I came to a realization which kind of stunned
me. It's obvious once you lay it down, but it
shows that atheists and theists are taking part
in the same tug-of-war, but for different
reasons.
Theists are frequently trying to "save" atheists
from the eternal punishments which await them
for their lack of faith.
What I realized is that atheists are trying to save
theists also. (I mean this in a general sense, I'm
not saying every atheist has the same
motivations, but I hope this would make sense
as an overall description.) We want to save
them from the shackles which control them. We
want them to take ownership of their own rules
and morals, and stop having them dictated to
them by those who presume to speak for god.
We want them to realize that it's up to us. If we
want the world to be a better place, than we
have to do it. It's not going to magically happen
on its own.
And further than this, we want to free society.
We want to stop the endless conflict religion
causes, both on a small scale, and much larger
ones such as wars. It seems to me that a
primitive society might "need" religion to help it
become in some way civilized, to give the
people some way of coming together. Some guy
can't just stand up in the middle and say, "Right,
I've just come up with these rules which you
have to live by". It's much more compelling to
say, "God just gave me these rules you must
live by." Until most people start living by
sensible rules, you can have no civilization, and
maybe that's the only way it could get going. But
we now have civilization, and it's clear that our
rules are so far removed from those laid down
in any religion as to make such
"commandments" irrelevant. And science has
shown us that primitive guesswork about the
nature and origin of the universe is non-
productive and unnecessary.
So we have this tug of war, both side feeling that
their side is the true way, and which will lead to
a better world for everyone. But atheism isn't
trying to just trying to prove a point about who is
right, it's trying to rescue the enslaved. We want
to stop future generations being born into this
slavery also, and to free society from the unfair
power religion holds.

Atheism, another strategy by the devil to raise its army against God. Well all I know is that darkness will never prevail over Light.

By the way why is this under religion thread, I thought you guys did not believe in religion, so if you did not believe in religion you(Atheism) can never be a religion right? then what are you? you seems clueless to me.

technophile: Atheism, another strategy by the devil to raise its army against God. Well all I know is that darkness will never prevail over Light.

By the way why is this under religion thread, I thought you guys did not believe in religion, so if you did not believe in religion you(Atheism) can never be a religion right? then what are you? you seems clueless to me.

Abeg clear make beta people talk!

technophile: Atheism, another strategy by the devil to raise its army against God. Well all I know is that darkness will never prevail over Light.

By the way why is this under religion thread, I thought you guys did not believe in religion, so if you did not believe in religion you(Atheism) can never be a religion right? then what are you? you seems clueless to me.

Touche!

Zikdik: I came to a realization which kind of stunned
me. It's obvious once you lay it down, but it
shows that atheists and theists are taking part
in the same tug-of-war, but for different
reasons.
Theists are frequently trying to "save" atheists
from the eternal punishments which await them
for their lack of faith.
What I realized is that atheists are trying to save
theists also. (I mean this in a general sense, I'm
not saying every atheist has the same
motivations, but I hope this would make sense
as an overall description.) We want to save
them from the shackles which control them. We
want them to take ownership of their own rules
and morals, and stop having them dictated to
them by those who presume to speak for god.
We want them to realize that it's up to us. If we
want the world to be a better place, than we
have to do it. It's not going to magically happen
on its own.
And further than this, we want to free society.
We want to stop the endless conflict religion
causes, both on a small scale, and much larger
ones such as wars. It seems to me that a
primitive society might "need" religion to help it
become in some way civilized, to give the
people some way of coming together. Some guy
can't just stand up in the middle and say, "Right,
I've just come up with these rules which you
have to live by". It's much more compelling to
say, "God just gave me these rules you must
live by." Until most people start living by
sensible rules, you can have no civilization, and
maybe that's the only way it could get going. But
we now have civilization, and it's clear that our
rules are so far removed from those laid down
in any religion as to make such
"commandments" irrelevant. And science has
shown us that primitive guesswork about the
nature and origin of the universe is non-
productive and unnecessary.
So we have this tug of war, both side feeling that
their side is the true way, and which will lead to
a better world for everyone. But atheism isn't
trying to just trying to prove a point about who is
right, it's trying to rescue the enslaved. We want
to stop future generations being born into this
slavery also, and to free society from the unfair
power religion holds.

yes I bought your idea, 75% of the worldy problems ranging from inter-ethnic crisis, war, increase in death rate, impoverishmemet and all other societal set backs rooted high in religion. How good shall be the world without religion ......is unmeasurable!.