Eragablessen:
Your points may be right...
But BH does not operate hiding themselves.
What we need is exactly what the op stated above.
This is no more about faceless people or secret agency issues oo..

Eragablessen:
Enlighten my intellegence bro.
How did you know about sambisa forest, Buhari and his cohorts...
Shekau and his residence.. This is how we continue to fold our hands ubtil BH dominates Nigeria...

MRbrownJAY: @OP
can someone tell me what will havinf fighter jets and tank would do against BH?! you dont fight terrorism in your own country with fighter jets and tanks, you fight it with intelligence on the ground, secret services that actually work so that you can infiltrate these cells and expose them.

MRbrownJAY: @OP
can someone tell me what will havinf fighter jets and tank would do against BH?! you dont fight terrorism in your own country with fighter jets and tanks, you fight it with intelligence on the ground, [b][/b]secret services that actually work so that you can infiltrate these cells and expose them.

MRbrownJAY:

if you can point out who all BH members are from the look on their faces then you may be right, but if you cant then you need proper intelligence........ unless you believe that all BH members are happily chilling in village where there is ONLY BH members present, and we can just bomb them out of this world with fighter jets and tanks.

Reptyle:
You mean not the type that wears mask and arrests opposition politicians at midnight or issues flippant statements on national tv?
Alas we are done for
That's the only type of secret service we have

Afroconnect:
Mr J are u ok?...or are you living in a fantasy world,these boko animals come out and engage the Nigerian troops,they attack barracks and our fire power is not enough to decimate them and theirs,only to hear they escape into the forests...these animals are not hiding and its mediocres like you-dumb heads probably with a little change that spits trash when conscious people are highlighting critical issues-dumb J,show me one country in the world that still uses the type of obsolete military equipments Nigeria uses.

Why is America still spending almost a trillion usd a year on military hardware,capabilities and intelligence.

We have DSS,even what these needs is high tech communications and survellance equipments-installation of cctvs across the cities and more.

Mere intelligence is not enough.
Intelligence and military are quite different,though they coordinate.

Eragablessen: Even with intelligence you can't avoid confrontations,you must have the
upper hand.
Mr Brown I will take it that you were sleeping when you quote me cos
your contribution quite naïve.

Please educate this guy who sits in his comfort zone abroad thinking we down here sleep with both eyes closed.

MRbrownJAY:

then money should be spent in training, but certainly not in machines made for WAR!



then let the army invest in proper guns and artillery but i DOUBT a jets and tanks would solve anything.



when your agenda is to invade foreign lands in order to control the world, and especially oil, then you need to spend more than you have on military hardware etc....... and subsequently put your country in the worst possible debts it could ever be in.



again, NO jets and tanks are needed here. CCTV is intelligence, duh!



i am telling you that Nigeria does NOT need to spend close to $35milla (per jets) or $8Milla (per tanks) to fight BH. simply buy better guns/machine guns/gears etc and that is all the artillery you would need. no bloody jets and tanks are needed. a AR15 or M16 machine gun cost $1500 top.

unless you can explain to us all why they would need jets and tanks for, i dont see the point of wasting so much money when the country cant even generate enough electricity for its citizen to 24hrs of light. let them get their priorities straight.

Eragablessen: Mr Brown J must either be residing abroad or he must have skipped his morning pills.

Afroconnect: Oga u have no point...the point remains we need better arms and ammunition-period.

MRbrownJAY:

again, there is a HUUUUUUUUGE difference between better guns that cost $1500 each OR protective gear that cost $500 each and planes that cost $35Milla or tanks that cost $8milla........ what you are saying is as clueless as saying that flying to the moon is the same as flying from Abuja to Lagos.

you want the gov to spend money it doesnt have (and that will better serve in other lacking areas) instead of acting RIGHT and spending the money properly to fight a BH that you CANT fight with jets and tanks!

@Emmatok
you are seeing this issue exactly like me....... imagine the overkill and the amount of casualties from the general public if they bomb the forest with jets and tanks. then they will simply call it collateral damage BS.

MRbrownJAY: @OP
can someone tell me what will "having fighter jets and tank" do against BH?! you dont fight terrorism in your own country with fighter jets and tanks, you fight it with intelligence on the ground, secret services that actually work so that you can infiltrate these cells and expose them.

