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Re: African Kings by Rossikki: 2:04pm On Jul 24, 2014 |
macof:Show you what evidence from Lower Egypt? The testimony of the ancients doesn't distinguish between the two regions in terms of the peopling of Egypt. In fact if what you say is true, it means that whites or yellows should be the first people encountered by the Greeks entering Egypt from the north ie 'Lower' Egypt. Instead, they wrote that all they saw was black people. Apollodorus called it "The land of the black-footed ones". He wrote: "Aegyptos conquered the country of the black-footed ones and named it Egypt after himself". Apollodorus, the eminent Greek scholar from Athens, lived over 2,350 years ago and was a direct witness! 1 Like |
Re: African Kings by forYuhEarsOnly(m): 2:07pm On Jul 24, 2014 |
Africa is where empire building began and I am a proud African seeing this great men of the past. Long live Mama Africa. 3 Likes |
Re: African Kings by kingston277(m): 3:52pm On Jul 24, 2014 |
TerryCarr:The oldest bones found resembling Khoisan are located in that general latitude. |
Re: African Kings by TerryCarr(m): 5:39am On Jul 25, 2014 |
kingston277:the hadza are similar to the Khoisan, complete with click language http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadza_people https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3SbzQ6F7fQ |
Re: African Kings by kingston277(m): 10:01pm On Jul 25, 2014 |
TerryCarr:I think they might be mixed. There is evidence they are at least part Khoisan. [img]http://2.bp..com/-FPXd4nNFcTg/UGOJp-OXwdI/AAAAAAAAEPM/pUJdVCj1grw/s1600/7525290428_3d3c53a38e_b.jpg[/img] |
Re: African Kings by TerryCarr(m): 2:00pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
kingston277:to a degree but they are from Tanzania so they are gonna be dark. |
Re: African Kings by kingston277(m): 4:46pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
TerryCarr:Sure, because of the influx of cushite and bantu migrants. |
Re: African Kings by TerryCarr(m): 7:54pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
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Re: African Kings by kingston277(m): 10:58pm On Jul 26, 2014 |
TerryCarr:Your point? That map says most of Africa is the same skin shade; a result of southward migration over the indigenous groups. |
Re: African Kings by TerryCarr(m): 3:07am On Jul 27, 2014 |
kingston277:oh please most Africans that are not north or Khoisan are dark. like pygmies [img]http://datingafrica.files./2010/08/pygmy3.jpg[/img] |
Re: African Kings by kingston277(m): 4:44pm On Jul 27, 2014 |
TerryCarr:That's pretty much what I said. The Hadza are a result of admixture. |
Re: African Kings by TerryCarr(m): 3:15am On Jul 28, 2014 |
kingston277:the admixture is small. for the most part they are their own thing |
Re: African Kings by kingston277(m): 2:48pm On Jul 28, 2014 |
TerryCarr:Clearly, they are not the same khoisan that inhabited the area thousands of years ago. The skulls don't match. |
Re: African Kings by blackprowler: 3:35am On Jul 31, 2014 |
What I always say is that intelligence and intellectual discipline and honesty are different from mere knowledge. The fact that you read some stuff and are knowledgeable in the thing you read don't make you correct in your arguments. It is amazing how people lose their common sense because of some information they've gathered. I will not join stupid debates about Africa and the black man. Open your eyes and look around and you will see for yourself |
Re: African Kings by benELOHIM7(m): 3:26pm On Aug 21, 2014 |
...we instigated civilization, even Jesus had a negro blood flowing in him. dont knw wah happened my guy mcfynest: |
Re: African Kings by Zarahanair: 4:58pm On Aug 25, 2014 |
