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Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by kpawoosay: 12:03pm On Jul 23, 2014 |
kpawoosay: 11:52am Hi pals. I was going through a thread that discussed about the sinful nature of donating egg or sperm to sperm bank. the arguments there was so intense that it finally became a choice that pleases the mind. They mentioned that for a child to grow in a womb of a woman. that must come from a union of male an female which is marriage. and also for you to give out your sperm dat maybe misused and even if a child is been created but u dont have the knowledge and the condition of the child whether the child is been brought up Godly. then it has become a sin. Then I tel u. if sperm donation to couples dat are in need of it is a sin,then donation of blood should become a sin too. instead of splitting it on the ground or inside condom for nothing but waste. we should be thankful to science and technology dat has aided in savin marriages that couldn't have offsprings due to one handicap or the other. that my own view. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by Nobody: 1:33pm On Jul 23, 2014 |
I believe for now it is wrong to donate such. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 2:50pm On Jul 23, 2014 |
striktlymi: I believe for now it is wrong to donate such. why? the self-service? 1 Like |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by Nobody: 7:21pm On Jul 23, 2014 |
striktlymi: I believe for now it is wrong to donate such.Valid logical Reason? |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by Nobody: 7:53pm On Jul 23, 2014 |
AlfaSeltzer: That is the least of the issues I have with the donation. I am almost certain that one can get access to another's semen without the need for m*sturbation. My concern is actually the implication it has for IVF. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by Nobody: 7:55pm On Jul 23, 2014 |
Apatheist: The question was direct. I don't see why I can't give a direct answer without the need to grace my answer with an explanation. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 8:15pm On Jul 23, 2014 |
striktlymi: the same implication as if he bleeped the woman. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by Nobody: 8:33pm On Jul 23, 2014 |
striktlymi:I am not the OP. I'm asking in my capacity. Why do you say so? Surely there must be a reason? |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by Nobody: 8:45pm On Jul 23, 2014 |
Apatheist: With respect to the OP, semen is need for IVF. IVF necessarily implies the death of one or more embryos. Human life starts at conception. The death of embryos implies the death of humans but in this case it is done deliberately. I have a problem with that. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 9:16pm On Jul 23, 2014 |
striktlymi: the bolded is great prob because there is no general agreement on when is conception. however without digressing, I would say that 75% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage. So should we all stop fucking? 1 Like |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by Nobody: 10:34pm On Jul 23, 2014 |
striktlymi:LMFAO. You're kidding, right? What about wet dreams? That's the "death of humans"? Self-service too? |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by Nobody: 3:26am On Jul 24, 2014 |
AlfaSeltzer: I quite agree that the exact time when conception takes place is very open to speculations and hence the disagreements that may arise but the point (not time) when human life begins really shoudn't be subject to debate because of its clarity. It is generally accepted that human life and bodily formation begins at the point where the male and female gametes are fused at fertilization (conception), thus necessitating the formation of the zygote. I am not sure if there is any 'medical scientist' who would hold a contrary opinion to this. Miscarriages unlike abortion are not deliberate, though some miscarriages are a direct result of the carelessness of one or more of the parents. In the event that the parents were carelessness, then manslaughter would be to murder what miscarriage is to abortion. However, in the case where the parents did everything right and still end up (regrettably) in miscarriage then it will not be their fault just like one who kills in self defence; neither of which is a sin nor a crime. So just like we can't stop defending ourselves from all aggressors because of the fear of killing someone out of self defence, we can't also stop getting involved in the conjugal act because we are afraid of having a miscarriage. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by Nobody: 3:29am On Jul 24, 2014 |
Apatheist: What's the correlation between m*sturbation and wet dreams with the deliberate killing of the unborn? |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by Nobody: 3:45am On Jul 24, 2014 |
striktlymi:You said: striklymi:No, IVF does not imply the death of embryo. Do you know what an embryo is? Embryo is what you get after successful fertilization. That is, sperm from the man, and ovum from the woman joined together. IVF is injecting sperm alone into the woman's ovum outside the body. IVF is not abortion. IVF is fertilization outside the body. So I do not understand what ivf has to do with death of embryo. Now to your question: sperm can die during ivf, it also happens during wet dreams. 1 Like |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by Nobody: 3:53am On Jul 24, 2014 |
Apatheist: Sorry brah but I believe you have some research to do. Do that research and correct some of the comments you made up there, then we can have the 'logical' discussion you set out to achieve. 2 Likes |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by Nobody: 3:54am On Jul 24, 2014 |
striktlymi:Mention the wrong part(s) of my comment. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by TheBigUrban2: 6:04am On Jul 24, 2014 |
Striklymi is just dodging. As usual, his unintelligent christian views have exposed him as someone who doesnt know what he is talking about. embryo death 1 Like |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by kevoh(m): 8:16am On Jul 24, 2014 |
Subscribing to thread... |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 8:17am On Jul 24, 2014 |
Apatheist: this: So I do not understand what ivf has to do with death of embryo. Statistically, only 8% of fertilized eggs end up in actual pregnancy. More than 90% are destroyed. This is what bothers striktly. He never said anything about sperm dying. 2 Likes |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 8:18am On Jul 24, 2014 |
TheBigUrban2: Striklymi is just dodging. Stop shaming atheists. 2 Likes |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by Nobody: 8:52am On Jul 24, 2014 |
Apatheist: Probably you may want to start with the implication of 'embryo selection' in IVF. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by Nobody: 8:54am On Jul 24, 2014 |
AlfaSeltzer: At least someone knows my issue with IVF. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by Nobody: 9:27am On Jul 24, 2014 |
Would it be ethical "Sacrificing" a few embryos if that will bring joy and smile to the never ending tears and agony of the childless? The answer to this question appears obvious. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by Nobody: 9:38am On Jul 24, 2014 |
AlfaSeltzer:My apologies. It seems I misunderstood. Also, the success rate is actually 30%, depending on the woman's age. For women younger than 35, the percentage of live births per cycle is 39.6%.www.infertility.about.com/od/ivf/f/ivf_success.htm
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Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 9:46am On Jul 24, 2014 |
Apatheist: You are confusing two separate statistics. The success rate you quoted is the percentage of women that succeed in getting pregnant through IVF. My rate was the percentage of embryos in IVF that actually result in pregnancy. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by Nobody: 9:47am On Jul 24, 2014 |
striktlymi:You can read my reply to Alfa for the success rate. The rate for miscarriage is almost as high as that of the failure of IVF. But the success rate of AI is higher. Is this allowed? |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by Nobody: 9:52am On Jul 24, 2014 |
AlfaSeltzer:Read the link. The first statistics is for when the woman is not using her own eggs, and it is dependent on her age. The second is when she's using her own eggs and it is not dependent on age. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 10:10am On Jul 24, 2014 |
Apatheist: You are still confusing things. Let me illustrate what we are saying. If 100 women go for IVF, statistically, 30 of them will end up giving birth. But they must have created 380 embryos. So 350 embryos is destroyed. You get it now? |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by Nobody: 10:26am On Jul 24, 2014 |
AlfaSeltzer:No, it doesn't work like that. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by Nobody: 10:32am On Jul 24, 2014 |
Apatheist: I read through your response to Alfa but it still does not address my concerns. |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 10:55am On Jul 24, 2014 |
Apatheist: How does it work? |
Re: Is Sperm/egg Donation A Sin? by Nobody: 11:03am On Jul 24, 2014 |
striktlymi:What are your concerns? |
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