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Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Kay17: 10:37pm On Jul 31, 2014
pickabeau1:


Mr/Mrs/Ms Kay17

Everyone here has agreed that it had some benefits with the first and second waves. That is not in question

Socialism and Communism had its benefits

i am asking what is its purpose for d NOW?

In your belief, what were the goals of feminism in the past that are redundant today?
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by joomiegirl(f): 10:39pm On Jul 31, 2014
carefreewannabe:

And I know that you want your mugus to pay for you while you keep your money to yourself. grin

You are a smart woman wink

Bwahahaha... cheesy grin grin...see this woman oh! Seriously tickled..cheesy

No dear, I don't have "mugus." . Giving is both ways na...and you can't love without giving. I can get my partner gifts, just because.
A shirt, a palm slipper..doesn't have to be his birthday. Its just one of those things!


You said, concerning your choice of partner "The keyword here is choice, the choice I wouldn't have without feminism".
Nahh. Your making the choice of a partner you respect enough to let him have the last say, has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with feminism. Feminism wasn't what gave you that choice..every woman has that clear choice of whom she says "yes" to, amongst however many toasters or suitors.
Even the African cultural laws which relaxed enough to allow women do so; relaxed not because of feminism, but because of enlightenment brought about by education and all.

carefreewannabe:

Now answer my questions, please:
Do you believe women should have the right to vote?
Do you believe women should be paid the same salary as men doing the same work?
Do you believe women should have the right to be educated?

cheesy cheesy...e be like say you dey the feminist HR dept. Na recruitment questions be dis? grin

Seriously, though..I believe I answered the last 2 questions very clearly in a previous post. I work in naija. In a male-dominated field. I receive the same pay as male counterparts on same grade. Of course I believe in educating the girl-child...am I not one?

We already have the right to vote, as we should.
So what is the problem gan-gan, of the feminists? undecided
As of TODAY's WORLD, I sincerely believe its beyond wanting equality, as is claimed.
Today's developed world has moved beyond equality....
Now it seems its domination they want.

And that; is where they are meeting with resistance.

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Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by pickabeau1: 10:41pm On Jul 31, 2014
Kay17:

In your belief, what were the goals of feminism in the past that are redundant today?


With so much education and exposure

In my school, females were best grad students.. My boss for many years was a female .... my partner has all authority to act on my behalf in all issues..

So what is the issue... i ask again...

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Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by TV01(m): 10:41pm On Jul 31, 2014
carefreewannabe: The West lives in the post-feminist era. Women and girls in this part of the world enjoy what their grandmothers fought for.
If the West is "post-feminist", why does the West still have rampant feminism? And what is it's purpose? In an effort to be relevant it takes and makes issues of non-causes and perpetuates myths like the "pay gap" and about "domestic violence". Feminism creates conflict between the sexes and damages society

carefreewannabe: The st.upid girls you poted the pics of take every right they enjoy for granted but their grandmothers had to fight hard for them.
Progress made by women was handed to them by men - and in many cases, rightly so - just don't make it sound like women fought and single-handedly achieved the gains.

carefreewannabe: Women in Africa fight for something Western women were fighting for 50 years ago. Nobody in the West is talking about feminism anymore as much as Nigerians are. Like always, Africans are AT LEAST half a century behind. WAKE UP.
Why are you making it sound like feminism is no longer extant in the West? Especially when it's toxicity is deeply evidenced in society.

carefreewannabe: What the West will be concerned about in the next years will be the rights of fathers if Western men decide to stand up for their rights. This will only turn into a mass movement if they will feel the need to do so.
More partisan error. Men are concerned about civilization, about society, about our families. We don't go around shrieking about rights. We take responsibility, we bear burdens. And feminism will never let mens rights take centre stage as it will roll back all the deleterious and selfish gains they've made.

carefreewannabe:
Do not compare the West to Africa. Nigerians are AT BEST 50 years behind.
And with hope and time to avoid the mess in places like Scandinavia.


