asalimpo:
if u dont know what incited means get a dictionary.
Whats d crap abt first to comment and thread countg and age? Age doesnt mean wisdom.
As an atheist askg a mocking question about a God you dont believe in- what learning is there for you?
So who isnt a fool who waste his words on you- a person who has closed his mind and taken a stand already- tryg to convince you (when he knows ur motive is cynical and his effort is futile)!

Emm...pls go and watch cartoon since you are clearly mentally deficient for this discourse.
Opinionated fanatics like you jump into threads before asking what is being discussed.

alexleo has told you he is researching and learning here and so am I.

Energy can never be created nor destroyed but can be transformed from one form to another.



God cannot be created and since he can't be Created he can't be destroyed.

Just get over that Omnipotent stuff.


Based on "facts" he is not a self, person, or individual and so there is nothing to destroy.

sistar007: Energy can never be created nor destroyed but can be transformed from one form to another.



God cannot be created and since he can't be Created he can't be destroyed.

Just get over that Omnipotent stuff.


Based on "facts" he is not a self, person, or individual and so there is nothing to destroy.

Are you now saying that your God is not a personality or being but an ENERGY?

Liveair:

Are you now saying that your God is not a personality or being but an ENERGY?

God is not an individual

sistar007:


God is not an individual

See ; Ezekiel 1:4-28, Daniel 7:9-10
Revelation 1:13-18

Those bible passages give details of his personality and physical attributes, with arms, loin, feet, etc.
Ezekiel also mentions him sitting on a throne, proves he is an individual with a personality.

Liveair:

See ; Ezekiel 1:4-28, Daniel 7:9-10
Revelation 1:13-18

Those bible passages give details of his personality and physical attributes, with arms, loin, feet, etc.
Ezekiel also mentions him sitting on a throne, proves he is an individual with a personality.

But the Bible still tells u that no Eyes has seen God

Yeah that is what makes the Bible confusing

sistar007:

But the Bible still tells u that no Eyes has seen God

Yeah that is what makes the Bible confusing

Yeah, really contradictory and confusing, that's why one can say it was written by a bunch of people with different ideas.

However, it records that Ezekiel and Daniel saw this in visions.

Liveair:

Yeah, really contradictory and confusing, that's why one can say it was written by a bunch of people with different ideas.

However, it records that Ezekiel and Daniel saw this in visions.

Explanation of visions with real life scenes make it contradictory to people.

If Ezekiel and Daniel were in our age Their visions would have been explained in a different way

sistar007:

Explanation of visions with real life scenes make it contradictory to people.

If Ezekiel and Daniel were in our age Their visions would have been explained in a different way

In that case can we also say the same for the entire bible?

Liveair:

In that case can we also say the same for the entire bible?

Yeah

Liveair:

In that case can we also say the same for the entire bible?

sistar007:
Yeah

No. Some of the historical events that took place in the bible are not hidden to us today. They were live events and not vision. Again The new testament gospels were not visions. Paul and the other apostles taught what Christ taught them in the new testament.

The point you are making about seeing God in a vision is a different case because the bible said that no ,man has seen God. So you may be right that the vision may not have given the exact and complete appearance of God but you cant use it to generalize other vision in the bible. There are visions that God showed that later came to pass as shown.

Saul in his conversion was shown a vision and it later happened as shown
Nebuchadnezzar vision came in a different way too, also that of Joseph.

alexleo:



No. Some of the historical events that took place in the bible are not hidden to us today. They were live events and not vision. Again The new testament gospels were not visions. Paul and the other apostles taught what Christ taught them in the new testament.

The point you are making about seeing God in a vision is a different case because the bible said that no ,man has seen God. So you may be right that the vision may not have given the exact and complete appearance of God but you cant use it to generalize other vision in the bible. There are visions that God showed that later came to pass as shown.
Saul in his conversion was shown a vision and it later happened as shown
Nebuchadnezzar vision came in a different way too, also that of Joseph.

Historical events like?

The visions were seen by different biblical prophets and bore similarities such that the appearance and physical attributes of the God-person were similar. This makes it clear that it was same being.
If the case you are making is that the visions were not true representation of the biblical God, and so unreliable, then we can also assume that visions by Paul and John in the Revelation, etc, were unreliable too.

Nebuchadnezzar wasn't a biblical Prophet so he isn't even expected to see beyond simbolic representations.