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Who Is A "true Muslim Man"? by DeepZone: 5:37am On Oct 14, 2008
Is it only true muslim ladies? Who is a "true muslim man" that will surely join Allah in paradise/heaven whenever he dies? What are his qualities?
Re: Who Is A "true Muslim Man"? by olabowale(m): 1:00pm On Oct 14, 2008
@Deepzone: Allah is the Owner and Creator of Paradise/heaven. He does not have to be there, in it. Maybe you mean Muhammad (AS), the Universal and last Messenger/Prophet. Now, Muhammad (AS), is the one, as our leader, we the believers join, in Paradise. Paradise is created for the human slaves and servants, who receive the Mercy of the Merciful Allah.
Re: Who Is A "true Muslim Man"? by samba123(m): 2:39pm On Oct 14, 2008
Who is a "true muslim man"


I'm a true Muslim in faith. what can you says?
Re: Who Is A "true Muslim Man"? by babs787(m): 8:38pm On Oct 14, 2008
Salam Samba

Hope you are doing great. Longest time

From a link I stumbled upon:

Chapter 1.The Muslim and His Rabb

The Believing Man is Alert in faith and awareness in fearing Allah
He is Obedient to the commands of his Rabb
He is a true slave of Allah
He Worships Allah
He regularly performs the duties and good deeds required by Islam
He accepts the will and decree of Allah
He Regularly Prays Five Times a Day
He Attends the Jama‘ah (Congregational) Prayer
He Attends ‘Eid Prayers
He Prays Sunnah and Nafil Prayers
He Performs His Prayers Properly
He Pays Zakah on His Wealth
He Fasts During the Day and Prays at Night in Ramadhan
He Observes Nafil Fasts
He Goes on Hajj to the Sacred House of Allah
He Goes for ‘Umrah
He has a sense of responsibility for those under his authority
He Feels a Sense of Responsibility for the Members of His Family
He Does Not Sit Alone With a “Stranger Woman”
He lowers his gaze
He Avoids Mixing Freely With Women
He Does Not Shake Hands With a Non-Mahram Woman
He Does Not Travel With Non-Mahram
He Turns to Allah in Repentance
His Main Concern is the Pleasure of Allah
He Understands the True Meaning of Being a Servant of Allah
He Works to Support the Religion of Allah
He is Distinguished by His Islamic Character and True Religion
His Loyalty is to Allah Alone
He Enjoins What is Good and Forbids What is Evil
He Often Reads the Qur’an

Chapter 2: The Muslim Man and His Own Self

1-His Body
Moderation in food and drink
He exercises regularly
His body and clothes are clean
He Takes Care of his Mouth and Teeth
He Takes Care of His Hair
He Takes Care of Good Appearance
He Does Not Go to Extremes or show off

2- His Mind

He Takes Care of His Mind by Pursuing Knowledge until death as knowledge is an
obligation
A Muslim Man needs to know basics regarding deen is Quran,Hadith,Seerah,Islamic
History,Fiqh
A Muslim Achieves wisdom in the Field of Knowledge In General as long as
Shariah approves such knowledge.
The Muslim Man should be proficient in his specialty
The Muslim Man exposes himself to information about other fields
The Muslim Man is proficient in a foreign language
He is not Superstitious
He Never Stops Reading and Studying

3-The Muslim Man’s Soul

The Muslim Man polishes his soul through worship
He keeps company with righteous people and joins religious gatherings
He frequently repeats du‘as and supplications described in Quran & Ahadith

Chapter 3: The Muslim and His Parents
He Treats them with kindness and respect (birr)
He recognizes their status and knows his duties towards them
He is kind and respectful towards them even if they are not Muslims
He is extremely reluctant to disobey them
His mother comes first, then his father
He treats his parents’ friends well
He shows his kindness and humility towards his parents by not using words of
contempt nor repelling them

Chapter 4: The Muslim and His Wife

He Knows Importance of Marriage in Islam
He follows the guidance of Islam in his married life
He Chooses a Good Wife
He commands her with due consideration and gives her Respect
He Treats Her Family with Kindness and Respect
He understands his wife and respects her feelings
He helps her to make up for her failings and weaknesses
He knows how to strike a balance between pleasing his wife and treating his
mother with due kindness and respect
He Endears Himself to his Wife and is Keen to Please Her
He Does not Disclose Her Secrets
He Stands by Her and Offers Her Advice
He Encourages Her to Spend and Give Charity for the Sake of Allah
He Helps Her to Obey Allah (subhanawatala.)
He Fills Her Heart with Joy
He Makes Himself handsome for her
He is Cheerful and Grateful when he Meets her
He Shares Her Joys and Sorrows
He Does not Look at Other Women
He Does not Describe Other Men to Her
He Tries to Create an Atmosphere of Peace and Tranquility for Her
He is Tolerant and Forgiving
He is Strong in Character and Wise
He is One of the Most Successful Husband
He does not divorces without a valid reason

Chapter 5: The Muslim and His Children

He understands his great responsibility towards his children and Teaches them
Islam
He uses the best methods in bringing them up such as Commanding,loving
,Compassionate,Understaning their psychology , Attitude and also Correcting and
Guiding them.
He demonstrates His Love and Affection for Them He spends on them, willingly
and generously
He does not discriminate between sons and daughters in his affection and
spending
He Does not Pray Against his Children
He is alert to everything that may have an influence on them
He equally treats all his children
He instills good behavior and Attitudes in them

Chapter 6: The Muslim and His Sons and Daughters-in-Law


A – His Daughter-in-Law has Islamic values,high character and His Attitude
Towards her Daughter-in-Law is that He treats her as her own daughter,as a
family member,
He Knows how to Make a Good Choice in Selecting a Daughter-in-Law commitment to
Islam, and to be of a good and balanced character
He Knows His Place treats his daughter-in-law properly and fairly in all
circumstances and at all times,matters may run their natural, peaceful course
unaffected by misguided whims and desires and governed instead by religion,
reason and wisdom
He Gives Advice but Does not Interfere in Their Private Life
He Respects Her and Treats Her Well
He is Wise and Fair in his Judgement of his Daughter- in-Law

