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Faith Healers Who Couldn't Heal Themselves. by Zikdik(m): 7:31pm On Sep 03, 2014
Doyle "Buddy" Harrison , Founder of Harrison
House Books, son-in-law of Kenneth E. Hagin died
Nov. 1998 of cancer . He was the founder of Faith
Christian Fellowship, the WOF denomination. How
could he have died of cancer? He was in the "faith
movement" BEFORE Copeland and others . . .
0. E.W. Kenyon , Father of the Word of Faith
Movement. One of the initial teachers of divine
healing and it always being God's will to heal His
children. Died in a coma brought on by a
malignant tumor. Copeland teaches that Kenyon
was sitting in a rocking chair, his daughter came
into the room and Kenyon said "there's Jesus,
good bye," and went to glory. This is a lie. He
died from disease .
1. John Osteen , mega-church pastor in Houston -
his wife, Dodie got liver cancer and through
medical attention survived . John
Osteen is more sound today than when he initially
began with the renewal movement, he is probably
not as much a WOF teacher as he used to be.
2. Frederick K. Price, Word of Faith mega-church
pastor in Los Angeles - his wife, Betty got cancer
and was medically treated (chemo-therapy). "If you need a
crutch upon or something to help you get along,
then praise God, hobble along until you get your
faith moving to the point that you don’t need a
crutch." How Faith Works pp. 92-92
I guess after all the years of sitting under
"anointed" faith teaching by one of the movements
leading faith teachers was not enough for Fred’s
wife - she needed a doctor after all.
3. Jamie Buckingham, Discipleship Movement &
charismatic author - died of cancer . He was under
a medical doctors care.
4. Charles Capps, Word of Faith teacher, teaches
power of our words to create reality - his wife got
cancer and was medically treated .
I don’t deny the existence of disease. I
deny the right of that disease to exist
in this body, because I’m the Body of
Christ." The Tongue p. 43.
I guess Chuck’s wife must have not spoken the
right magic words to keep the cancer from her
body.
5. John Wimber , Signs & Wonders Movement,
author of "Power Healing," - just died from cancer .
He too, was medically treated - no "power" healing
for him, only chemo-therapy.
5a. Chris Wimber , GM of Vineyard Music died Feb
6, 1998 of melanoma cancer . Mahesh is supposed
to have "healed" people of cancer and AIDS - yet
there was no "healing" for Chris.
6. Mack Timberlake , Word of Faith pastor -
suffering from throat cancer, getting medical
attention .
7. R.W. Schambach , Faith Healer - got a
quadruple heart bypass (from a real live human
doctor)
"You don’t have any problems, all you
need is faith in God."
8. Dr. Hobart Freeman, Word of Faith teacher &
pastor of Faith Assembly - over 90 people died in
his church following his teaching and then Hobart
died due to a medically treatable disease .
I personally respect Hobart & his misguided
followers. They actually took the teachings of the
WOF movement to their logical conclusion. They
stood on the "promises" alone and believed in
their doctrine enough to face painful deaths
instead of refusing to deny what they believed.
Hobart Freeman is the most chilling testimony of
the complete bankruptcy of the WOF errors. If
WOF teachings were true they would have
certainly worked for Hobart and the 90+ people
who died in "faith believing." (BTW - Hobart is a
name NONE of the WOF'ers mention, he was too
serious about the teachings).
9. Joyce Meyer , the fast rising Word of Faith
female preacher. On Aug. 31, 1998 on her morning
broadcast admitted that she had breast cancer and
was MEDICALLY TREATED . I found her admission
to be very interesting.
9. Prophet Keith Grayton , Prophetic Movement -
died of the complications of AIDS He spoke at our
Church in Detroit, and declared he was totally
healed. He died a year or so later.
10. Kenneth Hagin , "father" of the Word of Faith
Movement - sister died of cancer, (he wears
glasses as does his son). Hagin’s great faith and
special anointing could not keep her on the planet
or his eyesight from growing dim.
10a. Hagin's sister died from cancer.
10b. Hagin's wife had to go to the hospital for an
operation even though Jesus " appeared" to Hagin
and gave him a special anointing to heal the sick
(read I Believe In Visions). If people believe Hagin
is anointed then they will be healed, I guess his
own family members doubt his healing powers.
11. Robert Tilton , God's "profit" admitted he had
to get special face-lifting surgery because of the
danger of getting ink poisoning from laying on all
the prayer requests he received. Why didn't he
command healing . . .like he does for countless
others over the airwaves?
Re: Faith Healers Who Couldn't Heal Themselves. by Nobody: 7:33pm On Sep 03, 2014
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Re: Faith Healers Who Couldn't Heal Themselves. by Nobody: 7:50pm On Sep 03, 2014
Christianity and Irony go hand-in-hand. grin