TV
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Nobody: 10:42pm On Jul 31, 2014
njokusboy: YOU JUST SAID YOU ARE DULL SINCE
YOUR PARTNERS JUDGEMENT IS ALWAYS
BETTER THAN YOURS... WHAT QUALIFIES
YOU TO COME HERE AND PREACH WHEN
YOU PERSONALLY DO NOT ARGUE WITH
YOUR OWN PARTNER... WHY TELL WOMEN
TO DO WHAT YOU DON'T... ARE YOU
IMPLYING THAT THEIR PARTNERS LACK
SOUND JUDGEMENT OR THAT YOURS IS
SMARTER.. WHY SHOULD WE EVEN TAKE
YOU SERIOUS ??
This got me chuckling



njokusboy:

SERIOUSLY, U DO HAVE AN IDEA, BUT THAT IS JUST WHAT IT IS... "AN IDEA"
C'est fini.
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Decryptor(m): 10:42pm On Jul 31, 2014
carefreewannabe:

The West lives in the post-feminist era. Women and girls in this part of the world enjoy what their grandmothers fought for. The st.upid girls you poted the pics of take every right they enjoy for granted but their grandmothers had to fight hard for them.

Women in Africa fight for something Western women were fighting for 50 years ago. Nobody in the West is talking about feminism anymore as much as Nigerians are. Like always, Africans are AT LEAST half a century behind. WAKE UP.

What the West will be concerned about in the next years will be the rights of fathers if Western men decide to stand up for their rights. This will only turn into a mass movement if they will feel the need to do so.

Do not compare the West to Africa. Nigerians are AT BEST 50 years behind.




You are the one who needs to wake up because you are comparing the typical Nigerian woman (except for a sensible few) who has been doing nothing but blindly copying the western woman who decided that they were tired of having to look up to a man for their basic social, financial and material needs and decided to lay it upon themselves to take on those responsibilities contrary to the Nigerian woman who cluelessly decides to join in and beat their chests about gender equality but yet depend on a man to buy everything for them from sanitary pads to pure water.

Women here like you are ranting for equality but yet, when their gen goes off, she calls a man to fix it and pay for the repairs, she would pester a guy to get her a laptop or tablet and for him to still pay for internet subscription while she sits her a*se down at home doing nothing just because HE IS THE MAN. With this, one can clearly state that if feminism got the western woman to a destination, it will never get the typical average Nigerian like you anywhere because you are in the same feminism boat but are rowing it backwards without a compass unlike the western women during their days. They (the western women) came about the ideology to empower them to work in the labour market like their male counterparts so they could be recognized in the society and pay their own bills without the help of a man but a blinded Nigerian woman is all for feminism in order to flex her muscles like a Wannabe-Beyonce and still ask a man to send her airtime for BIS and pay her school fees and house rent. HOW LAUGHABLE! grin

Like you wrongly postulated about paving the way for your grand daughters, I think it is more of paving a rocky track which leads to a forest with no hope of return whereas they would blame you for it in future.

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Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Kay17: 10:44pm On Jul 31, 2014
pickabeau1:


With so much education and exposure

In my school, females were best grad students.. My boss for many years was a female .... my partner has all authority to act on my behalf in all issues..

So what is the issue... i ask again...


But you didn't answer the question. You sidestepped it.
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Nobody: 10:44pm On Jul 31, 2014
pickabeau1: Please do - so we can thrash this issues out



people should be able to live their own lives to their fullest
You dont need feminism to stop stigma of single career ladies
With modernisation and education, this will stop

I feel that we do at the moment.

Things are changing

The DG of the Securities and Exchange Commission is a single. so many professionals in Nigeria who are single and living their lives
with time this will stop

Things are changing far too slow for my taste.

Of course there are single women living their lives but the society's mindset is still all wrong and consequently these women will have to face a lot of negativity and will repeatedly get hurt and pressured.