B – His Son-in-Law

His Attitude Towards his Son-in-Law
He Knows How to Make a Good Choice in Selecting a Son-in-Law religious
commitment and character you are pleased
He Respects and Honours Him
He Helps her Daughter to be a Good Wife to her Husband
He is Fair, and is Never Biased in Favor of Her Daughter
He Deals with Problems Wisely

Chapter 7: The Muslim Man and His Relatives (Arham)

He knows Islamic view of kinship ties
The Muslim Man upholds the ties of kinship according to the teachings of Islam
He maintains the ties of kinship even if his relatives are not Muslim
He fully understands the meaning of upholding the ties of kinship
He maintains the ties of kinship even if his relatives fail to do so

Chapter 8: The Muslim and His Neighbors

The Muslim Man is Kind and Friendly Towards Her neighbors
He is the best of people in his dealings with his neighbors
He Adhers the Islamic teachings concerning good treatment of neighbors
The true Muslim Man is tolerant towards his neighbor
He likes for his neighbor what he likes for himself He Knows Misery that
befalls humanity because of the lack of true Islamic morals and manners
The Muslim Man treats his neighbor in the best way he can
His generosity is directed towards both Muslim and non-Muslim neighbors
He starts with the neighbor whose home is closest to his own
The true Muslim Man is the best neighbor
He Knows bad neighbor is a person who is deprived of the blessing of faith
He Knows bad neighbor is a person whose good deeds are not accepted
He Knows a true Muslim is careful to avoid falling into sin where his neighbor
is concerned
His good treatment of his neighbor is not lacking and is Enough.
He puts up with his neighbor’s mistakes and bad treatment
He does not give tit-for-tat
He knows his neighbor’s rights over him

Chapter 9: The Muslim Man and His Friends and Brothers in Islam

He loves His Friends and Brothers for the sake of Allah
He Knows the great status of two who love one another for the sake of Allah
He Knows he effect of love for the sake of Allah on the life of the Muslims is
essential for unity
He does Not Forsake or Abandon His Brother
He is tolerant and forgiving towards them
He meets them with a smiling face
He is sincere towards them
He has a natural inclination towards kindness and faithfulness
He is kind to his brothers
He does not Gossip About Them
He Avoids Arguing with them, Making Hurtful Jokes and Breaking Promises
He is Generous and Honours His Brothers and prefers over himself
He prays for his Brothers in Their Absence

Chapter 10: The Muslim Man and His Community/Society

He Has a Good Attitude Towards Others and Treats Them Well
He is truthful & avoids giving false statements
He is Concerned About the Affairs of the Muslims
He Strives to Reconcile Between Muslim Men
He Repays Favours and is Grateful for Them
He does not cheat, deceive or stab in the back
He is not envious
He is sincere & gives sincere advice
He keeps his promises
He has a good attitude towards others and treats them well
He is characterized by shyness (Haya’)
He is gentle towards people
He is compassionate and merciful
He is tolerant ,forgiving and generous
He is easy-going in his business dealings
He is of cheerful countenance
He has a sense of humor
He is patient
He avoids cursing and foul language
He does not falsely accuse anyone of fisq or kufr
He is modest and discreet
He does not interfere in that which does not concern him
He refrains from backbiting and slandering the Honour of Others and Seeking
Out Their Faults
He avoids giving false statements
He avoids suspicion
He keeps secrets
He does not converse privately with another person when there is a third person
present
He is not arrogant or proud
He is humble and modest
He does not make fun of anyone
He respects elders and distinguished people
He mixes with people of noble character
He strives for people’s benefit and seeks to protect them from harm
He strives to reconcile between Muslims
He calls people to the truth
He enjoins what is good and forbids what is evil
He is wise and eloquent in his da‘wah
He is not a hypocrite
He does not show off or boast
He is Moderate with Regard to Her Clothing and Appearance
He is straightforward and consistent in his adherence to the truth
He repays favors and is grateful for them
He mixes with people and puts up with their insults
He tries to make people happy
He guides others to righteous deeds
He is easy on people, not hard and Does Not Bear Grudges
He is fair in his judgment of people
He does not oppress or mistreat others
He loves noble things and always aims high
His speech is not exaggerated or affected
He does not rejoice in the misfortunes of others
He is generous
He does not remind the beneficiaries of his charity
He is hospitable
He prefers others to himself
He helps to alleviate the burden of the debtor
He is proud and does not beg
He is friendly and likeable
He checks his customs and habits against Islamic standards
He follows Islamic manners in the way he eats and drinks
He greets with Islamic greeting i.e salam
He does not enter a house other than his own without permission
He does not look into other people’s houses
He sits wherever he finds room in a gathering
He avoids yawning in a gathering as much as he can
He follows the Islamic etiquette when he sneezes
He does not imitate women
He Does Not Seek the Divorce of Another Man so that he May Take His Place
He visits the sick
He attends funerals
Re: Who Is A "true Muslim Man"? by DeepZone: 10:15pm On Oct 14, 2008
@Deepzone: Allah is the Owner and Creator of Paradise/heaven. He does not have to be there, in it. Maybe you mean Muhammad (AS), the Universal and last Messenger/Prophet. Now, Muhammad (AS), is the one, as our leader, we the believers join, in Paradise. Paradise is created for the human slaves and servants, who receive the Mercy of the Merciful Allah.

