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Re: Is Allah Also The God Of Israel? by INJESUSNAME: 8:57pm On Sep 07, 2014
'wild' man fights anywhere he finds hiself, he is never at peace as he claims to be. A 'wild' man was dying and he began cursing the Jews and Christians but The God Jehovah had already decreed from heaven dat cursed is anyone dat curses His children(Genesis 12: 3) , d 'wild' man is now cursed. No wonder he always likes to destroy lives and property!

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Re: Is Allah Also The God Of Israel? by vedaxcool(m): 11:52am On Sep 08, 2014
There is only one God, that God is not the god of Israel nor is he any village god, but the Lord of the worlds. Informed Christians would tell you that you can only disagree on the nature of God. It is a pity that the OP does not know that Jews don't accept christian conception of God.

Do Christians, Muslims and Jews worship the same God?

Opinion by Jeffrey Weiss, Special to CNN
Follow @WeissFaithWrite

(CNN) - Pope Francis surprised Israeli and Palestinian leaders last month when he invited them to a special prayer ceremony at the Vatican this Sunday - not least because religion has often been the source, not the salve, of the region's conflicts.

Still, Pope Francis offered his "home" - the Vatican - as the perfect place to plea for some divine assistance, and Israeli President Shimon Peres and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas dutifully agreed to attend.

"The Pope has placed it in this perspective: Prayer is like a force for peace,” Vatican Secretary of State Archbishop Pietro Parolin told Vatican Radio.

"We hope that there, where human efforts have so far failed, the Lord offers to all the wisdom and fortitude to carry out a real peace plan."

But Sunday's special ceremony at the Vatican raises an interesting question: When Francis, Peres and Abbas bow their heads in prayer, will they be talking to the same God?

After all, Jews, Christians and Muslims all trace their faiths back to a fellow named Abraham, whom they all claim was chosen for special treatment by the Almighty.

Not academic

The “same God” question is one theologians have hammered at for as long as there have been enough religions for the query to make sense.

The question is hardly academic, though. In fact, a number of politicians, religious leaders and scholars have expressed hope in recent years that a convincing answer on the God question might dampen the violence committed in His name.

Yale Divinity School theologian Miroslav Volf recently edited a book titled “Do We Worship the Same God? Jews, Christians, and Muslims in Dialogue.”

In the introduction, Volf explained why the title question matters:

"To ask: ‘Do we have a common God?’ is, among other things, to worry: ‘Can we live together?’ That’s why whether or not a given community worships the same god as does another community has always been a crucial cultural and political question and not just a theological one."

On the other hand, there’s CNN Belief Blog contributor and Boston University religion professor Stephen Prothero.

His book on this subject is titled “God Is Not One: The Eight Rival Religions That Run The World.”

Prothero writes:

“For more than a generation we have followed scholars and sages down the rabbit hole into a fantasy world where all gods are one … In fact this naive theological groupthink – call it Godthink – has made the world more dangerous by blinding us to the clash of religions that threaten us worldwide.”

In the world of politics, President George W. Bush asserted the unity side of the argument more than once in the years after the 9/11 attacks - often as a way to deflect accusations that America was at war with Islam.

Bush told Al Arabiya television, “I believe there is a universal God. I believe the God that the Muslim prays to is the same God that I pray to. After all, we all came from Abraham. I believe in that universality.”

Pope Francis invites Israeli, Palestinian leaders to Vatican peace talks

Pope John Paul II drew from the same rhetorical well several times.

“We believe in the same God, the one God, the living God, the God who created the world and brings his creatures to their perfection,” he first said in a speech to Muslims in Morocco in 1985.


Looking for a more recent example? Consider the plight of Vatican envoy to Malaysia.

Shortly after he arrived there last year, Archbishop Joseph Marino said that is was fine by him that Christian translations of the Bible into Malay use the word “Allah” for “God.”

“Allah” is, of course, the Arabic word for God and is found in the Quran. The Christian translators explained that since most Malaysians are Muslim, it’s the word they’re most comfortable with and therefore the best choice for the translation.

But many Muslim authorities in Malaysia were furious. They say Christians are slipping in the familiar word as a way to convert Muslims. And conversion of Muslims is all but illegal in Malaysia.

