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Re: I Stopped Believing In Hell And Eternal Damnation by uzoexcel(m): 7:05pm On Jul 23, 2014 |
and there goes my question...how did he know frosbel was twisting the scriptures?what makes his own use of the scriptures correct? shdemidemi: 2 Likes |
Re: I Stopped Believing In Hell And Eternal Damnation by shdemidemi(m): 7:19pm On Jul 23, 2014 |
uzoexcel: and there goes my question...how did he know frosbel was twisting the scriptures?what makes his own use of the scriptures correct? Only time can tell, they both have to present what they understand and avoid being conceited and subjective. Accept what the book says and not dismiss anything written simply because it contradicts what you are presenting. We must also understand the setting of the bible.... God the father was constant in all of the Old Testament... God the son (Jesus) became the bridge bringing us to the new and the Holy Spirit through Apostle Paul covered the new. The story of Apollos readily comes to mind, this man was hot when it comes to talking about repentance but he knew nothing about the gospel of grace. He was taught second hand by people who heard Paul speak about Grace- Acts 18 24 Meanwhile a Jew named Apollos, a native of Alexandria, came to Ephesus. He was a learned man, with a thorough knowledge of the Scriptures. 25 He had been instructed in the way of the Lord, and he spoke with great fervor[a] and taught about Jesus accurately, though he knew only the baptism of John. 26 He began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they invited him to their home and explained to him the way of God more adequately. The next time this man spoke about God, he had upgraded, he spoke about God's grace. But today, many stick to the old simply because they find it hard to debunk what they knew even when faced with the truth. 1 Like |
Re: I Stopped Believing In Hell And Eternal Damnation by Nobody: 8:23pm On Jul 23, 2014 |
So much confusion in Chrinsanity, makes me glad to be atheist. The only confusion I feel is selecting an intimate position. |
Re: I Stopped Believing In Hell And Eternal Damnation by Nobody: 8:31pm On Jul 23, 2014 |
shdemidemi: Sorry Sir, but again you are missing the point, lets 'hear' the gospel that Jesus preached and compare it with the vague talk above. Then he sent them out to tell everyone about the Kingdom of God and to heal the sick - Luke 9:2 notice the underlined word EVERYONE, not just the Jews ! Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel." (Mark 1:14-15) [Jesus] said to them, "I must preach the kingdom of God to the other cities also, because for this purpose I have been sent." (Luke 4:43) Now it came to pass, afterward, that [Jesus] went through every city and village, preaching and bringing the glad tidings [gospel] of the kingdom of God. (Luke 8:1) The good news I repeat is that these wicked kingdoms of this earth that have inflicted savagery and suffering on human beings will be destroyed and replaced by the KINGDOM OF GOD, that is the good news ! But, a certain apostle Paul presented what he called the gospel to the church saying - Hmm, sorry, dont agree. In Christ we are all brothers and co-heirs but we are also subject to him in the coming kingdom as citizens. But lets see what gospel Paul preached : " And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God ." - Acts 19:8 “Now I know that none of you among whom I have gone about preaching the kingdom will ever see me again." - Acts 20:25 "30 For two whole years Paul stayed there in his own rented house and welcomed all who came to see him. 31 He proclaimed the kingdom of God and taught about the Lord Jesus Christ—with all boldness and without hindrance!! " - Acts 28:30-31 Oh by the way, what gospel did Peter preach ? Yes you got it right , the kingdom. "looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat! But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells." - 2 Peter 3:13 The gospel is about the kingdom of God but you are right in the sense that we have to be saved into this kingdom to be part of it. However bear in mind that no one is saved until the last day , indeed the bible clearly says that only those who endure to the end will be saved and we wait for our salvation which shall be revealed when Jesus returns from Heaven etc. You really should start to relearn some of the things you preach because there is a lot of error therein. Daniel 7: 13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man,[a] coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed. and Daniel 7: 27 Then the sovereignty, power and greatness of all the kingdoms under heaven will be handed over to the holy people of the Most High. His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all rulers will worship and obey him.’ |
Re: I Stopped Believing In Hell And Eternal Damnation by alexleo(m): 9:52pm On Jul 23, 2014 |
