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Unfair To Doctors by 5minsmadness: 1:32pm On Jul 19, 2014
Let me start by saying a good afternoon to you all. I'm new to this section although an ardent nairalander whose moniker was wiped off by the Nairaland rapture that occurred  some many weeks ago. I greet my elders in the house.

Secondly let me state that I know a lot of medical personel and have them as friends. This is because my business carries me around them a lot. I have doctors, nurses, med lab scientists as close associates. The only people I will say am not too close to are pharmacists, except for maybe the drug reps, no particular reason, its just the way it is.

Now then, about this current NMA strike. I think we are being unfair to out doctors.
Right from when we started taking jamb the medical profession has been seen as something of an enigma. The cut off point even I wrote jamb was 230 for UBTH. it was rivalled only by engineering(can't remember wether mech. or elect.) by 212 points. The other course were way below par. I believe this was done so we could pick the best brains out of the populace to study medicine because it is a demanding course with a wide scope. Don't ask me what I scored that year angry grin

After these select few were chosen, they were made to go through a rigourous 6yrs training program that usually extended up to 7-8yrs not by any fault of Thiers but due to various ASUU strikes and whatnot. By the time these people graduated from medical school most of us that entered with them had done our nysc and moved on with our lives as graduates.

But even before then the beefing had begun.

I remember a friend of mine who wanted to enter medicine at all costs, using pharmacy as second choice. He wrote jamb 3times and finally settled for chemistry. Till today he still envies the position of doctor even though we both run a lucrative business together.

Even then in school when we went to partys the medical students always stood aloof. Initially I thought it was because they were too full of themselves but then I found out that they just didn't have the time to relax like some of us did. I had one or two partying guys from medicine but that was it. I found out that they were really nice guys once i got to know them better.Their social life was rubbish cos they were trying so hard to learn all that was required to save a life.

But that didn't stop a lot of us from hating on them. Truth be told in retrospect I think we were just jealous or angry cos they refused to mix with us. Medical students aren't the best when it comes to socials or managing people which I also think is part of thier problem when they become medical doctors.

Down to graduation. The doctor graduates are one of the proudest I've seen! If you see the way they carry themselves eh, you'll wonder what they are feeling like. But then again why wouldn't they be proud? After finishing such a long and rigorous training and coming out of it alive and finally being able to answer the term Dr, Na beans? They are only human and they have the right to be proud of their profession just like anyone else.

I have been to hospitals in emergency situations and seen doctors covered in blood, struggling in dire situations, where there is no light to hardly see what is going on, some looking confused and not having a standard protocol of what to do...and then the consultant walks in and a certain relief comes over the entire room. That sense of authority that a specialist is there...that everything that can be done will be done to save the client.
I was told it can take up to 10yrs to become a consultant, I don't know how true this is and I stand to be corrected but I can imagine their training is rigorous. Its the reason they are paid the big bucks. Its the reason patients entrust their lives to them. Whether that makes them feel like gods is irrelevant. We should not let our desire to see people that are known for their aloofness suffer, blind us to the fact that making others hold this esteemed position will bring nothing but chaos to the health sector. Already patients are having problems deciphering who is a real doctor. When some people come for our programs and announce themselves as doctors I always get one or two people asking my boss "Is he a real doctor?"

What is JOHESUs real motive for wanting to be called consultants and being able to be made the MDs of hospitals? Is it really for the betterment of the patient? In this Nigeria that we know so well? When did they start caring for the patients so much?


Now that doctors are on strike unless there is a rule that I don't know about, now would have been the best time for the nurses and med lab scientists etc to show that they are equal to the doctors by doing the tasks of the doctors. Why are we saying patients are dying in the hospital when all the other me members of the health team are not on strike? Is it possible they rely on the doctors more than they want to admit?

I have heard some people on this forum say that the doctors are suppressing the other professionals from reaching their academic summit. How, exactly? Are they saying they don't have their own mode of academic ascent? Must they follow the doctors' own? Are they saying that all these years since Nigeria was brought into inception that no pharmacist or med lab scientists or nurse have ever risen to the highest level of their chosen field? I don't think so, though I stand once again to be corrected.

It is obvious they want the particular position of consultant for their own personal reasons and not at all in the interest of the patient.

I am against doctors strike. Doctors play a pivotal role in our healthcare system and a decent government should have been able to address their problems and brought sanity back to the health sector. Sadly, whether we have a decent government is what I would leave you the reader to judge. In saner climes the strike wouldn't have gone more than a week. But once again we are in Nigeria where no group is considered serious until they embark on a strike, whether ASUU or PENGASSAN or Polytechnics(whose strike was hardly noticed since it appeared not to be adversely affecting 'those that matter'), even the JOHESU has gone on strike numerous times.

