Victomolola: I think johesutes are competent than doctors, why are they not doing the work now?

There are job descriptions for each of the players in the health team.One is interdependent of the other if they must achieve in the overall.hence its absurd for any of the team member to infringe on the rights of the other. otherwise, there would be chaos as we currently have.

texazzpete:

As far as I know, you need a license from the Medical and Dental association to practice medicine. Your nurse friend is doing something illegal, and for you to condone it (and even encourage it!), you must be a morally and ethically corrupt human being.

I shudder to think of how this your love for illegality plays itself into your own line of work. It's people like you that steal money from offering boxes in churches and embezzle money from your office.

look at yourself......... Am not supporting it. Am just saying u dont need to b an mbbs to practice medicine likewise as i dont need to own a car before i can drive. Or i dont need to be an engineer to invent a machine. Lazy mbbs holders. Tanx

nouveaux: why don't you walk into a bookshop and get some books on manners, courtesy and grammar? It would do you good. Not in mood for exchange of insults, if I start, nl would collapse. Alainilari oponu omokere

Hahaha.if ur pained u don't have to take it out on me naw. why don't u point out my mistakes.why ll nairaland collapse because of a nobody. Una mentally troubled folks fit amaze person oo.Ur surname na dodoyo

pendusky: I swear by Apollo, the healer, Asclepius, Hygieia, and Panacea, and I
take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to
my ability and my judgment, the following Oath and agreement:
To consider dear to me, as my parents, him who taught me this art ;
to live in common with him and, if necessary, to share my goods
with him; To look upon his children as my own brothers, to teach
them this art; and that by my teaching, I will impart a knowledge of
this art to my own sons, and to my teacher's sons, and to disciples
bound by an indenture and oath according to the medical laws, and
no others.
I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to
my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.
I will give no deadly medicine to any one if asked, nor suggest any
such counsel; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to
cause an abortion .
But I will preserve the purity of my life and my arts.
I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is
manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners,
specialists in this art .
In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my
patients, keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all
seduction and especially from the pleasures of love with women or
men, be they free or slaves.
All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession
or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread
abroad, I will keep secret and will never reveal.
If I keep this oath faithfully, may I enjoy my life and practice my art,
respected by all humanity and in all times; but if I swerve from it or
violate it, may the reverse be my life.

HIPPOCRATIC OAT TAKEN BY PHYSICIANS!

Currently, it's called Declaration of Geneva

At the time of being admitted as a member of the medical profession:

I solemnly pledge to consecrate my life to the service of humanity;
I will give to my teachers the respect and gratitude that is their due;
I will practice my profession with conscience and dignity;
The health of my patient will be my first consideration;
I will respect the secrets that are confided in me, even after the patient has died;
I will maintain by all the means in my power, the honour and the noble traditions of the medical profession;
My colleagues will be my sisters and brothers;
I will not permit considerations of age, disease or disability, creed, ethnic origin, gender, nationality, political affiliation, race, sexual orientation, social standing or any other factor to intervene between my duty and my patient;
I will maintain the utmost respect for human life;
I will not use my medical knowledge to violate human rights and civil liberties, even under threat;
I make these promises solemnly, freely and upon my honour.

drobadebayo:
Hahaha.if ur pained u don't have to take it out on me naw. why don't u point out my mistakes.why ll nairaland collapse because of a nobody. Una mentally troubled folks fit amaze person oo.Ur surname na dodoyo

you could still be thrown out of medical school you know? So, concentrate on making yourself better. LASU product oshi.

nouveaux: you could still be thrown out of medical school you know? So, concentrate on making yourself better. LASU product oshi.

Mr man,u are very stupid.u come join lie.lasu lo sula ni mumu oshi.
FYI I didn't finish from lasu.fool I don't even stay In lagos.
What kind of human being are you?lying like dis!!! I sure say u go dey steal join.
U called me LASU product yet u said I cd still be thrown out of medical school.
Can u get any dumb*r!

matify:

Don't mind him, we know his type.

Medicine like they say is not made and cut-out for the brilliant but for the"
called".

Most people who have jumped into reading medicine on account of shear brilliance have been disappointed when they could not scale through pre-clinical school and it is this lot who went on to study allied courses like pharmacy that have gone rogue on doctors.

