanced academic qualifications and new skills rather than years of service should be the yard stick.

Point of correction, I am not one of you, I just went through the demands of the NMA and realized a few that are legitimate from a patient's perspective, reason I opened the thread, that does not in anyway undermine the other demands of NMA, I just considered them inconsequential for the sake of the thread.
Haven said that, I was expecting that asking for consultancy would have been the last on the list of events, IMHO, it is putting the cart before the horse.

Now, if JOHESU members really want to advance their careers, I don't see why the title "consultant" should stop them, if it takes 33courses and 6yrs (an example) for a doctor to earn that title, I don't expect anything less from the other allied medicals else, it will be very unfair to the doctors at the same time, nature like we know will follow the path of least resistance.

Answer me honestly, have you seen the curriculum drafted by JOHESU before fighting for the "consultant" title? I was expecting that if this is about career advancement, JOHESU president or whatever they have, should be able to sit with the NMA chairman probably with the minister of health to discuss the blue print and the curriculum before talking about titles, for sake of confusion, they may be given a different title but retain the benefits.

There must be order in our health care delivery, I emphasized so much on the "owning the patient" part because I know that is where the bulk of the responsibility lies, now JOHESU has absolutely nothing in the works to assume that responsibility, is it fair to the Doctors who may likely find himself taking the fall on a case where a consultant nurse has messed up since the consultant nurse is absolved from having the final say on a patient?

See through the bricks, this is about money and position nothing more, I don't have any problems with both, all I desire is where every penny is earned, If a nurse wants to advance her learning and she goes so far where she cannot own a patient, what is the Nigerian tax payers paying her for? or don't you want us to get value for our money?

Let us look at the University for example though not quintessential to the subject of discourse, Professorship is conferred on all depts, but before you get one, there is a guideline, there is a path, once you meet those requirements, you can easily become one, that is why a professor of yoruba studies can stand shoulder to shoulder with prof. of chemical Engineering even though they set out on different career path.

Let me ask you honestly, have you seen the guidelines JOHESU wants to use to become consultants? at least we know how doctors get there, how do they wish to be there? do you want a situation where a radiographer goes to India to learn how to switch off an X ray machine and comes back to claim consultant and we start paying? it doesn't make sense, it will be anarchy in the end, most medical students in sophomore classes knowing there is a way out, will pull out and switch to allied medical courses, give Nigeria just 10yrs and we wont have a single doctor again, It has happened before and we don't want it to repeat again, we have learnt from our Saudi experience.

If JOHESU wish to become consultants by all means they should give Nigerians a workable guideline that will enable them to have the same capacity as the Doctors in terms of patient's care, anything short of that is wasting tax payers money.

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Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by jpphilips(m): 3:57pm On Jul 16, 2014
nursemyke:
oga philips you are [b]most ignorant [/b]concerning the politics and practices in the health sector. kindly stop misleading the general public. nobody is stealing the ownership of the patients from the medical consultants, all JOHESU is saying is that healthcare is a teamwork with respect being mutual and reciprocal. let me educate you that the so called members of JOHESU who wants to be adressed and treated as consultants have acquired the requisite academic and clinical competence in their various field of practice. this will enhance more patient care outcome. more consultant specialist in various field more healthcare benefit to the client.
there is paradigm shift in the healthcare industry now lets all accept it.


In my ignorance I stand with the NMA gidigba!! feel free to report me to the gods
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by GentleMimi: 3:58pm On Jul 16, 2014
LMAO! @ jpphilips. I can see you are really hurt by the fact that i countered phantom's lousy and lame examples with so much ease. You want me to shut up? Really? Loooool! Why not shut me up with an adequate argument rather than hiding behind your ''patient'' status. It is obvious you hate challanges. I've met people like you who are eager to trample on others just to exhibit superiority. I will not use insults to shut u up, but wld rather pick on your brain.
You claim to be a neutral body,yet u're too sensitive and make comments which do not support that fact. Come clean,boy. Why the tin dey pain u na? Abi ''phantom'' na ur alternate NL account?
Now,this is a confirmation of the fact that you are in the system,hiding as a ''patient'' just to get cheap sympathy. I dey lie? Lol! Do not be ashamed of ur profession na!
You made a vague statement as ''phantom'',right? If u wanna give examples,why wld it be a lame and vague one? Why not give us something applicable and realistic? Vague comments aimed at making others seem inconsequential.

