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Islamic Slavery In Africa by ghostofsparta(m): 5:37pm On Sep 04, 2014
Slavery in the Arab World

Murray Gordon

New Amsterdam Books, New York, NY 1989

In his fact-filled work on the history of the Muslim Arab slave trade in Africa, Murray Gordon notes that this trade pre-dated the European Christian African slave trade by a thousand years and continued for more than a century after the Europeans had abolished the practice. Gordon estimates the number of slaves “harvested” from Black Africa over the period of the Muslim Arab slave trade at 11 million – roughly equal to the number taken by European Christians for their colonies in the New World.

“Despite the long history of slavery in the Arab World and in other Muslim lands, little has been written about this tragedy,” writes Gordon in his introduction. “Except for the few abolitionists, mainly in England, who railed against Arab slavery and put pressure upon Western governments to end the traffic in slaves, the issue has all but been ignored in the West.”
‘Conspiracy of Silence’ on Arab Slave Trade

Gordon decries a “conspiracy of silence. . .[that] has blocked out all light on this sensitive subject.” Among scholars in the Arab world, the author points out, “No moral opprobrium has clung to slavery since it was sanctioned by the Koran and enjoyed an undisputed place in Arab society.”

The book starts out with a brief outline of the growth of the Islamic attitude toward slavery. There is no evidence that Muhammad sought to abolish slavery, notes Gordon, although he urged slave-owners to treat their slaves well and grant them freedom as a meritorious deed.

“Some Muslim scholars have taken this to mean that his true motive was to bring about a gradual elimination of slavery. Far more persuasive is the argument that by lending the moral authority of Islam to slavery, Muhammad assured its legitimacy. Thus, in lightening the fetter, he riveted it ever more firmly in place.”


High Rate of Black African Casualties

While Gordon acknowledges that at times the Islamic version of slavery could be more “humane” than the European colonial version, he provides many facts which point out that the Muslim variety of slavery could be extremely cruel as well.

One particularly brutal practice was the mutilation of young African boys, sometimes no more than 9 or ten years old, to create eunuchs, who brought a higher price in the slave markets of the Middle East. Slave traders often created “eunuch stations” along the major African slave routes where the necessary surgery was performed in unsanitary conditions. Gordon estimates that only one out of every 10 boys subjected to the mutilation actually survived the surgery.

The taking of slaves – in razzias, or raids, on peaceful African villages – also had a high casualty rate. Gordon notes that the typical practice was to conduct a pre-dawn raid on an unsuspecting village and kill off as many of the men and older women as possible. Young women and children were then abducted as the preferred “booty” for the raiders.

Young women were targeted because of their value as concubines or sex slaves in markets. “The most common and enduring purpose for acquiring slaves in the Arab world was to exploit them for sexual purposes,” writes Gordon. “These women were nothing less than sexual objects who, with some limitations, were expected to make themselves available to their owners. . .Islamic law, as already noted, catered to the sexual interests of a man by allowing him to take as many as four wives at one time and to have as many concubines as his purse allowed.” Young women and girls were often “inspected” before purchase in private areas of the slave market by the prospective buyer.


Racism Toward Black Africans

Some of Gordon’s research disputes the oft-repeated charge that racism did not play a part in Islamic slave society. While it is true that the Muslims of the Middle East took slaves of all colors and ethnicities, they considered white slaves more valuable than black ones and developed racist attitudes toward the darker skinned people.

Even the famous Arab philosopher Ibn Khaldun, expressed racist attitudes toward black Africans: “The only people who accept slavery are the Negroes, owing to their low degree of humanity and their proximity to the animal stage,” Khaldun wrote. Another Arab writer, of the 14th Century, asked: “Is there anything more vile than black slaves, of less good and more evil than they?”

Gordon covers the Arab/African slave trades up until the mid-20th Century, noting that Saudi Arabia only abolished the practice in the early 1960s. Unlike the European nations and the USA, the Arab nations did not abolish African slavery voluntarily out of moral conscience, but due to considerable economic and military pressure applied by the great colonial powers of time, France and Britain. Slavery is still practiced in two Islamic nations: The Sudan and Mauritania.

Further reading about the Arab/Muslim slave trades can be found in the following book:


Race and Slavery in the Middle East
Bernard Lewis

Oxford University Press (Trade); Reprint edition (April 1992)

An excerpt from this book can be found here
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/med/lewis1.html

To learn more about the 21st Century slave conditions in The Sudan and Mauritania, please visit www.iabolish.org



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White Slaves, African Masters
An Anthology of American Barbary Captivity Narratives

Edited and with an introduction by Paul Baepler

The University of Chicago Press 1999

This book illuminates a subject once well-known in the history of the West but which is now somewhat neglected: the enslavement, over several centuries, of tens of thousands of white Christian Europeans and (later) Americans in Muslim North Africa -- or the so-called “Barbary” states of Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Tripoli. Over the course of 10 centuries, tens of thousands of these unfortunates became the possessions of Muslims in North Africa courtesy of the feared Barbary pirates. These pirates cruised the Mediterranean Sea and the Atlantic Ocean in search of European and, later, American ships to pillage and plunder.

