“It is an indisputable fact that the old (Ramadan) moon will set just before sunset in Nigeria on Saturday, 26 th of July 2014. The new astronomic moon would be born few minutes before midnight of that Saturday.

“Consequently, the search for Shawwal moon is on Sunday 27th of July 2014. It can be sighted in Nigeria on SUNDAY with optical instruments or with some difficulties with naked eyes. Any claim of sighting a moon that is yet to be born is not only false, mistaken or impossible but also ridiculous.”

~Prof. Ishaq Oloyede.

http://m.premiumtimesng.com/news/165631-controversy-in-nigeria-over-sighting-of-new-moon-to-mark-end-of-ramadan.html?utm_source=&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=controversy-in-nigeria-over-sighting-of-new-moon-to-mark-end-of-ramadan

This man is simple a politician , right from his days at uniIlorin n NIREC never seeks for truth buh politicizing stuffs to wade his way

ok prof ishaq thanks but no thanks because I am celebrating eid-ul-fitr today as announced by the de facto Amir of Muslims in Nigeria.

spenca: This man is simple a politician , right from his days at uniIlorin n NIREC never seeks for truth buh politicizing stuffs to wade his way

Likewise the sultan of Sokoto. He's an Emir, a traditional ruler NEVER an Islamic ruler. And in Islam, there is no room for Monarchy.

However, Oloyede's declaration seem more right and sensible than that of the Emir, whom I guess, only use his "political power" to command millions of ignorant, less-informed muslims.

siddiq202: ok prof ishaq thanks but no thanks because I am celebrating eid-ul-fitr today as announced by the de facto Amir of Muslims in Nigeria.

Officially, prof Ishaq Oloyede is the Secretary to National muslim council (or whatever it is) of whom Emir is the president. So I expect a one house and not a divided house. This is where you should wake up that something is fishy.

Besides, Emir is just a political "Amir" of Nigerian muslim NEVER qualify to be the 'spiritual' Amir. Then note Islam never support monarchy.

Even when the moon was sighted for the beginning, it was impossible to sight.

There needs to be a review of how this is done in Nigeria. Only Nigeria and Yemen in the world sighted the moon at the beginning.

That said, once the moon is announced sighted, fasting ends. Eid starts. If a person lies, the blame is on him.

Otherwise, you will be causing fitna. Follow your local sightings and have Eid. That is the right thing.

And Allah knows best.

(Maclatunji- contribution needed)

tbaba1234: Even when the moon was sighted for the beginning, it was impossible to sight.

There needs to be a review of how this is done in Nigeria. Only Nigeria and Yemen in the world sighted the moon at the beginning.

That said, once the moon is announced sighted, fasting ends. Eid starts. If a person lies, the blame is on him.

Otherwise, you will be causing fitna. Follow your local sightings and have Eid. That is the right thing.

And Allah knows best.

Maclatunji.

Thats d philosophy my brother!

tbaba1234: Even when the moon was sighted for the beginning, it was impossible to sight.

There needs to be a review of how this is done in Nigeria. Only Nigeria and Yemen in the world sighted the moon at the beginning.

I agree with you on that. In fact, its a big shame that such a thing keep repeating itself nearly every year in Nigeria. Such is the confusion when politics dictate spiritual affair.

tbaba1234:
That said, once the moon is announced sighted, fasting ends. Eid starts. If a person lies, the blame is on him.

But the adab (as per Quran) is to verify whatever news "fasiq" spread around lest we cause fitna for ourselves.

The world today is too dimensional to just believe anybody especially a political figure for that matter.
I say the blame is not only on him but also on every individual.

tbaba1234:
Otherwise, you will be causing fitna. Follow your local sightings and have Eid. That is the right thing.

And Allah knows best.

Maclatunji.

So the so-called "local sighting" divide.

Sorry is tbaba = Maclatunji? Or you just quote him?

AlBaqir:



Sorry is tbaba = Maclatunji? Or you just quote him?

Just quoted so he can contribute

AlBaqir:

Officially, prof Ishaq Oloyede is the Secretary to National muslim council (or whatever it is) of whom Emir is the president. So I expect a one house and not a divided house. This is where you should wake up that something is fishy.

Besides, Emir is just a political "Amir" of Nigerian muslim NEVER qualify to be the 'spiritual' Amir. Then note Islam never support monarchy.

Sincerely, I don't want to argue anything. I just decided to go with the recognized Amir of Muslims here in Nigeria. If they lie about sighting the moon, they have a case to answer to Allah.

Eid mubarak

tbaba1234:

Just quoted so he can contribute

Okay bro.

Anyhow, its a free choice. We just need to be extra careful with our political leaders turned religious leaders.