This was his comment,and he was very clear. Why go further to ask him if he cld apply it in all medical cases?
that is why the doctor is head and shoulders above.
after a history and exsmination,85% of the time, we have a pretty good idea what our patient has. that is our training.
lab work and radio. are called ANCILLARY investigations. please get it into your head,NO DOCTOR WHAT HIS SALT DEPENDS ON LABS AND RADIO. FOR HIS DIAGNOSIS. take that to the bank!

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Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by phantom(m): 4:04pm On Jul 16, 2014
GentleMimi: LMAO! @ jpphilips. I can see you are really hurt by the fact that i countered phantom's lousy and lame examples with so much ease. You want me to shut up? Really? Loooool! Why not shut me up with an adequate argument rather than hiding behind your ''patient'' status. It is obvious you hate challanges. I've met people like you who are eager to trample on others just to exhibit superiority. I will not use insults to shut u up, but wld rather pick on your brain.
You claim to be a neutral body,yet u're too sensitive and make comments which do not support that fact. Come clean,boy. Why the tin dey pain u na? Abi ''phantom'' na ur alternate NL account?
Now,this is a confirmation of the fact that you are in the system,hiding as a ''patient'' just to get cheap sympathy. I dey lie? Lol! Do not be ashamed of ur profession na!
You made a vague statement as ''phantom'',right? If u wanna give examples,why wld it be a lame and vague one? Why not give us something applicable and realistic? Vague comments aimed at making others seem inconsequential.

**shakes head**
madam,please take it easy before you pop an artery. if you can't counter him,don't post.
when you get to the level of beginning to counter arguments with 'alternate moniker', it doesn't speak well of your intelligence.

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Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by GentleMimi: 4:09pm On Jul 16, 2014
phantom: **shakes head**
madam,please take it easy before you pop an artery. if you can't counter him,don't post.
when you get to the level of beginning to counter arguments with 'alternate moniker', it doesn't speak well of your intelligence.
What makes you think i aint calm? Talking of alternate moniker,why are peeps trying to decieve themselves,thinking they can decieve others? Ehn?
Patient indeed. Lol!
jpphilips:
In my ignorance I stand with the NMA gidigba!! feel free to report me to the gods
You sure do. Most of us saw through you from the start. Mr. Patient. grin
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by phantom(m): 4:22pm On Jul 16, 2014
why is it so difficult for you to accept that many diseases here are diagnosed clinically.
a man with chronic cough and severe weight loss IN OUR ENVIRONMENT may have
TB , bronchogenic carcinoma,aspiration pneumonia,HIV or COPD.
madam, with my training I can narrow down the likely diagnosis WITHOUT lab work JUST by asking a few questions?
any associated night sweats,any history of smoking?history of occupation,lifestyle,unprotected sex? how fast was the weight loss?any response to antibiotics?
if he has night sweats,madam I can stake my b.alls the dude has TB before i send him to do a SPUTUM AFB times 3 for confirmation.
in a rural area where there is no lab around and his life hinges on prompt action for instance,I will start him on anti TB drugs WITHOUT lab work.

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Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by jpphilips(m): 4:42pm On Jul 16, 2014
GentleMimi: LMAO! @ jpphilips. I can see you are really hurt by the fact that i countered phantom's lousy and lame examples with so much ease. You want me to shut up? Really? Loooool! Why not shut me up with an adequate argument rather than hiding behind your ''patient'' status. It is obvious you hate challanges. I've met people like you who are eager to trample on others just to exhibit superiority. I will not use insults to shut u up, but wld rather pick on your brain.
You claim to be a neutral body,yet u're too sensitive and make comments which do not support that fact. Come clean,boy. Why the tin dey pain u na? Abi ''phantom'' na ur alternate NL account?
Now,this is a confirmation of the fact that you are in the system,hiding as a ''patient'' just to get cheap sympathy. I dey lie? Lol! Do not be ashamed of ur profession na!
You made a vague statement as ''phantom'',right? If u wanna give examples,why wld it be a lame and vague one? Why not give us something applicable and realistic? Vague comments aimed at making others seem inconsequential.

This was his comment,and he was very clear. Why go further to ask him if he cld apply it in all medical cases?