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Re: Faith Healers Who Couldn't Heal Themselves. by WinsomeX: 8:36pm On Sep 03, 2014
Please provide a link to the information you provided above. Thanks.

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Re: Faith Healers Who Couldn't Heal Themselves. by BabaGnoni: 8:45pm On Sep 03, 2014
Keep in mind most of these folks teach it is God’s will to heal you every time you are sick
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/sick.htm

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Re: Faith Healers Who Couldn't Heal Themselves. by onihaxy: 8:47pm On Sep 03, 2014
Sauce?. Abi na source?
Re: Faith Healers Who Couldn't Heal Themselves. by Zikdik(m): 9:19pm On Sep 03, 2014
onihaxy: Sauce?. Abi na source?
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/sick.htm
Re: Faith Healers Who Couldn't Heal Themselves. by iceberylin(m): 9:26pm On Sep 03, 2014
thats cause they Fake miracles

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Re: Faith Healers Who Couldn't Heal Themselves. by Nobody: 8:10am On Sep 04, 2014
iceberylin: thats cause they Fake miracles
even in the western world?how come no one catches them.how come people never stop giving testimonies of being healed.pls take a honest look at this.
Re: Faith Healers Who Couldn't Heal Themselves. by Nobody: 8:17am On Sep 04, 2014
Apatheist: Christianity and Irony go hand-in-hand. grin
did u know that Elisha died from sickness.if you read the bible you will see how powerful he was.and his dead bones still raised the dead.it is not irony.there is normally a reason why such things happen.but you don't believe in God to know.

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Re: Faith Healers Who Couldn't Heal Themselves. by nora544: 8:24am On Sep 04, 2014
grin
Re: Faith Healers Who Couldn't Heal Themselves. by iceberylin(m): 9:13am On Sep 04, 2014
cause they are paid to fake the Testimonies..moreover they v been caught severally!!!!
80%of Miracles are Fake
[quote
author=Dux01]even in the western world?how come no one catches them.how
come people never stop giving testimonies of being healed.pls take a
honest look at this.[/quote]

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Re: Faith Healers Who Couldn't Heal Themselves. by Nobody: 9:30am On Sep 04, 2014
iceberylin: cause they are paid to fake the Testimonies..moreover they v been caught severally!!!!
80%of Miracles are Fake
seriously so it is fake miracles that account for the very large crowds that christian leaders have.common it is more than that.
Re: Faith Healers Who Couldn't Heal Themselves. by nora544: 9:40am On Sep 04, 2014
I know more of this fake pastors who could not heal themself.

This healer John Lake his fist Wife died when he was in south africa and he died with 65 on stroke and he is the one who makes healing schools

read about this fake man and he is the teacher of many nigerian rich pastors!

‘The Devil Who Heals’: Fraud and
Falsification in the Evangelical Career of
John G Lake, Missionary to South Africa
1908–1913
Barry Morton a
a Ivy Tech Community College, University of South Africa, USA

https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/view/16592889/the-devil-who-heals-fraud-and-falsification-in-the-evangelical-

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Re: Faith Healers Who Couldn't Heal Themselves. by Nobody: 3:39pm On Sep 04, 2014
and up till now people still claimed to be healed by benny hinn?you know all this can't be fake.pls have an open mind.there is something that is drawing people to preachers that is not visible to see.

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Re: Faith Healers Who Couldn't Heal Themselves. by nora544: 3:52pm On Sep 04, 2014
Dux01: and up till now people still claimed to be healed by benny hinn?you know all this can't be fake.pls have an open mind.there is something that is drawing people to preachers that is not visible to see.


