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Why do you think Peugeot lost their market leadership status in Nigeria? Lack of innovation and unnecessary arrogance that is displayed in their unwillingness to follow changing consumer tastes and trends.

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1979 Peugeot 505 Review 2
Posted on 2 November 2013 by richard herriott
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Archie Vicar muses on the meaning of Peugeot´s exciting new saloon, the 505.

“Drivers & Motorists Monthly” (February 1979).

Photo by Crispin Darling

The keenly contested large car sector is very profitable. 2.46 million large cars were bought in Europe in 1976. Manufacturers pick different weapons with which to capture these customers. Ford uses keen pricing and generous specifications to help the set-square Granada find its customers (300,000 a year!). Vauxhall tries to offer reassuring safe handling and predictability. Citroen insist wild-eyed technology and futuristic styling will be the way forward for the CX. Renault offer us mystery and confusion in the form of the ancient 16 or the purposeless 30. Rover suggest brash Brummie modernism with their rakish 2000 and 2600.

Into this hard-fought fray drives the new 505 from the Lion Marque. What is its unique atttraction? It´s a bit early to say.


Attacking it from another angle: the Peugeot 604, as many readers know, is a very fine saloon. We pitted it (October `77) against the Citroen CX 2400 Pallas, Ford´s Granada 2.8 V6 and the Mercedes 230E and it claimed first prize. It is is more spacious than the Granada, more pleasing to drive than the Mercedes (by a wide margin) and more agile and wieldy than the CX, and cheaper too. Hence the puzzlement I experienced when looking at the 505 in Orly airport carpark. It´s 6 inches shorter than the 604 but is much cheaper. It would appear to compete with the 604 since anyone who likes that car (and well they might) may find the 505 to be (nearly) the same but better (in some ways). That said, 505 still not as well made as the Mercedes, not as cheap as the Granada and not as daft as the CX (nothing is, to be frank). The only people who will worry about the Peugeot 505 are the fellows who try to make a living selling the Peugeot 604. Perhaps it would have been better either to fit a 2-litre motor into the 604 and forget the 505 or else make a V6 available in the 505 and pension off the 604. Nobody seems to want it, sadly.


Peugeot 604: excellent but unwanted

After a hearty lunch during the test drive, I stood under an awning and I stared at the car while enjoying a few filterless Gauloises. I looked at rain drops beading on the 505´s bronze metallic paint (an extra cost option). Pininfarina have styled the car (I wouldn´t let Peugeot near such a delicate job). It doesn´t look very Italian nor very French. Nor very German. Nor British. But it does look as if Peugeot have worked hard to make the car look cheaper than the 604. Remember that the 505´s predecessor, the 504, had an outstanding ride. I took a British-market model on a hard charging drive across the green lanes of the Chilterns. The impacts were well supressed and the car veritably floated over the undulations and potholes. I concluded that the 505 is as good as the 504 (but no better). One could say that merely by meeting the standard set by the 504, the 505 is still well-ahead of its peers. But in the increasingly competitive world of motoring, it´s hard to feel that good is good enough. And recall that Peugeot owns Citroen who make the succulently-suspended CX which has the softest and most compliant ride of all.


Peugeot 504: still good

And so we arrive (painfully) at the conclusion. Only by driving this car car across the whole of southern Britain that one can understand it. It is not charming. It will not soothe you nor stir your emotions. Nor will it flatter your good taste, for its styling maintains a reserve of deepest inscrutability. If you wish to enjoy high performance then similarly priced sports saloons from Alfa can best most models in the range. The Lancia Beta offers a more eloquent tiller. Ford can sell you a more comprehensible saloon. If you value French flavour, the CX is roquefort to the Peugeot´s bland port salut. Rover´s Stilton is yet more pungent. Drivers of German machines will assume the Peugeot is not as well assembled (actually it is). The 505 provides a better ride and handling compromise than either BMW´s nervous, over-priced 518 or Benz´s dull taxis (which neither ride nor handle but offer a lifetime of ill-informed self-satisfaction). And so we are still arriving at the conclusion. For every point there is a counterpoint, and for everything the 505 does quite well (and it does much) there is another car that does that one thing slightly better (or differently). What the 505 does well, it does so imperceptibly, and this particular quality is the essence of the car. Peugeot will still sell hundreds of thousands of examples of the 505 (and nobody will notice).

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I have no idea how I missed this.

Seriously this is the best come back you can find to bolster your position?

The only thing I was able to take away from this is that the writer smoked under a canopy.

No safety test, no crush test, no comparison to other vehicles safety test, etc Come on Man you can surely do bette than this.