Edited by a lecturer at the University of Minnesota, Paul Baepler, this book focuses on first-person accounts of American Christians who served as slaves to high-ranking Muslim officials in North Africa. Baepler also provides fascinating background commentary that puts the narratives into historical perspective. He includes two “fictional” narratives of female captives. (According to Baepler, Christian women captives of the Barbary states – unlike male captives – usually did not publish their testimonies under their real names, due to the fact that many of them had been “dishonored” by service in the harems of Barbary potentates.)

As Baepler notes in his introduction, Christian slaves of European ancestry were hardly an uncommon phenomenon in the Barbary States. The Barbary pirates were excellent seafarers and, from the Coasts of North Africa, sailed as far north as Iceland (where they went ashore and captured 800 slaves during one incident) and as far West as Newfoundland, Canada, where they pillaged more than 40 vessels at one time. By 1620, reports Baepler, there were more than 20,000 white Christian slaves in Algiers alone, and by the 1630s that number tolled more than 30,000 men and 2,000 women. The most famous of all white Christian Europeans to serve as a slave in the Barbary States was probably Miguel de Cervantes, the great Spanish author of the “Don Quixote” epic, who was taken as a slave in the late 1500s.
An Important Source of Revenue

European and (later on) American slaves appeared to have been important source of foreign revenue for the local economies for several centuries. First, European and (later) American governments paid huge sums in “tribute” to the Muslim governments in exchange for “peace treaties” that were supposed to halt the pirate attacks on their trading and naval ships. Those nations who did not pay suffered the consequences. Second, enslaved Europeans and Americans were often redeemed for a handsome ransom. And third, even if the Muslim governments received no “tribute” or ransom, they still benefited from the unpaid labor of their captives.

Baepler quotes a Barbary Coast maxim that illustrates the viewpoints of the pirates and their sponsoring states: “The Christians who would be on good terms with [the Barbary States] must [either] fight well or pay well.”

The first-person narratives reproduced in this book do not support the often-repeated contention that slavery was somehow a more human institution in the Islamic world than it was in the European colonies of the New World.

By and large, the Christian slaves were poorly fed and housed, existing, by one account, on a meager ration of two slices of bread and a small quantity of beans per day. Clothing – and medical care -- was provided by sympathetic free Europeans living in North Africa; slave-owners provided nothing. Spanish Catholic priests even built a large hospital in Algeria to look after ill and dying Christian slaves.

The most popular punishment was the “bastinado” – hundreds of blows on the soles of the feet with a thick wooden truncheon. For more severe offenses, such as attempting to escape or ridiculing the Muslim religion or prophet, slaves were executed in particularly cruel ways: by crucifixion, burning at the stake or impalement on huge iron hooks until death. The narrators of these slave accounts witnessed many acts of brutality toward the Christian slaves, as well as toward the general North African populace ruled over by the elite: the beys, deys and bashaws of the Barbary States.

Baepler quotes from, but does not include, the narrative of one James Riley, an American Barbary captive of the early 1800s who published a book about his experiences upon returning to the United States. The book became an influential “best-seller” in the young nation of the USA and influenced those Americans who worked for abolition of the shameful practice of Black African slavery in the Southern States of the USA. Riley’s book was said to have greatly influenced one young lawyer named Abraham Lincoln, who, as 16th president of the United States, signed the Emancipation Proclamation abolishing slavery in the U.S. in 1863.

As for the Barbary pirate slave trade, it continued sporadically up until the dawn of the 20th Century, and was not abolished until military and economic pressure was applied by the colonial powers of Europe (with, in come cases, assistance from the military might of the USA).


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Re: Islamic Slavery In Africa by DickDastardly(m): 5:41pm On Sep 04, 2014
When it has to do with islam i normally choose to walk away these days.

Check the bottom of my profile to see why angry

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Re: Islamic Slavery In Africa by PAGAN9JA(m): 7:28pm On Sep 04, 2014
You cannot compare the treatment of Arab slaves to European slavery. That I can speak for. Arab slaves were mostly treated as family members and many rose to high positions. Many even became kings. Read about the mamluks of Egypt, India , etc.

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Re: Islamic Slavery In Africa by am0sn0nyu: 12:22am On Sep 19, 2014
PAGAN9JA: You cannot compare the treatment of Arab slaves to European slavery. That I can speak for. Arab slaves were mostly treated as family members and many rose to high positions. Many even became kings. Read about the mamluks of Egypt, India , etc.
PAGAN9JA I respect you, but surely you don't know much on this sensitive subject. Without really needing to type many words, the following images and their corresponding links below should be sufficient.

Image 1: After declaring a ban on slavery in early 1800s, Britain enforced the ban of slavery on other nations. Here is a batch slaves

Image 2: African slaves used by their Arab slave master in Africa

Iamge 3: Africans slaves left to die off in the desert by Arabs slavers.

