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Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by Ukutsgp(m): 12:06pm On Sep 22, 2014 |
Purgatory: Purifying Fire or Fatal Fable? by Mike Gendron Catholics who believe a purifying fire will purge away their sins are deluded victims of a fatal fabrication. The invention of a place for purification of sins called Purgatory is one of the most seductive attractions of the Roman Catholic religion. Pastor John MacArthur of Grace Community Church described this deceptive hoax brilliantly. He said: "Purgatory is what makes the whole system work. Take out Purgatory and it's a hard sell to be a Catholic. Purgatory is the safety net, when you die, you don't go to hell. You go [to Purgatory] and get things sorted out and finally get to heaven if you've been a good Catholic. In the Catholic system you can never know you're going to heaven. You just keep trying and trying...in a long journey toward perfection. Well, it's pretty discouraging. People in that system are guilt- ridden, fear-ridden and have no knowledge of whether or not they're going to get into the Kingdom. If there's no Purgatory, there's no safety net to catch me and give me some opportunity to get into heaven. It's a second chance, it's another chance after death" (from "The Pope and the Papacy". The Origin of Purgatory There was no mention of Purgatory during the first two centuries of the church. However, when Roman Emperor Theodosius (379-395) decreed that Christianity was to be the official religion of the empire, thousands of pagans flooded into the Church and brought their pagan beliefs and traditions with them. One of those ancient pagan beliefs was a place of purification where souls went to make satisfaction for their sins. The concept became much more widespread around 600 A.D. due to the fanaticism of Pope Gregory the Great. He developed the doctrine through visions and revelations of a Purgatorial fire. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia (CE), Pope Gregory said Catholics "will expiate their faults by purgatorial flames," and "the pain [is] more intolerable than any one can suffer in this life." Centuries later, at the Council of Florence (1431), it was pronounced an infallible dogma. It was later reaffirmed by the Council of Trent (1564). The dogma is based largely on Catholic tradition from extra- biblical writings and oral history. "So deep was this belief ingrained in our common humanity that it was accepted by the Jews, and in at least a shadowy way by the pagans, long before the coming of Christianity" (CE). It seems incomprehensible that Rome would admit to using a pagan tradition for the defense of one of its most esteemed "Christian" doctrines. The Deception of Purgatory Purgatory comes from the Latin word “purgare,” which means to make clean or to purify. The Catholic Encyclopedia defines purgatory as "a place or condition of temporal punishment for those who, departing this life in God’s grace, are not entirely free from venial faults, or have not fully paid the satisfaction due to their transgressions." They must be purified of these "venial" sins before they can be allowed into heaven. Here we see Catholicism perpetuating the seductive lie of Satan by declaring "you will not surely die" when you commit venial sins ( Gen. 3:4 ). The Council of Trent dares to declare that "God does not always remit the whole punishment due to sin together with the guilt. God requires satisfaction and will punish sin...The sinner, failing to do penance in this life, may be punished in another world, and so not be cast off eternally from God." (Session 15, Can. XI). Those Catholic Bishops had the audacity to declare that the suffering and death of God's perfect man and man's perfect substitute was not sufficient to satisfy divine justice for sin. The Motivation for Purgatory Over the centuries billions of dollars have been paid to Roman Catholic priests to obtain relief from imaginary sufferings in Purgatory's fire. The Catholic clergy has always taught that the period of suffering in Purgatory can be shortened by purchasing indulgences and novenas, buying Mass cards and providing gifts of money. When a Catholic dies, money is extracted from mourning loved ones to shorten the deceased's punishment in Purgatory. When my dear old dad passed away as a devout Catholic of 79 years, I was amazed at the hundreds of Mass cards purchased for him by well-meaning friends. We have heard of other Catholics who have willed their entire estates to their religion so that perpetual masses could be offered for them after they die. It is no wonder that the Catholic religion has become the richest institution in the world. The buying and selling of God's grace has been a very lucrative business for the Vatican. Another motivation for Rome to fabricate the heretical doctrine of Purgatory is its powerful effect on controlling people. Ultimately, the enslavement and subjugation of people is the goal of every false religion, and Purgatory does exactly that. The concept of a terrifying prison with a purging fire, governed by religious leaders, is a most brilliant invention. It holds people captive, not only in this life but also in the next life. Catholic clergy will not say how many years people have to suffer for their sins or how many Masses must be purchased before they can be released from the flames. This dreadful fear and uncertainty is the most ruthless form of religious bondage and deception! Biblical Support for Purgatory There is absolutely none! In fact, neither the word nor the concept of sin-purifying fire is found in Scripture. The Vatican was confronted with this in the 16th century when the Reformers protested its practice of