"Peugeot will still sell hundreds of thousands of examples of the 505 (and nobody will notice)."

Not in the US they didn't and we noticed because we actually care about safety and not nonsensicals.

PS: And Sir, please stop comparing a mere rambling blogger with incoherent thoughts to the AP.

I can"t find Radio Biafra in my area and any Igbo station I found was tether playing Igbo music or going on about local matters. None can compare to AP or NPR.

Its obvious this thread was created to bash Ikenna351 simply because I exist in Car Talk, Nairaland. Lol! Such that the hatred has been transfered to Peugeot brand as well. Lol!

Anyway, now you got my attention.

Ikenna

dfos2k: Why do you think Peugeot lost their market leadership status in Nigeria? Lack of innovation and unnecessary arrogance that is displayed in their unwillingness to follow changing consumer tastes and trends.

You mean Nigerians changed their taste and trends for broke automobiles and you want Peugeot to stoop that low? That some Nigerians couldnt afford Peugeot 406 when it was sold brand new, whose fault it is? Why not tell Ferrari & Lamborghini to produce low quality cars so that Nigerians can afford them?

Ikenna

Before i go further, let me show everyone what my Lions they call crap look like, starting with my lovely Baby.

Ikenna

My Baby; The King of Lions; My 505 V6 stick!


Ikenna

"Poverty is a state of mind" Rahul Ghandi.

CityNG: "Poverty is a state of mind" Rahul Ghandi.

That wasn't called for. Stick to the facts.

My babe!














Ikenna

What about My SV D9? The King of Foxes! 406 V6 Stick!















Ikenna

GAZZUZZ:

That wasn't called for. Stick to the facts.

If I violated the TOS then ban me, else "have a nice day"

PS: Just so you know it's not a popularity contest.

Toyota Corolla, a much better and safer car, according to United States NTHSA.

Oh! By the way, another powerful Lion will be added very soon.



Ikenna

1988 Peugeot 505 Owners review:


"1988 Peugeot 505 STX 2.8 V6 from North America



Year of manufacture: 1988
First year of ownership: 1999
Most recent year of ownership: 2001
Engine and transmission: 2.8 V6 Manual
Performance marks: 8 / 10
Reliability marks: 7 / 10
Comfort marks: 10 / 10
Running Costs (higher is cheaper): 8 / 10
Overall marks (average of all marks)
: 8.3 / 10

Distance when acquired: 98000 miles
Most recent distance: 132000 miles
Previous car: Alfa Romeo 164L


Summary:

If it wears out I will get another one




Faults:


Alternator failed.

Seat heat switches stuck on.

Water pump started leaking, and normal maintenance.



General Comments:


This is the best driving car I have ever had. I like it better then the Alfa ut replaced and it is much more fun to drive then my new Mercedes Benz E-class. I use it as my daily driver and will be bummed out when it wears out. The most comfortable seats in the world bar none. I installed a elite suspension kit from Europe and it is a Handler. I could go on forever, a neat Car "



Read other reviews from previous owners of the 1988 Peugeot 505 below:


http://www.carsurvey.org/reviews/peugeot/505/1988/




Ikenna

Find another 505 review:


" Peugeot 505 STX, one way to describe it, best thing since sliced bread. Love it, would not replace it with anything else other than a Peugeot.. I wish the would be back in the North American market, it would be a blast.

Lucky to have landed on a STX with only 68K, yes 86K miles.. Garaged and taken care like a baby. To imagine my daughter would love driving it to a 2007 Lexus ES350 brings a tear to my eyes."



Source: http://www.carsurvey.org/reviews/peugeot/505/1987/#r87407




Ikenna

More reviews people that have used Peugeot 505 before:




" 1989 Peugeot 505 V6 2.8 V6 from UK and Ireland



Year of manufacture: 1989
First year of ownership: 2000
Most recent year of ownership: 2001
Engine and transmission: 2.8 V6 Automatic
Performance marks: 8 / 10
Reliability marks: 7 / 10
Comfort marks: 10 / 10
Dealer Service marks: 1 / 10
Running Costs (higher is cheaper): 7 / 10
Overall marks (average of all marks):
6.6 / 10

Distance when acquired: 80000 miles
Most recent distance: 90000 miles
Previous car: BMW 535i



Summary:

Great underrated performance car. Well specced



Faults:


4 shocks replaced.

Starter.

Fuel injection problems.

Many electrical problems.

Battery.




General Comments:


Superb driver, great performance from the 2.8 V6, great handling (better than my other car - a BMW 535).