MRbrownJAY:

again, there is a HUUUUUUUUGE difference between better guns that cost $1500 each OR protective gear that cost $500 each and planes that cost $35Milla or tanks that cost $8milla........ what you are saying is as clueless as saying that flying to the moon is the same as flying from Abuja to Lagos.

you want the gov to spend money it doesnt have (and that will better serve in other lacking areas) instead of acting RIGHT and spending the money properly to fight a BH that you CANT fight with jets and tanks!

Oga who told you Nigeria is lacking in money?
Its either you are part of the corrupt political class or you re not in Nigeria.

Even tbose in overseas countries who are not Nigerians know that corruption and public office stealing/waste pilfers away a larger portion Of our revenue.
Either you re living in a fantasy or you don't know who you are arguing with.
@Emmatok
you are seeing this issue exactly like me....... imagine the overkill and the amount of casualties from the general public if they bomb the forest with jets and tanks. then they will simply call it collateral damage BS.

MRbrownJAY:

again, there is a HUUUUUUUUGE difference between better guns that cost $1500 each OR protective gear that cost $500 each and planes that cost $35Milla or tanks that cost $8milla........ what you are saying is as clueless as saying that flying to the moon is the same as flying from Abuja to Lagos.

you want the gov to spend money it doesnt have (and that will better serve in other lacking areas) instead of acting RIGHT and spending the money properly to fight a BH that you CANT fight with jets and tanks!

@Emmatok
you are seeing this issue exactly like me....... imagine the overkill and the amount of casualties from the general public if they bomb the forest with jets and tanks. then they will simply call it collateral damage BS.

Afroconnect:
Oga what re u saying all the money being made are they not being shared by these corrupt politicians,is it not good we use them to purchase better weapons and armoury.

Countries aquiring them are theyy fools.

Corruption is what is depleting our resources its better we utilise thse monies to fight an effective war...or is it because u re resting in ur home peacefully?

dBard:
While acceding to ur intelligence point, u should 've noticed dat boko haram is now tending towards holding territory as against their earlier m.o. Also, they're a v.mobile group, so yes, d purchase of bigger, better and more accurate firepower is needed. The bigger the gun, the better the outcome.
Also, air supremacy cannot b overemphasised..d coverage, range etc gives u an overwhelming edge.
Am not military, but it is clear, We aren't serious about this boko haram issue n d gov't nids t make hay asap.

MRbrownJAY:

the people YOU have elected in power need to share the loot with one another......lol, there will be nothing left when they are done with the budget, and if there is anything left, then building power plant is MORE IMPORTANT than buying jets and tanks that are obsolete against BH.



countries who do are either at war with other countries, fearing war against other countries or HAVE THE FUNDS FOR IT! Nigeria have meither of the 3 mentionned.



then you r problem is not BH, it is corruption then.......... and either you wont get the money to buy or fix anything.



how does air supremacy works in a forest?! how is that helping?
the Gov might not be serious on the issues, yes, but that certainly does not mean that it should buy a fleet of planes at a cost of $35milla each and tank equally expensive.

1st we need to figure what is the problem, and then 2nd find proper solutions that we can sustain. there is no point in spending gazillions on buying planes if A) it doesnt solve the problem, B) the problem returns when we cannot continue care for these planes or C) it kills thousands of innocent people in the same process (imagine one of the collateral damage was your close family member).

it took 10+ yrs for the US and its mighty army to finally catch up with Osama, and guess what? al qaeda is still bombing innocent people left right and center. so if this is the type of solution you guys are looking for then let us all stop fooling ourselves and let these bastard politicians continue chop the money and buy mansions in the Dubai (since you guys believe that bringing 24hr electricity to all Nigerians is LESS important than buying jets and tanks) .

[quote author=dBard]I get ur argument but ur missing several points ;
1) Boko haram is no longer faceless as ur assuming. They are organized n taking a more conventional form than before.

2) Bokoharam is beginning to Hold territory. which buttresses my first point

3) air supremacy works everywhere. .it all depends on d Role air support is called in for. it's not like dey need t See d insurgents, coordinates are given n bombs dropped

4) Jets donot all refer to high speed, high powered aero machines like d f16s of old, dre are newer jets now, more adapted to COIN ops such as these. foe e.g..d much touted Tuscano jet, n dse are game changers n are Needed.

MRbrownJAY: at last, someone who is bringing some valid intelligent points to this discussion...... now, let us see:

MRbrownJAY: ^^^^the price of that plane is supposedly $9-14 Million...... thats will be much more than the military drone i mentioned above that cost a mere $4-5Millions.