Did you read my question at all?
Re: Who Is A "true Muslim Man"? by DeepZone: 10:16pm On Oct 14, 2008
Salam Samba

Hope you are doing great. Longest time

From a link I stumbled upon:

Chapter 1.The Muslim and His Rabb

The Believing Man is Alert in faith and awareness in fearing Allah
He is Obedient to the commands of his Rabb
He is a true slave of Allah
He Worships Allah
He regularly performs the duties and good deeds required by Islam
He accepts the will and decree of Allah
He Regularly Prays Five Times a Day
He Attends the Jama‘ah (Congregational) Prayer
He Attends ‘Eid Prayers
He Prays Sunnah and Nafil Prayers
He Performs His Prayers Properly
He Pays Zakah on His Wealth
He Fasts During the Day and Prays at Night in Ramadhan
He Observes Nafil Fasts
He Goes on Hajj to the Sacred House of Allah
He Goes for ‘Umrah
He has a sense of responsibility for those under his authority
He Feels a Sense of Responsibility for the Members of His Family
He Does Not Sit Alone With a “Stranger Woman”
He lowers his gaze
He Avoids Mixing Freely With Women
He Does Not Shake Hands With a Non-Mahram Woman
He Does Not Travel With Non-Mahram
He Turns to Allah in Repentance
His Main Concern is the Pleasure of Allah
He Understands the True Meaning of Being a Servant of Allah
He Works to Support the Religion of Allah
He is Distinguished by His Islamic Character and True Religion
His Loyalty is to Allah Alone
He Enjoins What is Good and Forbids What is Evil
He Often Reads the Qur’an

Chapter 2: The Muslim Man and His Own Self

1-His Body
Moderation in food and drink
He exercises regularly
His body and clothes are clean
He Takes Care of his Mouth and Teeth
He Takes Care of His Hair
He Takes Care of Good Appearance
He Does Not Go to Extremes or show off

2- His Mind

He Takes Care of His Mind by Pursuing Knowledge until death as knowledge is an
obligation
A Muslim Man needs to know basics regarding deen is Quran,Hadith,Seerah,Islamic
History,Fiqh
A Muslim Achieves wisdom in the Field of Knowledge In General as long as
Shariah approves such knowledge.
The Muslim Man should be proficient in his specialty
The Muslim Man exposes himself to information about other fields
The Muslim Man is proficient in a foreign language
He is not Superstitious
He Never Stops Reading and Studying

3-The Muslim Man’s Soul

The Muslim Man polishes his soul through worship
He keeps company with righteous people and joins religious gatherings
He frequently repeats du‘as and supplications described in Quran & Ahadith

Chapter 3: The Muslim and His Parents
He Treats them with kindness and respect (birr)
He recognizes their status and knows his duties towards them
He is kind and respectful towards them even if they are not Muslims
He is extremely reluctant to disobey them
His mother comes first, then his father
He treats his parents’ friends well
He shows his kindness and humility towards his parents by not using words of
contempt nor repelling them

Chapter 4: The Muslim and His Wife

He Knows Importance of Marriage in Islam
He follows the guidance of Islam in his married life
He Chooses a Good Wife
He commands her with due consideration and gives her Respect
He Treats Her Family with Kindness and Respect
He understands his wife and respects her feelings
He helps her to make up for her failings and weaknesses
He knows how to strike a balance between pleasing his wife and treating his
mother with due kindness and respect
He Endears Himself to his Wife and is Keen to Please Her
He Does not Disclose Her Secrets
He Stands by Her and Offers Her Advice
He Encourages Her to Spend and Give Charity for the Sake of Allah
He Helps Her to Obey Allah (subhanawatala.)
He Fills Her Heart with Joy
He Makes Himself handsome for her
He is Cheerful and Grateful when he Meets her
He Shares Her Joys and Sorrows
He Does not Look at Other Women
He Does not Describe Other Men to Her
He Tries to Create an Atmosphere of Peace and Tranquility for Her
He is Tolerant and Forgiving
He is Strong in Character and Wise
He is One of the Most Successful Husband
He does not divorces without a valid reason

Chapter 5: The Muslim and His Children

He understands his great responsibility towards his children and Teaches them
Islam
He uses the best methods in bringing them up such as Commanding,loving
,Compassionate,Understaning their psychology , Attitude and also Correcting and
Guiding them.
He demonstrates His Love and Affection for Them He spends on them, willingly
and generously
He does not discriminate between sons and daughters in his affection and
spending
He Does not Pray Against his Children
He is alert to everything that may have an influence on them
He equally treats all his children
He instills good behavior and Attitudes in them

Chapter 6: The Muslim and His Sons and Daughters-in-Law

A – His Daughter-in-Law has Islamic values,high character and His Attitude
Towards her Daughter-in-Law is that He treats her as her own daughter,as a
family member,
He Knows how to Make a Good Choice in Selecting a Daughter-in-Law commitment to
Islam, and to be of a good and balanced character
He Knows His Place treats his daughter-in-law properly and fairly in all
circumstances and at all times,matters may run their natural, peaceful course
unaffected by misguided whims and desires and governed instead by religion,
reason and wisdom
He Gives Advice but Does not Interfere in Their Private Life
He Respects Her and Treats Her Well
He is Wise and Fair in his Judgement of his Daughter- in-Law

B – His Son-in-Law

His Attitude Towards his Son-in-Law
He Knows How to Make a Good Choice in Selecting a Son-in-Law religious
commitment and character you are pleased
He Respects and Honours Him
He Helps her Daughter to be a Good Wife to her Husband
He is Fair, and is Never Biased in Favor of Her Daughter
He Deals with Problems Wisely

Chapter 7: The Muslim Man and His Relatives (Arham)

He knows Islamic view of kinship ties
The Muslim Man upholds the ties of kinship according to the teachings of Islam
He maintains the ties of kinship even if his relatives are not Muslim
He fully understands the meaning of upholding the ties of kinship
He maintains the ties of kinship even if his relatives fail to do so

Chapter 8: The Muslim and His Neighbors

The Muslim Man is Kind and Friendly Towards Her neighbors
He is the best of people in his dealings with his neighbors
He Adhers the Islamic teachings concerning good treatment of neighbors
The true Muslim Man is tolerant towards his neighbor
He likes for his neighbor what he likes for himself He Knows Misery that
befalls humanity because of the lack of true Islamic morals and manners
The Muslim Man treats his neighbor in the best way he can
His generosity is directed towards both Muslim and non-Muslim neighbors
He starts with the neighbor whose home is closest to his own
The true Muslim Man is the best neighbor
He Knows bad neighbor is a person who is deprived of the blessing of faith
He Knows bad neighbor is a person whose good deeds are not accepted
He Knows a true Muslim is careful to avoid falling into sin where his neighbor
is concerned
His good treatment of his neighbor is not lacking and is Enough.
He puts up with his neighbor’s mistakes and bad treatment
He does not give tit-for-tat
He knows his neighbor’s rights over him

