TheBigUrban2:




Paganism, Obasanjo, Awolowo, bronze art etc were all in the region before the creation of Nigeria. I suppose we shouldnt ask what their contribution to Nigeria has been?


I am a certified mental patient
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to the gutter, smalljungle2

i wonder why the certified psychos on nl delight in calling others psycho, as if that will somehow hide their glaring mental imbalances.


Is Islam a person?

As for paganism, of course you are quite able to ask what its contributions have been, isnt your keyboard right in front of you?


and no, your question doesnt make sense AT ALL.

if you take time out to think about it, you'll realize its actually quite d.aft.

itstpia1:



i wonder why the certified psychos on nl delight in calling others psycho, as if that will somehow hide their glaring mental imbalances.


Is Islam a person?

As for paganism, of course you are quite able to ask what its contributions have been, isnt your keyboard right in front of you?


and no, your question doesnt make sense AT ALL.

if you take time out to think about it, you'll realize its actually quite d.aft.

<<<<<<<

To the left

TheBigUrban2:



All the points you have mentioned are negative contributions!!

Why won't those points be 'negative' to you when your sole intent was to make mockery of Islam and muslim. I bet you are not from the north so how would you feel the impact of Islamic contribution to their socio-economic development.

TheBigUrban2:
1) Islam-Arabic Influence
Destruction of our culture. We already have local words for all those words examples you gave

TheBigUrban2:
2) Islam - a unifying force
False- before islam was a unified but diversified paganism.

Which culture are you talking about? Nigeria never had a unifying culture as a Nation. Yoruba culture is quite different from Hausa, Igbo etc Igbo culture is far away from Hausa etc. Even within each tribe as a whole, there exist sub-cultural practices making Igbomina for example distinct from Ijebus. Hausa as a whole also has different sub-tribes and locals with different norms and folklores.

Islam unify all on one umberella with same Islamic practice, code of law and same language of Arabic.

As per 'words'. Kindly tell us for example:

1. What is Yoruba word for Onions?
2. What is Yoruba word for Hours?
3. What is Yoruba word for Secret?

I bet your fore-fathers and parents if they are Yorubas will ever prefer to use the word "Ojo Jimoh" (day of togetherness or congregation) instead of "Ojo Eti" (day of Failure, laziness, abandonment).

TheBigUrban2:
Before islam, the whole north was already pagan (although there were different pagan religions)

Even today, there are christians and pagans still in the north.

Thanks to Islamic ideology for changing the Paganistic perception of the north to that of Monotheism and rationality. The false beliefs, taboos, rituals with human sacrifice etc were abolished with the coming of Islam. Worship of trees, rivers, dead, stones etc were also abolished with the coming of Islam.

Yes there are still Christian and pagan in the north but of how many % to the total population of muslim?

TheBigUrban2:
3)Contribution To Nigerian Education System
Yes, islam has contributed Quranic education. The only advantage is that it allows Nigerians to learn Arabic and assist in travelling to Arabic countries

TheBigUrban2:
This comes with many drawbacks- many northerners then have their English language suffer as a result. It also competes sometimes with their formal education. Many Islamic schools globally have come under fire because some are centres for indoctrination and hate.

It is not written in any law that understanding English language is a sole ticket to Education and Civilization. Your colonial masters with their guns forcefully halted and distrupted the once peaceful, orderly, civilized, educated 18-19th century North, and imposed their own ideology, language and form of education.

Interestingly, even these Colonial masters were impressed with the form of Islamic government of the north with orderliness, unity, Islamic education etc thereby they cannot help it than to leave the system as it was but introduced their own side by side. But they assumed the rulership.

This was not the case in the East and west. As a result, our fore-fathers became slaves.

TheBigUrban2:
Many Islamic schools globally have come under fire because some are centres for indoctrination and hate.

That is now human (muslim) interpretation which is distinct from Islam as a religion. The same teaching of Islam that A uses to start hatred and violence is one B will use to fight injustice and evil thereby promoting peace. Besides, Islam since 1600 years ago value literacy and education. The first verses to be revealed in the Quran is all about read and write. Where were your colonial mental ideologies then? Non-exist!