Slutshaming still exists in that same West.. you know right?
Guys will use and dump a ho
whether they call her names or not

Was I talking about sl.uts? Very interesting you use words such as sl.ut and ho immediately.

If slutshaming is made a crime today, does it mean guys will be forced to copulate with women they know or perceive as sluts
Guys dont want high mileage punnies... simple

Is it not hypocrtical to call women sl. uts and at the same time celebrate "bad boys"?

But again who was talking about "sl. uts"?




Similar to the post above... if u want to get to the top as a woman,... parenting is not for you

What about men? Should they drop their career ambitions if they want to be fathers?



Ownership of properties... this is an education issue and the suffering of widows due to the demise of the breadwinners is an eyeopener
There were traditional checks which are inadequate and failed
Women can own properties.this is guaranteed. im sure you have females in your circle who own properties, cars in naija. this is a human rights issue.

How many times do we hear and read of wives being threatened to be sent out of their HUSBAND'S house back to daddy?

How many times does it happen the other way round?

Go on please

Next examples:

It is normal for a man to cheat and even infect his wife with STDs but a big crime for a woman to do the same.

Men are polygamous and can live polygamous marriages but women can't.
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by pickabeau1: 10:45pm On Jul 31, 2014
joomiegirl:
Seriously, though..I believe I answered the last 2 questions very clearly in a previous post. I work in naija. In a male-dominated field. I receive the same pay as male counterparts on same grade. Of course I believe in educating the girl-child...am I not one?

Thanks for saying this
I always ask them to give one company that pays male and female differently for the same work and level

In Nigeria which is a developing nation.. not one example

yet they scream pay gap!

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Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Kay17: 10:47pm On Jul 31, 2014
Decryptor:

You are the one who needs to wake up because you are comparing the typical Nigerian woman (except for a sensible few) who has been doing nothing but blindly copying the western woman who decided that they were tired of having to look up to a man for their basic social, financial and material needs and decided to lay it upon themselves to take on those responsibilities contrary to the Nigerian woman who cluelessly decides to join in and beat their chests about gender equality but yet depend on a man to buy everything for them from sanitary pads to pure water.

Women here like you are ranting for equality but yet, when their gen goes off, she calls a man to fix it and pay for the repairs, she would pester a guy to get her a laptop or tablet and for him to still pay for internet subscription while she sits her a*se down at home doing nothing just because HE IS THE MAN. With this, one can clearly state that if feminism got the western woman to a destination, it will never get the typical average Nigerian like you anywhere because you are in the same feminism boat but are rowing it backwards without a compass unlike the western women during their days. They (the western women) came about the ideology to empower them to work in the labour market like their male counterparts so they could be recognized in the society and pay their own bills without the help of a man but a blinded Nigerian woman is all for feminism in order to flex her muscles like a Wannabe-Beyonce and still ask a man to send her airtime for BIS and pay her school fees and house rent. HOW LAUGHABLE! grin

Like you wrongly postulated about paving the way for your grand daughters, I think it is more of paving a rocky track which leads to a forest with no hope of return whereas they would blame you for it in future.

Those are the kind of women you are able to attract.
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Nobody: 10:48pm On Jul 31, 2014
Decryptor:

You are the one who needs to wake up because you are comparing the typical Nigerian woman (except for a sensible few) who has been doing nothing but blindly copying the western woman who decided that they were tired of having to look up to a man for their basic social, financial and material needs and decided to lay it upon themselves to take on those responsibilities contrary to the Nigerian woman who cluelessly decides to join in and beat their chests about gender equality but yet depend on a man to buy everything for them from sanitary pads to pure water.