To those who Feast today, Eid Mubarak.
To us who continue our fasting, Ramadan kareem.

May Allah wade off our shortcomings and see us as daeef to bestow His mercy.

Islam was neither given to prof oloyede nor any other islamic scholar but to the best of Mankind (S.A.W) in a perfected way. So whosever is a believe in Allah, Quran Ãήϑ His prophets should do the needful. The prophet never for once sights the moon all through his life.time Ãήϑ he never objected to his saabes who sighted then. Eid ul Mubaraq

Many don't want to go to Eid today for reasons best known to them, may Allah guide us. Please what will happen to those who start there fasting on sunday-28th 2day?

hazvat: Islam was neither given to prof oloyede nor any other islamic scholar but to the best of Mankind (S.A.W) in a perfected way. So whosever is a believe in Allah, Quran Ãήϑ His prophets should do the needful. The prophet never for once sights the moon all through his life.time Ãήϑ he never objected to his saabes who sighted then. Eid ul Mubaraq

@underlined, says who? When was Allah legislated Ramadan for the holy prophet (saws) and How many years of fasting did he partook in according to your source?

@Bolded, Qur'an cautioned the sincere Sahaba to be careful of taking news from the Munafiq among them lest they harm each other. Remember this munafiq also declare the kalimatain.

The Islamic state of affair today is more elaborate, modern and sophisticated than just ignorant "follow follow". We should be near accuracy now not confusion and a divided house on a spiritual matters.

How many times did Rosulullah(SAW) sighted moon by himself during his lifetime?

Is Sultan reporting to Oloyede or the way round?

tbaba1234: Even when the moon was sighted for the beginning, it was impossible to sight.

There needs to be a review of how this is done in Nigeria. Only Nigeria and Yemen in the world sighted the moon at the beginning.

That said, once the moon is announced sighted, fasting ends. Eid starts. If a person lies, the blame is on him.

Otherwise, you will be causing fitna. Follow your local sightings and have Eid. That is the right thing.

And Allah knows best.

(Maclatunji- contribution needed)

Actually, the Sultan would have lost credibility had the announcement not been made at the beginning of Ramadan because several people had reported local sightings even on Nairaland before the Sultan's office made the formal announcement.

The prophet never used this astronomical calculations, we will not get confused if we follow his Sunnah.

Eid mubarak

maclatunji:

Actually, the Sultan would have lost credibility had the announcement not been made at the beginning of Ramadan because several people had reported local sightings even on Nairaland before the Sultan's office made the formal announcement.

Likewise if Oloyede is right and Sultan is wrong, by virtue of his public lordship, I didn't expect him to come out and say he's wrong for he will equally lost credibility.

maclatunji:

The prophet never used this astronomical calculations, we will not get confused if we follow his Sunnah.

Eid mubarak

The holy prophet (saws) might not use the astronomical calculations because of certain obvious reasons but that doesn't make it a no-go area today. Quran talks atronomically in many noble verses on how day and night, rotations of moon and sun etc can be used to calculate months/year.

Besides, if we are really to follow the Sunnah of the holy prophet (saws), we are to commence and break only when moon is sighted with naked eyes within our locality. Nigeria is however too big to follow just one far remote northern village in sighting of the moon.

Alas the Islamic supreme council (whatever) and many muslim countries even uses aided tools to sight moon.

AlBaqir:

Likewise the sultan of Sokoto. He's an Emir, a traditional ruler NEVER an Islamic ruler. And in Islam, there is no room for Monarchy.

However, Oloyede's declaration seem more right and sensible than that of the Emir, whom I guess, only use his "political power" to command millions of ignorant, less-informed muslims.

How pls , is it just in Nigeria that today is Eid , can't see the wrong you talking about

spenca: This man is simple a politician , right from his days at uniIlorin n NIREC never seeks for truth buh politicizing stuffs to wade his way

people like you are simply hypocrite !

There is standard committee instituted to recommend moon sighting to the sultan of sokoto through the Secretary General and Ishaq called Sultan Four times tonight (as reported in the news) where sultan never mentioned sighting of the moon !!


What Sultan announced is not based on the recommendation of NSCIA's moon sighting committee !

So, why misrepresenting the person of Oloyede who is the Best VC unilorin ever had , go to Unilorin and see what this man turned the school into !

