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Curiosity: How And Why Did The Figures (419) Be Used To Mean "Scam", "Fraud"? by Nobody: 2:30pm On Jul 20, 2014
Hmmmm, they say who asks question, gets an answer and be enlightened.

I have just been thinking to what prompted the usage of the figures (419) to mean scam which is recognized internationally. Where (which part of the world) did the formation come from and who were those responsible for it? What year did this happen? What necessitated the formation even after real words like "scam", "fraud" etc were already formed and used?

Answers i need pls.
Re: Curiosity: How And Why Did The Figures (419) Be Used To Mean "Scam", "Fraud"? by Doclight(m): 2:33pm On Jul 20, 2014
RedBenson: Hmmmm, they say who asks question, gets an answer and be enlightened.

I have just been thinking to what prompted the usage of the figures (419) to mean scam which is recognized internationally. Where (which part of the world) did the formation come from and who were those responsible for it? What year did this happen? What necessitated the formation even after real words like "scam", "fraud" etc were already formed and used?

Answers i need pls.
important question
Re: Curiosity: How And Why Did The Figures (419) Be Used To Mean "Scam", "Fraud"? by MANGAM(m): 2:42pm On Jul 20, 2014
Section 419 of nigeria criminal code

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Re: Curiosity: How And Why Did The Figures (419) Be Used To Mean "Scam", "Fraud"? by Darkchocolate(f): 2:43pm On Jul 20, 2014
^^^ Exactly due to the above.
Criminal Code Act-Part VI - Nigeria Law

419. Any person who by any false pretence, and with intent to defraud, obtains from any other person anything capable of being stolen, or induces any other person to deliver to any person anything capable of being stolen, is guilty of a felony, and is liable to imprisonment for three years.



If the thing is of the value of one thousand naira or upwards, he is liable to imprisonment for seven years.



It is immaterial that the thing is obtained or its delivery is induced through the medium of a contract induced by the false pretence.



The offender cannot be arrested without warrant unless found committing the offence.

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Re: Curiosity: How And Why Did The Figures (419) Be Used To Mean "Scam", "Fraud"? by Nobody: 2:45pm On Jul 20, 2014
Doclight: important question

Thanks. Any idea?
Re: Curiosity: How And Why Did The Figures (419) Be Used To Mean "Scam", "Fraud"? by eph12(m): 2:47pm On Jul 20, 2014
419 is a section in Nigeria crime code that talks about the punishment for Advance Fee Fraud.

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Re: Curiosity: How And Why Did The Figures (419) Be Used To Mean "Scam", "Fraud"? by Nobody: 3:17pm On Jul 20, 2014
Darkchocolate: ^^^ Exactly due to the above.
Criminal Code Act-Part VI - Nigeria Law

419. Any person who by any false pretence, and with intent to defraud, obtains from any other person anything capable of being stolen, or induces any other person to deliver to any person anything capable of being stolen, is guilty of a felony, and is liable to imprisonment for three years.



If the thing is of the value of one thousand naira or upwards, he is liable to imprisonment for seven years.



It is immaterial that the thing is obtained or its delivery is induced through the medium of a contract induced by the false pretence.



The offender cannot be arrested without warrant unless found committing the offence.

Serious about this? Then why do people use it exclusively like it was not a section in the law? And why the global recognition if related only to Nigeria?
Re: Curiosity: How And Why Did The Figures (419) Be Used To Mean "Scam", "Fraud"? by Ruq: 5:03pm On Jul 20, 2014
RedBenson:

Serious about this? Then why do people use it exclusively like it was not a section in the law? And why the global recognition if related only to Nigeria?


It's normal naah, it's just like the name of a character that's popular or a slang word that got global attention, its like asking why is weed called Mary Jane. 419 can be said to be a synonym for a confidence trick or any other deceptive crime.

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Re: Curiosity: How And Why Did The Figures (419) Be Used To Mean "Scam", "Fraud"? by maryannah(f): 5:10pm On Jul 20, 2014
Darkchocolate: ^^^ Exactly due to the above.
Criminal Code Act-Part VI - Nigeria Law

419. Any person who by any false pretence, and with intent to defraud, obtains from any other person anything capable of being stolen, or induces any other person to deliver to any person anything capable of being stolen, is guilty of a felony, and is liable to imprisonment for three years.