Image 4: Francis Bok (former Sudanese slave)

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Re: Islamic Slavery In Africa by am0sn0nyu: 12:26am On Sep 19, 2014
see images

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Re: Islamic Slavery In Africa by am0sn0nyu: 2:51pm On Sep 20, 2014
PAGAN9JA: You cannot compare the treatment of Arab slaves to European slavery. That I can speak for. Arab slaves were mostly treated as family members and many rose to high positions. Many even became kings. Read about the mamluks of Egypt, India , etc.
more

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Re: Islamic Slavery In Africa by PAGAN9JA(m): 4:56pm On Sep 20, 2014
am0sn0nyu: PAGAN9JA I respect you, but surely you don't know much on this sensitive subject. Without really needing to type many words, the following images and their corresponding links below should be sufficient.

Image 1: After declaring a ban on slavery in early 1800s, Britain enforced the ban of slavery on other nations. Here is a batch slaves

Image 2: African slaves used by their Arab slave master in Africa

Iamge 3: Africans slaves left to die off in the desert by Arabs slavers.

Image 4: Francis Bok (former Sudanese slave)

1) True. However it was too late by then. millions of slaves had already been transported by then. Britain turned on a better leaf towards its later stage but the rough treatment in its former colonies continued. Britain conquered the americas as well, destroying many Native tribes. by the time they left, the damage had already been done. Britain was the cause of a lot of damage in the world. and then made attempts to wash its hands off it. E.g., creation of israel, etc.

Look I am not denying African slavery by Arabs.

but if you compare the household treatment of Arab slaves to White slaves, you will know what I am talking about.

One of the only serious bad treatment of Arab slaves was the eunuch system and the horrible ordeals they had to go through to lose their manhood. but later on , they were most highly priced and owned by rich classes as harem guards. THey would normally rise to the highest positions of Governor, etc., since they were most trustworthy.

the other bad things was religious conversion, transportation conditions, etc. and slavery itself ofcourse.

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Re: Islamic Slavery In Africa by ghostofsparta(m): 5:14pm On Sep 25, 2014
Khalessi:
America was built on a Godly foundation. Now all that is lost.
First of all let it be known to you that the founding fathers of America were deistic who modeled their constitution after humanistic principles rather than the religious ideology that plunged the nation they emigrated from into draconian worlds, not only that, for they also very much knew that their new settled continent would definitely descend into a totalitarian system as it was in almost every part of monarchical Europe. So they came up with a constitution wherein the State affair is separated from religion, elevating their society with libertarian philosophies, hence America being the liberal and understanding society it is today which is the foundation that has been nurturing their growth. Don't be deceived by their 'In God We Trust' and 'God's Own Country' slogan for Americans believe in the might of the gun before any God. They never consulted God before invading Vietnam, they never consulted God before assuming to police the world (which I'm in support of) for any nation can do the same if they possess the same might and strength they have and still accommodate from intellectualism to technologies, yeah other nation can do it ONLY if religion is stamped out like the Americans founding fathers did. Click here to see images of their founding fathers giving no credence whatsoever to Christianity (But ofcourse that's after their European predecessors employed Christianity as a potent too to wipe out the original land owning native Indians) just as the Arabs did and are still doing to Africans through Arabisization under numerous jihadic campaigns waged by their black-arabs slaves throughout Africa! just as we have Boko-haram in Nigeria, al-Shabaab-al-mujahideen in Somalia, and the supporter of APC used by al-Bashir to murder millions of non-Muslim blacks in Sudan south in the name of religious cleansing disguised as civil war to the world.