There’s a lawsuit ongoing about the translations. Marino had to apologize for pushing into Malaysian politics.

Points of disagreement

So what do the “Abrahamic” religions disagree about?

Among other things: the purpose of humanity, the relationship of God and humanity, sin, forgiveness, salvation, the afterlife, Jesus, Muhammad, the calendar, and the religious importance of Abraham himself.

Plus the nature of God.

Any summary will leave out enormous nuance. Internal divisions within religions have fueled some of the worst examples of human violence. Consider the long and frequently bloody history of troubles between Catholics and Protestants or the growing death toll of Muslim-on-Muslim attacks.

But there are common elements about God widely accepted in each tradition.

Judaism

Start with Judaism, since it came first and established roots that carried into the other two.

Jewish tradition teaches that there is one and only one God, creator of everything, and He established physical and moral laws. As Judaism’s preeminent prayer says: “The Lord our God, the Lord is one.”

This God walks and talks directly with His creations – for a while.

Eventually, He chooses one particular nomad (Abraham) to father a mighty nation that God sets up as an example to other nations.

This God likes the smell of burning meat and demands other extremely specific physical offerings as evidence of obedience and repentance. And He gives His chosen people a particular set of laws – but doesn’t mind discussion and even argument about those laws.

A famous rabbinic saying implies that every word in Judaism’s sacred texts can be understood in 70 correct (but related) ways. And human reasoning can even trump divine intention. (No kidding. It’s in the Talmud)

This God judges His people every year. Tradition says he’s willing to accept imperfection, as long as it comes with repentance.

He’s big on obedience, not so much on faith. He’s not nearly as attentive to the behaviors of non-Jews. (There’s a famous Jewish joke with the punch line “Would you mind choosing somebody else once in a while?”)

Tradition holds that there’s a World To Come after death where moral accounts will somehow be settled. But this God is vague on details.

Christianity

The most obvious differences in the Christian God are the traditional teachings about the Trinity and Jesus. God is three separate persons who are also one. How? Christianity says the Trinity is a “mystery” of faith.

According to Christian tradition, God begets a son who is somehow also Him but not Him to atone for Original Sin. He sacrifices that son though a brutal death and thus achieves humanity's salvation.

But the son, who also is God, rises from the dead. And that sacrifice redeems eternally all who accept and believe in it. Faith, not behavior, is the essential measure of salvation.

This God is willing to vastly expand what it means to be among His “chosen people.” He’s also willing to cancel many of the laws that had applied to that chosen group for this expanded membership.

Orthodox Jews say that God prohibits them from eating a cheeseburger; Christians say God has no problem with them wolfing down Big Macs.

Unlike the Jewish God, whose instructions are almost all about this world, the Christian God is focused more on eternal salvation: heaven and hell.

Finally, for this God, much of the Jewish scriptures (which are all God’s word) are actually about foreshadowing Jesus. Including Abraham.

Islam

The Muslim God is a bit more like the Jewish God.

There is no Trinity in Muslim tradition. Jesus was a prophet, but no more divine than other prophets.

God has never has had anything like physical attributes and has no gender. (Some Muslim commentators say that the noun “Allah” is masculine, but only in the way that all nouns in some languages include gender.)

Muslim tradition holds that God wants one thing from humans: Submission. The word “Islam” is defined as “submission to the will of God.”

For Muslims, all true prophets in Jewish and Christian traditions were actually Muslim because they knew to submit correctly to God. Differences between Muslim, Jewish and Christian interpretations of God are due to errors that crept into the other two faiths, Islam teaches.

The Muslim God, like the other two, initially demanded that Abraham sacrifice a son. But the Muslim God wanted Abraham’s son Ishmael, not Isaac, who Jewish tradition holds was offered as a the sacrifice.

The Muslim God also designated, from before the world began, a perfect man to be his final prophet: Muhammad. God’s perfect truths are found only in the Quran and in the sayings of Muhammad, the hadiths.

And the Muslim God, like the Christian God but unlike the Jewish God, will welcome believers to paradise and condemn many non-Muslims - exactly which ones is a matter of much discussion - to eternal torment.

Final answer

So do Christians Muslims, and Jews, really all worship the same God?