If the thing is of the value of one thousand naira or upwards, he is liable to imprisonment for seven years.



It is immaterial that the thing is obtained or its delivery is induced through the medium of a contract induced by the false pretence.



The offender cannot be arrested without warrant unless found committing the offence.
Re: Curiosity: How And Why Did The Figures (419) Be Used To Mean "Scam", "Fraud"? by Ellidude(m): 5:21pm On Jul 20, 2014
Read the meaning of this in Wikipedia. You'll find a lot about Nigeria. Lol

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/419_scams
Re: Curiosity: How And Why Did The Figures (419) Be Used To Mean "Scam", "Fraud"? by Darkchocolate(f): 5:31pm On Jul 20, 2014
RedBenson:

Serious about this? Then why do people use it exclusively like it was not a section in the law? And why the global recognition if related only to Nigeria?

Because Nigerians started those types of scams and normally are the ones that perpetrate it. There are specific scams/frauds that are called "419" scams and 8 times out of 10 was originated from either Nigeria or a Nigerian person.

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Re: Curiosity: How And Why Did The Figures (419) Be Used To Mean "Scam", "Fraud"? by nwaobitex: 5:40pm On Jul 20, 2014
419iner
Re: Curiosity: How And Why Did The Figures (419) Be Used To Mean "Scam", "Fraud"? by experimentist: 7:47pm On Jul 20, 2014
Front page something... 419 is a noun.
Re: Curiosity: How And Why Did The Figures (419) Be Used To Mean "Scam", "Fraud"? by obayaya(m): 7:49pm On Jul 20, 2014
Darkchocolate: ^^^ Exactly due to the above.
Criminal Code Act-Part VI - Nigeria Law

419. Any person who by any false pretence, and with intent to defraud, obtains from any other person anything capable of being stolen, or induces any other person to deliver to any person anything capable of being stolen, is guilty of a felony, and is liable to imprisonment for three years.



If the thing is of the value of one thousand naira or upwards, he is liable to imprisonment for seven years.



It is immaterial that the thing is obtained or its delivery is induced through the medium of a contract induced by the false pretence.



The offender cannot be arrested without warrant unless found committing the offence.
Re: Curiosity: How And Why Did The Figures (419) Be Used To Mean "Scam", "Fraud"? by SporaD8: 8:54pm On Jul 20, 2014
RedBenson:

Serious about this? Then why do people use it exclusively like it was not a section in the law? And why the global recognition if related only to Nigeria?
When that offence was still scarce, anytime someone reported the case, police will be like, "another 419(case)!"
And when someone ask the reporter how far? He will reply, "Police say na 419."
That's how the Numbers come about to represent the offence. lolz!
Re: Curiosity: How And Why Did The Figures (419) Be Used To Mean "Scam", "Fraud"? by SporaD8: 8:54pm On Jul 20, 2014
RedBenson:

Serious about this? Then why do people use it exclusively like it was not a section in the law? And why the global recognition if related only to Nigeria?
When that offence was still scarce, anytime someone reported the case, police will be like, "another 419(case)!"
And when someone ask the reporter how far? He will reply, "Police say na 419."
That's how the Numbers come about to represent the offence. lolz!
Re: Curiosity: How And Why Did The Figures (419) Be Used To Mean "Scam", "Fraud"? by Mogidi: 9:35pm On Jul 20, 2014
My thanks to those who explained the origin of 419.

The above theory seems more plausible, a friend had said to me it was the number plate on Tinubu's car, (the car he used for his cocaine runs in the USA), thanks for this enlightenment.

This is an eye opener.

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Re: Curiosity: How And Why Did The Figures (419) Be Used To Mean "Scam", "Fraud"? by Mutuwa(m): 10:04pm On Jul 20, 2014
Darkchocolate: ^^^ Exactly due to the above.
Criminal Code Act-Part VI - Nigeria Law

419. Any person who by any false pretence, and with intent to defraud, obtains from any other person anything capable of being stolen, or induces any other person to deliver to any person anything capable of being stolen, is guilty of a felony, and is liable to imprisonment for three years.