I hope that starting your comment with my name is not an invitation, the last time I checked, I opened the thread so feel free to come into the ring, If after going through my posts and you still think I am a doctor then I must have over stated your IQ, I must warn you, with this IQ of a tadpole, what Phantom served you will be child's play to what I will dish out for you.
At your age and education (night studies by the way) you cannot even construct an argument let alone throw effective punches, yet you want to argue with JP Philips, you are not even scared!!

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Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by phantom(m): 5:04pm On Jul 16, 2014
jpphilips:

I hope that starting your comment with my name is not an invitation, the last time I checked, I opened the thread so feel free to come into the ring, If after going through my posts and you still think I am a doctor then I must have over stated your IQ, I must warn you, with this IQ of a tadpole, what Phantom served you will be child's play to what I will dish out for you.
At your age and education (night studies by the way) you cannot even construct an argument let alone throw effective punches, yet you want to argue with JP Philips, you are not even scared!!
look, jp, some people are dense.it takes a while before they assimilate things.it can be a frustrating experience making them learn new things.
she looks to me like one of those.I will try,take my time and teach her.
evolution filters out many of such people BUT a few still manage to slip through. fact of life!
so I basically see it as a mistake of nature.easier for me to deal with them without getting pissed.

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Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by Tbamo(m): 5:25pm On Jul 16, 2014
phantom: look, jp, some people are dense.it takes a while before they assimilate things.it can be a frustrating experience making them learn new things.
she looks to me like one of those.I will try,take my time and teach her.
evolution filters out many of such people BUT a few still manage through slip through. fact of life!
so I basically see it as a mistake of nature.easier for me to deal with them without getting pissed.
I am a doctor and I think you've gone below the belt!
Let's not descend to the level of johesu guys and insult people.
Her problem is she can't assimilate points at the level we are put through daily so come down to her level but Pls don't insult her it's not hee fault. And it would make us seem proud!

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Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by GentleMimi: 5:31pm On Jul 16, 2014
jpphilips:

I hope that starting your comment with my name is not an invitation, the last time I checked, I opened the thread so feel free to come into the ring, If after going through my posts and you still think I am a doctor then I must have over stated your IQ, I must warn you, with this IQ of a tadpole, what Phantom served you will be child's play to what I will dish out for you.
At your age and education (night studies by the way) you cannot even construct an argument let alone throw effective punches, yet you want to argue with JP Philips, you are not even scared!!
Loool! What the hell is ''jpphilips''? The name of a sanitary pad or detergent? The IQ of a tadpole beats that of a human with an IQ of a negative integer.
Dude,u opened a thread to state ur opinion. We came in to counter it. All of a sudden ,u are foaming in the mouth. Yet u claim to be a neutral patient. Lol!
Scared of what? I guess that is what u guys want. For peeps to shiver in ur presence and bow to ur thin azz. Nope,dear. Not this time.
Night education sure pass na. Are u a learner?.
You seem to take this all soo personal,no? To the extent u want to be feared. Mucheche!.
Once again,what is jpphilips? A noun,verb or an adverb?

@ phantom,u cannot give what u lack. You aint capable of teaching what u have no knowldge about.

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Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by phantom(m): 5:34pm On Jul 16, 2014
Tbamo:
I am a doctor and I think you've gone below the belt!
Let's not descend to the level of johesu guys and insult people.
Her problem is she can't assimilate points at the level we are put through daily so come down to her level but Pls don't insult her it's not hee fault. And it would make us seem proud!
you are right. I take it back.thanks for the correction.grin grin

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Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by jpphilips(m): 5:34pm On Jul 16, 2014
GentleMimi:
What makes you think i aint calm? Talking of alternate moniker,why are peeps trying to decieve themselves,thinking they can decieve others? Ehn?
Patient indeed. Lol!
You sure do. Most of us saw through you from the start. Mr. Patient. grin

If you are truly a medical practitioner like you claimed, you should be able to ask some pertinent questions even if the individual decides to Google it or ask someone, the twists and his manner of presentation can easily give him away, it is obnoxious that in your experience such tactical questions elude you, reason you insist I am a doctor.

lemme give you a realistic example, a well trained police officer by mere examining your hands will know whether or not you have handled a riffle, there are cases where we see them arrest some people without guns and we term them "innocent", most times they are not really innocent but the answer lies in that training the police have that you don't, they will never tell you how they know, of course an innocent civilian who handles guns? can you make the connection?
That is what training keeps on the table.