In two major volumes on the subject recently published by scholars from various faiths and traditions, including Volf’s, the most inclusive response from these scholars is basically: Yes, and it’s our God.

This is not a new way of answering the question.

In 1076, Pope Gregory VII wrote this to a Muslim leader: “We believe in and confess one God, admittedly, in a different way…”


But like many other religious leaders on all sides of the argument, Gregory insisted that his version of the Almighty is the one whom the others are unknowingly and incompletely worshiping.

A less exclusivist set of religions might shrug off the differences. But all three claim to have the only “True Faith.”

So do all three faiths actually worship the same deity, whether they call him God or Allah or Adonai?

God only knows.

Jeffrey Weiss is an award-winning religion reporter in Dallas.The views expressed in this column belong to Weiss. A version of this story first ran in September 2013.

CNN's Daniel Burke contributed to this article.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/09/01/do-christians-muslims-and-jews-worship-the-same-god/

OP the real issue is the nature of God every religion propose, Islam I understand describe a God Perfectly, the Lord of the Worlds,

Say: He is Allah, the One and Only
Allah the eternal, the Absolute
He begetteth not, nor is He begotten
And there is non like unto Him.

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Re: Is Allah Also The God Of Israel? by eyeopener: 1:01pm On Sep 08, 2014
vedaxcool

Allah IS NOT THE GOD OF JEWS AND CHRISTIANS.

Say: O People of the Scripture! Why DISBELIEVE ye in the revelations of Allah, when Allah Himself is Witness of what ye do?

Say: O People of the Scripture! Why drive ye back believers from the way of Allah, seeking to make it crooked, when ye are witness (to Allah's guidance)? Allah is not unaware of what ye do (Surah 3:98-99).

Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as BELIEVE NOT in Allah nor the Last Day.....(Surah 9:29).

Say: O disbelievers (Kafri, including Jews and Christians).

I worship not that which ye worship

Nor worship ye that which I worship (Surah 109:1-3).

What the Jew and Christians worship is Jehovah and who is Allah who Muhammad and muslims worship.

If allah is the God of the Jews and Christians, he would not command muslims to fight them.

Pope John Paul II drew from the same rhetorical well several times.

“We believe in the same God, the one God, the living God, the God who created the world and brings his creatures to their perfection,” he first said in a speech to Muslims in Morocco in 1985.

Pope is not representative of the Christians. These people are occultic in worship and belief.
Re: Is Allah Also The God Of Israel? by vedaxcool(m): 1:07pm On Sep 08, 2014
eyeopener:

Allah IS NOT THE GOD OF JEWS AND CHRISTIANS.

Say: O People of the Scripture! Why DISBELIEVE ye in the revelations of Allah, when Allah Himself is Witness of what ye do?

Say: O People of the Scripture! Why drive ye back believers from the way of Allah, seeking to make it crooked, when ye are witness (to Allah's guidance)? Allah is not unaware of what ye do (Surah 3:98-99).

Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as BELIEVE NOT in Allah nor the Last Day.....(Surah 9:29).

Say: O disbelievers (Kafri, including Jews and Christians).

I worship not that which ye worship

Nor worship ye that which I worship (Surah 109:1-3).

What the Jew and Christians worship is Jehovah and who is Allah who Muhammad and muslims worship.

If allah is the God of the Jews and Christians, he would not command muslims to fight them.



Pope is not representative of the Christians. These people are occultic in worship and belief.

You are an ignorant man, read the post slowy and gently, do you know christianity more than the pope. grin grin grin grin grin The word people of the book is used in refrence to christians and jew.

Ignoramus, stop hiding behind the Jews, they don't believe you worship the same God. Trinity is blasphemy to a Jew.
Re: Is Allah Also The God Of Israel? by manmacho: 1:35pm On Sep 08, 2014
Remember the Jew killed him for referring to God has his father. they could not accept Jesus why will they accept trinity.

but they are still expecting a saviour has promised to them by God.
Re: Is Allah Also The God Of Israel? by eyeopener: 1:43pm On Sep 08, 2014
vedaxcool:

You are an ignorant man, read the post slowy and gently, do you know christianity more than the pope. grin grin grin grin grin The word people of the book is used in refrence to christians and jew.