uzoexcel: how is he twisting the scriptures when he quoted from the same bible u r reading Its not about reading the same scripture, its about accepting what is written rather than giving it sentiment-driven interpretation. Mark 3:29 - Jesus spoke about eternal damnation. Hebrews 6:2 talked about eternal judgment. Matthew 18;8- Jesus talked about everlasting fire. Matthew 25:41- Jesus talked about everlasting fire. Matthew 25:46- Jesus talked about everlasting punishment. Revelation 15;7 spoke about lake of fire burning forever Revelation 19;3 said the same thiing about the lake of fire. Mark 9:43-48 Jesus talks about sinners being cast into the fire that cannot be quenched. Luke 3:17 talks about unquenchable fire. So we should follow frosbel or what Jesus said? since when did the meaning of forever, unquenchable, eternal and everlasting change to mean a temporary thing? When it suits your false believe it becomes an un-ending thing but when it doesnt suit your false belief it becomes a temporary thing. If it is not twisting what else is it? e.g. when it says eternal life then it becomes un-ending but when it says eternal damnation it suddenly changes to become temporary. And you expect us to follow you and be playing ojoro with the scripture like that? No pls. |
Re: I Stopped Believing In Hell And Eternal Damnation by shdemidemi(m): 10:03pm On Jul 23, 2014 |
frosbel: Did Jesus make this statement- These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7 As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’ 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,[a] drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give. Did Paul declare the gospel he preached when he said- 15 Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. 3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance[a]: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, Let's deal with these verses one after the other so we don't mix and mumble too many things up. 1 Like |
Re: I Stopped Believing In Hell And Eternal Damnation by Nobody: 10:04pm On Jul 23, 2014 |
^^ Sorry Bro, but I have to say your theology is twisted in a strange way. Try and stick to simple biblical facts. |
Re: I Stopped Believing In Hell And Eternal Damnation by shdemidemi(m): 11:50pm On Jul 23, 2014 |
frosbel: ^^ I have not said much there atall... All I ask is for you to verify those statements and compare it to your previous long post. 1 Like |
Re: I Stopped Believing In Hell And Eternal Damnation by uzoexcel(m): 10:23am On Jul 25, 2014 |
A small clip from the pocahontas cartoon..The best line in the song by both warring people is ' THey are not like u and me and so that means they must be evil' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2av9SQsMIi8 |
Re: I Stopped Believing In Hell And Eternal Damnation by Ymodulus: 12:31am On Aug 17, 2014 |
MizMyColi: Sure the way is narrow and few find it-- in THIS life.cool. its getting interesting. |
Re: I Stopped Believing In Hell And Eternal Damnation by MizMyColi(f): 12:34am On Aug 17, 2014 |
Ymodulus:Atheist? Or Theist? It's not like it makes any difference though. |
Re: I Stopped Believing In Hell And Eternal Damnation by Ymodulus: 12:54am On Aug 17, 2014 |
MizMyColi: Atheist? Or Theist? It's not like it makes any difference though.Me? Atheist. beside there is difference. i do not like when someone term or classify THEIST and ATHEIST to have a single meaning. You abuse the prettiness of the these words as carved out by the lexicographers. And you reduce the status of atheist. |
Re: I Stopped Believing In Hell And Eternal Damnation by MizMyColi(f): 12:57am On Aug 17, 2014 |
Ymodulus:Oh, Okay. I take it you don't do labels? |
Re: I Stopped Believing In Hell And Eternal Damnation by Ymodulus: 1:03am On Aug 17, 2014 |
MizMyColi: Oh, Okay. I take it you don't do labels?ehmmmm, now am lost can you explain better |
Re: I Stopped Believing In Hell And Eternal Damnation by MizMyColi(f): 1:09am On Aug 17, 2014 |
Ymodulus:By Labels I mean: "I'm christian, luciferan, atheist, Mormon, agnostic etc" kind of. Description |
Re: I Stopped Believing In Hell And Eternal Damnation by Ymodulus: 1:16am On Aug 17, 2014 |
MizMyColi: By Labels I mean: "I'm christian, luciferan, atheist, Mormon, agnostic etc" kind of. DescriptionLol. ok i get thanks for the explanation. well i dont come up open about my beliefs in public to most nigerian because you will just end up stir-up discussion and insults. i only bring it up when i see the other side as the understanding type or when am on the internet(not most often) |
Re: I Stopped Believing In Hell And Eternal Damnation by MizMyColi(f): 1:18am On Aug 17, 2014 |
Ymodulus:Okay, I get your point. I won't ask further |
Re: I Stopped Believing In Hell And Eternal Damnation by Ymodulus: 1:24am On Aug 17, 2014 |
MizMyColi: Okay, I get your point. I won't ask further Ask go on. read my statement i said people that understand i let open, and from your profile i can see that atheist qualities even when i think you are not. summarily you are the understanding type and its ok we talk |
