striktlymi:

Bullied by whom? Christians? Muslims? Pagans? Or have Theists joined forces to bully d 'poor, defenseless Atheist'?

logicboy01:

^^^
Exhibit A of a dubious christian apologist.


The op reports on the currents news in the USA that the US Airforce is not allowing atheists to enlist unless they make a religious statement.

This is an example of christian bigotry because the higher ups are christian and it is illegal to have a religious test for any public office

striktlymi:

What makes you so sure that they are all Christians? Is it not possible to have members of other religious groups or even some Atheists as part of those who approved the policy?

logicboy01:



Dubious apologist is dubious.....I didnt say "all"


Please focus on the dscriminatory policy.

striktlymi:

Of course you didn't say ALL but you implied it. An attempt to blame Christians for the policy is equally an attempt to excuse the others from blame.

The others (including Atheists) can only be excused if they were not involved in making or approving the policy.

logicboy01:


So this tool is trying to include atheists in the blame for this?

You are a dubious tool

striktlymi:

Now you are getting my vibes.

I am saying:

1) The Atheist who is crying to high heavens is probably guilty of what he accuses religious folks of.

2) If the policy making body is not strictly Christian and everyone probably got a fair representation when the policy was adopted, why then should we call the policy a bad one?

logicboy01:


What are you arguing? Why are you just dubious?

1) Which atheist are you talking about? And why are you strawmanning? What has any atheist done wrong in this situation? Give an example please....dont just accuse nonsense

2) The army and navy dont have such a policy and do not require any soldier to make a religious statement. That is the American law and the law of any secular office- no religious test/statement for any public office

striktlymi:

1) If there exist at least one Atheist who agreed to the policy before it was promulgated then that serves a representation for which Atheists can be held liable, just like you are trying hard to pin this on Christians.

2) I am almost certain that you don't know jack about the bold. I hope your reference to law does allow for some degree of variation because I am sure you know that the military have other codes they live by, different from other members of the populace?

Anyways, going to court to resolve this dispute would have far reaching consequences, if they are to take the dude seriously.

The U.S. Constitution also provides that "No religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification of any Office or public Trust under the United States."

logicboy01:



So, this is what it looks like when somebody has no idea of what he is talking about......





It is unconstitutional to have a religious test for any government job.


Even within the military, there is historical evidence showing endemic christian discrimination towards atheists/non-believers.
http://mic.com/articles/62145/how-atheists-are-fighting-back-against-military-discrimination

You are just arguing nonsense and deceiving yourself that you are making sense

striktlymi:

Probably you are blind to d fact that some operations of the military go beyond what is ordinarily provided for in the constitution.

That even is not the point. The policy was agreed to by every 'policy maker' involved. Since that is the case, it is only ridiculous to hold one group responsible for any wrong perceived.

TrollMan:

God Bless America...

In God we trust...

This is just an outcrop to remind you that America is a religious state and as such your argument is void.. AKA Baseless.

You have no point to prove your point.

I prefer to lavish my time in researching about why birds fly or why the grass is green to this..

logicboy01: This is shameful!!


Why would the Airforce higher-ups be behaving like religious extremists forcing their religions on others?



tags; italo Striklymi MrAnony1, ubenedictus, francistony

Ubenedictus:


it isn't fair, but i'm sure if atheist were in power it wont be any different.

RayMcBlue: If the rule said that you must say "So help me God", then by all means, say it. Just go through the motions. You don't have to believe it. I say "Jesus" all the time, and yet I don't believe in Jesus or any other supernatural being(s). It's just an expression, no more, no less.

logicboy01:

Well, you seem to like your constitutional rights being trampled upon.

In the USA, it is illegal to make "so help me God" compulsory in any govt job

RayMcBlue:

Only a trouble maker and someone with a lot of spare time on their hands would opt to make a mountain out of what can easily be circumvented.

In United States, it's only trouble makers that can sue someone for something as mundane as getting a bubble gum thrown in their general direction or cry wolf because of a perception that a basic R&R infringed on their overblown sense of selfworth.

Elkewwty: Yes, they must swear or leave

logicboy01:
who is the troublemaker- the Airforce higher-ups who are breaking the law/constitution and infringing on the religious freedom of atheist soldiers or the atheist soldier who is claiming his rights?

davien: whoa,are 40 dudes following you?

RayMcBlue:

No matter. It shouldn't be an issue. It's not like the United Air Force is actively forcing it's recruits to conform to the Christian faith or anything.

"So help me God" is a slogan so old that it's recitations is now a matter of routine. It shouldn't and not supposed to threaten anyone, especially not to an individual that identifies himself as a "free thinker." Holding on to your belief or lack thereof so "religiously" as to feel threatened just because you frowned upon a certain R&R that enforces you to recite a routine slogan, reeks of stark hypocrisy.

It's okay to be pissed off at an audacious law that may or may not infringe on your constitutional right, but feeling threatened by it when it can't technically hurt you is another ball game altogether. Atheism transcends that level of ignominious pettiness, else, we are no different from the radical theists protesting outside an abortion clinic.

logicboy01:


It is psychologically damaging.

And since you feel that atheists asking for their constitutional rights is the same as radical christians protesting outside an abortion clinic, I HAVE TO LEAVE YOU WITH YOUR FOOLISHNESS. GOODBYE

RayMcBlue:

My opinion may be foolish but it sure as hell beats your rank hypocrisy. Case closed.

logicboy01:



And where is the hypocrisy?

Show me

RayMcBlue:

Wasn't I explicit enough?

Let me tell you a story, then.

-A law with a religious undertone was passed down to a secular community, most of whom are christians.
-The christians among them accepted the law readily enough.
-Some of the citizens with atheistic background shrugged it off since it doesn't really affect their daily lives.
-A tiny minority of the atheistic populace disagree and decided to sue the government.
-What is the law?
-The law simply enforces one to say "God bless America" after every speech or prayer as the case may be.
-A law that was formed to instill and propagate patriotism among the citizenry.
-A law that was universally accepted, save for that certain tiny minority that are of the perception that the law threatens their constitutional human right.
-A tiny minority so selfish that they want the law abolished in order to suit their personal ideology.

Sounds familiar? Now put atheism in "law's" shoes, then put religion in "tiny minority's" shoes. We would have a scenerio whereby atheism is trying it's utmost best to survive and religion on it's part playing it's bìtchy role to a tee.

Hypocrisy 101.