Ignoramus, stop hiding behind the Jews, they don't believe you worship the same God. Trinity is blasphemy to a Jew.

By the Grace of God, I know Christianity more than Pope, it is not the rank but the Spirit.

From Jewish religion God brought forth the NT of the Christians (Jeremiah 31:31-33).
Re: Is Allah Also The God Of Israel? by vedaxcool(m): 3:27pm On Sep 08, 2014
eyeopener:

By the Grace of God, I know Christianity more than Pope, it is not the rank but the Spirit.

From Jewish religion God brought for the NT of the Christians (Jeremiah 31:31-33).

grin grin grin And it seems the Jews didn't get the memo on that. as for being more knowledgeable than the pope . . . we all see how deluded you are.

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Re: Is Allah Also The God Of Israel? by eyeopener: 4:34pm On Sep 08, 2014
vedaxcool:

grin grin grin And it seems the Jews didn't get the memo on that. as for being more knowledgeable than the pope . . . we all see how deluded you are.

Trash!
Re: Is Allah Also The God Of Israel? by Akindarchi(m): 8:12pm On Sep 08, 2014
Please refrain from the hurtful language @vexdacool, You are muslim. Eyeopener, let's be clear on one thing. There is only one creator, everything else is a "creation", if one decides to take a creation as "God", that's his loss....unfortunately it seems a lot of people are "at loss". some take money as their god, others their own intellect, others take pleasure as god.
So let's see about some of the qualities of the concept of "God" agreed upon by Judaism, Christianity and islam (judaism isn't in contention here since we most likely have no Jews here)
God is all powerful, all knowing, was not created, is in no need nourishment, does not change, has no partners, has not been seen by any man.
There may be more that do not come to mind at the moment but I guess this would suffice for now. So work your way through the aforementioned characteristics, do you really think we are worshipping the same God?
In my opinion, NO. And it's not because there is a God of isreal and then a God of Arabs, but rather because at some point the creator gave these two nations knowledge about Hiim, and somewhere down the line one of the two lost sight of the characteristics of God and the limits regarding the issue of who God is.
If you are looking for a sparring partner that would be ready on the set go to reply arguments, pardon me, I really don't fancy writing epistles daily, I trust other muslims who are more knowledgeable than I would put this my attempt to shame by further explaining to you.
My advice to you though is that you pray sincerely without using names like God or Allah or Jesus, but rather use the attributes you know of, like "the one who created me" or "the one who answers the prayer" or "the one who deserves all my worship", request in the prayer that that "one" guides you to the truth and opens your heart to accept it, and grants you the strength to practise it after you recognise it....while you are at it you might as well pray for wealth in this world, good progeny and spouse, good health, and ultimately paradise as your abode grin #just saying
Re: Is Allah Also The God Of Israel? by Rilwayne001: 6:19am On Sep 09, 2014
eyeopener:

By the Grace of God, I know Christianity more than Pope, it is not the rank but the Spirit.

From Jewish religion God brought forth the NT of the Christians (Jeremiah 31:31-33).

undecided undecided

Deluded fellow undecided

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Re: Is Allah Also The God Of Israel? by eyeopener: 12:43pm On Sep 09, 2014
Rilwayne001:

undecided undecided

Deluded fellow undecided

Because you are sooo spiritually ignorant and blind.

Jesus is my standard, not Pope.
Re: Is Allah Also The God Of Israel? by Akindarchi(m): 5:51am On Sep 10, 2014
Yeah, like we haven't heard that one before... cool by the way what's with the whole Ismael thingi being wild? Isn't it a bit off to just condemn a whole people because they descend from the offspring of a second wife? A lot of good came from this "wild men". a lot of modern science took its roots from muslim scholars back in the day, of course you probably would argue that too...There are even Arab Christians, so are they wild christians?
Maybe you would rather we turn the other cheek when we are slapped, go and see through history what was the fate of the REAL christians, they were boiled, barbecued, skinned alive, fed to dogs, fed to pigs, dragged for days till their bones became exposed, sawed in half, etc so much so that virtually all of their teachings were lost. The prosecutions didn't stop until the so called religious heads started sulking up to the pagans so much so that Jesus now shares a birthday with their then king and their idol.
So keep ranting, it's interesting in a way...to see someone define himself as christlike and then submit a post with so MUCH sense
Re: Is Allah Also The God Of Israel? by malvisguy212: 5:14pm On Sep 12, 2014
vedaxcool:

grin grin grin And it seems the Jews didn't get the memo on that. as for being more knowledgeable than the pope . . . we all see how deluded you are.
this is exactly how the canalminded man think, because the pope is the head of christianity mean he is holier than others, you are spiritualy empty, emptyvessel.