Re: I Stopped Believing In Hell And Eternal Damnation by MizMyColi(f): 1:27am On Aug 17, 2014 |
Ymodulus:Okay! Let's talk about your beliefs at the moment? |
Re: I Stopped Believing In Hell And Eternal Damnation by Ymodulus: 1:34am On Aug 17, 2014 |
MizMyColi: Okay! Let's talk about your beliefs at the moment?Well i will say i am more of a free thinker. in that i only accept beliefs based on its logicality / reason. Some of my beliefs 1. No hell fire 2. I don't believe in immortality of the soul 3. tithing 4. i believe in drinking alcohol 6. i don't believe in the bible account of creation. its flawed 7. i don't accept Evolution rather i accept Einstein theory of relativity in line with Big bang theory. 8. if i was to be a religionist, i will go with Buddhism. These are all i can recall for now So you what are your beliefs ? that's if you don't mind |
Re: I Stopped Believing In Hell And Eternal Damnation by Ymodulus: 1:39am On Aug 17, 2014 |
hi AtheistD |
Re: I Stopped Believing In Hell And Eternal Damnation by MizMyColi(f): 1:51am On Aug 17, 2014 |
Ymodulus: Cool Well, first off, I've come to realise that the christianity that's being practiced today inspires fear in people, instead of faith. I believe in the GodHead, yet I do not think of myself as a christian. Every belief I have that isn't centred in Love must be discarded I believe that truth is truth, no matter who says it or where it is found. I believe that God is love, light and life and that he's too big for one religion to claim monopoly of Him Life and Love is my religion. *Gotta hit the sheets now though* |
Re: I Stopped Believing In Hell And Eternal Damnation by Ymodulus: 2:07am On Aug 17, 2014 |
MizMyColi:By the above words i will say you are not a christian. because the christian god claims to be love (1 John vs 7- yet this same god has unleashed suffering and pains to humanity. this is evident in the old testaments and also in most verses of the scriptures. Look at the story of hell fire, i dont see how a young boy should offend me for just a reason and i ask him to kneel down for months outside the sun, people will say am wicked even if i say am lovely. The christian god claims to give free choice why this is not the case. well all that aside nice to know you are not christian, however are you married? if yes what is your husby? or kids religion? if you are not, how or what kind of man do you plan to get married to? reasons been in Nigeria, atheist hardly date atheist and families of atheist are despised by the public, so i will like to know what are your view feel free not to say if you don't want too. |
Re: I Stopped Believing In Hell And Eternal Damnation by MizMyColi(f): 10:04am On Aug 17, 2014 |
Ymodulus: LoL...... I would have loved to share freely on that, but considering recent happenings, I'm re-gathering my thoughts on that, I'd share when I feel free to. Talking about the christian god, well its a pity that most of us never set out to know the Almighty being for ourselves. I mean, Its so irksome, when I hear an acclaimed MOG saying stuffs in the lines of "The Wrath of God" "The Anger of the Lord".....for pete's sake, the God I relate with doesn't do wrath, He couldn't even if he wanted to, because it is just not in his nature. and if anyone wants to object, I back out of the argument with these words, "We have nothing to discuss here, because obviously, your God is my Devil" |
Re: I Stopped Believing In Hell And Eternal Damnation by Nobody: 10:27am On Aug 17, 2014 |
MizMyColi: "We have nothing to discuss here, because obviously, your God is my Devil" |
Re: I Stopped Believing In Hell And Eternal Damnation by MizMyColi(f): 10:31am On Aug 17, 2014 |
Apatheist: You! |
Re: I Stopped Believing In Hell And Eternal Damnation by Nobody: 10:36am On Aug 17, 2014 |
MizMyColi:Yes, me. |
Re: I Stopped Believing In Hell And Eternal Damnation by Ymodulus: 12:44pm On Aug 17, 2014 |
MizMyColi: Well well well i hope you having a funny happy sunday. Do not keep this day holy. well i have no God MizMyColi |
Re: I Stopped Believing In Hell And Eternal Damnation by Ymodulus: 12:46pm On Aug 17, 2014 |
MizMyColi: less i forget. why not we throw up a constructive debate? what do you say? Christian God is not a god of love I ymodulus propose |
Re: I Stopped Believing In Hell And Eternal Damnation by uzoexcel(m): 12:49pm On Aug 17, 2014 |
i tot i was d only one thinkn of buddhuism? Ymodulus: 1 Like |
Re: I Stopped Believing In Hell And Eternal Damnation by Ymodulus: 12:58pm On Aug 17, 2014 |
uzoexcel: i tot i was d only one thinkn of buddhuism?Wow that's cool, imagine we are Buddhist and what a peaceful place the world will be. We wont have to kill Unnecessarily. 1 Like |
Re: I Stopped Believing In Hell And Eternal Damnation by MizMyColi(f): 1:34pm On Aug 17, 2014 |
Ymodulus:Thank You, and do have a laughter filled one too. About the debate, I'd love to engage but I try to be considerate of other people and their beliefs. |
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