Chapter 9: The Muslim Man and His Friends and Brothers in Islam

He loves His Friends and Brothers for the sake of Allah
He Knows the great status of two who love one another for the sake of Allah
He Knows he effect of love for the sake of Allah on the life of the Muslims is
essential for unity
He does Not Forsake or Abandon His Brother
He is tolerant and forgiving towards them
He meets them with a smiling face
He is sincere towards them
He has a natural inclination towards kindness and faithfulness
He is kind to his brothers
He does not Gossip About Them
He Avoids Arguing with them, Making Hurtful Jokes and Breaking Promises
He is Generous and Honours His Brothers and prefers over himself
He prays for his Brothers in Their Absence

Chapter 10: The Muslim Man and His Community/Society

He Has a Good Attitude Towards Others and Treats Them Well
He is truthful & avoids giving false statements
He is Concerned About the Affairs of the Muslims
He Strives to Reconcile Between Muslim Men
He Repays Favours and is Grateful for Them
He does not cheat, deceive or stab in the back
He is not envious
He is sincere & gives sincere advice
He keeps his promises
He has a good attitude towards others and treats them well
He is characterized by shyness (Haya’)
He is gentle towards people
He is compassionate and merciful
He is tolerant ,forgiving and generous
He is easy-going in his business dealings
He is of cheerful countenance
He has a sense of humor
He is patient
He avoids cursing and foul language
He does not falsely accuse anyone of fisq or kufr
He is modest and discreet
He does not interfere in that which does not concern him
He refrains from backbiting and slandering the Honour of Others and Seeking
Out Their Faults
He avoids giving false statements
He avoids suspicion
He keeps secrets
He does not converse privately with another person when there is a third person
present
He is not arrogant or proud
He is humble and modest
He does not make fun of anyone
He respects elders and distinguished people
He mixes with people of noble character
He strives for people’s benefit and seeks to protect them from harm
He strives to reconcile between Muslims
He calls people to the truth
He enjoins what is good and forbids what is evil
He is wise and eloquent in his da‘wah
He is not a hypocrite
He does not show off or boast
He is Moderate with Regard to Her Clothing and Appearance
He is straightforward and consistent in his adherence to the truth
He repays favors and is grateful for them
He mixes with people and puts up with their insults
He tries to make people happy
He guides others to righteous deeds
He is easy on people, not hard and Does Not Bear Grudges
He is fair in his judgment of people
He does not oppress or mistreat others
He loves noble things and always aims high
His speech is not exaggerated or affected
He does not rejoice in the misfortunes of others
He is generous
He does not remind the beneficiaries of his charity
He is hospitable
He prefers others to himself
He helps to alleviate the burden of the debtor
He is proud and does not beg
He is friendly and likeable
He checks his customs and habits against Islamic standards
He follows Islamic manners in the way he eats and drinks
He greets with Islamic greeting i.e salam
He does not enter a house other than his own without permission
He does not look into other people’s houses
He sits wherever he finds room in a gathering
He avoids yawning in a gathering as much as he can
He follows the Islamic etiquette when he sneezes
He does not imitate women
He Does Not Seek the Divorce of Another Man so that he May Take His Place
He visits the sick
He attends funerals

As a pious muslim, do you keep all these rules?

He avoids yawning in a gathering as much as he can
He follows the Islamic etiquette when he sneezes
He does not imitate women

For real? How do they sneeze? Like French men because it can never be like Americans that has no sneezing and yawning manners?. What is imitating women? acting like gay men?
Re: Who Is A "true Muslim Man"? by Mustay(m): 8:43am On Oct 15, 2008
Stop that crap about gay men. who came out with the gay xtics?

just like they say a guy wearing pink = gayman! sad

The Prophet (PBUH) said:


1. "When you yawn, cover your mouth with your hand." (Muslim)

2. "Try as hard as possible to overcome your yawns while you are in your prayers". (Muslim)

3. "Allah likes the sneeze and dislikes the yawn. When someone amongst you makes a sound like "aah aah" while yawning, the shaitan (satan) laughs in his open mouth." (Tirmadhi)

4. "Allah likes the sneeze and dislikes the yawn. When someone among you sneezes and says: 'Alhamdulillah' (All praise to Allah [for relieving me]), it is essential for all those who hear him to say: "yarhamukallah" (May Allah have mercy on you). While if someone feels that he is about to yawn, he should try to overcome it, as much as possible [and if it is not possible to overcome it] he must not make sounds like: "haah haah". These sounds are prompted by the shaitan (satan) and he laughs when you make such sounds [while yawning]". (Tirmadhi)
Re: Who Is A "true Muslim Man"? by olabowale(m): 12:33pm On Oct 15, 2008
@Deepzone: Whats gay about being soffisticated and couth? We both live in the USA, right? The americans at the uppermost crust of the society, are very civilized, classy and bashful, in a sense that is relative to the best of every society!

Maybe you have not seen any, in all your stay in Maryland. You should them go to the seat of power, in DC. Or go to Prince Williams or Montgomery counties. These are the places you have Bethesda and Potomak townships. They do not behave like th low class street punks that you see rather too often.

The word "gay," initially was to indicate soffistication and class. Like those who are called "cloth horse, gentleman and scholar."


Who is a "true muslim man" that will surely join Allah in paradise

And yes, I read your question. And response that Allah is not a resident
of Paradise with the "Creations; men and women believers and Jinns",
is rather correct and appropriate to what is highlighted above.