Paul say" I do not deserve to be called an apostle because am the last of them all but by God grace I am what I am today"
Judas was closer to jesus then any other disciple, but he betray christ.

Let me tell you somtin now, I AM MORE BLESS THEN ANY OTHER PROPHET IN THE BIBLE BECAUSE THE BENEFIT I HAVE NON OF THEM HAS IT, CHRIST LIVE IN ME, THE HOPE OF GLORY, MY NAME IS MOSES, I CAN NOW BE CALLED MOSES CHRIST.
Re: Is Allah Also The God Of Israel? by malvisguy212: 5:31pm On Sep 12, 2014
TO KNOW WHO JESUS REALLY IS, READ BELOW.

COLOSSIANS 1:15-23
The Supremacy of the Son of God;

15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in
heaven and on earth, visible and invisible,
whether thrones or powers or rulers or
authorities; all things have been created
through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold
together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and
the firstborn from among the dead, so
that in everything he might have the
supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all
things, whether things on earth or things
in heaven, by making peace through his
blood, shed on the cross. 21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of
[g] your evil behavior. 22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body
through death to present you holy in his
sight, without blemish and free from
accusation— 23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not
move from the hope held out in the
gospel. This is the gospel that you heard
and that has been proclaimed to every
creature under heaven, and of which I,
Paul, have become a servant.

christ is the fullness of God, and once you believe in Him, the fullness of God will dwell in you and you will be called son's of God.
Re: Is Allah Also The God Of Israel? by Akindarchi(m): 7:27pm On Sep 12, 2014
I thought according to the bible, Israel is God's first born son undecided
Re: Is Allah Also The God Of Israel? by BetaThings: 10:14am On Sep 14, 2014
eyeopener:
Even though I was not talking about killings, you can notice that in all of your quotes, there is not a reference to the new testament. Killings are not a continuos thing according to God's dispensations. It had been stopped by Jesus and for about 650 years it remained so before Muhammad resumed killings.
The New Testament was not revealed this morning
It was always present and recited during every highly offensive war waged by Christians
They had the NT during the Crusades, The Wars of Religion, the Inquisition, The Doctrine of Discovery, killing of witches
Christians had it when they used "task from God" to justify the war in Iraq about 10 years ago

eyeopener: The fact still remains that the Jews and Christians are not in the good book of muslims' allah because he is not their God. If you objectively read the quran, you will testify to it that muslims' allah is not a lover of the Jews and Christians. And for that, something is fishy.
The Jews were never in the good book of Christians
They were killed even during the plague because they (Jews) were not dying at the same rate as the Christians
Jews were forbidden from holding property in Christian Europe
Jews were persecuted all over Europe
When done the Christians now dumped in the lap of Muslims
The land being fought over by all the sides is smaller than California OR Texas
How come the loving Christians did not show their love by making room for them in the US?
And Canada has just 30m people and it is the 2nd largest space in the World
Why not create the state of Israel there?
Oh, if you want to refer to History that it was the land of their forefathers
How come Christians did not respect land of forefathers of the indigenous Indians in the US or the Aborigines in Australia
Or are we about to see the resettlement of these "original" owners of the land very soon like we are seeing in Israel
The truth is that from time

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Re: Is Allah Also The God Of Israel? by Ovacoma: 5:36pm On Sep 14, 2014
No
Re: Is Allah Also The God Of Israel? by eyeopener: 10:34am On Sep 15, 2014
BetaThings:
The New Testament was not revealed this morning
It was always present and recited during every highly offensive war waged by Christians
They had the NT during the Crusades, The Wars of Religion, the Inquisition, The Doctrine of Discovery, killing of witches
Christians had it when they used "task from God" to justify the war in Iraq about 10 years ago