Women here like you are ranting for equality but yet, when their gen goes off, she calls a man to fix it and pay for the repairs, she would pester a guy to get her a laptop or tablet and for him to still pay for internet subscription while she sits her a*se down at home doing nothing just because HE IS THE MAN. With this, one can clearly state that if feminism got the western woman to a destination, it will never get the typical average Nigerian like you anywhere because you are in the same feminism boat but are rowing it backwards without a compass unlike the western women during their days. They (the western women) came about the ideology to empower them to work in the labour market like their male counterparts so they could be recognized in the society and pay their own bills without the help of a man but a blinded Nigerian woman is all for feminism in order to flex her muscles like a Wannabe-Beyonce and still ask a man to send her airtime for BIS and pay her school fees and house rent. HOW LAUGHABLE! grin

Like you wrongly postulated about paving the way for your grand daughters, I think it is more of paving a rocky track which leads to a forest with no hope of return whereas they would blame you for it in future.

You have made excellent points in your post.

I can't stand the kind of women you described but I am definitely not one of them.
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by MrAnony1(m): 10:51pm On Jul 31, 2014
pickabeau1:



Let's discuss here

What's the definitions of a feminist and what is the difference between these two mind you

There are so many categories

Christian feminist
Pro-life feminist
Radical feminist
Islamic feminist


So many..just discuss on those two for now

The types of feminists you listed aren't in the same category we are discussing.

I have already answered your question here: https://www.nairaland.com/1835324/adichies-feminism-vacuums-fallacies-gonzaga/2#25110073

If you disagree, you are welcome to explain why you think that such a distinction either doesn't exist or is irrelevant.
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Nobody: 10:53pm On Jul 31, 2014
TV01:
If the West is "post-feminist", why does the West still have rampant feminism? And what is it's purpose? In an effort to be relevant it takes and makes issues of non-causes and perpetuates myths like the "pay gap" and about "domestic violence". Feminism creates conflict between the sexes and damages society


Progress made by women was handed to them by men - and in many cases, rightly so - just don't make it sound like women fought and single-handedly achieved the gains.


Why are you making it sound like feminism is no longer extant in the West? Especially when it's toxicity is deeply evidenced in society.


More partisan error. Men are concerned about civilization, about society, about our families. We don't go around shrieking about rights. We take responsibility, we bear burdens. And feminism will never let mens rights take centre stage as it will roll back all the deleterious and selfish gains they've made.


And with hope and time to avoid the mess in places like Scandinavia.


TV

I have told you this a million times, it is ridiculous to talk about the Western societies as damaged when one is from Nigeria.

Even some of the ghettos in Europe look better than middle class estates in Nigeria so don't you even go there.

Life expactancy slightly above 50 and you want to compare the West to Nigeria. Like seriously?
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by pickabeau1: 10:54pm On Jul 31, 2014
carefreewannabe:

I feel that we do at the moment.
Things are changing far too slow for my taste.
Of course there are single women living their lives but the society's mindset is still all wrong and consequently these women will have to face a lot of negativity and will repeatedly get hurt and pressured.


I agree with you.. this will balance out in a matter of time
And it is not due to feminism
Education and enlightenment
What biz of mine is it about a woman's life

If she is professional, minds her own biz.. she should be left alone



Was I talking about sl.uts? Very interesting you use words such as sl.ut and ho immediately.
Is it not hypocrtical to call women sl. uts and at the same time celebrate "bad boys"?
But again who was talking about "sl. uts"?


what you referred to is known as slutshaming
Let me define it for you

Slut-shaming, also known as slut-bashing, is the idea of shaming and/or attacking a woman or a girl for being sexual, having one or more sexual partners, acknowledging sexual feelings, and/or acting on sexual feelings. Furthermore, it’s “about the implication that if a woman has sex that traditional society disapproves of, she should feel guilty and inferior”
http://finallyfeminism101./2010/04/04/what-is-slut-shaming/



What about men? Should they drop their career ambitions if they want to be fathers?
How many times do we hear and read of wives being threatened to be sent out of their HUSBAND'S house back to daddy?
How many times does it happen the other way round?