I read somewhere that this is the NMAs last resort that they have been pleading with the government and asking for a dialogue but non was forthcoming and so they did what every other body that wishes to be heard in this country do-they went on strike.

How can you want to hold a position and yet not want to be willing to go through the requirements needed to have that position. I'm sorry but it just doesn't make sense to me.

My chemistry friend still has a thing against doctors. He says they are too proud, they are heartless, they are paid too much etc etc. And yet three days ago when his son had a fever he didn't go to the nurse who I'm sure is quite capable of treating common malaria. He didn't go to the lab or chemist. He went to see his private doctor. When I teased him and asked why he said "my brother this is life o, my child's life for that matter. Let me take him to someone that knows what he is doing." I simply stored that in my memory and said nothing else.

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Re: Unfair To Doctors by pembisco(m): 4:02pm On Jul 19, 2014
y skip dt part whr they dnt wnt mlscn to regulate import of ivds? Wat of d increase in salary dt they dnt wnt odas to enjoy? U talk of rigour in ther training, wt of d training of soldier dt is both mental nd physical nd yet faced wit boko haram at d expence of his life? Do u knw engeering, dvm, law etc at ol? Diz pple too go tru hell to pas exams bt dnt mek noise abt it. Pls thers no nid stresing hw mch u suffered in scl cos evrybdy did sufa.

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Re: Unfair To Doctors by davno: 5:06pm On Jul 19, 2014
All fingers can never be equal. D doctor has been and will forever remain d pillar of all healthcare systems.

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Re: Unfair To Doctors by magnusalbertus(m): 6:57pm On Jul 19, 2014
pembisco: y skip dt part whr they dnt wnt mlscn to regulate import of ivds? Wat of d increase in salary dt they dnt wnt odas to enjoy? U talk of rigour in ther training, wt of d training of soldier dt is both mental nd physical nd yet faced wit boko haram at d expence of his life? Do u knw engeering, dvm, law etc at ol? Diz pple too go tru hell to pas exams bt dnt mek noise abt it. Pls thers no nid stresing hw mch u suffered in scl cos evrybdy did sufa.
try make sense small na. . .

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Re: Unfair To Doctors by Oduduwaboy(m): 8:41pm On Jul 19, 2014
pembisco: y skip dt part whr they dnt wnt mlscn to regulate import of ivds? Wat of d increase in salary dt they dnt wnt odas to enjoy? U talk of rigour in ther training, wt of d training of soldier dt is both mental nd physical nd yet faced wit boko haram at d expence of his life? Do u knw engeering, dvm, law etc at ol? Diz pple too go tru hell to pas exams bt dnt mek noise abt it. Pls thers no nid stresing hw mch u suffered in scl cos evrybdy did sufa.
I think you are the OPs friend that studied chemistry . so you also suffered to pass at school hun ? lol.
I hope people don't call you 'doctor ' on your street ?

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Re: Unfair To Doctors by JhyMedex: 10:43pm On Jul 19, 2014
magnusalbertus:
try make sense small na. . .
Seriously.... wat's d dude saying?....
Re: Unfair To Doctors by 5minsmadness: 9:01am On Jul 20, 2014
pembisco: y skip dt part whr they dnt wnt mlscn to regulate import of ivds? Wat of d increase in salary dt they dnt wnt odas to enjoy? U talk of rigour in ther training, wt of d training of soldier dt is both mental nd physical nd yet faced wit boko haram at d expence of his life? Do u knw engeering, dvm, law etc at ol? Diz pple too go tru hell to pas exams bt dnt mek noise abt it. Pls thers no nid stresing hw mch u suffered in scl cos evrybdy did sufa.
Pls define your terms next time e.g what is mlscn and ivds?
Secondly who is currently in charge of regulating the ivd and have they done anything wrong to warrant a change. I'm aware importation of anything in this country is a business venture, why would soneone hand over his business to you?

I'm sure they don't have any problem with others increasing their salary as long as thiers is increased in proportionate terms as well. There is no way you do med lab or nursing and expect to be paid the same wages as doctors. They are your bosses and you work under them, simple. The work you do is to augment or assist theirs and not the other way around. There is heirachy in everything.

I don't know much about soldiers but I will speak for the engineers and lawyers since I have friends and relatives in that area.
My cousin studied mechanical engineering and my brother electrical engineering. Both were for 5years. My cousin currently works in an oil firm and I can authoritatively tell you that his entry salary was by far more than what a consultant doctor earns. My brother works for a consulting firm where he is contracted out to work for Mtn,GLO services etc. His salary is a little higher than what a house officer earns. How do I know? I specifically asked during one of the doctor strikes and was confidentiality shown certain doctors payslips. Its not as much as you guys make the general public to think.