Perhaps, maybe by 'Godly foundation' you are referring to the cruelty and annihilation the conquering forefathers from Europe met on the red Indian natives (who are the original inhabitants of what is now known today as USA). Are you aware that they European colonialists utilized three tools; Religion (Christianity), Bio-warfare(Diseases) and Technology (superior arms and weapons) to expurgate the so-justified native Indian heathens off their massive lands from Canada down to New Mexico, after which, they descended on Africans for slaves to work their usurped New World. Regardless of, however...of the two-most evil doers, we should be forgiven and to an extent, be grateful for the transatlantic slavery in a way because Arabs who had long been enslaving blacks in Africa before Spain was even hijacked over by the Moorish Arab. Arab enslavement on Africa was not only the longest, it was far more heinous, devastating and still destabilizing that it makes the Jewish holocaust seem puerile, like comparing the lizards(Jewish holocaust) to dinosaur(lost and destroyed African kingdoms and Arab enslavement). The Arabs had been enslaving black Africans for centuries before the exploring Europeans set foot on the shores of coastal Africa. Today, a whole lot of African-Americans still exist in The New World aka America and elsewhere in the diaspora being the descendants of our enslaved forefathers who were nevertheless allowed to procreate among themselves, but the same can not be said of the Arab enslavement of Africans who were chained-marched across the Sahara desert to various Arab conquered nations where they were sold off after been to turned to eunuchs as demanded by the Arab slave merchants from the Arab slave-dealers in various bazaars, the Arab slave merchants purchases the castrated African male slaves on behalf of the sheiks who would not like the slaves responding to an erection when ordered to fetch their wives from their harem quarters. Thus, the African slaves in Arab world were denied their right to reproduce by mating with their African she-slaves who were used for sex-slaves and other dehumanizing purposes, and hence the reason why no African-arabs can be seen today in Arab countries, the way African-americans such as Will Smith, Opera Winfrey, Eddie Murphy, Denzel Washington etc can be seen by the world. Invading arabs sustained centuries of enslavement of Africans by causing ripple effect through successive jihad to which it is from destabilized African kingdoms and societies successful slave-raids can be executed. The Arabs had many agent to do this for them, among which are the Fulanis, Touaregs, Bedouins etc who fired flaming arrow to burn down huts in villages wherein scampering Africans are captured in to a life of slavery, this and other techniques the used are detailed in several books such as Arab Muslim World: Architect of Slavery in Africa by Jean Marie Dia (Barnes & Noble), Slavery In The Arab World by Murray Gordon and Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism, and Slavery by M.A. Khan. The fulani jihadist 'Uthman Dan Fodio, is portrayed in our school textbook as an excellent warrior who wage war against the evil inhabitants of Hausaland is nothing but a ruse, the jihadists alone was said to have maintained the greatest slave empire in West-African alone who I read in one old publication committed r@pery of very young girls. They (Fulani Arabs) still continue to effect instability on us through the use of government, politics, deliberate economic strangulation as justified through their still burning jihadistic campaign to dip the Koran into the sea coasts of West Africa. Basically, the Greeks never enslaved Africans as it was one of their laws, the Europeans did but wasn't as devastating to what the Arabs who have been enslaving Africans before the Euro-americans came. The Arabs never intended even long after the whites abolished it in America and Europe, that's why today they are black still sold as slaves in countries like Mauritania


PAGAN9JA:

1) True. However it was too late by then. millions of slaves had already been transported by then. Britain turned on a better leaf towards its later stage but the rough treatment in its former colonies continued. Britain conquered the americas as well, destroying many Native tribes. by the time they left, the damage had already been done. Britain was the cause of a lot of damage in the world. and then made attempts to wash its hands off it. E.g., creation of israel, etc.

Look I am not denying African slavery by Arabs.

but if you compare the household treatment of Arab slaves to White slaves, you will know what I am talking about.

One of the only serious bad treatment of Arab slaves was the eunuch system and the horrible ordeals they had to go through to lose their manhood. but later on , they were most highly priced and owned by rich classes as harem guards. THey would normally rise to the highest positions of Governor, etc., since they were most trustworthy.

the other bad things was religious conversion, transportation conditions, etc. and slavery itself ofcourse.

Arabs are the worst for they have never showed any form of remorse for what they did to the black Africans they enslaved,
Euro-americans have apologized in various ways (the Arabs will never do this),
Euro-americans have written numerous books on it where it was detailed and condemned (the Arabs haven't done this)
Euro-americans have shot countless documentaries and movies to show the world the evil their fore-fathers did (the arabs would never do this)
Euro-american supply aids and assistance to 3rd world African countries in various forms including DV-Lottery, etc (the arabs will never do this)

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Re: Islamic Slavery In Africa by LastProphet: 7:19am On Oct 05, 2014
ghostofsparta:


Arabs were the worst for they have never showed any form of remorse for what they did to Africans,
Euro-americans have apologized in various ways (the Arabs will never do this),
Euro-americans have written numerous books on it where it was detailed and condemned (the Arabs haven't done this)
Euro-americans have shot countless documentaries and movies to show the world the evil their fore-fathers did (the arabs would never do this)
Euro-american supply aids and assistance to 3rd world African countries in various forms including DV-Lottery, etc (the arabs will never do this)


First of all let it be known to you that the founding fathers of America were deistic who modeled their constitution after humanistic principles rather than the religious ideology that plunged the nation they emigrated from into draconian worlds, not only that, for they also very much knew that their new inhabited continent would definitely descend into a totalitarian system as it was in almost of Europe. So they came up with a constitution wherein the State affair is separated from religion, elevating their society with libertarian philosophies, hence America been the liberal and understanding society it is today which is the foundation that has been nurturing their growth. Don't be deceived by their 'In God We Trust' and 'God's Own Country' slogan for Americans believe in the might of the gun before any God. They never consulted God before invading Vietnam, they never consulted God before assuming to police the world (which I'm in support of) for any nation can do the same if they possess the same might and strength they have and generate from intellectualism to technologies, yeah other nation can do it ONLY if religion is stamped out like the Americans did. Click here to see images of their founding fathers giving no credence whatsoever to Christianity (But ofcourse that's after their European predecessors employed religion to wipe out the former land owners) just as the Arabs did and are still doing to Africans through Arabisization under numerous jihadic campaigns waged by their black-arabs slaves throughout Africa! just as we have Boko-haram in Nigeria, al-Shabaab-al-mujahideen in Somalia, and the supporter of APC used by al-Bashir to murder millions of non-Muslim blacks in Sudan south in the name of religious cleansing disguised as civil war to the world.