Some men do but you have to keep it in context
This is still a traditional society where men have always been the providers
The dynamics of men taking career breaks to help in parenting will take time to shapen

I have colleagues who have taken career breaks (usually after 10-15 years of work to do this)


[/quote]
Next examples:

It is normal for a man to cheat and even infect his wife with STDs but a big crime for a woman to do the same.

Men are polygamous and can live polygamous marriages but women can't. [/quote]


It is not normal to infect ur wife with STIs.. who will take care of the kids when you both die. That is absurd

Polygamy is a traditional issue which we have all discussed at length..

The govermnment should protect the rights of women in a polygamous marriage

banning it is not the solution



PS- I have to do my nightly exercise.. i will respond when i get back
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by pickabeau1: 10:57pm On Jul 31, 2014
Kay17: But you didn't answer the question. You sidestepped it.

Ok.. for purposes of this discourse... assume i dont know.. then elucidate me on the issues... are u male or female?


Im having a good discourse with carefreewannabe.. who seems to be more responsive on the issues
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Nobody: 11:00pm On Jul 31, 2014
joomiegirl:

Bwahahaha... cheesy grin grin...see this woman oh! Seriously tickled..cheesy

No dear, I don't have "mugus." . Giving is both ways na...and you can't love without giving. I can get my partner gifts, just because.
A shirt, a palm slipper..doesn't have to be his birthday. Its just one of those things!


You said, concerning your choice of partner "The keyword here is choice, the choice I wouldn't have without feminism".
Nahh. Your making the choice of a partner you respect enough to let him have the last say, has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with feminism. Feminism wasn't what gave you that choice..every woman has that clear choice of whom she says "yes" to, amongst however many toasters or suitors.
Even the African cultural laws which relaxed enough to allow women do so; relaxed not because of feminism, but because of enlightenment brought about by education and all.



cheesy cheesy...e be like say you dey the feminist HR dept. Na recruitment questions be dis? grin

Seriously, though..I believe I answered the last 2 questions very clearly in a previous post. I work in naija. In a male-dominated field. I receive the same pay as male counterparts on same grade. Of course I believe in educating the girl-child...am I not one?

We already have the right to vote, as we should.
So what is the problem gan-gan, of the feminists? undecided
As of TODAY's WORLD, I sincerely believe its beyond wanting equality, as is claimed.
Today's developed world has moved beyond equality....
Now it seems its domination they want.

And that; is where they are meeting with resistance.

You are pro the right to vote for women, pro the education of the female child, pro same salaries for men and women in equal positions and you say you are not a feminist according to the following definition?

Feminism = the belief that women should have the same social, political and economic rights
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Kay17: 11:00pm On Jul 31, 2014
Kay17:
In your belief, what were the goals of feminism in the past that are redundant today?

@pickabeau1
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Decryptor(m): 11:01pm On Jul 31, 2014
carefreewannabe:

You have made excellent points in your post.

I can't stand the kind of women you described but I am definitely not one of them.


Good! So you see...you are definitely not one of them as you say which I do not doubt but how do you intend to lead a feminist crusade with a bunch of women that exhibit such traits that I mentioned as followers and adherents when they form almost 85% of the women population in the Nigerian Society? Wouldn't you rather take it upon yourself to change that statusquo and create a modification in that perception that for them as women to succeed, they need stand up and work for their way up to the ladder of success without being dependent on a man and relying on him as a meal ticket...only then will it be said that you have created an enabling environment for feminism and women empowerment to thrive. Cos like you said, you do not share that same trait but sadly, the Nigerian female population is filled with such category of women both in the high and low cadre of the society. Like they say, only a blind man can can be king in the land of the blind. You cannot put the cart before the horse.
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by TV01(m): 11:01pm On Jul 31, 2014
carefreewannabe:
Social issues such as the name calling of women who are not married and past 30.
Women have the right and opportunity to marry or not. That some believe - as I do - that marriage is central for both men and women and should be entered into mindful of biological imperatives, does not call for a "movement" to still dissenting beliefs

carefreewannabe:
Social issues such as the celebraion of "bad boys" but discrimination of women who are not ashamed of having a libido.
Why is the celebration of bad boys a social issue? Are they bad by themselves? And if they are bad, is the answer to enjoin women to be equally bad?

