Abagworo: . You are the one being naïve here. Igbo culture and tradition of origin is as clear as day and varies from clan to clan without any interference until whitemen came with bible and deceived our fathers into abandoning our traditional beliefs for Christianity. I'm deeply rooted traditionally and whatever I tell you here or elsewhere is the truth. Igbos believe God created them right here in Igboland. "Nri" is rooted in Igala and every true Igbo man knows that.

OdenigboAroli:
All of a sudden we are from Igala just because you want to stain our status as the custodians of the. Igbo culture and traditions. Look,this is bigger than you,I swear!

passion007:

passion007:

OdenigboAroli:

For you to believe that concoction tells me how ignorant and naive you are about Igbo history. Firstly, you have no knowledge of Igala,Umunri nor Aguleri history and traditions. Nnigga, you are a neophyte...gbalu ogwu yi nuo. This is a waste of my time,anyway.

PenSniper: Attempt to link Igbos with Jewish ancestry is nothing but a product of inferiority cimplex. What a pathetic race !!! Even after the Jews have investigated and denied the link some still shamelessly tag on to it. Whatever is their motive ?

backtosender: oga is better you allow igbos to be mind your tribes they have history of their own,you sound like a frustrated person ..

Abagworo: "According to the tradition of the Nri themselves, a man of Igala stock from Idah called Eri, son of Achado, a native doctor and hunter, came down the Omambala River in search of the River at a place later called Aguleri (Aguleri Igbo), and begat a number of children, to whom he passed on the secrets of his arts. His eldest son, who succeeded to the paraphernalia of his trade, was called Nriifikwuanim. This first son moved farther into Igbo land and settled among the Ugbene people, who showed him a portion of their farmland called “Agu Ukwu” to live and farm upon.

Nriifikwuanim prospered and became known not only for his powers to cure diseases, but also for his readiness to assume the risk of cleansing people of abominations. He was able to do this because abominations were sins against the Earth goddess – Aja Ana, and being a non-Igbo person he was not subject to the power of any Aja Ana in Igboland. What was “Alu” ―abomination‖ to the Igbo was not Alu to him, and what was “Nso” (forbidden conduct) did not concern him. He came from a different clime. He could, therefore, perform ceremonies to cleanse people of abominations attaching to them, and so make them acceptable to their communities once more. He took things – clothes, property – for his own use which the Igbos regarded as unclean or prohibited from the Igbo gods. He got rich thereby. From removing the stains of abomination from people, Nriifikwuanim developed the technique of sanctifying things in general, by rituals which he devised; for example, driving away evil spirits from or around people (exorcism)."

"When he became famous, he decided to move from Ugbene to the more populous areas of Igboland. He came and dwelt near Oka, on the land of another Igbo community owners of the land where he settled, by giving them a percentage of his earnings, in cash or kind; hence the saying “Ivbe Nri evbe Adama” ―What you pay to Nri Nri pays to Adama’s people‖.

Adama was the Head of Umudiana Village of Adazi, owners of the land, who gave the first land they settled upon to the Nris. Later on, the Nris expanded by buying more land for themselves. From the time they lived at Ugbene, Nriifikwuanim and his followers were referred to as “Ndu bun a Agu Ukwu” ―dwellers in Agu Ukwu land of the Ugbenes). From this reference to their locality the name “Agu Ukwu” identified Nriifikwuanim and his people, and even when they had left Ugbene town, they were still known as “Agu Ukwu” people. Also the title-name of Eze of today – Udene is but the corrupted form of the name Ugbene. So, when they came to live near Oka to work, the community of Nriifikwuanim was known as Agu Ukwu, and their place of habitation Agukwu town. In modern times, the name has been changed to Nri town, after the name of their ancestor – Nriifikwuanim. But the Ikolo drums of the Nris still call them: “Agu Ukwu Ugbene Agu Ukwu Ugbene!”"