Perhaps, maybe by 'Godly foundation' you are referring to the cruelty and annihilation the conquering forefathers from Europe met on the red Indian natives (who are the original inhabitants of what is now known today as USA). Are you aware that they European colonialists utilized three tools; Religion (Christianity), Bio-warfare(Diseases) and Technology (superior arms and weapons) to expurgate the so-justified native Indian heathens off their massive lands from Canada down to New Mexico, after which, they descended on Africans for slaves to work their usurped New World. Regardless of, however...of the two-most evil doers, we should be forgiven and to an extent, be grateful for the transatlantic slavery in a way because Arabs who had long been enslaving blacks in Africa before Spain was even hijacked over by the Moorish Arab. Arab enslavement on Africa was not only the longest, it was far more heinous, devastating and still destabilizing that it makes the Jewish holocaust seem puerile, like comparing the lizards(Jewish holocaust) to dinosaur(lost and destroyed African kingdoms and Arab enslavement). The Arabs had been enslaving black Africans for centuries before the exploring Europeans set foot on the shores of coastal Africa. Today, a whole lot of African-Americans still exist in The New World aka America and elsewhere in the diaspora being the descendants of our enslaved forefathers who were nevertheless allowed to procreate among themselves, but the same can not be said of the Arab enslavement of Africans who were chained-marched across the Sahara desert to various Arab conquered nations where they were sold off after been to turned to eunuchs as demanded by the Arab slave merchants from the Arab slave-dealers in various bazaars, the Arab slave merchants purchases the castrated African male slaves on behalf of the sheiks who would not like the slaves responding to an erection when ordered to fetch their wives from their harem quarters. Thus, the African slaves in Arab world were denied their right to reproduce by mating with their African she-slaves who were used for sex-slaves and other dehumanizing purposes, and hence the reason why no African-arabs can be seen today in Arab countries, the way African-americans such as Will Smith, Opera Winfrey, Eddie Murphy, Denzel Washington etc can be seen by the world. Invading arabs sustained centuries of enslavement of Africans by causing ripple effect through successive jihad to which it is from destabilized African kingdoms and societies successful slave-raids can be executed. The Arabs had many agent to do this for them, among which are the Fulanis, Touaregs, Bedouins etc who fired flaming arrow to burn down huts in villages wherein scampering Africans are captured in to a life of slavery, this and other techniques the used are detailed in several books such as Arab Muslim World: Architect of Slavery in Africa by Jean Marie Dia (Barnes & Noble), Slavery In The Arab World by Murray Gordon and Islamic Jihad: A Legacy of Forced Conversion, Imperialism, and Slavery by M.A. Khan. The fulani jihadist 'Uthman Dan Fodio, is portrayed in our school textbook as an excellent warrior who wage war against the evil inhabitants of Hausaland is nothing but a ruse, the jihadists alone was said to have maintained the greatest slave empire in West-African alone who I read in one old publication committed r@pery of very young girls. They (Fulani Arabs) still continue to effect instability on us through the use of government, politics, deliberate economic strangulation as justified through their still burning jihadistic campaign to dip the Koran into the sea coasts of West Africa. Basically, the Greeks never enslaved Africans as it was one of their laws, the Europeans did but wasn't as devastating to what the Arabs who have been enslaving Africans before the Euro-americans came. The Arabs never intended even long after the whites abolished it in America and Europe, that's why today they are black still sold as slaves in countries like Mauritania


If you want see more images of what you see below about Arab slavery in Africans click here to visit the thread on Nairaland.

My brother i honour you, i never never knew there were others like me who are seeing the real enemies - arabs and their religion. God willbless you and who ever sent you to school. Many blacks are not aware that the west are far far far better than arabs, its amazing. And i hope you see the reasoon for this widespread ignorance here on nairaland? You see only few have participated in this most important point you raised, they all wish you had talked about tuface or mercy johnson

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Re: Islamic Slavery In Africa by ghostofsparta(m): 7:39am On Oct 05, 2014
LastProphet:


My brother i honour you, i never never knew there were others like me who are seeing the real enemies - arabs and their religion. God willbless you and who ever sent you to school. Many blacks are not aware that the west are far far far better than arabs, its amazing. And i hope you see the reasoon for this widespread ignorance here on nairaland? You see only few have participated in this most important point you raised, they all wish you had talked about tuface or mercy johnson

Egbon the thing dey vex me gan, most of my religionists pals even hates me for raising these points very often for asking them how can they be so loving of these religions whose owners and peddlers hates their forefathers so much they enslaved them off as justified from the same holy-book they now refer every aspect of this life to. Just to have any intelligent discussions, they quickly quote either from the bible or quran, according to the Timothy 2nd, according to Suratul this, suratul that...

And by the way...I hope you aren't referring to Yawheh either?

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Re: Islamic Slavery In Africa by LastProphet: 4:24pm On Oct 05, 2014
ghostofsparta:


Egbon the thing dey vex me gan, most of my religionists pals even hates me for raising this points very often for asking them how can they be so loving of religions whose owners and peddlers hates their forefathers so much they enslaved them off as justified from the same holy-book they now refer every aspect of this life to. Just to have any intelligent discussions, they quickly quote either from the bible or quran, according to the Timothy 2nd, according to Suratul this, suratul that...