carefreewannabe:
Social and economic issues such as the conviction that a woman's primary role is motherhood.
Women are designed for motherhood. why is it wrong for men and or women to consider this a primary role? Why is it an issue if some believe this? Why must feminism eradicate different convictions?

carefreewannabe:
Economic issues such as the ownership of properties.
Where are women legally refused the right to inherit or own property?

carefreewannabe: I could go on and on.
Needlessly so. Feminism is causeless and the gains often attributed to it happened despite it, not because of it. Progress would always have been made in terms of equality. Fact. Feminism has just co-opted and claimed those gains, Now given it's head, it is clearly evident how destructive it is.


TV

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Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by MrAnony1(m): 11:05pm On Jul 31, 2014
Kay17:

In your belief, what were the goals of feminism in the past that are redundant today?
For starters women now have equal rights and opportunities in most western countries and also in Nigeria. Feminists today who campaign about such silly things as "ban bossy" and go on "slut walks" e.t.c are campaigning for unworthy causes.

The aims of feminism i.e. equal rights have been achieved for a majority of the western world.

You are welcome to refute the idea that equal rights have been achieved by naming one right men have in Nigeria or in the United States that women don't have
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Nobody: 11:07pm On Jul 31, 2014
pickabeau1:

I agree with you.. this will balance out in a matter of time
And it is not due to feminism
Education and enlightenment
What biz of mine is it about a woman's life

If she is professional, minds her own biz.. she should be left alone

Without feminism we would not have education and enlightenment of females.



what you referred to is known as slutshaming
Let me define it for you


http://finallyfeminism101./2010/04/04/what-is-slut-shaming/

Slut-bashing and the celebration of "bad boys" is unfair and unjust.




Some men do but you have to keep it in context
This is still a traditional society where men have always been the providers

Another reason why feminism is needed.

The dynamics of men taking career breaks to help in parenting will take time to shapen

I have colleagues who have taken career breaks (usually after 10-15 years of work to do this)

Cool.




It is not normal to infect ur wife with STIs.. who will take care of the kids when you both die. That is absurd

But it seems to be common sense that men are polygamous by nature and therefore cannot control themselves and so the wife has to forgive, pray and fast. This is Nigeria for women. Tell something like this a woman in a developed country and she will laugh and then slap you grin

Polygamy is a traditional issue which we have all discussed at length..

The govermnment should protect the rights of women in a polygamous marriage

banning it is not the solution

Why not protect polyandry and polygyny?



PS- I have to do my nightly exercise.. i will respond when i get back
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by coogar: 11:08pm On Jul 31, 2014
MrAnony1:
For starters women now have equal rights and opportunities in most western countries and also in Nigeria. Feminists today who campaign about such silly things as "ban bossy" and go on "slut walks" e.t.c are campaigning for unworthy causes.

The aims of feminism i.e. equal rights have been achieved for a majority of the western world.

no, it hasn't been achieved!
until men are forced to implant wombs in their tummies and carry babies for 9 months like women, the movement is just only starting.

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Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Dipwater(m): 11:09pm On Jul 31, 2014
cococandy: For the one that can't resist any thread with my moniker on it.
It's good and fine to call me names and insult me without provocation.

I hope you won't start yelping like a trapped hyena when and if I decide to give you just a quarter for each dollar you give wink wink

OP call your hound to order,so he doesn't give you a 'healthy' derailment on this your thread.


And like I said, maybe female gender suppression is not an issue
Since it is mostly but not only restricted to the north (the same north that is 60 percent of Nigeria). As long as we have a few places where women are given as much recognition and respect as men.then it'all good

'Healthy functioning brain indeed'


I'll ignore your dumbass$ for now.