Again Paradise is created for human and jinn as reward for the Mercy
he or she received from Allah. Of course, the flip side is the hell for those
who received justice without any mercy, for their greatest sin; Associating
or disregarding the worship of Allah as the Lord God worthy of all worships,
alone.
Re: Who Is A "true Muslim Man"? by samba123(m): 1:23pm On Oct 15, 2008
@Deepzone
As a pious muslim, do you keep all these rules?


Now you have all this information presented by Babs 787. Do you think you need extra curricular for that a Muslim to take another route to follows? It’s simple and presentable aside from that what else you should trying to imitate others to give such impressive ideas on this issues. Nothing more just keep its simple and doing your responsibility of God fearing Mumminin/believer.
Re: Who Is A "true Muslim Man"? by babs787(m): 8:59pm On Oct 15, 2008
Salam Samba

Nice short post
Re: Who Is A "true Muslim Man"? by Nimshi: 9:59pm On Oct 15, 2008
Some list. What's then important is the meaning of these things.

He Does Not Sit Alone With a Stranger Woman
He Does Not Shake Hands With a Non-Mahram Woman
He Does Not Travel With Non-Mahram


Not to sit alone with a "stranger woman"? Why not? And under what circumstances? Is  there always a danger in this? Is "sit" euphemism for something else? Not to shake hands with a Non-Mahram woman? Why not? It's considered quite rude to not shake hands at a first meeting with anybody when meeting in certain settings. Should Islam be used to justify rudeness? Is there a link between shaking hands and the thought behind this admonition? Same for travelling with a non-mahram woman. What's this supposed to achieve? There are Muslims who do this all the time, particularly in their line of work. Does this make a man any less virtuous? And, to show the short-sightedness of the pieces of advice concerning mahram women: that a woman is kin and unmarriageable by law and faith does not rule out illicit relationship with such a woman; good sense should trump unreasonable rules.

He does not imitate women.

This one is, right at sight, quite a misogynistic advice. What does it mean? Some women deserve to be imitated; and where a woman is an excellent role model, what's the problem with imitating a woman for the Muslim man who is so inclined? Or, did this advice emerge from a period where women are thought of, and dealt with, as second-class citizens?

The Muslim Man is Kind and Friendly Towards Her neighbors

You're on to sth important here. I didn't know that the rights of transvestites and – much less obviously – hermaphrodites are protected. In any case, it's wonderful  wink

He does not divorces without a valid reason

Going towards already covered terrain. Perhaps, a woman should be able to divorce a man; that right is conferred in many States; and some men deserve to be divorced; why should Muslim women be prevented from exercising this right.
Re: Who Is A "true Muslim Man"? by ayinba1(f): 10:23pm On Oct 15, 2008
"should not imitate women.

The simple word imitate is used here, NOT "emulate". Mimicking such as voice, hairdo,dressing,etc, as opposed to emulating piety in a woman


Oh Allah, I seek refuge against knowledge which is of no benefit to me. Amin
Re: Who Is A "true Muslim Man"? by DeepZone: 9:21am On Oct 16, 2008
samba123:

@Deepzone

Now you have all this information presented by Babs 787. Do you think you need extra curricular for that a Muslim to take another route to follows? It’s simple and presentable aside from that what else you should trying to imitate others to give such impressive ideas on this issues. Nothing more just keep its simple and doing your responsibility of God fearing Mumminin/believer.



Still did not answer my question. No need running around it like Hussein obama. undecided
Re: Who Is A "true Muslim Man"? by DeepZone: 9:22am On Oct 16, 2008
ayinba1:

"should not imitate women.

The simple word imitate is used here, NOT "emulate". Mimicking such as voice, hairdo,dressing,etc, as opposed to emulating piety in a woman


Oh Allah, I seek refuge against knowledge which is of no benefit to me. Amin




Was it not Olabowale that always attack the bible about interpretation based on language? How come y'all are confusing 'imitate' with 'emulate'? Which one is it since you use the original translation?
Re: Who Is A "true Muslim Man"? by olabowale(m): 12:34pm On Oct 16, 2008
@Deepzone: « #12 on: Today at 09:21:00 AM »

Still did not answer my question. No need running around it like Hussein obama.

Are you ready for a man? Getting manrried? To a muslim man? lol. That will be interesting.

And the name does not make the religion. Obama, from his own mouth professes Christianity.

Whats your point; a Christian man running around it?
Re: Who Is A "true Muslim Man"? by samba123(m): 3:17pm On Oct 16, 2008
babs787:

Salam Samba

Nice short post


I still learn from you Bad 787,Olabowale you two are most active in this forum and our brothers and sisters too.


DeepZone:

Still did not answer my question. No need running around it like Hussein obama. undecided

you make me  grin grin I',m not running i just point out directly to you.
Re: Who Is A "true Muslim Man"? by babs787(m): 9:30pm On Oct 16, 2008
He Does Not Sit Alone With a Stranger Woman
He Does Not Shake Hands With a Non-Mahram Woman
He Does Not Travel With Non-Mahram


WHO IS CONSIDERED TO BE MAHRAM FOR MUSLIM MEN:

Any woman, with whom a man has a relationship (of blood or foster) that precludes marriage, is considered a mahram to him. Mahram women include his mother, grandmother, daughter, granddaughter, sister, aunt, grandaunt, niece, grandniece, his father's wife, his wife's daughter, his mother-in-law, his foster mother , foster sisters, and any foster relatives that are similar to the above mentioned blood relatives.

WHO IS CONSIDERED TO BE MAHRAM FOR MUSLIM WOMEN:

Any woman with whom a man has a relationship (of blood or fosterage) that precludes marriage, is considered a Mahram to him.

