AkinEgba: On the contrary, how about the South and MB (south-compliant MB, of course) teaming up to chase the core North back to Niger?

Nnewi1stSon: I thought you were learned, but this post proved otherwise to me, tell me does the oil belong to the Muslims??

torkaka:
Quit deceiving yourselves and basking in self illusioned fantasies, the greatest disservice you can do to yourself is to think that western nations or some igbo generals will cushion the effects of the castrophe that will happen if Nigeria erupts!!
It is in your interest, and that of every other dreamer here that the country does not get to a point where it is in disarray. Even America does not fancy the thoughts of the largest muslim nation in Africa going haywire right now!!
I hope you are aware that Nigeria falls into ISIS 5 year plan, and nothing will give the jihadist more joy than a war breaking out in Nigeria.
Eastern Nigeria will turn to homs in a matter of days when war breaks out!

torkaka:

Does the oil wells ISIS has conered in iraq belong to them?

rigarmortis: You see, this is the reason i dont encourage mass sale of weed, i love weed like the average dude, i indulge from time to time, but sellers should be careful who they sell to, not everyone enjoys the high in peace.

Some take a few puffs and they come up with wild ideas, like mr OP, or they start to "reason ahead" like a particular poster here, some even turn into prophets of doom while others turn into seasoned and excellent military tacticians from their usual timid and humble sh1t eating grin faced nature.

I say no more indiscriminate selling of ganja in university premises......

No more

Nnewi1stSon: Dude stop talking about foregin conflicts cos it's obvious you have limited knowledge about their nature! ISIL is a sunni militant group, operating in a sunni area(Northern Iraq) it's like asking why MEND is fighting for the emancipation of the Niger delta. Stop making a fool of yourself here biko!

torkaka:

Quit deceiving yourselves and basking in self illusioned fantasies, the greatest disservice you can do to yourself is to think that western nations or some igbo generals will cushion the effects of the castrophe that will happen if Nigeria erupts!!

It is in your interest, and that of every other dreamer here that the country does not get to a point where it is in disarray. Even America does not fancy the thoughts of the largest muslim nation in Africa going haywire right now!!

I hope you are aware that Nigeria falls into ISIS 5 year plan, and nothing will give the jihadist more joy than a war breaking out in Nigeria.

Eastern Nigeria will turn to homs in a matter of days when war breaks out!

torkaka:
ISIS is an al qaeda splinter group that has declared an islamic state in parts of Syria and Iraq, it is the largest terrorist group right now and they are well equipped. It is the rallying group for most terrorst groups at the moment including boko haram who have acknowledged them.

torkaka:

ISIS is an al qaeda splinter group that has declared an islamic state in parts of Syria and Iraq, it is the largest terrorist group right now and they are well equipped. It is the rallying group for most terrorst groups at the moment including boko haram who have acknowledged them.

I fail to see any correlation between the balderdash you put up and your initial assertion! ISIL overran the Sunni parts of Syria and Iraq, whether they are terrorists or not isnt the issure here, can you elucidate to our understanding how the north intends to use ISIL to overrun the oil fields of southern Nigeria? Or did you make a stop at the local cider tavern in your neighbourhood before login in here?

IdomaLikita:

Dear Sir,
I share your Insecurities! For like you, I am a Middlebelter! I cringe at the Consequences of a Violent Break-Up and, I appreciate the Humanitarian Challenges awaiting us in event of such!
But the Essence of the Thread is to Discuss our Worst Fears in the Open so that people may hear them and ponder upon them!
But if u choose to behave like several other Middle-Belters I've interacted with who choose Blind Optimism over informed Pragmatism, then I'm afraid we are not making progress!
I feel the Pang too when I see a Higher Female Literacy Rate, Standard of Living, Life Expectancy, Low Maternal Mortality, etc few kilometers southwards, but hey! They earned it! If you're covered with Shit, the 1st thing you gotta do is take a Bath!

Konmight: I love this thread. I can't wait to pack my kaya and relocate back to Osun.