Rossikki: Show you what evidence from Lower Egypt? The testimony of the ancients doesn't distinguish between the two regions in terms of the peopling of Egypt. In fact if what you say is true, it means that whites or yellows should be the first people encountered by the Greeks entering Egypt from the north ie 'Lower' Egypt. Instead, they wrote that all they saw was black people. Apollodorus called it "The land of the black-footed ones". He wrote: "Aegyptos conquered the country of the black-footed ones and named it Egypt after himself". Apollodorus, the eminent Greek scholar from Athens, lived over 2,350 years ago and was a direct witness!=============================================================================== Lower Egypt has had a diverse mix of people from ancient time- from the Middle East, Mediterranean and further south from Nubia and West from the Sahara. In the later period of Egyptian history, Asiatic and Mediterranean influences were more prominent. Early skeletal analysis of Lower Egypt clusters samples closer to Africans from the south than Middle Easterners or Europeans credible scholarship shows, as detailed below. The primary driver/genesis of Egyptian dynastic civilization is from the south, Upper Egypt not Lower Egypt, though the two are closely related. 1 Like |
Re: African Kings by Zarahanair: 5:08pm On Aug 25, 2014 |
Since africans are from the hamites, and africa was a strong contiment..what happened THE QUESTION I ASK IS THIS....WHAT HAPPENED TO AFRICA!!! WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BRAVERY AND SUPERIORITY OF OUR FOREFATHERS...... Africans are not from any "Hamites." This is outmoded, obsolete Eurocentric thinking. And nothing happened to Africa. It progressed just as other areas of the world with a similar geographic and environmental package. And Bravery of forefathers did not disappear. It is still there- despite being suppressed by corruption and dictatorism. [img]http://1.bp..com/-mAyOvezZn0k/U_qsy5GIYpI/AAAAAAAABMo/KXGPUt5xHek/s1600/kush_sub_saharan_entity.jpg[/img] It is a fact that Africa with its north-south axis has several geographic disadvantages RELATIVE to the east-west axis of other places. Even the mighty Nile is unnavigable for a huge part of its length and drains millions of acres of unproductive lands, much of it desert. Here is an example from a scholar of some geographic barriers in Africa: http://2.bp..com/-k3NvqnGPgmc/U_q7fNS10xI/AAAAAAAABM4/-rs-Mq12yHc/s1600/thomassowellreadergeogr.png Despite this many African cultures built substantial civilizations. Geographic barriers do not block civilization- they hinder EXPANSION into more elaborate and large scale development. There are kingdoms in Africa that jumped the hurdles and went large scale- Egypt, Mali under Mansa Musa etc. Egypt developed in part not only because of the wider Mediterranean but because it imported its foundational culture, food basis and technology from Northeast Africa. Egypt DID have the Nile to work with, an immense blessing, despite some of its limits in navigation and consistent productivity of all its lands to the south. Other prominent African kingdoms had access to wider networks of exchange and knowledge. Mansa Musa's empire was indigenous, but be benefited from wider access to Islamic networks stretching int the Mediteranean. We would not know of Mansa Musa's astounding wealth unless the Islamic world reported (and benefited from it). Wider access saw larger scale with more advanced tech and skills. So Africa DID develop, and while it always had localized developments, BROADER MORE ELABORATE DEVELOPMENT did EXPAND in part from access to wider networks of advanced trade and knowledge- just like every other human culture. 1 Like |
Re: African Kings by mcfynest(m): 6:09pm On Aug 25, 2014 |
benELOHIM7: ...we instigated civilization, even Jesus had a negro blood flowing in him. dont knw wah happened my guy God has a plan for everything, a time is coming and the time is near, when the blacks would rule again, only the saints would survive to see that day, even among the blacks, many of us may not make it. Who are we to question God the all knowing |
Re: African Kings by macof(m): 12:21pm On Aug 26, 2014 |
mcfynest:O shut up you wacko. God has nothing to do with this. People should pick themselves up and work instead of screaming God The caucasians who built the successful America system of today despite the despicable treatment of Amerindians and Negros, did so without thinking of God. |
Re: African Kings by Nobody: 3:30pm On Aug 26, 2014 |
There is no proof of any large scale Eurasian/Asiatic population settling in Lower Egypt during the dynastic period. If anything Lower Egypt was sparsely, heck so was the Levant and Arabian peninsula. Most Middle Eastern tribes in Arabia were nomadic... The idea of Lower Egypt being mixed and Upper Egypt being black is apart of the outdated dynastic race theory which no one in academia takes serious anymore. The only connection Lower Egypt had with Asiatics was trade. Nothing else. |