TheBigUrban2:
4) Islamic Banking System
I hardly see how bringing a vastly inferior form of banking as a positive.

Inferior? Even David Cameron will reveal to you the contribution of Islamic Banking to the development of British Economy not to mention Arab and other countries that have benefited immensely from the system. Interestingly, Okonjo Iweala campaigned for Islamic Banking System in Nigeria.

Nigeria continue owing the west a huge amount of money thanks to the Interest banking System. Till tomorrow Nigeria will continue do "yes sir" for these greedy colonial masters.

AlBaqir:

Why won't those points be 'negative' to you when your sole intent was to make mockery of Islam and muslim. I bet you are not from the north so how would you feel the impact of Islamic contribution to their socio-economic development.





Which culture are you talking about? Nigeria never had a unifying culture as a Nation. Yoruba culture is quite different from Hausa, Igbo etc Igbo culture is far away from Hausa etc. Even within each tribe as a whole, there exist sub-cultural practices making Igbomina for example distinct from Ijebus. Hausa as a whole also has different sub-tribes and locals with different norms and folklores.

Islam unify all on one umberella with same Islamic practice, code of law and same language of Arabic.

As per 'words'. Kindly tell us for example:

1. What is Yoruba word for Onions?
2. What is Yoruba word for Hours?
3. What is Yoruba word for Secret?

I bet your fore-fathers and parents if they are Yorubas will ever prefer to use the word "Ojo Jimoh" (day of togetherness or congregation) instead of "Ojo Eti" (day of Failure, laziness, abandonment).




Thanks to Islamic ideology for changing the Paganistic perception of the north to that of Monotheism and rationality. The false beliefs, taboos, rituals with human sacrifice etc were abolished with the coming of Islam. Worship of trees, rivers, dead, stones etc were also abolished with the coming of Islam.

Yes there are still Christian and pagan in the north but of how many % to the total population of muslim?





It is not written in any law that understanding English language is a sole ticket to Education and Civilization. Your colonial masters with their guns forcefully halted and distrupted the once peaceful, orderly, civilized, educated 18-19th century North, and imposed their own ideology, language and form of education.

Interestingly, even these Colonial masters were impressed with the form of Islamic government of the north with orderliness, unity, Islamic education etc thereby they cannot help it than to leave the system as it was but introduced their own side by side. But they assumed the rulership.

This was not the case in the East and west. As a result, our fore-fathers became slaves.



That is now human (muslim) interpretation which is distinct from Islam as a religion. The same teaching of Islam that A uses to start hatred and violence is one B will use to fight injustice and evil thereby promoting peace. Besides, Islam since 1600 years ago value literacy and education. The first verses to be revealed in the Quran is all about read and write.


Inferior? Even David Cameron will reveal to you the contribution of Islamic Banking to the development of British Economy not to mention Arab and other countries that have benefited immensely from the system. Interestingly, Okonjo Iweala campaigned for Islamic Banking System in Nigeria.

Nigeria continue owing the west a huge amount of money thanks to the Interest banking System. Till tomorrow Nigeria will continue do "yes sir".

1) We are not Arabs. Infusing Arabic into our languages is not necessary. We have an official language called English. Arab influence is not a positive. English is a far more progressive and advanced language. There is no direct translation for memetics or memes in Arabic.

2) Paganism offers less division than islam.

3) Islamic education comes with so many drawbacks. Western education is far more superior. Just take a look globally.


4) Islamic banking has never assisted in growing any economy. It is vastly inferior and will always be.

It seems you are beginning to be frustrated. It will only be fair of you to take my points one by one and 'correct' it and also answer questions asked.

All your replies below are empty words with no tangible evidence.

TheBigUrban2:


1) We are not Arabs. Infusing Arabic into our languages is not necessary. We have an official language called English. Arab influence is not a positive. English is a far more progressive and advanced language. There is no direct translation for memetics or memes in Arabic.

Let me correct you brother. English was IMPOSED and FORCED down your fore-fathers throat.

Were your fore-fathers English? China, Japan, India, Egypt, Greece etc have history of civilization more than any nation. European STOLE these civilizations to develop their. Yet these nations are fast progressing Nation thanks to their local language.

