JESUSchoice: Scoring goals doesn't make u the greatest player ever, ..Now take a look at zinedine zidane who has won world best player three consecutive times,he hasn't scored much goals like goerge best and gerd muller did, but he was pretty good with magical dribbles,penalty,freekicks, ball control,and no look passes,he helps theiry henry and da rest of d goalies in 2006 world cup until an italian figured out a way to send him off da field by provoking him.....Messi has a good scoring record ,no doupts ,but he just hasn't nailed it yet,yaaaaah atleast i haven't seen him do any famous dribbling skillz, (like ronaldo's step over,maradona's both leg feints etc)...i dnt hate him sha,..he has shot acuracy,gud timing ,and a lot of fakes and feints move around defenders....i give it to CHRISTIANO RONALDO for SKILLs/SCORING, LIONEL MESSI is a BORN SCORER .....they r both da best.

JESUSchoice: Scoring goals doesn't make u the greatest player ever, ..Now take a look at zinedine zidane who has won world best player three consecutive times,he hasn't scored much goals like goerge best and gerd muller did, but he was pretty good with magical dribbles,penalty,freekicks, ball control,and no look passes,he helps theiry henry and da rest of d goalies in 2006 world cup until an italian figured out a way to send him off da field by provoking him.....Messi has a good scoring record ,no doupts ,but he just hasn't nailed it yet,yaaaaah atleast i haven't seen him do any famous dribbling skillz, (like ronaldo's step over,maradona's both leg feints etc)...i dnt hate him sha,..he has shot acuracy,gud timing ,and a lot of fakes and feints move around defenders....i give it to CHRISTIANO RONALDO for SKILLs/SCORING, LIONEL MESSI is a BORN SCORER .....they r both da best.

Endowed595: You pple are not serious, When does messi ever mark or husle ball, Ronaldo is way way better in free kick, shot power, speed, aerial balls..... Messi is just a lazy goal scorere.....Suarez don show nw

Iamzuna:

I dont get your point. So dribbling is now a what makes a player better or the best abi, then if you know like Denilson, Okocha, Hleb and a whole lot of other players then you wil know that it is just a gift and does not make any player the best because you must have techniqe wit your so called skills.

Now Ronaldo can do 10000step overs but that does not mean he can beat 4/5 playes at a go like Messi does. You are just being sentimental because everyone has been WOWed at how the ball sticks to Messi's feet and how he can beat as much as 6 players at a time. No matter how good you are, you dare not play 1 or just 2 man against Messi cos he will make a meal of them no matta how good they are (ask Hummels and others). Now you dont need 5 man to mark Ronaldo because Juanfran, Alves, Puyol, Ashley Cole and a lot more defendes have single handedly kept out Ronaldo over and over again.

Now talking about goals, sorry to say but you cowardly mentioned that forgetting that your man Ronaldo scores a whole lot of goals as well. Messi and Ronalde have a good ratio of scoring goals so i see no point in debating here because anytin you have said on this point applies to Ronaldo.

You mentioned Zidane (a great player as that can never be denied) been sent off because some1 upset him, was he not on the field for more than 90 minutes like others or he needed extra 90 right (bro no 1 is perfect) even Zidane was not marked as Messi is been marked today.

Now its good you mentioned they are both the best, but you spoiled it again by saying that Ronaldo is better because he has skills. Have you heard Pele or Maradona talking about Ronaldo before or heard them comparing Ronaldo with themselves even with his skills? We are only having this debate because Messi was injured for most of last season. Let me do a quick stats for you (early last season in La liga b4 injury, Messi had 8 goals in as many as 6 goals before the injury and Ronaldo had 2 goals. Ronaldo had scored 28 when Messi came baq frm injury and we all know how it ended, Ronaldo with 31 goals and Messi with 28). So just imagine that he was not injured. So i tink you Ronaldo fans should be happy for last season and compare both players on what they played last season othewise there is no way you can compare them.