Mahram women include his mother, grandmother, daughter, granddaughter, sister, aunt, grandaunt, niece, grandniece, his father's wife, his wife's daughter, his mother-in-law, his foster mother (the one who nursed him), foster sisters, and any foster relatives that are similar to the above mentioned blood relatives as the Prophet (SAW) said, "What is forbidden by reason of kindship is forbidden by reason of suckling." (Al-Bukhari)

These are considered Maharim because Allah (SWT) mentioned them in the Holy Qur'an: "And marry not women whom your fathers married, except what has already passed; indeed it was shameful and most hateful, and an evil way. Forbidden to you (for marriage) are: your mothers, your daughters, your sisters, your father's sisters, your mother's sisters, your brother's daughters, your sister's daughters, your foster mother who gave you suck, your foster milk suckling sisters, your wives' mothers, your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom you have go in - but there is no sin on you if you have not gone in them (to marry their daughters), - the wives of your sons who (spring) from your own loins, and two sisters in wedlock at the same time, except for what has already passed; verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." (An-Nisa 4:22-23)

All the man's female relatives mentioned in these two verses are considered his Maharim, because it is unlawful (haram) for him to marry them, except the wife's sister mentioned last, who is not a Mahram because he can marry her if he divorces her sister, or if she dies. Reciprocally, if a woman is a Mahram to a man, such as her brother, her father, her uncle, etc. then he is a Mahram to her. All other relatives are considered non-Maharim and they fall under the category of strangers to her, except one's wife or husband who is also called Mahram.

Rasulullah (SAW) explained: If one of you were to be stabbed in the head with a piece of iron it would be better for him than if he were to touch a woman whom it is not permissible for him to touch.” (Reported by al-Tabaraani; see also Saheeh al-Jaami, 5045).

This sin is considered a fornication of the hand, as the Prophet, sallallahu alayhe wa sallam, said, "The eyes fornicate, and the hands fornicate, and the feet fornicate, and the intimate parts fornicate." (Ahmad)

Is there a person purer than Muhammad, sallallahu alayhe wa sallam? And in spite of that he said, "I do not shake women's hands." (Ahmad) He also said, "I do not touch women's hands." (Tabarani)

Aisha, radhiallahu anha, said, "No by Allah, the Prophet's hand never touched a woman's hand, he used to accept their pledge of allegiance by [hearing their] words only." (Muslim)

`A’ishah said, “By Allah, the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) only took the oath of allegiance from the women in the manner prescribed by Allah, and the hand of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) never touched the hand of any woman. When he had taken their oath of allegiance he would say, ‘I have accepted your oath of allegiance verbally.’” (Reported by Al-Bukhari)


Abeg, let us learn more here:


http://www.suhaibwebb.com/blog/general/shaking-hands-with-a-non-mahram-dr-yusuf-al-qaradawi/


Rasulullah (SAW) said, “Whenever a man is alone with a woman the Devil makes a third.” (Al-Tirmidhi 3118, Narrated Umar ibn al-Khattab, Tirmidhi transmitted it as authentic)


He does not divorces without a valid reason

Going towards already covered terrain. Perhaps, a woman should be able to divorce a man; that right is conferred in many States; and some men deserve to be divorced; why should Muslim women be prevented from exercising this right.

Women are not prevented from exercising the right provided there is a valid reason, she can divorce her husband and the husband must agree.
Re: Who Is A "true Muslim Man"? by Nimshi: 9:24pm On Oct 17, 2008
ayinba1:

"should not imitate women.

The simple word imitate is used here, NOT "emulate". Mimicking such as voice, hairdo,dressing,etc, as opposed to emulating piety in a woman

Oh Allah, I seek refuge against knowledge which is of no benefit to me. Amin


Since we're talking simple English, perhaps a dictionary would be useful? Here:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/imitate

4 dictionary results for: imitate
1. to follow or endeavor to follow as a model or example: to imitate an author's style; to imitate an older brother.


That should be useful.
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Re: Who Is A "true Muslim Man"? by Nimshi: 9:33pm On Oct 17, 2008
This sin is considered a fornication of the hand, as the Prophet, sallallahu alayhe wa sallam, said, "The eyes fornicate, and the hands fornicate, and the feet fornicate, and the intimate parts fornicate." (Ahmad)

Quite a peculiar, keyhole definition of fornication. The eyes fornicate, eh? How about the feet? And the thighs? And the knee? And why stop there? What about the eyebrows (yeah, eyebrows could do stuff too)? What about your breath? Like, when standing next to a woman about your height in the elevator/lift, and you've no choice than to look right at each other, and as you exhale, the spent air mixes just outside your form? that should be fornication too, no?

And yeah; just before that meeting. . . I see me shaking the guys but not the only lady; why? Because I'm afraid I'm going to be aroused, eh? This, my friend, is primitive to the roots.

Aisha, radhiallahu anha, said, "No by Allah, the Prophet's hand never touched a woman's hand, he used to accept their pledge of allegiance by [hearing their] words only." (Muslim)

This is a most definitely a lie. The Prophet never touched the hand of a woman?

Come to think of it, aren't there exceptions? If you're to rescue a drowning woman from Bar Beach, say, wouldn't that necessitate lots of body contact? Or, would a decent human be daft enough to pass because of, er, body contact?? This, is absurd. This whole thing.
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Re: Who Is A "true Muslim Man"? by reindeer: 12:09am On Oct 18, 2008
Hmmmm.
voice of reason speaks
any responses?
Re: Who Is A "true Muslim Man"? by olabowale(m): 12:53am On Oct 18, 2008
@Nimshi: « #18 on: Today at 09:33:33 PM »  

Quite a peculiar, keyhole definition of fornication. The eyes fornicate, eh? How about the feet? And the thighs? And the knee? And why stop there? What about the eyebrows (yeah, eyebrows could do stuff too)? What about your breath? Like, when standing next to a woman about your height in the elevator/lift, and you've no choice than to look right at each other, and as you exhale, the spent air mixes just outside your form? that should be fornication too, no?

And yeah; just before that meeting. . . I see me shaking the guys but not the only lady; why? Because I'm afraid I'm going to be aroused, eh? This, my friend, is primitive to the roots.

Is prevention not better than cure? If a system is set before you that does not let you fall into a regrettable situation, has it not serve its purpose, if you stay clear of the hard fall? Is it primitive to the roots to be noble? I will take nobility any day, eve if it keeps me in the "stone age" era!