"What Nriifikwuanim (Nri in shortened form) was able to do was most welcome to the Oka people. Previously, an offender who had committed an abomination – alu - which was a sin against Aja Ana, the Earth Goddess, and was infact a grievous offence whose tendency was to disrupt the solidarity of the society or affect the corporate existence of Oka, such as a person having carnal knowledge of the person’s father’s wife while the father was alive, or committing incest, could only be killed or sold into slavery. Such a person must, in any case, be excluded from the society which he had tried to tear asunder. There was no way of bringing him back, for no one could forgive offences against the gods.

But then there came a stranger, whom the Igbo gods could not touch, who said he could cleanse abominations by taking the risks upon himself. So, a second alternative opened up. An offender could be re-integrated with his community (after suffering whatever penalty was imposed on him by the community) by making his peace with the gods, after being cleansed of his abominable stain through a ceremony by Nriifikwuanim.


Nriifikwuanim and his descendants were, therefore, very much welcomed in Oka town. Their services were required wherever sanctification was called for. They were invited where evil spirits were to be driven out of a household, or when people must purify themselves to take a particular title (so as not to die in the midst of the ceremonies), or when a house must be cleansed because a man who had committed an abomination had died within it, or when unknown gods must be"

"Contrary to popular misconception, Nris were not Oka people, and Oka people were not Nris; for whereas Nris were of Igala stock, Okas were original Igbo. There was no blood connection between them. But the two groups of people co-operated with one another, and worked harmoniously together. Both traveled extensively throughout Igboland. And while the Nris looked after the spiritual needs of the people they served, the Okas looked after their economic well-being. That could be the meaning of the Ogene song, which went like this:- “:Etuvbe, etuvbe, gbavba-a-gbavba Oka na Nri bu ovbu, ebe-ne-be!”
(If you look deep into history, You will find that Oka and Nri are one). The two sets of people certainly complemented each other."

Because of the Nris ability to sanctify things, by removing the religious pollutions attached to them; and their ability to propitiate the gods, known and unknown, they were credited with the unique power of communicating with the gods. Therefore, wherever an Nri man was present in Igboland, he broke the kolanut, whether his elders were present or not. He did this, however, if no Oka man was present. If an Oka man was present, it was the Oka man that broke the kolanut, provided he was older than the Nri man. There was an ancient saying: Nri anara awakpo Oka oji” (No Nri man takes precedence over an Oka man in breaking the kolanut). The reason for the rule was that Oka people asserted that since it was they who manufactured the “Otonshi” – the metal staff or wand – with which the Nri performed their magical rites, it was not proper that the Nris should claim precedence over the creators of their source of power. The Nri themselves called their tool “Otonshi Nri ji eli Igbo”, meaning magic to Oka culture, and the cleansing of abominations – “nkpu alu”."

SOURCE: The Awka People by Amanke Okafor, page 53-55

OdenigboAroli:

Inferiority complex is a disease. And will not even dignify your madness by engaging you. Cultureless nonentity!

ImperialYoruba:

Abagworo, how u dey my brother?
Teach these Anambra wawa Ibos who Oka was. All Anambra and Abia and their wawa blood line must exodus to the bantu forest quick quick so we know how many of us originals are left in Nigeria.

On a different note, OdenigboAroli, I will not stop my anti-Ibo crusade until Im compensanted with two virgin Ibo maidens for wedlock. I must remind you that these virgins must be of Imo stock, not Anambara as all Ibo from Anambara are the "wawa" stock, and the good Lord knows I do not desire anything but in a authentic and pure state of nature.

kmariko: @ OP eri1stson last thesis I presume is based on three premises

1. That since the history of migration of humans over the years allover the world is still"shrouded" in secrecy one cannot dispute the fact that the Igbos are not Jews.... citing the migration of the "aboriginals in Australia as an example "The issue of ancient human migration is as mysterious as human race,the inhabitants of dense forests of Australia, New Guinea and New Zealand are black Africans like me and you."