Nne no disrespect ,abeg read the write up again.the writer wus talking about the ibo society on that part not the whole naija

I luv true and real feminist cus they make things easy for people like me.african feminist are big jokers ,they just copy without thinking.there is no such thing as adichie's own feminism ,feminism is feminism. Thank u
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by TV01(m): 11:10pm On Jul 31, 2014
carefreewannabe: I have told you this a million times, it is ridiculous to talk about the Western societies as damaged when one is from Nigeria.
Are they perfect in the West? Are the current aims and goals of feminism that drive a lot of Western policy beneficial?
- a culture of death through abortion and euthanasia
- falling birthrates; most Western nations are suffering indigenous population decline
- high and rocketing rates of divorce
- likewise for children born out of wedlock and the ensuing delinquency
- fractured and adversarial relationships between men and women


For every ill you can point out in Nigeria, I can point out an equivalent in the West. Material things are not the sole indicator of a society' well-being


TV

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Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by MrAnony1(m): 11:11pm On Jul 31, 2014
coogar:

no, it hasn't been achieved!
until men are forced to implant wombs in their tummies and carry babies for 9 months like women, the movement is just only starting.
Hahahahaha
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Nobody: 11:12pm On Jul 31, 2014
Decryptor:

Good! So you see...you are definitely not one of them as you say which I do not doubt but how do you intend to lead a feminist crusade with a bunch of women that exhibit such traits that I mentioned as followers and adherents when they form almost 85% of the women population in the Nigerian Society? Wouldn't you rather take it upon yourself to change that statusquo and create a modification in that perception that for them as women to succeed, they need stand up and work for their way up to the ladder of success without being dependent on a man and relying on him as a meal ticket...only then will it be said that you have created an enabling environment for feminism and women empowerment to thrive. Cos like you said, you do not share that same trait but sadly, the Nigerian female population is filled with such category of women both in the high and low cadre of the society. Like they say, only a blind man can can be king in the land of the blind. You cannot put the cart before the horse.

It is sad we have women like this. I have just been arguing with a woman who has an income but belives the man has to pay all the bills undecided

I weep for our daughters.

I am a feminist in the sense that women should have the same social, political and economic rights. I HAVE NOTICED that women are VERY OFTEN part of the problem and not the solution.

I do not hate men. I do not want to eat my cake and have it.
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by mappete(f): 11:12pm On Jul 31, 2014
Even though i feel Chimamanda's ideology is a bit extreme, her arguments have some validity to it. You have no right to assume that feminism isnt an issue in Nigeria or is only limited to the Northern parts if you've not actually been a victim. And if at all Chimamanda is speaking for the minority, what about that is so offensive to you? Aren't they humans as well? Or dont they have rights as well?

African men (both old and young i've found from experience) flock around and desire the best educated females as wives only to tell you after marriage that your education is only as good as the kitchen door or looking after the kids - if all u need is a home-keeper why not settle for the less educated who have less opportunity cost? Some are even "gracious" enough to suggest opening up a shop for you without considering the fact that not only males have dreams, females do to. Why take away my choice?

Have you ever been broke as a student with no idea of when your next allowance is coming? Do you recall that feeling of helplessness? Now think about living with that feeling for the rest of your life because thats what some women endure in this Nigeria. No allowance besides the general feeding expenditure and a husband conditioning getting you a new phone on your delivery of a male child - believe it or not, this is some people's reality. A life whereby one has to result to stealing from ones husband in order to afford recharge card. . .