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Aisha, radhiallahu anha, said, "No by Allah, the Prophet's hand never touched a woman's hand, he used to accept their pledge of allegiance by [hearing their] words only." (Muslim)

This is a most definitely a lie. The Prophet never touched the hand of a woman?

How is it a lie? Can you provide a single proof? I mean those whom you thought "he touched," when they are clearly "forbidden" to him. I will like to know these things from you.

Jesus (AS), John the son of Zachariah (AS), these men were virgins. An they were handsome men. Joseph (AS) was also a virgin until he got married. Considering their beauties, don't you see their nobilities, which kept them in piety that they ended up not committing any sexual sin?

Come to think of it the same Muhammad (AS) was 25 years old, yet a virgin, in the ludest of lude societies! The Makka that was worse than the 60s to early 80s US, specifically NYC bath houses of sexual orgies. How did he remain a virgin, until he was "disvirgined," by Khadijatu Qubra (RA)? If a man was able to display this high standard of self restraint, is it so difficult that he could even do what is less and common as not touching a woman that is forbidden to him?

I had just received a phone call from a Moroccan friend in New York City. This guy is at leat 45. Yet he is still a virgin! Who do you think he is imitating, except Muhammad (AS)?




Come to think of it, aren't there exceptions? If you're to rescue a drowning woman from Bar Beach, say, wouldn't that necessitate lots of body contact? Or, would a decent human be daft enough to pass because of, er, body contact?? This, is absurd. This whole thing.



But Allah did prevent him from these possible "exceptions!" He was in a desert as a youth. After 13 years as a prophet he left for Madina. No place he went that he was presented with a test of "a drowning woman!" I might have agreed with you if we are talking about "ordinary men." But we are talking about the select of God here. Is there a possibility that the man who should bring a universal message of forgiveness, mercy and success from the Lord God Allah the Creator to mankind, without any need of blood sacrifices, to be deficient? Shouldn't he be the best of all possible good character and morality, among mankind? Thats who Muhammad (AS) was.

Moses in Madian did walk in from of the women who he helped to drink their flocks. The reason he did, as they were taking him to meet their father, was that he knew that walking behind them, may bring about the temptation to "Look at their form." He avoided even the thought of it by suggesting and volunteering to lead the way, even though he did not know where they are going. He was willing to head to the destination, just by taking the direction from the women walking behind him.

There are plenty of muslims who are almost as pious that they will avoid touching a woman who is not their own if they can help it.
Re: Who Is A "true Muslim Man"? by ayinba1(f): 1:39pm On Oct 18, 2008
@reindeer

Nimshi is your voice of reason, heh?

@nimshi

I've asked before what exactly you aim for on these Islamic threads. Some non muslims keepp refering to you as a muslim. I am yet to find ONE post where you said. "I am a MUSLIM"

Yes, I see you have posted the definition of imitate, In this case of describing what a true muslim man should be/not be, it means copying feminine xtics. Islam is simple, but you are free to twist it whichever way you like. You would not be the first.

Ask for the tafsir of "men imitating women" and see if acts of piety are included in what you should not copy. But, I'm sure you know the answer already.

Again, Oh Allah, I seek refuge against knowledge which is of no benefit to me, AMIN
Re: Who Is A "true Muslim Man"? by olabowale(m): 4:14pm On Oct 18, 2008
@Reindeer: « #19 on: Today at 12:09:42 AM »

Hmmmm.
voice of reason speaks
any responses?

Report to moderator Logged


I love, relentlessly!

Never could you be as intensed as I love!
Re: Who Is A "true Muslim Man"? by huxley(m): 7:28pm On Oct 18, 2008
A true muslim is someone who has abdicted possession of all reasoning faculties and has become slave to an imaginary being
Re: Who Is A "true Muslim Man"? by babs787(m): 7:36pm On Oct 18, 2008
@Nimshi

I could remember that I asked you for your 'declaration of faith in one of the threads' in which you took to mean something else. I want to arrive at something hence my asking you and do you believe in Hadith NARRATED by Aisha (RA)?

I have been following your posts and none that makes you a MUSLIM. Your last post here is the worst of it all and make me think if you are a MUSLIM. I even remembered your argument in support of Muta marriage after proving Hadiths going against it. Like I said, it would not cause anybody any harm if you would be honest to yourself. In another thread again, I read you claiming to be listening to a song by someone (a Nigerian female singer) and you asked Frizy to listen to it. You called her ASA. Is there anywhere you were told to listen to that kind of music?

Now to your post:



Quite a peculiar, keyhole definition of fornication. The eyes fornicate, eh?

Firstly this is the hadith again:

This sin is considered a fornication of the hand, as the Prophet, sallallahu alayhe wa sallam, said, "The eyes fornicate, and the hands fornicate, and the feet fornicate, and the intimate parts fornicate." (Ahmad)

Are you trying to call the prophet a liar in which you claimed you are following the religion Adam. Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad (PBUT). The prophet said something and you trying to turn it to something else.

So you don't know that eyes fornicate huh? What of looking at a woman lustfully?


How about the feet?

What of your legs that goes to where you fornicate?

And the thighs? And the knee?

Legs and your private part answer that

And why stop there? What about the eyebrows (yeah, eyebrows could do stuff too)?

Common, that is under 'eyes'

What about your breath? Like, when standing next to a woman about your height in the elevator/lift, and you've no choice than to look right at each other, and as you exhale, the spent air mixes just outside your form? that should be fornication too, no?

What was your intention when you looked at her? First look is permitted and the second one is sin.

And yeah; just before that meeting. . . I see me shaking the guys but not the only lady; why? Because I'm afraid I'm going to be aroused, eh? This, my friend, is primitive to the roots.

I still don't know why you asked this question when I gave you hadith on shaking hands with a woman

This is a most definitely a lie. The Prophet never touched the hand of a woman?

Are you saying that the holy prophet lied? Nimshi, come out and tell your stand. You claimed to be a Muslim but your posts didnt portray you as a Muslim and I even think the best thing to do is to quit arguing with you because you argue without backing it up with Qyran or Hadith. Do you have it somewhere where he did that and it seems you didnt go through the link I supplied.