Science has shown that the DNA of the aboriginals are closely related to the DNA of Africans compared to any other group. Secondly, the route of the migration seems well defined as the remaants of the DNA is found in southern Indai, cambodia, thailand, Papa New Guniea , Philipines and so on... What is currently debateable is the means and not whether they got there or not

2. The other assumption was that since the Jews may have originated from the valleys of the Nile and Ethiopia... they may have first migrated to "Egypt before heading down to present day Nigeria where they settled.
If thats the case, shouldn' t we be looking for association with Ethiopians rather than the current white , Eastern Europe migrants to the current state of Isreal, or moving further why not claim Arabs as your people afterall, they are all Semites as are the Jews.. Secondly the few Igbo DNA ( individual tests) have placed the "tribe" squarely in the Benue, Congo river basin peopled by the " Bantus" . In other words it is more plausible that the Igbos may have natively evolved from their present location and set out to populate other parts of Africa, --- a very compendable achievement considering the immense size of the continent coupled with a history further than the the 3000 year history of the middle east.. Why diminish that feat. Again they might have migrated from the Congo basin or the Cameroons to their present day abode.

3. The other premise is that the Igbos should Align themselves with the Jews because they are a very powerfull group... Why limit yourself , why not align with everyone and make friends with everyone as we know power is very transient.. The power of the Jews is a myth perpertuated by the Nazis and the whites which they used to anihilate them.....If the Jews were all that powerfull why the blatant discrimination being meted to them in Eastern Europe that saw the largest airflight of the Jew ethnic group to USA and Canada in the 80s. whole villages and towns were airlifted to Seattle, Abbotsford, the Dakotas etc. to name a few places.... The so-called "power of the Jews" are rested on USA who are protecting them from the rest of the White populace that have a history of killing and discriminating against them. Assuming that the USA is usurped by China what happens then.


4. Lastly I disagree with Odenigbo in ascribing "Igboness" whatever that means. The Igbos should be fighting to include the Igalas, the Idomas etc and the other groups within the Congo Benue river basin whom they have a closer cultural association with rather than looking towards the Middle east with a mere history of 3000 years compared to the over 70,000 years they have here....

5. Sorry to say but "intellectual" Igbo Historians are nothing but a complete wash.

thanks and be well

kmariko: @ OP eri1stson last thesis I presume is based on three premises

1. That since the history of migration of humans over the years allover the world is still"shrouded" in secrecy one cannot dispute the fact that the Igbos are not Jews.... citing the migration of the "aboriginals in Australia as an example "The issue of ancient human migration is as mysterious as human race,the inhabitants of dense forests of Australia, New Guinea and New Zealand are black Africans like me and you."

Science has shown that the DNA of the aboriginals are closely related to the DNA of Africans compared to any other group. Secondly, the route of the migration seems well defined as the remaants of the DNA is found in southern Indai, cambodia, thailand, Papa New Guniea , Philipines and so on... What is currently debateable is the means and not whether they got there or not

2. The other assumption was that since the Jews may have originated from the valleys of the Nile and Ethiopia... they may have first migrated to "Egypt before heading down to present day Nigeria where they settled.
If thats the case, shouldn' t we be looking for association with Ethiopians rather than the current white , Eastern Europe migrants to the current state of Isreal, or moving further why not claim Arabs as your people afterall, they are all Semites as are the Jews.. Secondly the few Igbo DNA ( individual tests) have placed the "tribe" squarely in the Benue, Congo river basin peopled by the " Bantus" . In other words it is more plausible that the Igbos may have natively evolved from their present location and set out to populate other parts of Africa, --- a very compendable achievement considering the immense size of the continent coupled with a history further than the the 3000 year history of the middle east.. Why diminish that feat. Again they might have migrated from the Congo basin or the Cameroons to their present day abode.