Part of what English STOLE were Islamic heritage, education and civilization. Years of efforts of the Arabs, Chinese, etc were deliberately destroyed by the Europe in order to launch theirs.

What and where does colonial civilization English brought Nigeria?! Backward. Nigeria and other English-speaking African nations are never progressing nation. We are backward with that imposed language.

Islam do not impose Arabic language to replace yours rather introduce it as a unifying language for the adherent of the religion. Persian (Iran, Afghans, Turjikistan etc) still preserve their ancient language despite being predominant muslims.

TheBigUrban2:

2) Paganism offers less division than islam.

Ancient Yoruba pagan tribes fought like mad in their history. These fights broke Yorubas into divisions we have till today. Even today the grudges of yester-yes that these tribes had continues (Ife and Modakeke are living example).

Islam preach:

"O mankind! We have created you from a single parents then make you into color, tribe and race so that you may know each other; the most distinguish in the sight of God are the most pious..." ~Quran.

Yoruba tribes, Yoruba and other tribes like Hausa, co-exist peacefully because of many factors of which Islam is one.

English or western colonization never unify us in that aspect.

TheBigUrban2:
3) Islamic education comes with so many drawbacks. Western education is far more superior. Just take a look globally.

Aint nothing like western education but stealing of others inventions among whom were Islamic-Arab invention. The 'canon of Medicine', a comprehensive medical monograph written by Islamic personality of Ibn Sina (Avicenna) was stolen by the west and this book was used till the beginning of 19th century Europe. It pace way for the European doctors to modify medicine.

Western education? Invention of Mathematics, Geography, Astronomy, Arts, Chemistry, etc were stolen heritage of others (Islam-Arab inclusive).

Well for the sake of argument let's agree western education (due to obvious reasons) is more superior, kindly tell us what were Atheist and Christian contribution?

TheBigUrban2:
4) Islamic banking has never assisted in growing any economy. It is vastly inferior and will always be.

Is Interest Banking develop any economy? The western developed their economy solely by stealing and exploitation of others. Your African land is a good example. The more poorer African is the richer are the westerners.
Nigeria and other African nations are living example with baglogs of debt as a result of interest-laced loan.

Islam established a non-interest banking and it is only the mentally ill people with Islam- hatred and western brainwashed will say No to it.

How does the economy of Saudi, UAE, Qatar etc boom? Was it with western interest banking or non-Interest Islamic banking?

Wake up bro.

AlBaqir: It seems you are beginning to be frustrated. It will only be fair of you to take my points one by one and 'correct' it and also answer questions asked.

All your replies below are empty words with no tangible evidence.


Let me correct you brother. English was IMPOSED and FORCED down your fore-fathers throat.

Were your fore-fathers English? China, Japan, India, Egypt, Greece etc have history of civilization more than any nation. European STOLE these civilizations to develop their. Yet these nations are fast progressing Nation thanks to their local language.

Part of what English STOLE were Islamic heritage, education and civilization. Years of efforts of the Arabs, Chinese, etc were deliberately destroyed by the Europe in order to launch theirs.

What and where does colonial civilization English brought Nigeria?! Backward. Nigeria and other English-speaking African nations are never progressing nation. We are backward with that imposed language.

Islam do not impose Arabic language to replace yours rather introduce it as a unifying language for the adherent of the religion. Persian (Iran, Afghans, Turjikistan etc) still preserve their ancient language despite being predominant muslims.



Ancient Yoruba pagan tribes fought like mad in their history. These fights broke Yorubas into divisions we have till today. Even today the grudges of yester-yes that these tribes had continues (Ife and Modakeke are living example).

Islam preach:

"O mankind! We have created you from a single parents then make you into color, tribe and race so that you may know each other; the most distinguish in the sight of God are the most pious..." ~Quran.

Yoruba tribes, Yoruba and other tribes like Hausa, co-exist peacefully because of many factors of which Islam is one.

English or western colonization never unify us in that aspect.



