olire: U have not told us how the microbes affect us. U only stated it. "He who asserts must prove".

Joshthefirst: Lol.


Source of the studies please

plaetton:

As a medical student, you are a person who should be familiar with the world of microbiology.
Now, which of the statements above would you say is not part of what you learned in your studies?
Which sounds strange and untrue to you?

Is it that there 100 trillion microbes in the average human body?
Is that they outnumber our body cells by 10 to 1?
Is it that their Genetic materials outnumber ours by a factor of about 100?
Is it that gut microbial flora affect brain development, diseases and social behavior ?
Or is it that microbes have social lives?

The gut flora influences brain development and behavior, social behavior for that matter . They influence our body chemistry to satisfy their whims.
The domain of influence of these microbes on our lives include brain development, learning, unlearning, likes and dislikes, intimate preferences, risk tolerance, addictive and compulsive behaviors, our cultures, and of course, subsequently the rise and fall of civilizations.
Yup.

Joshthefirst:



Source for the quoted, especially the bolded.

macof: Oh! Plaeton

But then are you saying the human brain doesn't act by it's own will without the influence of these "microbes"

plaetton:

I am the source. The bolded is an extrapolation from facts that are widely known and accepted.

That gut microbial flora affects the body in general, and brain development in particular, is the abc of medical school.
So I don't know where you are coming from.

First, whatever influences your brain development influences your social behavior.
Your social behavior influences the choices that you make, not only as an individual, but as a group at the general level of society and civilization.

Secondly, there is nothing controversial or hotly debated about the biological facts presented. The information is widely available in the public domain, something that I thought a medical student should be well aware of.

There are tons of studies on this subject, most notably at Harvard.
I challenge to do your due diligence and come back with a rebuttal , if you can.

Joshthefirst: It is well known that the body has a connection with its natural microflora, and that the brain has developed an adaptive relationship with the microbes in the body, especially those in the gut, but your extrapolation is jumping hurdles.

Gut bacteria do not influence our bodies chemistry to satisfy their whims. That is a bold and idiotic lie I'm afraid.

They affect the expression of certain genes and they produce certain neurotransmitters for the bodie's benefit.

Lolz. 'They influence our bodies to satisfy their whims'. Lol. This man won't kill me before my time.



Edit: You turn it the other way round as if the normal microflora are behind our essense and conscious actions. You misunderstand(deliberately it seems). The brain has simply formed a 'beneficial' relationship with these organisms, relying on their products to run certain mental and psycho physical actions. Thats a simple way to put it. You turn things upside down in an effort to merge scientific findings with your nihilistic and shallow, self-degrading world view.

I can see some have already swallowed your nonsense hook, line and sinker.


All your 'extrapolations' are more like the ravings of a mad man.

Good day Sir.

plaetton:

Ok. So you Joshthefirst, a medical student, is here on record denying the scientific fact that the gut flora affects brain development, is associated with many diseases, and interferes with our body chemistry for their own benefit?

Please confirm if this is what you are denying.

Before I make you eat your own words, I advise you to quickly go back and read up on this and come back.

Don't let your foolish human ego obstruct your absorption of scientific facts.

I will give you some time.

Joshthefirst: I DENY THE BOLDED.

You are the one twisting scientific facts in this case.

basille:
To me, i don't think there's such a thing as absolute freewill (or atleast it can't be easily attained) for the common man, there's a lot of factors involved.

basille: [color=#000099]Was expecting an expatiation of freewill in relation to the Society ( a topic for another day), then again freewill in relation to microbiology of humans is more advanced.

plaetton: If we agree that the microbial flora make up more than 90% of our body cells, and that they are social creatures with social structures that resemble our own, then the important common sense question is :
Are they mimicking us or are we mimicking them ?

basille:
Logical, you can't mimick what is part of you. The variations in structures of the acclaimed "microbial flora" is what make up the social structure of humans. No one is mimicking each other, the microbial flora are the basic component that make up the social structure of humans.
P.S: i have no idea what or if the microbial flora makes up the body cell. This post is based on the assertion Are they mimicking us or are we mimicking them ?

plaetton:

This is not an opinion sir, these are concluded scientific facts. There are tons of written material on this subject.

Anything that affects your brain development and social behavior, invariably affect or even directs your life.

Rilwayne001: Yawnss

rationalmind:

Way over your head?

plaetton:

I am not twisting anything. i am just putting in simple language what is already scientifically known.

Ok. Lets make this simple.

Pls let me know which of these statements you disagree with.

1. You agree that gut flora affects brain development. Yes or NO ?
2. That gut flora is associated with many human diseases, including neurological diseases. Yes or No ?
3. That gut flora interferes with our our body chemistry. Yes or No ?
4. That gut flora manipulate our body chemistry for their own benefits. Yes or No?

Rilwayne001:

lol

First class "mu*u" thats your name ahahahah

rationalmind:

Allah will be very proud of you