And by the way...I hope you aren't referring to Yawheh either?

hahahaha, abeg me na just humanist oh though with christian parents, but last time in church was around 1997. Bros we get big fight with the ignorance pervading our entire populace but we must continue to speak, i appreciate you. Lets talk time to time, honoured to meet you.

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Re: Islamic Slavery In Africa by ghostofsparta(m): 5:14pm On Oct 05, 2014
LastProphet:


hahahaha, abeg me na just humanist oh though with christian parents, but last time in church was around 1997. Bros we get big fight with the ignorance pervading our entire populace but we must continue to speak, i appreciate you. Lets talk time to time, honoured to meet you.
No wahala, but it's not a fight we've got with our fellow brothers and sisters, it's a course of enlightenment. You could follow me to keep up with my posts from time to time.
Re: Islamic Slavery In Africa by LastProphet: 9:36pm On Oct 05, 2014
ghostofsparta:

No wahala, but it's not a fight we've got with our fellow brothers and sisters, it's a course of enlightenment. You could follow me to keep up with my posts from time to time.

Ok, gratitude
Re: Islamic Slavery In Africa by beejaay: 12:09am On Oct 06, 2014
Ghostofsparta u are so onpoint.its just sad that people are oblivion of this fact.am from deeply islamic family and sometimes i feel the urge to speak out load on the fact to them about all this but i just always control d urge cos discusing issues like this require that the person av an expanded imagintaive power and also willing to use it.personally i have not read so much on slavery on both front but from looking at the residuals of different cultures, someone with a sound imaginations can easily reconstruct the fact together to perfection.looking at arab cultures its pretty easy to see the arrogance of human usage in them,by looking at my emir in ilorin,i can easily travel back in time to see how it all began.thanks for those books u quoted i will add them to my library

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Re: Islamic Slavery In Africa by Nobody: 12:21am On Oct 06, 2014
Op,Islam never supported slavery,infact prophet Muhammed pbuh paid bilal's master to turn Bilal (a slave)into a free man,if u want to talk about arab and slavery good but don't associate Islam with slavery

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Re: Islamic Slavery In Africa by ghostofsparta(m): 11:50am On Oct 06, 2014
yemaldo:
Op,Islam never supported slavery,infact prophet Muhammed pbuh paid bilal's master to turn Bilal (a slave)into a free man,if u want to talk about arab and slavery good but don't associate Islam with slavery
Thank you for buttressing my main point, that is - Islam is a slavish religion that endorses its enslavement of dark-skinned humans considered 'Kaffirs' and condones as it endorses aggression. I downloaded several videos of Muslims severing the heads of women for allegedly committing adultery, beheading of men and the popular boko haram videos of gore all over the internet.

It can also be deduced from your reply that Islam is basically an Arab believe system with a knack for sexual slavery as it apparent in modern times, a faith that was violently spread by the same Arabs who enslaved black Africans for millennia which yourself acknowledged it 'the enslavement of blacks such as Bilal whom to which Muhammad was so overwhelmed with such piety that he paid the Arab slave owner of Bilal (a dark-skinned African slave) to let him be. So there's no point arguing it off, it's clear that Islam is synonymous with the Arabs just as Judaism is to the Jews, likewise Tao, Hinduism, Buddhism etc is with their respective ethnicity.

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Re: Islamic Slavery In Africa by delishpot: 7:32pm On Oct 06, 2014
LastProphet:


My brother i honour you, i never never knew there were others like me who are seeing the real enemies - arabs and their religion. God willbless you and who ever sent you to school. Many blacks are not aware that the west are far far far better than arabs, its amazing. And i hope you see the reasoon for this widespread ignorance here on nairaland? You see only few have participated in this most important point you raised, they all wish you had talked about tuface or mercy johnson

My brother no be small. How a grown human can wake up and prefere one slave master to the other. Both rapped the women, both killed his people, both denied his people their rights as humans, both castrated his young men, both crushed dreams, both put his people to work against their will yet he looks around and say one slave master is more desirable. Why wont they return again for round 2?
Na wa.
At least oyinbo look round see say the religion dem decide to follow preach love then some of them decide to do as the good book said. Last time I checked the true arab man sees and knows no love. Heck he will stone his own daughter like a dog in the streets if she smiles at a man.

Islam is slavery. Isnt forced conversion slavery? Most people are muslims cos their fore fathers were enslaved to be muslems or die by the sword. Even today many christians are forced into islamic slavery. if christians force muslems to convert or die, wouldnt it be seen as slavery? Convert to Islam or die Its the main conversion method and its slavery.