Pls who have u seen that failed out of medicine and went ahead to study pharmacy? I believe in stating d facts n nt just writing to win an argument.
Back to d topic, it is a known fact that doctors(MDCAN) first took JOHESU to court restraining all parties from going on strike only for NMA to embark on one.
Is it not a fact that NMA is not a trade union and dat it's illegal for them to embark on strike?

drobadebayo:
Sir,permit me to say that u hv impaired reasoning.how could u think like that

Hahahaha. That sounds like euphemism for mental retardation! Hahahaha. There is God o.

All these Doctors shouting about them being the best thing in the hospital should come off their high horse, no one health professional medical or not can work without the the other professionals. Just because they call you a medical Doctor does not mean you can do everyone's job, it is not like on their own they will perform a surgery successfully, neither will anyone work into a hospital that has only a doctor with no auxiliaries.

It is like the whole strike thing is hinged on ego and a need to reiterate their superiority as a Doctors. And it is folly for anyone to argue that one has to be a medical person to be an admistrator in the hospital, crap. If ministers from another field can be appointed as head to lead an unrelated ministry even without prior knowledge or related professional training of the ministry. Administration is administration, it is not medicine or medical science, anyone can attain it, as long as you are already conversant with the runnings of the place and have one or two management qualifications.

jpphilips:

How is the NMA strike affecting JOHESU who by virtue of politics have attained the highest medical toga "consultant"?
Are they indirectly telling us that the new consultants paid from tax payers money are useless because the absence of the old consultants have collapsed the health sector?
#just thinking aloud#

The obvious fact my friend is that nothing is happening in the hospitals. Nigerian public as 'gullible' as some people might have misconstrued them to be, know who to see for their health problems and are not really interested in unnecessary bickering going on in the sector though unfortunately, they are made to cough out more to access the facilities in private set-ups. I believe our comrade 'consultants' sorely miss the presence of the 'greedy' doctors, not to talk of helpless situations occasionally encountered when some unfortunate patients present to the 'consultants' on ground only to be told 'doctors are on strike'. Of course, such patients would be bewildered and disappointed given so much noise that has been made of the competence and capability of those who are touted to be 'working' at such facilities as we speak. Perhaps, this informs the antsy court-courting of JOE-HATES-U to 'force' doctors back to save their exposed rear. I bet you, when doctors resume, the greater part of the first set of months would be to salvage what can be salvaged of mismanaged cases arising from pharmacy consulting rooms dotting our cities and when unfortunately and inevitably you lose some, these same 'sharp-corners docs' would be the first to make noise to high heavens of how incompetent medical docs are! Head or tail, the patients lose regrettably.
I laugh when you see our 'registered union' comrades in health jostling to collect phone numbers of doctors so they can 'contact' them for 'personal consultation' and referral when the need arises. All these is insane I tell you.

nouveaux: why don't you walk into a bookshop and get some books on manners, courtesy and grammar? It would do you good. Not in mood for exchange of insults, if I start, nl would collapse. Alainilari oponu omokere

Guy!!! I've missed you on this platform!

Oduduwaboy: Wetin concern JOHESU inside NMA matter ? They should go and attend to the patients now . Infact , the practice of medicine should be outlawed in Nigeria so that JOHESU members can have the patients to themselves ...with time too if they like they can gradually assume the title 'Dr' & Consultant which they so much covet ! Jobless doctor wannabes !

Don't mind them. They should take over from us and conduct ward rounds, see patients, perform surgeries, etc.
Israeli doctors were on strike for 5 months before their meets were met. Rubbish.

adeoladrg:

Guy!!! I've missed you on this platform!

abi na. Had issues with login and also, my books. Hope you are good? I really appreciate your effort, don't relent o. I just wonder why other rxist won't speak up. Guess too much money and books is disturbing dem.

idu1: Is like u are one of those lazy doctors? What is the big deal in surgery? I know an female auxiliary nurse trained by a surgeon to perform surgeries. Is a matter of learning and dedication. U better wakeup from ur slumber.

Amazing!! Is that your reference for standard practise?

drobadebayo:
Mr man,u are very stupid.u come join lie.lasu lo sula ni mumu oshi.
FYI I didn't finish from lasu.fool I don't even stay In lagos.
What kind of human being are you?lying like dis!!! I sure say u go dey steal join.
U called me LASU product yet u said I cd still be thrown out of medical school.
Can u get any dumb*r!

for once, show through your write up that you are learned and civil. Its a slap on your profession, jokes and beef apart.