Just this weekend when both players played for their teams what happened? Messi did not score but helped his team with 2 assists to win the game and Ronaldo, he dived, scored the penalty and that was his contribution? Still they lost at home. My point is that Messi's goals is an addition to his exceptional play.

cotzywitzy:


Some people be mumu.. do you really know what loyalty means... when talking about loyalty its not about staying with a particular club, tell me Mikel staying at Chelsea is loyalty the fool is scared of leaving cause of one his wages and knows he would never matter in any other team... Ronaldo proved to the world that he can conquer any league he finds himself... Messi should try that before we can give him accolades... I see messi as someone that would never leave his comfort zone not now that he's got no more tricks in his bag... #TeamCR7

RayMcBlue:


You couldn't be more wrong. Statistically speaking, there is more probability for short players to go down to flimsy tackles compared to taller ones. For example, you rarely see Ibrahimovic or Pogba taking a tumble compared to the frequency of dives per game from shorter players like Aguero and Alexis Sanchez.

Messi is a player to whom taking a dive is an unknown desire, which leads to one of my favorite videos of his exploits:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0gS5CshUDE

JESUSchoice: Once again, i am beaten!

Iamzuna:

I dont get your point. So dribbling is now a what makes a player better or the best abi, then if you know like Denilson, Okocha, Hleb and a whole lot of other players then you wil know that it is just a gift and does not make any player the best because you must have techniqe wit your so called skills.

Now Ronaldo can do 10000step overs but that does not mean he can beat 4/5 playes at a go like Messi does. You are just being sentimental because everyone has been WOWed at how the ball sticks to Messi's feet and how he can beat as much as 6 players at a time. No matter how good you are, you dare not play 1 or just 2 man against Messi cos he will make a meal of them no matta how good they are (ask Hummels and others). Now you dont need 5 man to mark Ronaldo because Juanfran, Alves, Puyol, Ashley Cole and a lot more defendes have single handedly kept out Ronaldo over and over again.

Now talking about goals, sorry to say but you cowardly mentioned that forgetting that your man Ronaldo scores a whole lot of goals as well. Messi and Ronalde have a good ratio of scoring goals so i see no point in debating here because anytin you have said on this point applies to Ronaldo.

You mentioned Zidane (a great player as that can never be denied) been sent off because some1 upset him, was he not on the field for more than 90 minutes like others or he needed extra 90 right (bro no 1 is perfect) even Zidane was not marked as Messi is been marked today.

Now its good you mentioned they are both the best, but you spoiled it again by saying that Ronaldo is better because he has skills. Have you heard Pele or Maradona talking about Ronaldo before or heard them comparing Ronaldo with themselves even with his skills? We are only having this debate because Messi was injured for most of last season. Let me do a quick stats for you (early last season in La liga b4 injury, Messi had 8 goals in as many as 6 goals before the injury and Ronaldo had 2 goals. Ronaldo had scored 28 when Messi came baq frm injury and we all know how it ended, Ronaldo with 31 goals and Messi with 28). So just imagine that he was not injured. So i tink you Ronaldo fans should be happy for last season and compare both players on what they played last season othewise there is no way you can compare them.

Just this weekend when both players played for their teams what happened? Messi did not score but helped his team with 2 assists to win the game and Ronaldo, he dived, scored the penalty and that was his contribution? Still they lost at home. My point is that Messi's goals is an addition to his exceptional play.

Iamzuna:

No you are not. I understand your point and i have learnt from it just as you should from mine (even if its just a line). All the same, i hail o.

I tink the Op should do a topic where we can exchange views like this and compare players as well

Iamzuna:

No you are not. I understand your point and i have learnt from it just as you should from mine (even if its just a line). All the same, i hail o.

I tink the Op should do a topic where we can exchange views like this and compare players as well

mcdreeezy: Pls what do u mean by famous dribbling skills? Is it legovers, or snakebites? Messi doesn't do such but that doesn't dispute the fact that Messi is a better dribbler than Ronaldo and I woldnt like to compare Messi with those pple u mentioned as they played in different times. Ronaldo counts his legovers and whatever tricks he's got at ONE spot. Messi on the other hand beats opponents, as in, he gets past them with ease.