If war would solve the problem, so be it. We lost the chance in 1967, the mistake shall never repeat itself. I believe the MBelters have learnt their lessons. If the Hausa/Fulani could attack Igbos(their friends then), what's the assurance that they would not do worse to Yoruba(Awolowo's mistake) and middle belters(benue,plateau and others who supported them then). Once bitten twice shy. This time around, no baggarz(tinubu or whoever) can save them.

Dissolution of this forced marriage is the only available option.

It would be interesting. At least we would have the privilege to prove to people we are not cowards. We'd either fight to death and secure our region or lose and become slaves till Jesus come.

The mistake of 1967 must never repeat itself next year, one of the reasons why Jonathan MUST emerge victorious in the next year presidential election.

Say No To Forced Marriage.

Cheers.

IdomaLikita:

Dear Sir,
I share your Insecurities! For like you, I am a Middlebelter! I cringe at the Consequences of a Violent Break-Up and, I appreciate the Humanitarian Challenges awaiting us in event of such!
But the Essence of the Thread is to Discuss our Worst Fears in the Open so that people may hear them and ponder upon them!
But if u choose to behave like several other Middle-Belters I've interacted with who choose Blind Optimism over informed Pragmatism, then I'm afraid we are not making progress!
I feel the Pang too when I see a Higher Female Literacy Rate, Standard of Living, Life Expectancy, Low Maternal Mortality, etc few kilometers southwards, but hey! They earned it! If you're covered with Shit, the 1st thing you gotta do is take a Bath!

waternogetenemy:

ISIS? Wat is wrong with u? Have u no brain? U almost sound like ISIS is Mohammed and Allah... ISIS is a force of evil created and permitted by the western allies to give the Syria Asad regime hell and keep iraq destabilized until their objective in the middle east is satisfied.(oil and to protect Isreal)

There weapons were provided by Britain and America to fight in Syria. They are the Syrian rebels. They cannot get into Africa, they will be destroyed in the open by France. See Mali for example. Don't make me have to knock some sense into ur empty head again fool.

Nnewi1stSon: [s][/s] I fail to see any correlation between the balderdash you put up and your initial assertion! ISIL overran the Sunni parts of Syria and Iraq, whether they are terrorists or not isnt the issure here, can you elucidate to our understanding how the north intends to use ISIL to overrun the oil fields of southern Nigeria? Or did you make a stop at the local cider tavern in your neighbourhood before login in here?

torkaka:
Oh please don't even try to be intelligent, aint you the dude from the concrete wall fortification fame??
Blind optimism here is when one thinks a city like state (yes, that's in reference to the 5 eastern states) will churn out military defenses like isreal when faced with an attack based on military equipment and foreign help, all fantasized, as against the reality of a clear route from which the attack will come from.
When war breaks, it will not be biafra vs nigeria, it will be several nations angling for survival. Those that will survive are those who will know the strenghts of their enemies and the weakness of themselves. Clearly, you and the other loud mouths here don't know this. Alliances are formed, not because of military weakness but because of strategic location.
Fact is, western Nigeria is large, northern Nigeria is large. Attacking any of these places means overstretching yourself (for you will attack on many fronts), northerners are not as stupid as you think, they know this and they won't waste any resources coming through benue or Taraba which will give them hiccups on the way. Their battle will be against the city state called biafra.
Like I said earlier, the border between cameroon and benue will play and all important role during the conflict, it is not numbers or loud mouthing that win a war, but surely location plays a vital role!!
When and if the war starts, let it start before you start l.icking arsz

torkaka:

You must be a poor student of history to think western international support will favour the SW, SE and SS.

On the contrary, it is the support from the islamic jihadist that will ultimately count, recent events have shown that where ever the west steps in, those places head deeper into crisis and eventually fall to the islamist, Iraq, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Afghanistan come to mind!!

There's a new frontier in warfare now, quit playing the ostrich and get yourself in tune with evolving events around the world!

Nigeria has the largest muslim population in Africa, and I bet you, in the event of instability, the islamist will have a field day. What ISIS is presently doing in iraq and syria will look like child's play.

CAR as you mentioned has a small muslim population with not oil, Nigeria on the other hand, has lots of oil with a staggering muslim number!