Our Medical People demands fair pay. May God help our govt.

idu1: look at yourself......... Am not supporting it. Am just saying u dont need to b an mbbs to practice medicine likewise as i dont need to own a car before i can drive. Or i dont need to be an engineer to invent a machine. Lazy mbbs holders. Tanx

You are a real clown you know .When next someone in your family needs a surgery , just take them to that guy! lol!

Tobbie9: This Johesu guys r not serious, instead of them to prove that doctors r irrelevant now and end this once and for all they're busy sueing them to make them return 2 work though i support them not being paid 4 work not done.

I agree with you on that- drs are not consulting, pharmacists are nt dispensing cos of no prescriptions from docs, nurses have no patients to tend to, labs are on sit-at-work vacation. Virtually, none of these should be paid. Being 'ready' to work is not the same as working! Therefore pay only the admin staff.

idu1: look at yourself......... Am not supporting it. Am just saying u dont need to b an mbbs to practice medicine likewise as i dont need to own a car before i can drive. Or i dont need to be an engineer to invent a machine. Lazy mbbs holders. Tanx

Dude are u dis dull or u are just acting it?

nouveaux: for once, show through your write up that you are learned and civil. Its a slap on your profession, jokes and beef apart.

Are u really this dull?
I wasn't d one that came here to lie and accuse people wrongly.
Get a life bro

texazzpete:

Please leave me out of your petty kobo-kobo squabbles. As an Engineer, I have no bone in this fight. Strike doesn't affect me one bit since I'm robustly covered by a health Insurance scheme as well as a full medical coverage from my company. More often than not, i argue on the side of the Doctors because I've seen first-hand the improved output of Medical doctors whose welfare are well take care of.

What I will not do is copy you and send my brains away on holiday. I will not deny reality. The doctors have a very strong hand to play here. JOHESU really is on a weaker foot. Going to court will not make any difference.

it will be amusing seeing JOHESU's reaction when the FG gives the NMA what they want. Will JOHESU now go on a protest strike and stay in the risk of being accused of hypocrisy for abandoning patients?

U jes tempted me to release some bile on u,but no,I will not lest I descend to your disgraceful ebb of stupidity,difference is while u enjoy d tantrums cos of d pig u r,it'll be too embarrasing for a person of ma decent standing.One word for u,learn to say nothing about something you know nothing abt next time.it will b good for you!

YourHealthlabs: In another news, Medical Dr. Paul Orhii's NAFDAC failed to remit more than 1 billion naira to federation account.

sunnewsonline.com/new/?p=72556

Did we hear such when Pharm Dora was there?

Hmmm, now tell me why they won't rather die protecting their unmerited portfolios as CMD, NAFDAC heads,Ministers, Director of Kitchen, security etc

It's all about grab..grab..grab for them.

Let astute Health Administrators head our Hospitals. Physicians should concentrate on treating patients. That what they are trained for, not fighting to lord over other health professionals who are also well lettered.

This man, when I first encountered you on other threads I must confess I enjoyed debating with you ( i remember using the words conscientious and intelligent commenting on your posts) despite our agreement to disagree, with time you began to ( deteriorate) post half truths then outright lies and I lost interest in your posts/ comments on any issue as you became emotional instead of logical.

Evidence of how far you are gone is exemplified by the above post. I see the term medical before dr and pharm instead of prof. Nice one but I see through it.

I think its time for you to consider a career in shady journalism.

idu1: Is like u are one of those lazy doctors? What is the big deal in surgery? I know an female auxiliary nurse trained by a surgeon to perform surgeries. Is a matter of learning and dedication. U better wakeup from ur slumber.

Picsoradonbelivit.

See what an individual is opening his mouth to say. Maybe suturing injuries is what you are calling surgery. Enlighten us in the procedures being performed by this auxiliary nurse.

RedBenson:

Most (if not all) doctors i know have one connection or the other in private hospitals. Some of them work part time there. Now tell me how are they not benefit from this strike

In which case, nurses and pharmacists need not complain! Are you aware that nurses do open maternity/health centers? What of pharmacists who are more interested in opening medicine stores?
Lab guys opening diagnostics centers here and there?
You guys should just stop giving drs a bad name!

idu1: look at yourself......... Am not supporting it. Am just saying u dont need to b an mbbs to practice medicine likewise as i dont need to own a car before i can drive. Or i dont need to be an engineer to invent a machine. Lazy mbbs holders. Tanx

And the award for the most retarde.d post goes to....

armadeo:


Picsoradonbelivit.

