tooltip: Hello peeps I'm about to get. Non-naija used car( my 1st car) that will be reliable, and fairly good with fuel economy.

*im naturally predisposed to the manual tranny though, and I have heard ugly. Things about the 406 car, some people have even told me to budget 8-15k on monthly servicing

*i will be truthful, I think I'll want the 406,but. Can it serve as an everyday car without throwing up unforseen issues?
Please throw in your sincere views

Ikenna351:

8-15k monthly service? What for? Seeking information from wrong people is what kills success in life. Its like seeking an advice from someone who has failed JAMB several times on how to write and pass JAMB exam. Or someone who wants to start a transport business, seeking advice from one that failed in the business or have no knowledge on how to successfully run the business, rather than go to ABC and Peace Transport company managers to tap from their knowledge on the business.

There were months I have driven my Peugeot 406 V6 manual without spending a dime other than fueling. How much do you think I spend in fueling the Lion? A V6 for that matter?

I have been busy since morning and I need to take care of my stomach now, because nothing has visited it since morning. Lol! Anyway, will try and explain what you need to know about the Lion you are interesting when I am back. But you can visit Peugeot house and find all that you asked for there.

Ikenna

tooltip: the peugout boss! I await you while I read up!....thanks man!

Ikenna351:

Ok. I was so hungry that I overfed myself. Lol!

So, I need to rest before I can gather strength to type.

Speaking of Peugeot 406, I have actually treated a similar thread. Find below:

https://www.nairaland.com/1832246/camry-big-daddy-peuguot-406

If you have more questions to ask on Peugeot 406, fire on.

Ikenna

tooltip: hahaha!, where is all the food going to,biko.....its not showing, I guess we are alike in that aspect, I have 3 major questions about the 406 car, 1)which model year will be best to get,as I will be pre-ordering from europe, 01,02,03?, I understand it has to be a D9, EW10 engine from the other thread , should I also be scared of mileage above 170,000KM ?(2)please throw more light on routine maintainance and possible cost of major spares,( brake pad,oil type, oil filter,shocks,etc) I heard you mention something about it being pricey and sometimes scarce (3)reliability and fuel economy: car has to be a daily driver,long distance inclusive, can this beast take this on? (4)everywhere I go,I hear 406 electricals na die, please what electrical issues should I look out for or are likely/prone to occur and how can these be COST-EFFECTIVELY checked....lol, I just realized its not a car for the faint-hearted..... many of us are interested in peugout,because you care to talk about it...cheers!

sultaan: Which one will be stolen first among the 2?

sultaan: Which one will be stolen first among the 2?

Ikenna351:

1. Any D9 is ok, as long as it has BSI unit, because not all D9 have BSI. Some early D9 (1999-2000) don't have BSI unit. There is a way one can tell the ones that don't have. But all 2001-2010 have BSI. You need the BSI to enjoy the best security the unit offers. All EW engines (7, 10 & 12) are good, depending on how quicker you want your Lion to be. Mileage is unimportant for 406. How neatly it was used and religiously maintained should be your concern. Difference is that on one with high mileage, the bushings will be failing gradually. Also, if the Lion does not have log book, replace the timing belt immediately as soon as you get her. EW engine timing belt cost 7k (Gates). Check if the idlers and tensioner are ok when you bring out the belt. If ok, reuse them until you can source for them, probably online or outside Nigeria, since they are not available here (new ones). But stated in the EW & ES9 engine workshop manuals that these idlers and tensioners can be reused, as long as they are ok when checked, and they illustrated how to check them. But its ideal to change everything so that you won't go there for a very long time. The water pump is inclusive. The timing belt is to be renewed every 80,000 km or 6 years for EW engine. While for ES9 engine (V6), the renewal is 120,000 km or every 8 years. The V6 timing belt (Gates) cost about 13k.

2. Front brake brake pad cost between 2k - 15k, depending on your pocket and how genuine you want to go. For all petrol engines in 406, use the recommended oil : TOTAL Quartz 7000 (synthetic based) 15W-50 or TOTAL Quartz 9000 (fully synthetic) 5W-40. Oil filter brand is Purflux. We have N500 & 1k filter. 406 shock absorbers hardly fail. So that shouldn't bother you. Though the front ones in V6 fail often due to heavy weight of the engine. A tokunbo front shock absorber cost 5k with the spring. Rear ones hardly fail as well. Genuine new shocks are pricey, but available.