Aint nothing like western education but stealing of others inventions among whom were Islamic-Arab invention. The 'canon of Medicine', a comprehensive medical monograph written by Islamic personality of Ibn Sina (Avicenna) was stolen by the west and this book was used till the beginning of 19th century Europe. It pace way for the European doctors to modify medicine.

Western education? Invention of Mathematics, Geography, Astronomy, Arts, Chemistry, etc were stolen heritage of others (Islam-Arab inclusive).

Well for the sake of argument let's agree western education (due to obvious reasons) is more superior, kindly tell us what were Atheist and Christian contribution?



Is Interest Banking develop any economy? The western developed their economy solely by stealing and exploitation of others. Your African land is a good example. The more poorer African is the richer are the westerners.
Nigeria and other African nations are living example with baglogs of debt as a result of interest-laced loan.

Islam established a non-interest banking and it is only the mentally ill people with Islam- hatred and western brainwashed will say No to it.

How does the economy of Saudi, UAE, Qatar etc boom? Was it with western interest banking or non-Interest Islamic banking?

Wake up bro.

1) It is irrelevant whether English was imposed or not. We have local languages as well. Arabic langiage/culture serves no purpose in Nigeria. It would be even be more beneficial to learn french considering our neighbours.

Furthermore, colonial rule was overwhelmingly bad but the few good things that came out of it were English Language and Western Education.

2) Ancient Yoruba tribes did not fight over paganism. However, your religion has been at war from day one since your prophet died. Even today, you are suffering because of that division from the prophet's death. Your fellow nairaland muslims insult and call for your posts to be hidden just because you are not Sunni.

Your claims of islamic unity is false and exaggerated. The north is not unified. Not all muslims want to live under sharia law. Not all northerners are muslims. Boko haram doesnt agree with the moderate muslim over what islam is.


3) Europe learnt a FEW things from Arabs. But they also learnt from Asians and other people. Europeans had many more inventions than the Arabs and furthermore, they are far more advanced than the Arabs.

Western Education is far more superior. A superior, intelligent man learns and improves. Western Education is a result of learning from history, accepting change and improving. Islamic education doesnt improve, it holds back to the barbaric times of the prophet and rejects things like evolution and modern psychology.

Islamic education is inferior.


4) If you had any proper education in economics, you wouldnt compare the economies of Saudi Arabia or qatar or UAE to western economies.

Islamic banking is inferior. I can not bother to explain why to someone is not well versed in finance. But know this, the biggest banks in the world are not islamic. The accounting regulatory bodies originated in Western countries.

^Now you see your intentions being revealed. You simply can't help it bro. What concern Sunnism vs Shiism with this discussion? What concern boko haram with this discussion? All that are product of muslim as a result of different understanding not Islamic principles.

Even the western civilizations and christianity have their own division and horror history so what is the big deal with muslim differences of ideology as if its alien.

Its nice speaking with you anyway. Peace.

AlBaqir:

Sorry bro. Although your reply isn't directed to me but I find it very interesting esp the underlined part.

It is very unfortunate that today many only read about a particular ideology but do not have access to replies of others to that so-called ideologies.

What have you read on atheist ideology that have "set your mental slavery free"? Have you read any of the counter ideology? Where your knowledge ends other's just started.

Atheism with their ideologies is not only mental illness but also joke.

Have I read any counter ideology?Sir,I am an ex-moslem who also dabbled in christianity for a while.How has atheism set me free?By not being subservient to a non-existent arab/jewish god who doesn't give a damn about you while continuing denigrating and disparaging our African spiritual beliefs and whose original practitioners hate your guts just for being black.Atheists suffer from mental illness?I've been told the exact same thing by my moslem 'brethrens'.What then will you say about the Japanese culture that is typically atheistic?They are all mental ill yes?My question to you is,if the IS (Yes the IS and BH have tenets from islam in their ideologies so stop denying it) succeeds in establishing its caliphate(an idea I'm very sure you support)what role do you think the black moslems will play if not the proverbial slaves?Abeg continue with your foolishness.I wasn't born to save no bagger

AlBaqir: Here's my little contribution NOT ALL anyway:

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Fantastic contribution!

striktlymi:

Fantastic contribution!

