Billyonaire: In absolute truism, there is no good and evil. Everything works towards singularity. Think about earthquake, for victims of the cataclysmic natural tectonic re-alignment it is evil, but within the cosmic creativity, its core goal is to alignment of the san adreas fault, a sequence that can only make the planet better.

So in essence, Cosmic Infinity codenamed God by religion is neutrality. Both good and bad is of same source. That source is what you call God....2 sides of the same coin.

finofaya:

If you don't know the answer, just say so. Or try to make an informed guess.

Logic is used on God all the time. How do you convince yourself that there is God? You probably tell yourself that life is too complex to not be designed or that we must have been caused by a superior being. These involve application of logic. Without such rationalizations, you would have no reason to prefer God to a spanner. So it is not correct to say that using logic on God never works out well.

Besides, how do you explain your preference for a particular religion over another? All religions give their Gods various, usually differing properties. Without using logic to discriminate between what properties God should or should not have, you would be left with no option but to believe in every God. Or arbitrarily choose one.

All I'm trying to do is determine the properties of God.

chrisviral: I think your number 2 points said it all.
Without evil, there will be no good, for something can only be good in relation to another!
We can say an aeroplane is the fastest means of transportation because we are comparing it in relation to cars, animals and foot...

So God is the creator of both Evil and Good.
God even has an evil spirit (or created them, something like that)
1sam 16:14
Now the Spirit of the LORD had left Saul, and the LORD sent a tormenting spirit that filled him with depression and fear.

Another translation said
Now the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD terrorized him.

So I also want to believe that when God was creating Devil, he knew that devil will rebel, for without Devil tormenting us, I don't think we as humans would have sought for God the way we are doing today, Devil was created for a purpose.
Again in Jesus situation, note that he knew Judas was going to betray him but he never said a word, why that the purpose of his coming would be fulfilled.
So yeah God created both evil and good.
Is 45:7
I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.

Last bullet:
Is 45:11

"This is what the LORD says-- the Holy One of Israel, and its Maker: Concerning things to come, do you question me about my children, or give me orders about the work of my hands?

So in other words whether Bad or Evil, never question God!

Amadaz: superb write up. But somewhere in the bible reads that far be it from God that any evil comes Him. The bible is hard to understand

Infomizer:

So, as a father, you can burn your child eternally, so as to correct him, yeah?

finofaya: I've been wondering what is meant by a good God.




God is good.

Okay.

The problem here is that "good" is meaningless without "evil". In order for good to exist, evil must exist, since a thing can only be good in relation to another thing.

Christians will say that God is good and man introduced evil after the fall. Or perhaps it was the fall of Lucifer that introduced evil. Either way, what it means is that God became good at the point of the introduction of evil. Before then, he was good in relation to what? Nothing. So he could not have been good.

In order for God to be good from the on set, there must have been evil somewhere, from the on set. There are four ways this could have played out:

1. God is neither good nor evil, he just is. In this case, good and evil only have meaning because we say they do. What we mean when we say something is good or evil is that we approve or do not approve of it. Nothing is objectively good or evil.

2. Assuming that one thing can be both at the same time, God is both good and evil. Good and evil exist objectively, and they are both embodied in God.

3. Assuming that nothing can be both at the same time, God is good, while another entity exists which is evil. This entity would be similar to God, (eg if God has a good personality, it would have an evil personality) in order to be the antithesis of God. Thus it should be sentient. Here, God is not responsible for the evil being. Instead something higher than both God and the evil being is responsible for both of them.

4. Still assuming that nothing can be both at the same time, God is evil, while another entity exists which is good. And something else is responsible for both of them.

Which one is obtainable? I have no idea. I could even be entirely wrong.

Any ideas?

macof:

God doesn't feel "happiness" or anger

There's always a balanced and fair reward for every act.

macof:

Traits from father to son is not like Consciousness of God in man

This is a whole different ball game.

God itself is a body of consciousness, that manifest into human life among others

justi4jesu: GOD is GOOD

ifeness: If God does really exist, he is a big time fool for creating the devil. He is a manipulator and worse than a tyrant. He should be stoned to death and burnt to ashes.

Unfortunately such an entity only exists in a Christianised mind

kadas01: The Truth is very simple but man has chose to complicate It!


TRUTH IS: The "Immeasurable Goodness" of GOD ALMIGHTY brought "everything created" into "being"!


And "THE ALMIGHTY CREATOR" Said....."Let There Be Light"!!!.......


The above testifies that THE GREAT CREATOR OF HEAVEN AND EARTH "does not and would never know evil"!! There is "nothing" like "evil" existing around "THE ALMIGHTY HIMSELF"!


HE is, and remains "Goodness" Personified!


Shalom!

shigoslim: @OP God created both Good and Evil.

Evil can only befall man if disobey the will of GOD, this evil is created by God to punish man for his disobedience .

Good can only befall man when he start keeping, obeying the will of GOD , is then man will realize that GOD is good.

Evil befall king Nebunezacky and turn to animal eating plant for good seven days because he disobey the will of God. In other words the picture is clearly shown that God create both and good and bad (evil) for man to justify that God exit, and to keep his will. Though man is band by flesh, but God gave us sufficient grace that is Jesus Christ.



I will relate it to preaching of BIBLE, did your know that evil befall the Israelites when they disobey God, but were later relief when they came to GOD.

chrisviral:

Doctrine! You are actually against Doctrine and not God, for some one to hate God is the same as you hating yourself...

Don't you know "For ye are gods"
Denying God existence is like denying yourself, waiting for God to come and drive Ebola away and heal liberia and Nigeria is really funny to me, Infact it should be funny to any christian who understands God.

Did you know that in the bible, Jesus fled twice from danger?
Did you know that God had the power to fight for the Isrealite and David, but No he asked them to fight on their own?
Did you know that God could have made Joseph prime minister of Egypt but yet he allowed him to pass through slavery and other trouble before he got there?

If God prevented Ebola, how would me and you know that there is Ebola? How would me and you know that God actually stopped Ebola? Certain circumstances must prevail for God's power to be felt.

Shalom.

GodMode:

God and satan are imaginations of humans. They don't exist.

There is a creator who created good and evil and gives living and non living things freewill. The creator created everything to live to die.

chrisviral:

Doctrine! You are actually against Doctrine and not God, for some one to hate God is the same as you hating yourself...

Don't you know "For ye are gods"
Denying God existence is like denying yourself, waiting for God to come and drive Ebola away and heal liberia and Nigeria is really funny to me, Infact it should be funny to any christian who understands God.

Did you know that in the bible, Jesus fled twice from danger?
Did you know that God had the power to fight for the Isrealite and David, but No he asked them to fight on their own?
Did you know that God could have made Joseph prime minister of Egypt but yet he allowed him to pass through slavery and other trouble before he got there?

If God prevented Ebola, how would me and you know that there is Ebola? How would me and you know that God actually stopped Ebola? Certain circumstances must prevail for God's power to be felt.

Shalom.

Infomizer:


Apart from the fact that you didn't answer my question, you just lent credence to my stance on this issue. God, as described by you in the post, is an entity designed out of man's imagination. You think, he thinks. You plan, he plans, as well as possesses many other similar attributes though taken to superhuman proportions. That, my friend, is my point.

ifeness:


Lol so I'm a GOD yeah? So why do you do you worship another god if you are a God yourself? You do not make sense at all!!!