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Re: Islamic Slavery In Africa by LastProphet: 8:28am On Oct 07, 2014
delishpot:


My brother no be small. How a grown human can wake up and prefere one slave master to the other. Both rapped the women, both killed his people, both denied his people their rights as humans, both castrated his young men, both crushed dreams, both put his people to work against their will yet he looks around and say one slave master is more desirable. Why wont they return again for round 2?
Na wa.
At least oyinbo look round see say the religion dem decide to follow preach love then some of them decide to do as the good book said. Last time I checked the true arab man sees and knows no love. Heck he will stone his own daughter like a dog in the streets if she smiles at a man.

Islam is slavery. Isnt forced conversion slavery? Most people are muslims cos their fore fathers were enslaved to be muslems or die by the sword. Even today many christians are forced into islamic slavery. if christians force muslems to convert or die, wouldnt it be seen as slavery? Convert to Islam or die Its the main conversion method and its slavery.

True talk my brother, am just waiting for the day the world will put aside their yeye diplomacy and face this obvious evil called islam

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Re: Islamic Slavery In Africa by mkpakanaodogwu(m): 10:08am On Oct 07, 2014
Africa is in a crossroad of confusion,corruption is not our highest religion is

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Re: Islamic Slavery In Africa by Nobody: 9:30am On Oct 27, 2014
I love this thread.

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Re: Islamic Slavery In Africa by ghostofsparta(m): 8:26am On Oct 28, 2014
Joavid:
I love this thread.
What's there to love when you should be awakened to the atrociousness of the agents of Abrahamic religions. Siding with Christianity as the fairest of the evil two? Anyway share it, post it on your twitter and facebook.

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Re: Islamic Slavery In Africa by JackBizzle: 9:08am On Oct 28, 2014
PAGAN9JA:


1) True. However it was too late by then. millions of slaves had already been transported by then. Britain turned on a better leaf towards its later stage but the rough treatment in its former colonies continued. Britain conquered the americas as well, destroying many Native tribes. by the time they left, the damage had already been done. Britain was the cause of a lot of damage in the world. and then made attempts to wash its hands off it. E.g., creation of israel, etc.

Look I am not denying African slavery by Arabs.

but if you compare the household treatment of Arab slaves to White slaves, you will know what I am talking about.

One of the only serious bad treatment of Arab slaves was the eunuch system and the horrible ordeals they had to go through to lose their manhood. but later on , they were most highly priced and owned by rich classes as harem guards. THey would normally rise to the highest positions of Governor, etc., since they were most trustworthy.


the other bad things was religious conversion, transportation conditions, etc. and slavery itself ofcourse.



When did you become an Arab history remixer/romanticist like Tbaba?

Arab/Islamic slavery of Africans was worse!

-Many of the slaves were killed. (how many slave descendants do you see in Arab lands?)
-Castration
-Walking across deserts to death
-Forced conversion
-Denial

The last one is the most painful...the Arabs never apologised and the Nigerian muslim keeps denying islamic involvement in slavery.

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Re: Islamic Slavery In Africa by GooseBaba: 8:38pm On Oct 30, 2014
The residual madness of abrahamic destruction still continues in the minds of gullible africans that refuse to reason objectively without subjecting themselves to mental enslavement.

The other day we saw a sitting president going on religious priglimage to worship another man's god. While the other candidates vying for the position of presidency are already going on their own pilgrimage to worship another god in a different country. Smh

All it takes is for one to emancipate themselves from mental slavery. And it's really simple.. Critical and objective thinking that you have no option but to expand your mind and gain enlightenment through research, research and more research.... Knownledge is constant we learn everyday. The mind/brain is powerful, but a terrible thing to waste...

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Re: Islamic Slavery In Africa by true2god: 9:19pm On Oct 30, 2014
JackBizzle:




When did you become an Arab history remixer/romanticist like Tbaba?

Arab/Islamic slavery of Africans was worse!

-Many of the slaves were killed. (how many slave descendants do you see in Arab lands?)
-Castration
-Walking across deserts to death
-Forced conversion
-Denial

The last one is the most painful...the Arabs never apologised and the Nigerian muslim keeps denying islamic involvement in slavery.

Why will they apologize when alllah had sanctioned them to enslave blacks while black muslims are defending them (the evil islamic arabs) on nairaland.

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Re: Islamic Slavery In Africa by GooseBaba: 11:02pm On Oct 30, 2014
JackBizzle:




When did you become an Arab history remixer/romanticist like Tbaba?

Arab/Islamic slavery of Africans was worse!

-Many of the slaves were killed. (how many slave descendants do you see in Arab lands?)
-Castration
-Walking across deserts to death
-Forced conversion
-Denial

The last one is the most painful...the Arabs never apologised and the Nigerian muslim keeps denying islamic involvement in slavery.


Fuvk the Arabs .. The most painful and disturbing is the Nigerians armed with such historical data /information, but he/she is eager to distort and destroy what is left of their heritage just so they can fully dwell in their delusion.

The past is the past... But we MUST learn from the past and not dwell on them or let it repeat itself again. Fuvk the Arabs for their arrogance...!!! But be mindful and vigilant of their slaves (african muslims)... When next the killings in the name of Allah takes place in Nigeria or Africa the Arab is no where in sight..