I could go on but i'll just sum this up by saying - please keep it down if you dont have a solution to or dont recognise/understand the situation on ground and let those that do (like chimamanda) speak for the masses. Her opinions may be a bit far-fetched right now but they'll at least lay a foundation for more accurate solutions to the problem on ground (as is the case with all theories ever developed).
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Nobody: 11:14pm On Jul 31, 2014
TV01:
Are they perfect in the West? Are the current aims and goals of feminism that drive a lot of Western policy beneficial?
- a culture of death through abortion and euthanasia
- falling birthrates; most Western nations are suffering indigenous population decline
- high and rocketing rates of divorce
- likewise for children born out of wedlock and the ensuing delinquency
- fractured and adversarial relationships between men and women


For every ill you can point out in Nigeria, I can point out an equivalent in the West. Material things are not the sole indicator of a society' well-being


TV

Yet, no European will try to cross the ocean an risk his or her life to live in Africa. Not even a SINGLE European will risk his or her life to live in Nigeria.

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Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by TV01(m): 11:20pm On Jul 31, 2014
carefreewannabe: Yet, no European will try to cross the ocean an risk his or her life to live in Africa. Not even a SINGLE European will risk his or her life to live in Nigeria.

Economic migration does not attest to a superior social fabric. And feminism does not make superior economies. The OP talks about the singular lack of economic impact by women in Finland despite rampant feminism forcing the issue. And what have they "gained"? Fractured male/female relationships.


TV

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Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Dipwater(m): 11:22pm On Jul 31, 2014
damiso: I really would prefer not to get involved in all this feminism/submission debates, but i read the article and I feel the personal attacks on Adichie were not necessary.

While she made some points that could be valid why did she have to tie most of them to vacuums in Adichie's life? The way she kept on and on about Adichie not having 'class' just kinda spoiled it for me (her points could have still been made without the snide remarks) as we are entitled to our opinion.Made it seem like there was some kind of beef she has against the person of Adichie.

That said I also do not believe feminism is the solution to the issues we have in Africa.

I agree with u.the writer wus constructive but spoilt it with the personal attacks.
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by Nobody: 11:29pm On Jul 31, 2014
TV01:

Economic migration does not attest to a superior social fabric. And feminism does not make superior economies. The OP talks about the singular lack of economic impact by women in Finland despite rampant feminism forcing the issue. And what have they "gained" fractured male/female relationships.


TV


I can only guess the reasons why you must deceive yourself. Continue. It is not my business.

The day people from the West will want to live in Africa, will be the day, I will believe that TV's mindset is helpful to anyone.
Re: Adichie’s Feminism: Vacuums And Fallacies By A. Gonzaga by crackhaus: 11:39pm On Jul 31, 2014
carefreewannabe:

I feel that we do at the moment.



Things are changing far too slow for my taste.

Of course there are single women living their lives but the society's mindset is still all wrong and consequently these women will have to face a lot of negativity and will repeatedly get hurt and pressured.
This is not what you should be fighting for disguising it as equality. This problem is far more culturally related than it is about gender.




Was I talking about sl.uts? Very interesting you use words such as sl.ut and ho immediately.



Is it not hypocrtical to call women sl. uts and at the same time celebrate "bad boys"?

But again who was talking about "sl. uts"?
Deal with it, this here is not equality. You feminists want to compete on something so negative as promiscuity.
What does this tell you about the contemporary ideologies and motivations of feminism?






What about men? Should they drop their career ambitions if they want to be fathers?
Competition again with the male gender, this is not what the feminism you so hold dear is about.

I dey laff una.




How many times do we hear and read of wives being threatened to be sent out of their HUSBAND'S house back to daddy?

How many times does it happen the other way round?
The day women start going on their knees to ask the hand of men in marriage, pay the groom price, sponsor the entire marriage, and have the man come live with her under her own roof paid for in full with her own money...only then will it happen the other way around.

Keep calling competitiveness feminism. I dey laff una.


Next examples:

It is normal for a man to cheat and even infect his wife with STDs but a big crime for a woman to do the same.

Men are polygamous and can live polygamous marriages but women can't.
Competition not equality.
Funny how most of your examples fall under the promiscuity spectrum.

Is it in promiscuity the feminists want to have equal footing on?

You still haven't said something worthy regarding how women's rights are being trampled upon.

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