Go and watch the match against Getafe way back where messi beat 4 opponents includin the goalie makin 5 and scored. I can bet u that Ronaldo has never done that

naturalwaves:
You made a bit of sense but a bulk of your argument is so myopic. Ronaldo gets past opoonents in whiskers too in his own way. When Ronaldo was at Man United, all he needed was a through ball from Evra and before you count 9 seconds, the ball his at the back of the net. Most times, he moves with great speed on the left and cuts off any defender on the way and when he is close to the box eighteen edge, drags like 3 defenders along with him towards the right before placing the keeper on the left. Fine, Messi dribbled well in that match and scored calmly, still, doesn't beat Okocha's dribble againt Oliver Khan and team mates in Germany. That Messi's dribble is not even close to half of what Maradona dribbled at the world cup when he dribbled everyone from his own half till he scored. You can't be pin pointing examples and referring to them cos Ronaldo has a lot of things that can be pointed to that you cannot get the Messi equivalent. I could say......go and check Ronaldo's rocket shot against FC Porto at the champs league when he played for Man United and so on. Moreover, why didn't your Messi get the better of ordinary Bosingwa when Mourinho dragged him (Bosingwa) from) to somewhere around LB to mark Messi. In 90 minutes, Messi got past him just twice. Couldn't even enter the 18 box before the ball was taken back from him. If your Messi is as magical as you claim, he would have evaded the defence now.





I said it and I am saying it again, there is nothing Messi can do or has done that Ronaldo hasn't done or have an equivalent of but there are things C.Ronaldo has done that Messi has no answer for.

naturalwaves:
You made a bit of sense but a bulk of your argument is so myopic. Ronaldo gets past opoonents in whiskers too in his own way. When Ronaldo was at Man United, all he needed was a through ball from Evra and before you count 9 seconds, the ball his at the back of the net. Most times, he moves with great speed on the left and cuts off any defender on the way and when he is close to the box eighteen edge, drags like 3 defenders along with him towards the right before placing the keeper on the left. Fine, Messi dribbled well in that match and scored calmly, still, doesn't beat Okocha's dribble againt Oliver Khan and team mates in Germany. That Messi's dribble is not even close to half of what Maradona dribbled at the world cup when he dribbled everyone from his own half till he scored. You can't be pin pointing examples and referring to them cos Ronaldo has a lot of things that can be pointed to that you cannot get the Messi equivalent. I could say......go and check Ronaldo's rocket shot against FC Porto at the champs league when he played for Man United and so on. Moreover, why didn't your Messi get the better of ordinary Bosingwa when Mourinho dragged him (Bosingwa) from) to somewhere around LB to mark Messi. In 90 minutes, Messi got past him just twice. Couldn't even enter the 18 box before the ball was taken back from him. If your Messi is as magical as you claim, he would have evaded the defence now.





I said it and I am saying it again, there is nothing Messi can do or has done that Ronaldo hasn't done or have an equivalent of but there are things C.Ronaldo has done that Messi has no answer for.

mcdreeezy: I dunno since when powerful shots became a criteria to judge who's better. Anybody can take shots, anybody can also lift so well to head a ball into the net

mcdreeezy: Whenever I argue with CR7 fans these are the points they raise and I begin to wonder. Messi is too brilliant a footballer to not be better than Ronaldo, watch all his matches without bein biased and you'll see what I'm sayin. Where was Ronaldo over the weekend when they lost to Atletico? If he's so good a footballer as u claim, why is it that the best he can get is to score a penalty? On the other hand, when Messi is not scoring, he's assisting others. Well, we are all entitled to our opinions.

mcdreeezy:
As someone said, I have not seen where Maradona and Pele use CR7 to compare themselves, it's always Messi they use and that should give you a cue.

mcdreeezy: I know people usually say they're the best footballers in the world as of now but if we're to be honestly sincere or sincerely honest, you'd agree with me that Messi's brilliance puts the Argentine ahead of the Portuguese. I've not seen anyone that has a sixth sense in football than Messi, Ronaldo doesn't come anywhere close. Bro, you can't deny this fact now Just be sincere

naturalwaves: Messi's brilliance? Are you kidding me? Well, the essence of this thread was to compare their qualities. The only quality you have mentioned now is "brilliance" . How about Ronaldo's power, agility, athleticism and so on?