Comfortable, well specced (leather, A/C, ABS and electric everything). Great seats!

On the down side, poor wipers, high-ish road noise, extremely hard to get parts or info for maintenance.



Source: http://www.carsurvey.org/reviews/peugeot/505/1989/page-2/#r11173



Ikenna

Comparing Peugeot 505 to that little Toyota Corolla is very ridiculous. When people that owned both 505 and BMW 5-series & Benz E-class in that era preferred 505 to the 5-series & E-class. Yet someone is here comparing the 505 to Corolla. People sef!

You can compare the 1988 Corolla to Peugeot 205. Will get to it later.

Ikenna

Meanwhile, someone claimed Peugeot cars are not safe, lets see what a previous Peugeot 206 owner has to say about Peugeot:



" 2000 Peugeot 206 s16 2.0 from Australia and New Zealand



Summary:

The safest small car in the world



General Comments:


This car saved my life.

I was hit head on at 100km an hour on a southern road in New Zealand. The other driver slipped on the ice, crossed the center line, and was killed in the accident.

The front of my 206 disintegrated taking all the impact. The engine dropped below the car as it should do. I walked out of the car with only fractures. The crash investigators said they would recommend Peugeot to everyone they met.

This is a seriously safe car. "



Source: http://www.carsurvey.org/reviews/peugeot/206/2000/




Ikenna

Peugeot 505 Turbo won a race in 1988.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TQpgdgPTog





Ikenna

Let me roar a litlle before I continue.








Ikenna

"In 1979, Peugeot registered the worst score in the entire 10-year crash test history."

Source http://www.multinationalmonitor dot org/hyper/issues/1990/01/dunlap.html

"Seriously, though, the 505 is the worst Peugeot you'll find in America, except maybe the 604."

http://jalopnik dot com/322977/pch-turbodiesel-edition-peugeot-505-or-toyota-camry

"Consumre Reports also gave it low marks"

Source http://news dot google.com/newspapers?nid=1955&dat=19910825&id=DbcxAAAAIBAJ&sjid=COMFAAAAIBAJ&pg=5630,4154454

"did u know that peugeot is currently one of the worst car manufacturers?"

https://www.facebook dot com/peugeotme/posts/280760101934916

Is that the roar of agony of defeat or joy of finally getting out of being flogged for safety violations by NHTSA?

"Peugeot had a terrible reputation by the time they folded up their American operation in the early 1990s. So bad that they have not ever considered returning to the United States to this market, even 20 years after the waved the white flag in the first place."

http://bangshift dot com/general-news/bangshift-question-of-the-day/question-of-the-day-which-failed-car-brand-has-the-worst-reputation-in-america/

"Peugeot has performed poorly in some Government crash tests; it does not have air bags. "

http://www.nytimes dot com/1989/04/15/style/consumer-s-world-car-crash-tests-what-do-they-prove.html

On an Australian forum.

"The best made has to be the 504. The worst is the 309. This was the UK made Peugeot back in the 80's. They fell apart. It was so ugly it could be a modern art sculpture."

"Worst; Every Pug since the 505"

http://www.aussiefrogs dot com/forum/peugeot-forum/91549-frankn-pug-what-best-worst-car-pugeot-has-ever-made.html

Now lets go to Australia and see what they have to say about newer Peugeots and Toyotas.

In 2013, 2010 model Peugeot 508 2.0 Litre Diesel beat 2013 Toyota Camry/Aurion AT-X V6 hands down. A whole underpowered 2.0 Litre car against 3.5 litre V6 engine car and the Diesel won? Is that not shameful? Imagine if the higher trim of 508, GT, was used instead, would the Toyota be there in the first place? Shame!

Find out from below the full gist:

http://www.mynrma.com.au/motoring-services/reviews/car-reviews/holden/holden-commodore-vf-sv6-best-large-car-under-60000-australias-best-cars-2013.htm




Ikenna

"A couple of Peugeot 505s with huge attached bumpers that were used to push non-running junk through the block" *

http://www.thetruthaboutcars dot com/2009/04/hammer-time-daewoo-worst-automaker-ever/

* Well I guess they served a purpose being used to push cars around the auction lot

What's the worst car you have ever owned?

"Peugeot 505 STi. It fell apart after 2 years and the engine never ran right after the first service, even Peugeot head office service centre techs couldn't sort it out. Only bought it as I'd been living in Africa where the 404 and 504 were the usual workhorses and tough as old boots, ordered before I left Africa and picked it up at the factory just outside Paris and drove it home."

Yep living on old glory

http://www.jaginfo dot org/archive/index.php/t-2635.html