3. The other premise is that the Igbos should Align themselves with the Jews because they are a very powerfull group... Why limit yourself , why not align with everyone and make friends with everyone as we know power is very transient.. The power of the Jews is a myth perpertuated by the Nazis and the whites which they used to anihilate them.....If the Jews were all that powerfull why the blatant discrimination being meted to them in Eastern Europe that saw the largest airflight of the Jew ethnic group to USA and Canada in the 80s. whole villages and towns were airlifted to Seattle, Abbotsford, the Dakotas etc. to name a few places.... The so-called "power of the Jews" are rested on USA who are protecting them from the rest of the White populace that have a history of killing and discriminating against them. Assuming that the USA is usurped by China what happens then.


4. Lastly I disagree with Odenigbo in ascribing "Igboness" whatever that means. The Igbos should be fighting to include the Igalas, the Idomas etc and the other groups within the Congo Benue river basin whom they have a closer cultural association with rather than looking towards the Middle east with a mere history of 3000 years compared to the over 70,000 years they have here....

5. Sorry to say but "intellectual" Igbo Historians are nothing but a complete wash.

thanks and be well

maestroferddi: Is it not pathetically ridiculous that you were trying to reduce what is otherwise an ongoing serious scholarly research to rather puerile permutations? Where, if I may ask, do you derive the power for this unsolicited pseudo-arbitration? I would rather you kept your puny prognosis to yourself. Nobody send you...

kmariko:

It will highly be scholarly if we all stick to the issues and succinctly present our thesis or augments ....that way I a dummy can also learn from others.

Thanks and be well

maestroferddi: What is there to contemplate when you elected to unwittingly, as it were, pooh-pooh intellectual effort on the subject in question.

Habakus: @Abagworo,I find your own account particularly ridiculed with inconsistencies and obvious half-truths....so many things your account does not address,which I'll like you to explain since you claim that the accounts of several notable historians are false.
(1). You said in your narrative that a particular man from Igala came to the present Igboland,where he became famous;performed various rites in Igboland. My question is: the people he met in Igboland when he came,who were they and where did they come from?
(2). How would you explain the fact that there are several similarities between the Igbo tradition and culture and that of the Jews as have been recorded even before the coming of the white men?
(3). What would you say about the presence of raw physical evidence in the present day Anambra linking the Igbos with the Jews?
(4). Do you have any other explanation as to the history of Eri,the son of the Jewish Gad- his migration trends and the rest of them?
I would like you to provide answers to the above questions for the benefit of everybody on this thread.
Meanwhile,I want to say that there's no shame whatsoever in saying that Igbos migrated from Egypt or Israel as the case may be. It doesn't in anyway signify inferioty to the Jews. Almost every ethnic group or tribe migrated from one place or the other;be it Hausa, Yoruba or Bini.

kmariko: @Habakus

1. Who introduced the Igbo's to the existence of the land called Egypt and Israel. Is it not the white man....By extension it is also the white the imbided in the Igbo's the supposedly "exclusive cultural similarities" between the Jews..a religious group and Igbos.

2. This artifact in existence in Anambra state..where exactly in Anambra state... How old is it..

3..And don't necessarily buy the idea that we all are from somewhere as ,evidenced from the history of the Khoisan and or the Bantus who evolved right here in good old Africa.
4. So using your analogy who did Eri or NRI meet when he/she "arrived" her. Or did they bring their spouse and kids along

kmariko: @Habakus

1. Who introduced the Igbo's to the existence of the land called Egypt and Israel. Is it not the white man....By extension it is also the white the imbided in the Igbo's the supposedly "exclusive cultural similarities" between the Jews..a religious group and Igbos.

2. This artifact in existence in Anambra state..where exactly in Anambra state... How old is it..

3..And don't necessarily buy the idea that we all are from somewhere as ,evidenced from the history of the Khoisan and or the Bantus who evolved right here in good old Africa.
4. So using your analogy who did Eri or NRI meet when he/she "arrived" her. Or did they bring their spouse and kids along