The Jews were never in the good book of Christians
They were killed even during the plague because they (Jews) were not dying at the same rate as the Christians
Jews were forbidden from holding property in Christian Europe
Jews were persecuted all over Europe
When done the Christians now dumped in the lap of Muslims
The land being fought over by all the sides is smaller than California OR Texas
How come the loving Christians did not show their love by making room for them in the US?
And Canada has just 30m people and it is the 2nd largest space in the World
Why not create the state of Israel there?
Oh, if you want to refer to History that it was the land of their forefathers
How come Christians did not respect land of forefathers of the indigenous Indians in the US or the Aborigines in Australia
Or are we about to see the resettlement of these "original" owners of the land very soon like we are seeing in Israel
The truth is that from time

Hearsays!
Re: Is Allah Also The God Of Israel? by Ovacoma: 5:52pm On Sep 15, 2014
BetaThings:
The New Testament was not revealed this morning
It was always present and recited during every highly offensive war waged by Christians
They had the NT during the Crusades, The Wars of Religion, the Inquisition, The Doctrine of Discovery, killing of witches
Christians had it when they used "task from God" to justify the war in Iraq about 10 years ago


The Jews were never in the good book of Christians
They were killed even during the plague because they (Jews) were not dying at the same rate as the Christians
Jews were forbidden from holding property in Christian Europe
Jews were persecuted all over Europe
When done the Christians now dumped in the lap of Muslims
The land being fought over by all the sides is smaller than California OR Texas
How come the loving Christians did not show their love by making room for them in the US?
And Canada has just 30m people and it is the 2nd largest space in the World
Why not create the state of Israel there?
Oh, if you want to refer to History that it was the land of their forefathers
How come Christians did not respect land of forefathers of the indigenous Indians in the US or the Aborigines in Australia
Or are we about to see the resettlement of these "original" owners of the land very soon like we are seeing in Israel
The truth is that from time
. Please, where then should be land of Israel?
BetaThings:
The New Testament was not revealed this morning
It was always present and recited during every highly offensive war waged by Christians
They had the NT during the Crusades, The Wars of Religion, the Inquisition, The Doctrine of Discovery, killing of witches
Christians had it when they used "task from God" to justify the war in Iraq about 10 years ago


The Jews were never in the good book of Christians
They were killed even during the plague because they (Jews) were not dying at the same rate as the Christians
Jews were forbidden from holding property in Christian Europe
Jews were persecuted all over Europe
When done the Christians now dumped in the lap of Muslims
The land being fought over by all the sides is smaller than California OR Texas
How come the loving Christians did not show their love by making room for them in the US?
And Canada has just 30m people and it is the 2nd largest space in the World
Why not create the state of Israel there?
Oh, if you want to refer to History that it was the land of their forefathers
How come Christians did not respect land of forefathers of the indigenous Indians in the US or the Aborigines in Australia
Or are we about to see the resettlement of these "original" owners of the land very soon like we are seeing in Israel
The truth is that from time
. Please, where then should be land of Israel?
BetaThings:
The New Testament was not revealed this morning
It was always present and recited during every highly offensive war waged by Christians
They had the NT during the Crusades, The Wars of Religion, the Inquisition, The Doctrine of Discovery, killing of witches
Christians had it when they used "task from God" to justify the war in Iraq about 10 years ago


The Jews were never in the good book of Christians
They were killed even during the plague because they (Jews) were not dying at the same rate as the Christians
Jews were forbidden from holding property in Christian Europe
Jews were persecuted all over Europe
When done the Christians now dumped in the lap of Muslims
The land being fought over by all the sides is smaller than California OR Texas
How come the loving Christians did not show their love by making room for them in the US?
And Canada has just 30m people and it is the 2nd largest space in the World
Why not create the state of Israel there?
Oh, if you want to refer to History that it was the land of their forefathers
How come Christians did not respect land of forefathers of the indigenous Indians in the US or the Aborigines in Australia
Or are we about to see the resettlement of these "original" owners of the land very soon like we are seeing in Israel
The truth is that from time
. Please, where then should be land of Israel?

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