LATEST ON MOONSIGHTING (III) National
Moonsighting committe reported, that new moon
was born @ about 11:45 pm in Nigeria on saturday
(after Sultan announce his own moon) and it will
take several hours to be seen with naked eyes, even, it cannot be sighted in Africa today, except small possibility in South Africa. The case of given Clerical/Scholar task to the politicians is disgusting and need urgent attention in this country. It is ridiculous, unscientific and very wrong for anyone to announce end of Ramadan ahead of birth of new moon. Is our own sky different here, Is our own moon manufactured here in Nigeria. Find out how many country are celebrating end of Ramadan around the world? This is getting worst!!

donroxy: people like you are simply hypocrite !

There is standard committee instituted to recommend moon sighting to the sultan of sokoto through the Secretary General and Ishaq called Sultan Four times tonight (as reported in the news) where sultan never mentioned sighting of the moon !!


What Sultan announced is not based on the recommendation of NSCIA's moon sighting committee !

So, why misrepresenting the person of Oloyede who is the Best VC unilorin ever had , go to Unilorin and see what this man turned the school into !

For your information running uni ilorin is different from controlling the Muslim umar in Nigeria , calling the sultan four times doesn't mean the sultan had the info about the moon at hand when he called neither does the sultan report to ishaq ? Your type shouldn't ever quote me because you lack the ethos of a dialogue, so take your trash n everything that has been done in ilorin to your hole n float beneath it.

J

spenca:
For your information running uni ilorin is different from controlling the Muslim umar in Nigeria , calling the sultan four times doesn't mean the sultan had the info about the moon at hand when he called neither does the sultan report to ishaq ? Your type shouldn't ever quote me because you lack the ethos of a dialogue, so take your trash n everything that has been done in ilorin to your hole n float beneath it.

Your mouth is full of disgust for the person of Oloyede as if he has failed your life !!

He is the Sec Gen of NSCIA among other Moon Sighting Committee whom are approved by President General (sultan) to advice him regarding making announcements about New moon !!

Sultan shall report to Allah(swt) , also will Oloyede and U and I !!

Next time , you should learn the ettiquette of contributing to a thread especially the one involving a fellow muslim brother because if you don't , there will always be someone like me to clear your doubt without ''ethos'' !

Pls stop this now. Moonsighting or not has always been controversial for donkey yrs. Enough of back n fourth brouhaha. Let Ramadan reflects on you. I honestly dont understand ppl sometimes especial us. We lack manner on matters we disagree among ourselves. If Ramadan doesnt make positive impact on us, i wonder what will.

@donroxy, Brother, you just have to turn the other way sometimes when dialogue with some intruders. Take it cool and 4get him pls.

AlBaqir: @donroxy, Brother, you just have to turn the other way sometimes when dialogue with some intruders. Take it cool and 4get him pls.

Jazakallah khair !

Empiree: Pls stop this now. Moonsighting or not has always been controversial for donkey yrs. Enough of back n fourth brouhaha. Let Ramadan reflects on you. I honestly dont understand ppl sometimes especial us. We lack manner on matters we disagree among ourselves. If Ramadan doesnt make positive impact on us, i wonder what will.

Thanks !

@spenca, Assalaam' alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuhu !

The title of this thread is fallacious. People saw it in Nigeria and non-Muslims who have no vested interest agree that it could be sighted on the night of Saturday, July 26, 2014.

This is my source: check the date for new moon in July

http://www.moongiant.com/Full_Moon_New_Moon_Calendar.php

The Prof. did not do his research well.

maclatunji: The title of this thread is fallacious. People saw it in Nigeria and non-Muslims who have no vested interest agree that it could be sighted on the night of Saturday, July 26, 2014.

This is my source: check the date for new moon in July

http://www.moongiant.com/Full_Moon_New_Moon_Calendar.php

The Prof. did not do his research well.

The visibility of the moon in Nigeria is what matters not the birth.

This is a more useful link: http://www.moonsighting.com/visibility.html

See visibility of Friday 27 July (after sunset is next day), the day we saw our moon

It could only be seen in south America with Optical devices not the naked eye. The sunnah is naked eye.

In Nigeria, it is impossible.

Visibility Saturday 28 July:

See Nigeria

As you can see from the visibility maps, it is impossible to have seen the moon on Friday.

maclatunji case closed by tbaba1234.
E'id saeed brothers.

donroxy: Your mouth is full of disgust for the person of Oloyede as if he has failed your life !!

He is the Sec Gen of NSCIA among other Moon Sighting Committee whom are approved by President General (sultan) to advice him regarding making announcements about New moon !!

Sultan shall report to Allah(swt) , also will Oloyede and U and I !!

Next time , you should learn the ettiquette of contributing to a thread especially the one involving a fellow muslim brother because if you don't , there will always be someone like me to clear your doubt without ''ethos'' !

May Allah bless you for accepting the fact that ethos eludes your path of utterance and method of actions . May the mercies of Allah be upon us all . Salam brother