WESTERN COUNTRIES WILL PLAY FROM AFAR!!

whatlyf: Only the insecure will create this kind of thread.


This was thÉ same analysis one bearded man from Nnewi made in 1966 and we all know the damages and resultant effect it has on his people. He was a Lt. Col and Military Gov as at then.


Instead of to concentrate on how to secure their own territory should in case of any disintegration, they are here worrying for others. Always crying more than the bereaved.


I didn't mention name o

Yujin: I surely will come back to this interesting thread when I'm chanced. But let me pen down some points to enable us analyse better.
My points are based on the core north being the aggressors.
What actually will be their target?
1. Access to the sea only? Yorubaland will be the likely route.
2. Access to oil and the sea? Igboland and the ND will be the likely route.
3. Arable and mineral rich lands? The MB will be their aim.
Point number 2 seems to be the most difficult for obvious reasons- more population and a viciously lethal enemy to face.
More to come.

IGBOSON1:

^^^You really need to go visit a shrink to get your fears in check! This is a tread with many sides arguing one way or the other, yet you zero in on Igbos!

You say you're Ijaw abi?

I've told you i know what your game plan is.....you and all the other alternate monikers you use! ALL ethnicities in the old Eastern Region will continue to move on with a commonality of purpose; and hopefully one day extricate ourselves from this 'mere geographical expression you shamelessly cling on to for whatever reason! This is what keeps you awake at night.....this is your fear innit?

Pathetic animal!

IdomaLikita: OP, God Bless You!
Since 2011, I have spent at least 30mins of every single Day thinking about this eventuality!
The MB will suffer Tremendously irrespective of any action she takes!
1st, the War will assume a Religious Dimension and the Persecution of Christian Minorities all over the Core-North will Lead to a Southward Migration of Huge Numbers of People leading to a Massive Humanitarian Crisis in so-called Safe Heavens like Benue, Kogi,Nassarawa,and Southern Taraba!
The Sheer Responsibility of Catering to these New Arrivals will surely Cripple whatever Coalition Government that may be in charge then(a good number of Middle beltan Elites would fly abroad and leave their people to their fate)!
2ndly, I expect the East to quickly shut its Border and concentrate its forces there(having learnt few lessons from the Civil War regarding "Father Christmas"! The west may or may not follow suit!
Then there'll be a Lull, with Negotiations going on and Humanitarian Corridors being negotiated, all the while, Starvation and Disease would be ravaging my people!
Lastly, the North would be expected to go on Full Offensive. Feeble Attempts would be made by the MB to resist! But in-fighting, lack of trust amongst the numerous tribes and greed for power will work to the North's advantage!
The East may only offer economic assistance and maybe, just maybe send some Weapons across, to ensure an effective Buffer zone between herself and the North!
The only Option left to the MB is to get weapons through the Camerounian Border, which will also teem with Refugees or a UN intervention (which ALWAYS comes when half the Population have been decimated)!

Either way, the Consequences would be Catastrophic for me people!

Kosovo, Darfur, Kashmir, etc come to mind!

God Help Us All.

IGBOSON1:

^^^You're welcome Bros! Though i think it's pertinent to point out that the country to emerge from the East will be a secular country with a strong Christian leaning and founded on Christian principles! Just for avoidance of doubt!

SamIkenna:

I've carefully read all your posts and it amazes that your permutation for Core North coming out on top should war break out in Nigeria is hinged on the collaboration and support of islamists from Middle East (i.e ISIS, Al qeada, etc). Even though it might not make sense to many average secular minded Nigerians that a section of Nigeria would align with terrorists to achieve a supposedly national or sectional goal, it actually makes sense to people like us who have studiously x-rayed the complexities of core northern polico-religious admixture. What you're saying is not mere bluffing, not at all. You're just stating your previously hushed but obvious strengths and strategies in a country beaming and brewing with secession and threat of war. You're being honest, and I wished your elder brothers - Junaids, Bugajes, and Angos would be magnanimous enough to bless us with such frankness on the reason for establishment and sustenance of Boko Haram, after all both Boko Haram and middle eastern terror groups share the same ideology.