Islamic Appeaser alert!!!


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Rich4god: No offence... But the post before the above post(same author though) is more like Islam contribution to muslims/islam and not to Nigeria as an entity...

Are those Muslims he mentioned in America or Saudi Arabia?

Those Muslims are in Nigeria and whatever affects one Nigerian affects Nigeria as a whole.

More like saying that if I help one child through school out of a family of 50 kids, then I haven't helped the family.

striktlymi:

Are those Muslims he mentioned in America or Saudi Arabia?

Those Muslims are in Nigeria and whatever affects one Nigerian affects Nigeria as a whole.

More like saying that if I help one child through school out of a family of 50 kids, then I haven't helped the family.

False

traware: This your question must either be a bad joke or you must be very dumb.Can anyone truly place a price tag on the credible,wide ranging and intelligible contributions atheists impart on this forum?Science,technology,philosophy,literature,various religious movements etc.Knowledge they give out free of charge?Have you ever tried to read any of the books atheists have recommended on this section?Books you can acquire for free from the internet and which will enable you possess independent thoughts and set you and others like you free from your mental slavery?Anyone who isn't taking advantage of the presence of atheists here,is terribly foolish.Humble yourselves and learn from them because I still do.Its can best be described as going to school and not paying a single kobo for it

I asked a simple question, and all you had to do was to rain insults on me, Atheists and Islam are intolerance, A Christian will never answer my question like this.
and in what way did everything you mentioned above called contribution compared to free school, free health cares, free educations that the Christians brought to this country
one more question tho' why is this under religion thread, is Atheism a religion?

technophile:
I asked a simple question, and all you had to do was to rain insults on me, Atheists and Islam are intolerance, A Christian will never answer my question like this.
and in what way did everything you mentioned above called contribution compared to free school, free health cares, free educations that the Christians brought to this country
one more question tho' why is this under religion thread, is Atheism a religion?

Read about Tai Solarin and Leo Igwe before you say ignorant things

TheBigUrban2:

Read about Tai Solarin and Leo Igwe before you say ignorant things

When I asked about Atheist contribution, you didn't mentioned them, all I read from ur comments were insults.
and you avoided my second question, is Atheism a religion?

technophile:
When I asked about Atheist contribution, you didn't mentioned them, all I read from ur comments were insults.
and you avoided my second question, is Atheism a religion?

Atheism is not a religion. My guy dont be ignorant

technophile:
I asked a simple question, and all you had to do was to rain insults on me, Atheists and Islam are intolerance, A Christian will never answer my question like this.
and in what way did everything you mentioned above called contribution compared to free school, free health cares, free educations that the Christians brought to this country
one more question tho' why is this under religion thread, is Atheism a religion?

No Sir,atheism isn't a religion.Have you ever seen or heard of an atheist 'worship centre' before?Atheists aren't a group either.We are all individually different with different ideals.The only feature we have in common is a lack of belief in a 'higher power' or 'supreme being'.Finito.'Free' western education and healthcare weren't brought by the christian missionaries because of the goodness in their hearts/humanitarian reasons.The services weren't universally available to just anyone/everyone unless you converted to christianity.Nothing has ever been 'free' in this world

TheBigUrban2:



Atheism is not a religion. My guy dont be ignorant

Then Mr. Genius I KnowItAll, why is this under religion thread?

technophile:
Then Mr. Genius I KnowItAll, why is this under religion thread?

Its a question about islam

traware: Free' western education and healthcare weren't brought by the christian missionaries because of the goodness in their hearts/humanitarian reasons.The services weren't universally available to just anyone/everyone unless you converted to christianity.Nothing has ever been 'free' in this world

That is a very big fat lie, and you know it, a Christian will never force you to convert from your religion because of free health care or free education, Jesus said:- you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free, you convert at your own freewill because you discover it is the truth, not because somebody put a knife on your neck, or they threatened you with bomb, or Free education.

Then he gave us another commandment:- Love your neighbor as your self, there is no other commandment that is greater than this. When he said neighbor, he meant all mankind, irrespective of you race or religion or disabilities. Every Christian understand this, that is why free education, free health health from the missionaries back then was NEVER given to Christians alone.