The future is what we should worry about... I'm yet to see an Arab in the ranks of boko boys... But needless to say fuvk the Arabs..!!

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Re: Islamic Slavery In Africa by rinrin23(f): 12:29pm On Oct 31, 2014
GooseBaba:
The residual madness of abrahamic destruction still continues in the minds of gullible africans that refuse to reason objectively without subjecting themselves to mental enslavement.

The other day we saw a sitting president going on religious priglimage to worship another man's god. While the other candidates vying for the position of presidency are already going on their own pilgrimage to worship another god in a different country. Smh

All it takes is for one to emancipate themselves from mental slavery. And it's really simple.. Critical and objective thinking that you have no option but to expand your mind and gain enlightenment through research, research and more research.... Knownledge is constant we learn everyday. The mind/brain is powerful, but a terrible thing to waste...


The unfortunate truth is that we are still colonized- mentally and spiritually. Nigerians are so pre-occupied with the present that they do not look back into their history. If we really look back our forefathers adopted these religions for strategic purposes (access to education, better lives, trade, etc), most were forced, other strong-wiled ones where killed for not adopting/converting.

Adolf Hitler- 'The man who has no sense of history, is like a man who has no ears or eyes'

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Re: Islamic Slavery In Africa by JackBizzle: 12:39pm On Oct 31, 2014
rinrin23:


The unfortunate truth is that we are still colonized- mentally and spiritually. Nigerians are so pre-occupied with the present that they do not look back into their history. If we really look back our forefathers adopted these religions for strategic purposes (access to education, better lives, trade, etc), most were forced, other strong-wiled ones where killed for not adopting/converting.

Adolf Hitler- 'The man who has no sense of history, is like a man who has no ears or eyes'



It is a very pitiful situation.

We Nigerians worship our slave masters

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Re: Islamic Slavery In Africa by GooseBaba: 7:00pm On Oct 31, 2014
rinrin23:


The unfortunate truth is that we are still colonized- mentally and spiritually. Nigerians are so pre-occupied with the present that they do not look back into their history. If we really look back our forefathers adopted these religions for strategic purposes (access to education, better lives, trade, etc), most were forced, other strong-wiled ones where killed for not adopting/converting.

Adolf Hitler- 'The man who has no sense of history, is like a man who has no ears or eyes'

Exactly.... It reminds me of the protectorates. Reading on how the colonialist and missionaries worked to undermine the locals/traditionalist by denying them rights to participate in government, economic or education. It's only beneficial to join them if you can't beat them.

Most of the readings on early christians converts in Nigeria has one common understanding. They sought to gain what the colonialist and missionaries were denying the traditionalist. This madness of abrahamic faithful of today is worrisome. I wonder what rock bottom would be like before they finally put humanity and common sense before god's of the middle east..

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Re: Islamic Slavery In Africa by rinrin23(f): 9:41pm On Oct 31, 2014
GooseBaba:


Exactly.... It reminds me of the protectorates. Reading on how the colonialist and missionaries worked to undermine the locals/traditionalist by denying them rights to participate in government, economic or education. It's only beneficial to join them if you can't beat them.

Most of the readings on early christians converts in Nigeria has one common understanding. They sought to gain what the colonialist and missionaries were denying the traditionalist. This madness of abrahamic faithful of today is worrisome. I wonder what rock bottom would be like before they finally put humanity and common sense before god's of the middle east..

Patiently waiting for rock bottom, from that position there is no where else to go but up.

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Re: Islamic Slavery In Africa by ghostofsparta(m): 11:30pm On Oct 31, 2014
JackBizzle:




It is a very pitiful situation.

We Nigerians worship our slave masters
We are told that we are Nigerians by the same agents of the Euro-arab slavers. It's best you say we Afrikans worship our slave masters, and mind you, it isn't all of us.
GooseBaba:


Fuvk the Arabs .. The most painful and disturbing is the Nigerians armed with such historical data /information, but he/she is eager to distort and destroy what is left of their heritage just so they can fully dwell in their delusion.

The past is the past... But we MUST learn from the past and not dwell on them or let it repeat itself again. Fuvk the Arabs for their arrogance...!!! But be mindful and vigilant of their slaves (african muslims)... When next the killings in the name of Allah takes place in Nigeria or Africa the Arab is no where in sight..

The future is what we should worry about... I'm yet to see an Arab in the ranks of boko boys... But needless to say fuvk the Arabs..!!
YEAH....PHUCK THE SEMITIC ARABS AND JEWS AND THOSE OF THEIR PHUCKIN EUROPEANS...for what they did to black Africans. Africans of Africa made Europe, the middle east and America what it is it today. Their glory today is the direct result of the sweats, human slavery and cheap labor of dark skinned Africans. From the thieving Greeks who stole all their knowledge from Africa.

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Re: Islamic Slavery In Africa by Atigba: 11:03am On Nov 01, 2014
When will this thread make front page

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Re: Islamic Slavery In Africa by JackBizzle: 11:48am On Nov 01, 2014
mynd44, oam4j

Atigba:
When will this thread make front page

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