However, just as in all crises situations, friends and allies are not limited to one side. Friends and allies help in times of crises to tip the edge to the 'chosen.' They tip the edge if actually the battle front is more or less a stalemate. If you're not at a point where the crises is neither going your way or your enemies way then allies may not help that much. Their participation at that point only help in deepening and extending the war with catastrophic consequences for the parties involved.

You've stated your strength in the event of a showdown which is: that you have a sealed brotherhood with terrorist cells in the middle east who're ready to join you in clearing out the South and appropriating Nigeria's current oil resource. So, consequent upon your stated goal I would like you to go back in time and appraise the feasibility of the core north 'clearing out' the East in the past civil war without the unalloyed support of the Middle Belt, South West, and Riverine South South. Now, 44 years after your premature triumphalism, do you think you still can garner such support to face East should war break out again? Perhaps you might comfort yourself and pretend the support over 250 ethnic groups gave Hausa-Fulani was inconsequential - that core north would have won anyway. But I think its imperative you take a load off and inquire from a wide breadth of Nigerians if your initial answer to my question is indeed accurate.

You see, no man with Igbo blood flowing in his arteries is in doubt in anyway shape or form of the outcome of a full fledged war between 'that tiny sitting duck Eastern city states' and your 'mighty and vast core north.' That tiny sitting duck city state, like you wrote, is somehow blessed with a heart and furry that'll make you tremble if you're to face her in a war of attrition with no friends. To be honest, I'm worried that if Nigeria goes down precipitously the Igbo I know might deliberately find an excuse to open up a front, commit genocide against your 'massive' region, and call it even. In the end we all can mouth off and jab any region anyhow under the protection of 'one Nigeria' but when that is gone.....hmm! it'll be an interesting show.

torkaka:

And if you have read me very well, you will understand that all I have been trying to do is look through the glasses of the supposed enemy!

War is not chest beating on your computer or phone, neither is the outcome ever in line with boardroon premutations, in as much as a tribe as small as angas can stop an invading army, so it is that an army as large as the 10million igbos(like someone said) fall within a day!!!

I gave scenarios of how things might happen as against some peoples straight line conclusions, that islamist will take advantage of an outbreak in Nigeria shouldn't be rocket science for any one with a brain in his head!!

As you measure your strenghts, try to also measure the strenght of your enemy and never rule out anything!!

Like you said, the north will not have a field day without the support of the MB, SW and SS. So it is the east will not stand ground for long without alliances from the rest, that's a fact!!

Proud people don't win wars, smart ones do!!

torkaka:

And if you have read me very well, you will understand that all I have been trying to do is look through the glasses of the supposed enemy!

War is not chest beating on your computer or phone, neither is the outcome ever in line with boardroon premutations, in as much as a tribe as small as angas can stop an invading army, so it is that an army as large as the 10million igbos(like someone said) fall within a day!!!

I gave scenarios of how things might happen as against some peoples straight line conclusions, that islamist will take advantage of an outbreak in Nigeria shouldn't be rocket science for any one with a brain in his head!!

As you measure your strenghts, try to also measure the strenght of your enemy and never rule out anything!!

Like you said, the north will not have a field day without the support of the MB, SW and SS. So it is the east will not stand ground for long without alliances from the rest, that's a fact!!

Proud people don't win wars, smart ones do!!

Francis5:

Why would the SS and SW support the North? Don't they love their own independence? In all your argument you measured the strength of the North but completely dismissed that of the SE. YOU ARE A BIG IGBO HATER.

IGBOSON1:

^^^You really need to go visit a shrink to get your fears in check! This is a tread with many sides arguing one way or the other, yet you zero in on Igbos!

You say you're Ijaw abi?

I've told you i know what your game plan is.....you and all the other alternate monikers you use! ALL ethnicities in the old Eastern Region will continue to move on with a commonality of purpose; and hopefully one day extricate ourselves from this 'mere geographical expression you shamelessly cling on to for whatever reason! This is what keeps you awake at night.....this is your fear innit?

Pathetic animal!