Benny Hinn Healing Crusade Ends in Controversy

In April 2005, American Evangelist Benny Hinn arrived in Nigeria for his much-advertised Healing Crusade. He flew into the country aboard his Gulfstream III jet with a retinue of bodyguards. But a few days later, Hinn left Nigeria in annoyance and disappointment. He was irked by the low turnout at the event: only an estimated 300,000 people attended the crusade instead of the six million that had been expected.

Hinn was visibly angry because of the huge amount of money he had invested in the crusade. “Four million dollars down the drain,” he is said to have shouted on the final day of the event. The vice president of Benny Hinn Ministries, Jon Wilson, gave a breakdown of the money. He said $3 million was spent on hotel accommodations and technical infrastructure, while $1 million more was used up by members of the local organizing committee.

But the Benny Hinn Healing Crusade generated a lot of interest and debate in the local media. A Nigerian pastor, writing in The Guardian, one of the national dailies, urged the Pentecostal leaders to “bury their heads in shame,” given the “prevailing rot” in their churches. And as a face-saving measure, the Pentecostal Federation of Nigeria (PFN)-the umbrella group of most Pentecostal churches in Nigeria-had to expel Bishop Dr. Joseph Olanrewaju Obembe, the president of the PFN chapter in Lagos, General Overseer of the El-Shaddai Bible Church, and a coordinator of the Benny Hinn Healing Crusade, and other pastors who served on the local committee.

With the growing decline in religious belief in America and the entire Western world, evangelists are looking to Africa for converts, followers, and disciples. Many Pentecostal churches in Africa receive millions of dollars in aid from their American counterparts to “bring Africans to Christ.” Luis Bush, a cousin of president George W. Bush and one of the leading evangelists in the U.S., supports missionary work in more that thirty African countries. Other American evangelists, such as Benny Hinn, Todd Bentley, and Oral Roberts, as well as the German evangelist Reinhard Bonnke, sponsor miracle crusades across the continent.

Pentecostalism has therefore become a thriving business in Africa. In fact, it has become the shortest route to wealth and affluence for the continent’s teeming population of unemployed youths. Local pastors employ all sorts of tricks and techniques to extort money from gullible folks (as well as foreign friends). They use this money to build magnificent churches, erect costly dwellings, buy luxurious cars and aircraft, and live ostentatiously, while their church members languish in poverty, misery, and squalor.

In most cases, pastors tell the faithful to give money to God so that God will bless them in return. They tell the people of the divine favors that come to those who pay their tithes and make offerings regularly. Or they use the biblical injunction that says, “givers never lack"-though in Africa, they often do-to squeeze money out of the people. In Nigeria, there have been instances where people have even stolen money to give to their pastors and churches. In March 2003, a cashier in a hotel in Abuja was arrested for allegedly stealing nearly forty million naira (about $40,000) from his employer. The man later confessed to the police that he gave the money to his church, Christ Embassy. And in another case of theft for God, a bank clerk stole forty million naira from his employer and gave ten million to his church as seed money, in the belief that the seed would germinate and yield several times that amount in return, as promised by his pastor. The man, according to the BBC’s Focus on Africa magazine, got appointed to the office of assistant pastor. But before his seed could germinate, the crime was detected and he was arrested.
Miracles in Africa

Africans are suckers for magic, miracles, and paranormal claims. Generally, among Africans, there is a deep-seated belief in supernatural forces that intervene and alter human destinies for good or ill. These spiritual forces are believed to work in magical and miraculous ways, through signs and wonders that confound the human mind. And the evangelical churches are capitalizing on this superstitious element in African thought and culture to peddle and propagate their paranormal services. They promise divine healing and instant solutions for problems and diseases.

Pentecostal pastors claim they have the power to make the deaf hear, the blind see, the lame walk, and the infertile give birth. Recently, Gilbert Deya, a self-proclaimed archbishop from Kenya, got himself into trouble: he said he could make infertile black couples give birth to miracle babies. But police investigations revealed child theft and baby trafficking. (See my article “The Kenya Miracle Babies Scandal,” in the September 2005 Skeptical Briefs.) Some years ago, a Nigerian pastor, Temitope Joshua, of the Synagogue of All Nations, announced to the world that he could cure HIV/AIDS.