if you claim to be an engineer in my field, I will ask you just two questions with finesse, no matter who you ask, however you Google, your presentation "MUST" give you away if you are not one of us, I don't need to second guess anybody who claim to do what I do, cos I do it so damn well, but hey!!, what do I know? low IQ's never ask the right questions, its a shame!!
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by GentleMimi: 5:45pm On Jul 16, 2014
jpphilips:

If you are truly a medical practitioner like you claimed, you should be able to ask some pertinent questions even if the individual decides to Google it or ask someone, the twists and his manner of presentation can easily give him away, it is obnoxious that in your experience such tactical questions elude you, reason you insist I am a doctor.

lemme give you a realistic example, a well trained police officer by mere examining your hands will know whether or not you have handled a riffle, there are cases where we see them arrest some people without guns and we term them "innocent", most times they are not really innocent but the answer lies in that training the police have that you don't, they will never tell you how they know, of course an innocent civilian who handles guns? can you make the connection?
That is what training keeps on the table.

if you claim to be an engineer in my field, I will ask you just two questions with finesse, no matter who you ask, however you Google, your presentation "MUST" give you away if you are not one of us, I don't need to second guess anybody who claim to do what I do, cos I do it so damn well, but hey!!, what do I know? low IQ's never ask the right questions, its a shame!!
Bullcrap. You sure know a lot about low IQs,cos u've exhibited it to the point of seeking so hard for fear and respect. Tah! Make i begin fear you,because u type in blue fonts. Mucheche!.
Abt four people or more also doubted your ''patient'' status. That shows u're not too smart abt hiding it. Yet u talk of ''intelligence''. Uhuuun..
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by jpphilips(m): 6:09pm On Jul 16, 2014
GentleMimi:
Bullcrap. You sure know a lot about low IQs,cos u've exhibited it to the point of seeking so hard for fear and respect. Tah! Make i begin fear you,because u type in blue fonts. Mucheche!.
Abt four people or more also doubted your ''patient'' status. That shows u're not too smart abt hiding it. Yet u talk of ''intelligence''. Uhuuun..

I must consider Tbamo's advise at this point for the sake of this thread, if I further this discussion, you will likely drag me to your vile level and beat me with your years of practice but before I leave you to continue your romance with the jungle, I must say that If you call yourself a medical practitioner who wish to become a consultant yet, you fail to identify an impostor in your profession, forgive me to say that you don't have the mental capacity to handle patients let alone identify a fake doctor who manged to sneak past security in your clinic.

I am extremely excited that the whole world have seen the quality and depth of urchins who want to head our hospitals, nematodes who want to be addressed as consultants with the hope of stealing from the public via fat wages.
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by phantom(m): 6:11pm On Jul 16, 2014
jpphilips:

I must consider Tbamo's advise at this point for the sake of this thread, if I further this discussion, you will likely drag me to your vile level and beat me with your years of practice but before I leave you to continue your romance with the jungle, I must say that If you call yourself a medical practitioner who wish to become a consultant but you fail to identify an impostor in your profession, forgive me to say that you don't have the mental capacity to handle patients let alone identify a fake doctor who manged to sneak past security in your clinic.

I am extremely excited that the whole world have seen the quality and depth of urchins who want to head our hospitals, nematodes who want to be addressed as consultants with the hope of stealing from the public via fat wages.
Haaaaaaaaaa!!!!! JP!!! shocked shocked shocked grin
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by Samgreguc(m): 6:41pm On Jul 16, 2014
dakotchic:

Ignorance exposed again! Who told you an ear swab is done for otitis media with effusion? Or that it is treated with antibiotics? I reiterate, if we all understood the meaning of these terms we are fighting for then there won't be any fight ab initio by either party
and the meaning is . . . . . . . ?
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Okey, , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , it means, "for only Physicians."
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by Samgreguc(m): 7:15pm On Jul 16, 2014
Tbamo:
I am a doctor and I think you've gone below the belt!
Let's not descend to the level of johesu guys and insult people.
Her problem is she can't assimilate points at the level we are put through daily so come down to her level but Pls don't insult her it's not hee fault. And it would make us seem proud!
yea, u dont need to desend cos, u aint above the level of a Pharmacist.
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by GentleMimi: 7:18pm On Jul 16, 2014
@ jpphilips...ehhya! You don vex? Mr. Patient dey para? On top wetin na? Say health workers wan become ''consultants''? Lol.
This is a faceless forum on the internet. We can all claim to be anything we want. You claim to be ''Mr. Patient,i claim to be Okonjo Iweala.
I have no intentions of dragging u anywhere. It was u who asked ''you are not even scared?''...on top wetin na? Wetin u fit do? The worst is to insult my profession,but it aint stopping me from being an asset in my society.....and earning a consistent salary *winks*
Why shld i bother identifying a fake doctor when quacks abound everywhere? No time,mehn!
Be bold,come out of hiding...lol! Mr. Patient,come out of ur hole! cheesy
Your true colur is gradually showing forth. Who are u calling nematodes? What is ur definition of ''stealing''? An increase in salary is now a theft? *SMH*. You are a lost cause. Bad belle. grin