3. Peugeot cars are known for long distance animals. So 406 is not excluded. They are mile eaters. Fuel economy is fantastic. A full fuel tank (70 litres) will do over 700 km, if driven sensibly. Reliability? One of the best.

4. The electric is very good but will give you nightmares the moment you start abusing it, because its complex system, but simple when you understand it like I do now. To avoid the abuse, get a Diagbox (PP2000 & Citroën), a tool designed for troubleshooting and repairing PSA cars. It cost 25k now. If you are interested, I will link you to the seller. You either get the PP2000 or be ready to be paying for PP2000 session on the Lion whenever something goes wrong. If you take it where guess work or trial & error troubleshooting method is used, don't blame the Lion when your nightmare starts, blame yourself instead.

I helped a friend purchased a D9 in 2012. This guy travels every now and then with this Lion and use it as daily driver (only car). Yet, the last time he visited Abuja with the Lion, the only thing he said he has replaced so far were brake pads, battery and the regular engine oil renewal. This car came with over 140k km when I got her for him. I got mine 160k+ km. Now its 170k+ km. But I prefer using others for example, so that people don't think my D9 is reliable because I am technical. But people forget that if something fails, I will still have to replace it. So those parts don't fail as people lie about, what makes them unreliable then?

Finally, get a clean D9 and you are stuck in Lion brand. But abuse it, you will join the club of Lion haters.

Ikenna

gambus007:
@Ikenna i like your write up.please what can you say about Peugeot 307(2004) EW10 2.o manual gear? i do not know anything about Peugeot.am thinking of getting one car soonest.which of the Peugeot 307 is the best Year and engine?i dont like V6.am after cheap maintenance.with less electrical problem. i dont want to experience any electrical issues just like my chevrolet optra sold out anyway.atleast OP will benefit frm my question .Thank you.

derickivben:
Can I have your number? @Ikenna

Ikenna351:


EW10 engine is one of the best engines Peugeot ever produced, to the point that they mounted it on their Lions for more than a decade as they produce newer ones. Even the current brand Lion, 408, has the EW10 engine, though a revised one (EW10A+).

I would prefer an EW10 engine in 307 than TU engine, which most 307 come with.

Electricals of Lions depends on how you treat them. If you abuse your Lions electrical, it will deal with you mercilessly. Lions are not for those that lack good maintenance culture or those who dont value what they have. If you treat a Lion like a Queen, she will treat you like a King. No joke! My 2 Lions are V6 and I enjoy every minute i spend in them. Its hard sometimes to pick the one to use for a week. Each sets smiles on my face, each time i gear them into action. Simply put, they are Cars! With Attitude!

Meanwhile, you need the Peugeot starter pack/DVD to understand more about Lions and how to keep her in good shape when you finally get one. Find the link below:

https://www.nairaland.com/1942595/dvd-how-prevent-breakdown-expensive


Ikenna

AutosBay:
Personally, I'm not a fan of either brand. But if I had to make a choice, I'd pick the facelift Toyota Camry over a Peugeot 406, especially one that's got "gasket" issues. A blown headgasket could also mean a warped / cracked cylinder head, and a cracked block. No way to find out till it's all stripped down. And if you decide to call it a day at this stage, you'll still be stuck with labour charges.


Modern Peugeot are no more robust than the average modern Korean car. The last of the true bullet-proof Peugeot were the RWD 504, 505 and 604. The current crop of FWD cars are just a pale reminder of what strengths Peugeot possessed up to the mid-'80's.

Don't feel the seller may see you as doubting his integrity, if you're not sure there are other issues bar the head gasket. This is your money, and your sanity at stake here. Nigerians have sold out their friends and family for less, so big deal. I wouldn't touch that car, and I would definitely go for the Toyota Camry. Good luck, whatever you decide.

sultaan:
Which one will be stolen first among the 2?

Ikenna351:


Honestly, I cant make any sense from the above comment. Which post from Op mentioned the 406 he was interested in had "Head Gasket Issue"

About your comparison with modern Peugeots and Modern Korean cars? Seriously? Is that what "THEY"told you or what you "THINK"?

Ikenna