The lawyers I know earn a good amount of money as well, if the amount we pay them for appearing daily for court cases is anything to go by.

Then again, doctors are trained to save lives. They are trained to work on human beings. One mistake can leadto a pperson's death, one contribution can save a life. Their work has to do with making decisions that alter the course of life and death EVERYDAY. Is that the kind of person you want to pay peanuts. If you were a doctor would you accept to be paid the same amount as a med lab scientist who I think did only 4yrs of training? Try and be realistic man.
Re: Unfair To Doctors by pembisco(m): 9:06am On Jul 20, 2014
magnusalbertus:
try make sense small na. . .
Guy! Say wateva bt dnt be myopic, u ar clouded in ignorance tinkin medicine is d only course dt knw buks. Only dullards wl cmplain mbbs is hard. D inteligent ones pas witot a scratch.
Re: Unfair To Doctors by pembisco(m): 9:15am On Jul 20, 2014
5minsmadness:
Pls define your terms next time e.g what is mlscn and ivds?
Secondly who is currently in charge of regulating the ivd and have they done anything wrong to warrant a change. I'm aware importation of anything in this country is a business venture, why would soneone hand over his business to you?

I'm sure they don't have any problem with others increasing their salary as long as thiers is increased in proportionate terms as well. There is no way you do med lab or nursing and expect to be paid the same wages as doctors. They are your bosses and you work under them, simple. The work you do is to augment or assist theirs and not the other way around. There is heirachy in everything.

I don't know much about soldiers but I will speak for the engineers and lawyers since I have friends and relatives in that area.
My cousin studied mechanical engineering and my brother electrical engineering. Both were for 5years. My cousin currently works in an oil firm and I can authoritatively tell you that his entry salary was by far more than what a consultant doctor earns. My brother works for a consulting firm where he is contracted out to work for Mtn,GLO services etc. His salary is a little higher than what a house officer earns. How do I know? I specifically asked during one of the doctor strikes and was confidentiality shown certain doctors payslips. Its not as much as you guys make the general public to think.

The lawyers I know earn a good amount of money as well, if the amount we pay them for appearing daily for court cases is anything to go by.

Then again, doctors are trained to save lives. They are trained to work on human beings. One mistake can leadto a pperson's death, one contribution can save a life. Their work has to do with making decisions that alter the course of life and death EVERYDAY. Is that the kind of person you want to pay peanuts. If you were a doctor would you accept to be paid the same amount as a med lab scientist who I think did only 4yrs of training? Try and be realistic man.

med lab sci is 5yrs, wt i dnt lyk abt drs is pride, i hv so many humble ones as frends.
Re: Unfair To Doctors by pembisco(m): 9:17am On Jul 20, 2014
JhyMedex: Seriously.... wat's d dude saying?....
hw wl u knw wen u ar f00l of ur slf.
Re: Unfair To Doctors by 5minsmadness: 9:34am On Jul 20, 2014
pembisco:
med lab sci is 5yrs, wt i dnt lyk abt drs is pride, i hv so many humble ones as frends.
If you have so many humble ones as friends, will I be safe in assuming that it is the minority that are proud? Is pride a crime? Is that the main reason JOHESU is antagonizing them, because of their pride?
Re: Unfair To Doctors by pembisco(m): 9:40am On Jul 20, 2014
Oduduwaboy:
I think you are the OPs friend that studied chemistry . so you also suffered to pass at school hun ? lol.
I hope people don't call you 'doctor ' on your street ?
Re: Unfair To Doctors by pembisco(m): 10:00am On Jul 20, 2014
5minsmadness:
If you have so many humble ones as friends, will I be safe in assuming that it is the minority that are proud? Is pride a crime? Is that the main reason JOHESU is antagonizing them, because of their pride?
Re: Unfair To Doctors by pembisco(m): 10:01am On Jul 20, 2014
5minsmadness:
If you have so many humble ones as friends, will I be safe in assuming that it is the minority that are proud? Is pride a crime? Is that the main reason JOHESU is antagonizing them, because of their pride?

av heard my inlaw,a consultant kal a nurse 'bloody civilian' i dnt knw wt dt mean sha. Sm ar gud, they evn go round greetin wen they resume wok, they see evry staf as contributor to patient treatment, bt d arogant ones spoilt evrytin. Av heard a medical studnt insult studnts of vetinary medicine simly because ther state gvnment (bauchi)pays vet studnts 60k mntly allowance whyl med studnts 28k. D guy ws like 'wt do vet studnts knw/do to deserv modan them' you d greed nd pride im talking abt. Mnts Later, rumor came in dt gvment hs reduced vet studnt's pay, d guy jubilated like he won a lottery. Smh

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