In 2001, German evangelist Reinhard Bonnke was reported to have raised a person from the dead. There have been a lot of such indiscriminate claims of miracles and divine healing by Nigeria’s televangelists and end-time preachers-Chris Oyakhilome, Enoch Adeboye, David Oyedepo, Helen Ukpabio, Matthew Ashimolowo, et al. These faith healers use the money from miracle seekers to put up billboards and sponsor radio and television programs advertising their miracles. Last year, the Nigerian Broadcasting Commission had to ban the broadcast of miracles on national television.

Faith healing is the greatest threat to scientific medicine and health-care delivery in Africa. Miracles have no basis in science, reason, or common sense. All claims of divine cures and healing cannot be reconciled with the dire health situation in Africa. Africa has the highest infant-mortality rate in the world. And millions there are still dying of preventable diseases like malaria and tuberculosis. According to the United Nations, 6,000 African children die from-and 11,000 become infected with-HIV/AIDS every day. And if there are indeed people with supernatural powers to heal the sick, raise the dead, and cure all ailments, why are human beings suffering and dying? It is quite obvious that all claims of miracles and faith healing are fake. As the French philosopher and writer Ernest Renan rightly pointed out, “No miracle has ever taken place under conditions which science can accept.”

Experience shows, without exception, that “miracles” occur only in the presence of persons who are disposed to believe in them. So, faith healers are just taking advantage of the African predicament. They are cashing in on the desperation and gullibility of Africans to enrich themselves and to promote their churches.

Africa needs science, not superstition; critical thinking, not dogma; open mindedness, not blind faith; reason, not revelation; and industry and technological advancement, not the Holy Spirit and miracles. Africa needs skepticism, not Pentecostalism.
http://www.csicop.org/sb/show/benny_hinn_healing_crusade_ends_in_controversy/

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Re: Faith Healers Who Couldn't Heal Themselves. by Nobody: 4:16pm On Sep 04, 2014
Dux01: and up till now people still claimed to be healed by benny hinn?you know all this can't be fake.pls have an open mind.there is something that is drawing people to preachers that is not visible to see.
Benny Hinn is a bleeping fake - - like all of the rest.
Proof from a Christian : www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/benny_hinn-fake.htm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVG1x-rh6FE

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Re: Faith Healers Who Couldn't Heal Themselves. by Nobody: 4:27pm On Sep 04, 2014
but if you watch him now you would still see people saying they have been healed of this and that?and look people on the ground what made them fall.this is similar too in nigerian churches.why the same manifestation everywhere?even up till now even tomorrow you will still hear reports.are u really sure nothing is behind this?
Re: Faith Healers Who Couldn't Heal Themselves. by Weah96: 4:54pm On Sep 04, 2014
Dux01: even in the western world?how come no one catches them.how come people never stop giving testimonies of being healed.pls take a honest look at this.

Because of the stigma associated with challenging the authority of God in public. Few do it openly, and they're mostly comedians or Rhodes scholars. Note that I've yet to hear of a reported miracle in the US.

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Re: Faith Healers Who Couldn't Heal Themselves. by ednut1(m): 5:09pm On Sep 04, 2014
hahahahaha hilarious, Nigerian pastors can cure diseases like acute heart parablumsis( what ever dat is), when ebola come dey all pic race, TB joshua ban dem from coming to his church, na to serve God direct sure pass not thru this scammers.

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Re: Faith Healers Who Couldn't Heal Themselves. by Nobody: 5:15pm On Sep 04, 2014
[quote author=Zikdik]
Include Kumuyis wife, she was suffering from an illness (cancer) for a long time, kumuyi and d church warriors prayed and fasted for months, how did it end

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Re: Faith Healers Who Couldn't Heal Themselves. by mazaje(m): 5:18pm On Sep 04, 2014
These words sum up everything about what is going on with we gullible Africans. . .

"Faith healing is the greatest threat to scientific medicine and health-care delivery in Africa. Miracles have no basis in science, reason, or common sense. All claims of divine cures and healing cannot be reconciled with the dire health situation in Africa. Africa has the highest infant-mortality rate in the world. And millions there are still dying of preventable diseases like malaria and tuberculosis. According to the United Nations, 6,000 African children die from-and 11,000 become infected with-HIV/AIDS every day. And if there are indeed people with supernatural powers to heal the sick, raise the dead, and cure all ailments, why are human beings suffering and dying? It is quite obvious that all claims of miracles and faith healing are fake. As the French philosopher and writer Ernest Renan rightly pointed out, “No miracle has ever taken place under conditions which science can accept.”