naturalwaves: @mcdreeezy, why did you pick a portion of the points raised in the last quote. You haven't still answered why your Messi that dribbles past 5 defenders couldn't get the better of Bosingwa nor get into the 18 yard box against Chesea and the fact that there was nothing magical in what he did as Maradona and Okocha have done it better in the past.

mcdreeezy: I no wan argue this one, durin that time I neva dey carry ball for head like I'm doin now. But one thin pple fail to realise was that chelsea was lucky against Barca

mcdreeezy: I dunno about you but I believe if you have the brain and brilliance, you don't need to apply physicality or force... Ronaldo works hard, Messi works smart

naturalwaves:

Okay, I will let this go. I wasn't talking about Chelsea's champions league triumph in 2012 though. Infact , in the match I was referring to, it was Chelsea that was cheated. Barcelonia defenders handled the ball in the eighteen yard box twice but the referee refused to blow because order from above says Bacelonia must play at the finals either by crook or other means, that was why Ballack and Drogba wanted to slap the referee after the match.


You also said something about chelsea being lucky (2012) against Bercelonia.Let me quickly tell you a short story;

When this beautiful game callled football was invented, it was said that the aim of the game shall be to put the ball in the opponent's net. They didn't state how that must be done. No definitions were given for tiki taka, beautiful football and so on. A team that defends and lunches a counter is using a strategy, another that passes out its opponent before unlocking the opponent is also using a strategy. The fact that Barca did a bulk of the playing and chelsea did the scoring is not luck, it is a strategy.

naturalwaves:

You would have been correct. Unfortunately, this argument does not apply to football. In football,.it takes more than mere brilliance to triumph. You need the mechanism to carry out your brilliant ideas. If an Engineer is brilliant enough and knows a certain horse power rating must be met before an engine performs optimally, he need to design such or else, his brilliant ideas will be a waste. Moreover, Christiano Ronaldo is brilliant too and his brilliance + his built and style gives him a lil edge over Messi.

mcdreeezy: Ronaldo is not brilliant anymore, he stopped bein brilliant when he left Man Utd... Are you a Real Madrid fan?

naturalwaves:

@he stopped being brilliant after he left Manchester United. Guy, you so funny. I don't think he stopped being brilliant, I think it is due to the variation in pattern of plays of football clubs and the club's philosophy. These players always try to just blend in into different patterns and that alone is "brilliance".The way Neymar Jr was instructed to play at Barca is not the same way he plays normally before getting in. I even observed one funny thing and I was so surprised when I did.....Do you know that some coaches will even tell players the maximum number of touches they must do? Some will give only 1 or 2 players the right to dribble. Part of why Robben left chelsea was freedom to express himself on the pitch. I don't support Madrid, I support Chelsea FC.

mcdreeezy: Ok bro, Chelsea the arrogant club. Thank God Man Utd is recoverin so they can treat Chelsea's fvck up

naturalwaves:

Okay, I will let this go. I wasn't talking about Chelsea's champions league triumph in 2012 though. Infact , in the match I was referring to, it was Chelsea that was cheated. Barcelonia defenders handled the ball in the eighteen yard box twice but the referee refused to blow because order from above says Bacelonia must play at the finals either by crook or other means, that was why Ballack and Drogba wanted to slap the referee after the match.


You also said something about chelsea being lucky (2012) against Bercelonia.Let me quickly tell you a short story;

When this beautiful game callled football was invented, it was said that the aim of the game shall be to put the ball in the opponent's net. They didn't state how that must be done. No definitions were given for tiki taka, beautiful football and so on. A team that defends and lunches a counter is using a strategy, another that passes out its opponent before unlocking the opponent is also using a strategy. The fact that Barca did a bulk of the playing and chelsea did the scoring is not luck, it is a strategy.