TheBigUrban2:


Its a question about islam

9ce try!

technophile:
That is a very big fat lie, and you know it, a Christian will never force you to convert from your religion because of free health care or free education, Jesus said:- you shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free, you convert at your own freewill because you discover it is the truth, not because somebody put a knife on your neck, or they threatened you with bomb, or Free education.

Then he gave us another commandment:- Love your neighbor as your self, there is no other commandment that is greater than this. When he said neighbor, he meant all mankind, irrespective of you race or religion or disabilities. Every Christian understand this, that is why free education, free health health from the missionaries back then was NEVER given to Christians alone.

The bold is a lie. This has been one of the very dirty practices that churches do to get converts in Africa, namely the catholic church.

AlBaqir:
It seems you are beginning to be frustrated. It will only be fair of you to take my points one by one and 'correct' it and also answer questions asked.

All your replies below are empty words with no tangible evidence.


Let me correct you brother. English was IMPOSED and FORCED down your fore-fathers throat.

Were your fore-fathers English? China, Japan, India, Egypt, Greece etc have history of civilization more than any nation. European STOLE these civilizations to develop their. Yet these nations are fast progressing Nation thanks to their local language.

Part of what English STOLE were Islamic heritage, education and civilization. Years of efforts of the Arabs, Chinese, etc were deliberately destroyed by the Europe in order to launch theirs.

What and where does colonial civilization English brought Nigeria?! Backward. Nigeria and other English-speaking African nations are never progressing nation. We are backward with that imposed language.

Islam do not impose Arabic language to replace yours rather introduce it as a unifying language for the adherent of the religion. Persian (Iran, Afghans, Turjikistan etc) still preserve their ancient language despite being predominant muslims.



Ancient Yoruba pagan tribes fought like mad in their history. These fights broke Yorubas into divisions we have till today. Even today the grudges of yester-yes that these tribes had continues (Ife and Modakeke are living example).

Islam preach:

"O mankind! We have created you from a single parents then make you into color, tribe and race so that you may know each other; the most distinguish in the sight of God are the most pious..." ~Quran.

Yoruba tribes, Yoruba and other tribes like Hausa, co-exist peacefully because of many factors of which Islam is one.

English or western colonization never unify us in that aspect.



Aint nothing like western education but stealing of others inventions among whom were Islamic-Arab invention. The 'canon of Medicine', a comprehensive medical monograph written by Islamic personality of Ibn Sina (Avicenna) was stolen by the west and this book was used till the beginning of 19th century Europe. It pace way for the European doctors to modify medicine.

Western education? Invention of Mathematics, Geography, Astronomy, Arts, Chemistry, etc were stolen heritage of others (Islam-Arab inclusive).

Well for the sake of argument let's agree western education (due to obvious reasons) is more superior, kindly tell us what were Atheist and Christian contribution?



Is Interest Banking develop any economy? The western developed their economy solely by stealing and exploitation of others. Your African land is a good example. The more poorer African is the richer are the westerners.
Nigeria and other African nations are living example with baglogs of debt as a result of interest-laced loan.

Islam established a non-interest banking and it is only the mentally ill people with Islam- hatred and western brainwashed will say No to it.

How does the economy of Saudi, UAE, Qatar etc boom? Was it with western interest banking or non-Interest Islamic banking?

Wake up bro.

So islamic innovations can be frustrated, but their jihad, killings and terrorism can't? wow just wow.

AntiChristian, Empiree (Kafir and SUFI) Your Food Is Ready

ANTIlSLAM:
AntiChristian, Empiree (Kafir and SUFI) Your Food Is Ready

Oh this thread. I saw it back then and comment below was the it was ignored by us

AlBaq.ir:


You know quite well that the reason why many muslims kept silent was the fact that you have a bad reputation with Islam. You attack Islam and muslims at will. Open a thread 'challenging' muslim to name Islam contribution to Nigeria is in no doubt a ploy to mock muslim and Islam as usual amidst muslim-chaos-violence related issues presently.

This I think is the reason why my brethren turned away from your so-called thread.

TheBigUrban2 was wellknown to us