Come to think of it, aren't there exceptions? If you're to rescue a drowning woman from Bar Beach, say, wouldn't that necessitate lots of body contact? Or, would a decent human be daft enough to pass because of, er, body contact?? This, is absurd. This whole thing.

Actions would be judged according to intention. Even in Mecca, Women and Men do encounter body contacts.

In case you don't know, your mouth would not speak for you on that day. It would be locked:javascript:void(0);
Shocked

Quran 36 v 65: This day We shall seal up their mouths and their hands will speak to us and their legs will bear witness to what they used to earn.

T[b]hen, his body parts will be talking, and they will not hide anything of his deeds. Thereafter, he will rebuke them (body parts) for saying all they had said and witnessed. Their (body parts) reply will be[/b]:

Quran 41 v 21: , Allah has caused us to speak, and He created you the first time and to Him you are made to return.

You may still call the above verses lie as well just like you did to the Hadith. A muslim indeed cool
Re: Who Is A "true Muslim Man"? by babs787(m): 7:40pm On Oct 18, 2008
@Reindeer

Hmmmm.
voice of reason speaks
any responses?

Where is the voice of reason?
Re: Who Is A "true Muslim Man"? by babs787(m): 7:44pm On Oct 18, 2008
@Huxley


A true muslim is someone who has abdicted possession of all reasoning faculties and has become slave to an imaginary being
You still pretended that you still haven't arrived at the answer to the thread after what have been presented so far.

Come to think of it, is there anyway your allegations against Islam and Muslims have not been refuted in most threads?

If you think you could discuss Islam with me, providing same with facts, then set the ball rolling like you normally do in other section.
Re: Who Is A "true Muslim Man"? by huxley(m): 9:31pm On Oct 18, 2008
babs787:

@Huxley
You still pretended that you still haven't arrived at the answer to the thread after what have been presented so far.

Come to think of it, is there anyway your allegations against Islam and Muslims have not been refuted in most threads?

If you think you could discuss Islam with me, providing same with facts, then set the ball rolling like you normally do in other section.

Would love to. but as you know, it will not be allowed to carry on long on this section.

are you a rationalist?
Re: Who Is A "true Muslim Man"? by olabowale(m): 9:49pm On Oct 18, 2008
Rationalism is also a way, a path, a religion?
Whats this world not coming to! When human are declaring themselves as "god!"

Madness of the highest calibre. Same level we find rationalism,
atheism, Huxleyism!
Re: Who Is A "true Muslim Man"? by babs787(m): 11:03pm On Oct 18, 2008
U may start it first and we would see if it will worth deletion. I want you and to discuss islam just like you have been doing to christians and you would see that islam is the only religion that would save you and you should know that its a way of life
Re: Who Is A "true Muslim Man"? by PepERSprAY: 1:46am On Oct 22, 2008
babs787:

U may start it first and we would see if it will worth deletion. I want you and to discuss islam just like you have been doing to christians and you would see that islam is the only religion that would save you and you should know that its a way of life
undecided undecided undecided lipsrsealed
Re: Who Is A "true Muslim Man"? by Nimshi: 4:51am On Oct 22, 2008
babs787:

@Nimshi

I could remember that I asked you for your 'declaration of faith in one of the threads' in which you took to mean something else. I want to arrive at something hence my asking you and do you believe in Hadith NARRATED by Aisha (RA)?

You're failing to answer the important question of why I should make a declaration of my faith to you. It is quite a heap of hubris on your part to suppose that I'll take your request seriously. Who are you for me to make a declaration of faith for your benefit? Beyond discussions on this public board, you matter not in my world - and I suppose I should not matter in your world. You don't have the decency to see that you're demanding for something that's way beyond what any decent person should ask; you don't see it, and that's becomeing much less of a surprise anytime you repeat this asinine request.

I have been following your posts and none that makes you a MUSLIM. Your last post here is the worst of it all and make me think if you are a MUSLIM.

What is new abou this? Denying anyone who refuses to conform to your ideas as an outsider/outlier is a very old tactic. You've got a set rule sin your mind for a Muslim, you meet someone who doesn't fit it, ergo, he's not a Muslim. This is more than deception of the self, it speaks - you must forgive me - to an ineer lack of self-criticism that is needed to get one grounded. Is there a uniformity of beliefs in the house of Islam on every issue? You injure your credibility each time you attempt to malign, and especially one whom you know quite little about, including their views.

I even remembered your argument in support of Muta marriage after proving Hadiths going against it.

We have a difference in the understanding of Mut'a marriage. I don't deny you your position, although I am convinced you are wrong. Why do you seek to invalidate those views simply because you disagree with them? You mention Hadiths, yet, I have made Al Quran my reference, and have supported it with expositions from scholars from both and all sides. What more do you want? If you don't agree with someone, you don't force your view on them; you do what all reasonable people do, which is: appeal to reason, and persuade by some other means, not got out on a limb and expose yourself as a bigot.

Like I said, it would not cause anybody any harm if you would be honest to yourself.

It is foolishness to suggest I am dishonest as much as it is self-serving for you to hint you're honest. I'll stop there; but your attempts are quite ridiculous, and that's why they need to be ridiculed.

In another thread again, I read you claiming to be listening to a song by someone (a Nigerian female singer) and you asked Frizy to listen to it. You called her ASA. Is there anywhere you were told to listen to that kind of music?

Could you educate me on what is wrong with listening to Asa's delightful music. Have you? It isn't perfect music (I can, of course suggest improvements in the instrumentation, ) but it is excellent music. Have you listened to it? If not, then who are you to criticise sth you have not examined? Tell me, what is the problem with a faithful Muslim listening to Asa's music? Tell me exactly what the problem is, and tell exactly how that invalidates the Islamic Faith? Do you listen to music? If no, why not? If yes, which? And whatever your answers are, you take a stab at explaining your comments as quoted above.

Now, I will proceed to comment on the other part of your post.
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