If the thing is of the value of one thousand naira or upwards, he is liable to imprisonment for seven years.



It is immaterial that the thing is obtained or its delivery is induced through the medium of a contract induced by the false pretence.



The offender cannot be arrested without warrant unless found committing the offence.

Ma...u be lawyer abeg?
Re: Curiosity: How And Why Did The Figures (419) Be Used To Mean "Scam", "Fraud"? by Harmvirus(f): 10:43pm On Jul 20, 2014
Just learnt something new..thanks guys
Re: Curiosity: How And Why Did The Figures (419) Be Used To Mean "Scam", "Fraud"? by Darkchocolate(f): 10:59pm On Jul 20, 2014
Mutuwa:

Ma...u be lawyer abeg?

Yes Sir
Re: Curiosity: How And Why Did The Figures (419) Be Used To Mean "Scam", "Fraud"? by Odunharry(m): 11:43pm On Jul 20, 2014
seun n mukina2 make una push am go frontpage o
Re: Curiosity: How And Why Did The Figures (419) Be Used To Mean "Scam", "Fraud"? by LaRoyalHighness(f): 12:02am On Jul 21, 2014
Exactly
MANGAM: Section 419 of nigeria criminal code
Re: Curiosity: How And Why Did The Figures (419) Be Used To Mean "Scam", "Fraud"? by Smartsyn(m): 12:15am On Jul 21, 2014
I don learn this one oo..
Re: Curiosity: How And Why Did The Figures (419) Be Used To Mean "Scam", "Fraud"? by Abbey2sam(m): 4:39am On Jul 21, 2014
RedBenson:

Serious about this? Then why do people use it exclusively like it was not a section in the law? And why the global recognition if related only to Nigeria?

now you're a useless question
Re: Curiosity: How And Why Did The Figures (419) Be Used To Mean "Scam", "Fraud"? by EddyNumerouno(m): 5:55am On Jul 21, 2014
Mogidi: My thanks to those who explained the origin of 419.

The above theory seems more plausible, a friend had said to me it was the number plate on Tinubu's car, (the car he used for his cocaine runs in the USA), thanks for this enlightenment.

This is an eye opener.
Are you aware you can be sued for defamation of character?
Re: Curiosity: How And Why Did The Figures (419) Be Used To Mean "Scam", "Fraud"? by justi4jesu(f): 6:03am On Jul 21, 2014
The bible Phillipians 4:19 - my God shall supply all my needs according to his riches and glory

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Re: Curiosity: How And Why Did The Figures (419) Be Used To Mean "Scam", "Fraud"? by NanaAmofah(m): 6:05am On Jul 21, 2014
my brothers not evrythin bad coms from blacks maybe our coloured friends invented it na them dey invent evry thin na
Re: Curiosity: How And Why Did The Figures (419) Be Used To Mean "Scam", "Fraud"? by Samgreguc(m): 6:18am On Jul 21, 2014
experimentist: Front page something... 419 is a noun.
no, its a verb.
.
419ar is the noun.

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Re: Curiosity: How And Why Did The Figures (419) Be Used To Mean "Scam", "Fraud"? by kevoh(m): 6:48am On Jul 21, 2014
You guys missed the ''Steal 1000 Naira, Get 7 years Imprisonment'' part ! . Some parts of the Nigerian Criminal Code need editing walahi!
Re: Curiosity: How And Why Did The Figures (419) Be Used To Mean "Scam", "Fraud"? by ignis: 7:18am On Jul 21, 2014
kevoh: You guys missed the ''Steal 1000 Naira, Get 7 years Imprisonment'' part ! . Some parts of the Nigerian Criminal Code need editing walahi!
Lol..... The two doesn't equate at all.
Re: Curiosity: How And Why Did The Figures (419) Be Used To Mean "Scam", "Fraud"? by kevoh(m): 7:24am On Jul 21, 2014
ignis:
Lol..... The two doesn't equate at all.

I guess N1000 would be like N350 000 at the time the Criminal code was being written.
Re: Curiosity: How And Why Did The Figures (419) Be Used To Mean "Scam", "Fraud"? by Raylight2(m): 7:58am On Jul 21, 2014
You find the Origin in [size=15pt]Psalm 41:9 " Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me."[/size]

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