See what an individual is opening his mouth to say. Maybe suturing injuries is what you are calling surgery. Enlighten us in the procedures being performed by this auxiliary nurse.

the 'doctor's have bastardized the health care sector by training auxiliaries in their clinics. Aux nurses, aux. dispencer, aux lab tech and etc most of which are schl cert holders. They see no problem with dat but have problem with trained professionals advancing and progressing in their fields. Is that reasonable? Oh yea, it it!

Na only JOHESU waka go court, wetin JONA dey do abt d issue?

candy:
In which case, nurses and pharmacists need not complain! Are you aware that nurses do open maternity/health centers? What of pharmacists who are more interested in opening medicine stores?
Lab guys opening diagnostics centers here and there?
You guys should just stop giving drs a bad name!

But are the doctors not those who want autonomous and lordship over every other health worker? Are they not the ones who claim thier duty constitutes 98% of all the jobs in health sector? Other health workers only do 2%. That is why all eyes are on them and shld say the right things once they do the wrong thing or try to open private hospitals.

nouveaux: the 'doctor's have bastardized the health care sector by training auxiliaries in their clinics. Aux nurses, aux. dispencer, aux lab tech and etc most of which are schl cert holders. They see no problem with dat but have problem with trained professionals advancing and progressing in their fields. Is that reasonable? Oh yea, it it!

Park well joor! Is it only drs, what of pharmacist's renting their certificates or lab scientists running clinics as proudly stated by an Mls on this forum. There is rot in the sector agreed but it is across board.

I still don't believe that an auxiliary nurse does surgery. As for all the other auxillaries you mentioned no hospital of repute has just auxiliaries working there. I have worked in the private sector and I know this.
Lab Mls, nurses + midwifery, pharmacist too.

Joenz: U jes tempted me to release some bile on u,but no,I will not lest I descend to your disgraceful ebb of stupidity,difference is while u enjoy d tantrums cos of d pig u r,it'll be too embarrasing for a person of ma decent standing.One word for u,learn to say nothing about something you know nothing abt next time.it will b good for you!

Why do all you intellectual gnats always try to regale your betters with threats of insults? You think your words can faze me, you half-wit?

You should be grateful to me for educating you in this thread. You have no idea how hard it is to hold a rational conversation with a grown man that spells 'my' as 'ma'

Oduduwaboy:

This quack makes me laugh . I bet he is called 'Doctor ' on his street and he enjoys the honour .
What ridiculous statistics is that you are quoting about 95% of health-workers ? Which health-workers are you talking about ? Despite your irrelevant numbers you guys Will achieve nothing ! The so-called 95% has become 50% since you people have ganged up to form the amorphous JOHESU ...
If you want to talk talk with facts like i did when i mentioned the practice in America & UK ...Stop dreaming boy !

You are the failed physician who has become disillusioned in your failed career that's why you sound like someone who read medicine to escape the poverty ravaging his familial bloodline. I'm sure you felt like 'you've opened shop' after wrigling your way out of med school.

Of course your lecturers taught you that the word 'doctor' is a synonym for allopathic physicians only.
Like i said earlier, ask GEJ and everyone else to stop using the title 'dr', it's not too late to make it your 100th demand sorry 'commandment'. Of course oduduwaboy invented the word 'doctor' in his bedroom. He'll be surely obliged.
Stone-age practitioner.

YourHealthlabs:

You are the failed physician who has become disillusioned in your failed career that's why you sound like someone who read medicine to escape the poverty ravaging his familial bloodline. I'm sure you felt like 'you've opened shop' after wrigling your way out of med school.

Of course your lecturers taught you that the word 'doctor' is a synonym for allopathic physicians only.
Like i said earlier, ask GEJ and everyone else to stop using the title 'dr', it's not too late to make it your 100th demand sorry 'commandment'. Of course oduduwaboy invented the word 'doctor' in his bedroom. He'll be surely obliged.
Stone-age practitioner.

Oh! i can see clearly now . This guy who sees himself as the embodiment of all laboratories in the 3rd world is clearly deranged ...he has no facts to hold a discourse with , he is nothing but a charlatan who holds a forever grudge against Medical Doctors who he thinks to denigrate by referring to them as Allopathic doctors...he just came across the word i believe . He needs to understand the meaning .

No matter what you say, or do ,yiou remain a Doctor( medical Doctor) wannabe ! Even if you get a Ph.d in anything, your likes still don't get the fulfilment you crave. You forever remain a failure . Cheers bro! ( With the level of hatred you have for 'Allopathic ' doctors make sure you never consult one ever again till you reach the post mortem table ).