Re: African Kings by Zarahanair: 4:58am On Aug 27, 2014 |
KidStranglehold: There is no proof of any large scale Eurasian/Asiatic population settling in Lower Egypt during the dynastic period. If anything Lower Egypt was sparsely, heck so was the Levant and Arabian peninsula. Most Middle Eastern tribes in Arabia were nomadic... Indeed. Even as far as the north, the foundational population in the predynastic/early dynastic clusters with Africans not Europeans or "Middle Easterners" per credible mainstream scholars. Note the data below- northerners/lower Egyptians group with Africans. This of course would change as the millennia progressed. By the New Kingdom, Asiatics, Hyskos, Assyrians, Palestinian types war captives, etc etc were more in the picture. So yes of course, everyone knows Egypt did not stay static with no movement from elsewhere for 4000 years. The northern region being near the Mediterranean would see some movement from Greeks when they arrived, and also Arabs, Persians etc coming via the Sinai corridor- but these were much later in Egyptian history. Dynastic history shows no mass influx from the "Middle East." 1 Like |
Re: African Kings by Nobody: 5:06am On Aug 27, 2014 |
Zarahanair: Exellent post! Basically summed up everything I was about to say. One should note that Ancient Egypt was a Saharan/Nile Valley power before it was a Mediterranean one. And may I ask? Are you Zaharan from Egyptsearch? |
Re: African Kings by Zarahanair: 5:19am On Aug 27, 2014 |
Originally posted by Rossikki: : "The Aithiopians [Ethiopians] say that the Egyptians are settlers from among themselves and that Osiris was the leader of the settlement.The customs of the Egyptians, they say, are for the most part Aithiopian, the settlers having preserved their old traditions. For to consider the kings gods, to pay great attention to funeral rites, and many other things, are Aithiopian practices, and also the style of their statues and the form of their writing are Aithiopian. Also the way the priestly colleges are organized is said to be the same in both nations. For all who have to do with the cult of the gods, they maintain, are [ritually] pure: the priests are shaved in the same way, they have the same robes and the type of scepter shaped like a plough, which also the kings have, who use tall pointed felt hats ending in a knob, with the snakes that they call the asp (aspis) coiled round them." Keep in mind that today's Ethiopia is below the line of the Sahara and is thus "Sub-Saharan." You also must consider that what is today called "Sub-Saharan" has been heavily affected by the southward move of the Saharan desert. African cultures far to the north today, were once "Sub-Saharan". The Kingdom of Kush in the Sudan is a "sub-Saharan" entity, with settlements and administration south of today's Saharan line. Note scholars below and how they reference the southward shift of the desert. Kush had supra-Saharan (above Sahara) regions but was also a "sub-Saharan" entity. Be sure to check up to date sources besides Herodotus, Volney and such. http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/15/basic-database-nile-valley-studies 1 Like |
Re: African Kings by TerryCarr(m): 5:10pm On Aug 29, 2014 |
you're not Egyptian or Nubian |
Re: African Kings by Zarahanair: 6:20pm On Aug 29, 2014 |
KidStranglehold: The same! **wink** Hard data from "the base" . Keep up the good work! http://egyptsearchreloaded.proboards.com/thread/15/basic-database-nile-valley-studies 1 Like |
Re: African Kings by Nobody: 3:01pm On Aug 30, 2014 |
Zarahanair: I am a fan of yours, Djehuti, Beyoku,alTakruri , Jari and Sundaita work. Can you please inform them of my work here and my work on a site called the Coli? http://www.thecoli.com/threads/ancient-egyptians-linked-more-with-other-africans.201896/ http://www.thecoli.com/threads/sahel-west-african-civilization-thread.228936/ Those two threads are just SOME of my work. I like spreading the knowledge around the net. I've been trying to ES but to no avail. Registration seems to be closed. Why? |
Re: African Kings by TerryCarr(m): 5:35pm On Aug 30, 2014 |
Re: African Kings by Nobody: 8:25pm On Aug 30, 2014 |
No. |
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