Experience shows, without exception, that “miracles” occur only in the presence of persons who are disposed to believe in them. So, faith healers are just taking advantage of the African predicament. They are cashing in on the desperation and gullibility of Africans to enrich themselves and to promote their churches.

Africa needs science, not superstition; critical thinking, not dogma; open mindedness, not blind faith; reason, not revelation; and industry and technological advancement, not the Holy Spirit and miracles. Africa needs skepticism, not Pentecostalism.
"

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Re: Faith Healers Who Couldn't Heal Themselves. by nora544: 10:41pm On Sep 04, 2014
mazaje: These words sum up everything about what is going on with we gullible Africans. . .

"Faith healing is the greatest threat to scientific medicine and health-care delivery in Africa. Miracles have no basis in science, reason, or common sense. All claims of divine cures and healing cannot be reconciled with the dire health situation in Africa. Africa has the highest infant-mortality rate in the world. And millions there are still dying of preventable diseases like malaria and tuberculosis. According to the United Nations, 6,000 African children die from-and 11,000 become infected with-HIV/AIDS every day. And if there are indeed people with supernatural powers to heal the sick, raise the dead, and cure all ailments, why are human beings suffering and dying? It is quite obvious that all claims of miracles and faith healing are fake. As the French philosopher and writer Ernest Renan rightly pointed out, “No miracle has ever taken place under conditions which science can accept.”

Experience shows, without exception, that “miracles” occur only in the presence of persons who are disposed to believe in them. So, faith healers are just taking advantage of the African predicament. They are cashing in on the desperation and gullibility of Africans to enrich themselves and to promote their churches.

Africa needs science, not superstition; critical thinking, not dogma; open mindedness, not blind faith; reason, not revelation; and industry and technological advancement, not the Holy Spirit and miracles. Africa needs skepticism, not Pentecostalism.
"

You wrote it so on point!

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Re: Faith Healers Who Couldn't Heal Themselves. by Nobody: 12:31am On Sep 05, 2014
omo luvin ds religion section
Re: Faith Healers Who Couldn't Heal Themselves. by Nobody: 5:56am On Sep 05, 2014
Weah96:

Because of the stigma associated with challenging the authority of God in public. Few do it openly, and they're mostly comedians or Rhodes scholars. Note that I've yet to hear of a reported miracle in the US.
watch benny hinn's program today.you will hear in his church.

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Re: Faith Healers Who Couldn't Heal Themselves. by Nobody: 5:57am On Sep 05, 2014
Dux01: watch benny hinn's program today.you will hear in his church.
Eleyi gidi gan. sad
Didn't you read the links?
Re: Faith Healers Who Couldn't Heal Themselves. by Nobody: 11:14am On Sep 05, 2014
Apatheist:
Eleyi gidi gan. sad
Didn't you read the links?
was is this year?
Re: Faith Healers Who Couldn't Heal Themselves. by Nobody: 11:24am On Sep 05, 2014
Dux01: was is this year?
Years ago.
What does it matter?
Re: Faith Healers Who Couldn't Heal Themselves. by Nobody: 11:37am On Sep 05, 2014
Apatheist:
Years ago.
What does it matter?
is because people have claimed to be healed this year too.
Re: Faith Healers Who Couldn't Heal Themselves. by Weah96: 12:17pm On Sep 05, 2014
Dux01: watch benny hinn... you will hear in his church.

And that's where it remains. Nobody watches the religious channels, not even the pastors themselves. They are often immersed in the latest episode of some reality show.
Re: Faith Healers Who Couldn't Heal Themselves. by Nobody: 12:30pm On Sep 05, 2014
Dux01: is because people have claimed to be healed this year too.
You, sir, have been utterly brainwashed. cry
People claim other outlandish things, Does it make it real?
How come he has never healed an amputee before?
Re: Faith Healers Who Couldn't Heal Themselves. by Image123(m): 3:57pm On Sep 05, 2014
Jesus works miracles today and it is not out of place for scoffers to pout "physician, heal yourself". They did it to Jesus too. It's no surprise, the surprise is professing christians coming out to mock and scorn and gloat over other people's seeming misfortune. It is God that heals ultimately, not men. The fact however remains that God uses men to heal others.

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