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Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by Samgreguc(m): 7:28pm On Jul 16, 2014
jpphilips:

Point of correction, I am not one of you, I just went through the demands of the NMA and realized a few that are legitimate from a patient's perspective, reason I opened the thread, that does not in anyway undermine the other demands of NMA, I just considered them inconsequential for the sake of the thread.
Haven said that, I was expecting that asking for consultancy would have been the last on the list of events, IMHO, it is putting the cart before the horse.

Now, if JOHESU members really want to advance their careers, I don't see why the title "consultant" should stop them, if it takes 33courses and 6yrs (an example) for a doctor to earn that title, I don't expect anything less from the other allied medicals else, it will be very unfair to the doctors at the same time, nature like we know will follow the path of least resistance.

Answer me honestly, have you seen the curriculum drafted by JOHESU before fighting for the "consultant" title? I was expecting that if this is about career advancement, JOHESU president or whatever they have, should be able to sit with the NMA chairman probably with the minister of health to discuss the blue print and the curriculum before talking about titles, for sake of confusion, they may be given a different title but retain the benefits.

There must be order in our health care delivery, I emphasized so much on the "owning the patient" part because I know that is where the bulk of the responsibility lies, now JOHESU has absolutely nothing in the works to assume that responsibility, is it fair to the Doctors who may likely find himself taking the fall on a case where a consultant nurse has messed up since the consultant nurse is absolved from having the final say on a patient?

See through the bricks, this is about money and position nothing more, I don't have any problems with both, all I desire is where every penny is earned, If a nurse wants to advance her learning and she goes so far where she cannot own a patient, what is the Nigerian tax payers paying her for? or don't you want us to get value for our money?

Let us look at the University for example though not quintessential to the subject of discourse, Professorship is conferred on all depts, but before you get one, there is a guideline, there is a path, once you meet those requirements, you can easily become one, that is why a professor of yoruba studies can stand shoulder to shoulder with prof. of chemical Engineering even though they set out on different career path.

Let me ask you honestly, have you seen the guidelines JOHESU wants to use to become consultants? at least we know how doctors get there, how do they wish to be there? do you want a situation where a radiographer goes to India to learn how to switch off an X ray machine and comes back to claim consultant and we start paying? it doesn't make sense, it will be anarchy in the end, most medical students in sophomore classes knowing there is a way out, will pull out and switch to allied medical courses, give Nigeria just 10yrs and we wont have a single doctor again, It has happened before and we don't want it to repeat again, we have learnt from our Saudi experience.

If JOHESU wish to become consultants by all means they should give Nigerians a workable guideline that will enable them to have the same capacity as the Doctors in terms of patient's care, anything short of that is wasting tax payers money.
are u this like this?
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Are they Physicians?
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Maybe the Physician wil also produce the drugs?
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Whether we like it or not Physicians can't do all what others can do and vice versa so, what's the basis for that phrase(same capacity)?
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Please, be truthful okey?
Re: Nma Strike: The Patients's Perspective by jpphilips(m): 7:46pm On Jul 16, 2014
Samgreguc:
are u this like this?
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Are they Physicians?
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Maybe the Physician wil also produce the drugs?
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Whether we like it or not Physicians can't do all what others can do and vice versa so, what's the basis for that phrase(same capacity)?
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Please, be truthful okey?

If they are not physicians, why are they aspiring to eat the physicians pie?
If they are not physicians, why will they want the physicians title?
If they can only dispense drugs, by all means stick to your B.pharm and D.pharm respectively and trust me, NMA wont complain.
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Do you want Nigerian tax payers to pay you a consultant's fee just for dispensing drugs? haba! what else is theft?

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