buying and selling of God's grace through indulgences. Backed into a corner, the Council of Trent added the apocryphal books to its canon of Scripture. Rome now declares there is scriptural support for purgatory in the apocryphal book of Second Maccabees. The council ignored the fact that the Jewish scribes never recognized the apocryphal books as inspired or part of the Hebrew Scriptures. They were never included because of their many historical, theological and geographical errors. Since God is not the author of error, He obviously did not inspire the writers of the Apocrypha. This is why the Apocrypha was never included in the original canon of 66 books. The apocryphal verses Rome uses to defend its doctrine of Purgatory refer to Jewish soldiers who died wearing pagan amulets around their necks. Judas Maccabees "sent twelve thousand drachmas of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead...Judas hoped that these men who died fighting for the cause of God and religion, might find mercy: either because they might be excused from mortal sin by ignorance; or might have repented of their sin, at least at their death. It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins" ( 2 Maccabees 12:43-46 ). Rome argues that since Judas Maccabees prayed for the dead, there must be hope for those who die in sin. This of course, goes directly against God's Word which declares, "It is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment" ( Heb. 9:22 ). Rome's attempt to give credence to Purgatory by using this ungodly practice of the Jews, who had a history of disobeying God, is pathetic. In another attempt to find support for Purgatory, many Catholics point to this verse: "If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire" ( 1 Cor. 3:15 ). Clearly, the context of this verse is the testing of a man's works by fire. The works that survive are the ones done for the glory of Christ and are called gold, silver and precious stones ( Eph. 2:10 ). All the other superfluous works are burned in fire and are called wood, hay and stubble. It is not man's sins that are being purged, it is man's spurious works that are being burned and destroyed. The Biblical Rebuke of Purgatory God's Word leaves absolutely no possibility for sin to be purged away by anything other than the blood of Jesus Christ. The beloved apostle John penned these words with irrefutable clarity. He wrote, "The blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin" and "all unrighteousness" ( 1 John 1:7 , 9). John did not say "some" sins or "most" sins, but all sin! This soundly rebukes the need for a sin-purging fire. God's Word also declares, "All things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness" ( Heb. 9:22 ). When Jesus "made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high" ( Heb. 1:3 ). Those who desire to have their sins purged need to trust a person, not a place. The blood of Christ is the only cleansing agent for sin! Those who come to the cross of Christ must come with empty hands of faith, bringing nothing but their sins. Every blood-bought believer is instantly present with their Redeemer at the moment of death. To be "absent from the body" is to be "at home with the Lord" ( 2 Cor. 5:6-8 ). This good news was affirmed by the Lord Jesus with the promise He gave to the repentant thief at Calvary. He said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise" ( Luke 23:43 ). This habitual sinner did not need a fire to purge his sins. Catholics who believe in Purgatory need to be asked: "Who is in charge of releasing souls from the purging fire?" It cannot be God because of His promise to believers. "Their sins and iniquities I will remember no more" ( Heb. 10:17 ). After conversion, God no longer counts sins against His children ( 2 Cor. 5:19 ). Purgatory is a travesty on the justice of God and a disgraceful fabrication that robs Christ Jesus of His glory and honor. He alone satisfied divine justice, once and for all, by the perfect and finished sacrifice of Himself. The fatal deception of Purgatory blinds Catholics from the glorious Gospel of grace. It is one of Satan's many lies which keep his captives from knowing and trusting the sufficiency of Jesus Christ. It is Christ alone that will present us "faultless before the presence of his glory" (Jude 24). Blessings, Mike Gendron www.pro-gospel.org by Mike Gendron |
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by Ukutsgp(m): 1:22pm On Sep 22, 2014 |
purgatory is fake and it is an imaginary place that is created by the catholic leader to gain money from their deceive members. |
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by cktheluckyman: 1:28pm On Sep 22, 2014 |
1 pet 3;19-2119 After being made alive,[a] he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.[b] It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him |
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by cktheluckyman: 1:30pm On Sep 22, 2014 |
1 Peter 4:5-7New International Version (NIV) 5 But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. 6 For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit. 7 The end of all things is near. Therefore be alert and of sober mind so that you may pray |
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by vest(m): 1:34pm On Sep 22, 2014 |
Chai!! I Don Tire For This People ProtestANT |
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by SalC: 2:01pm On Sep 22, 2014 |
I thought this guy has outgrown this childish rants and copy- paste work. Well the scripture says, "All wrongdoing is sin, but there is a sin which does not lead to death. 1 John 5:17 So op can you tell me the fate of one who dies with a sin not unto death? Scripture says again, "If you see your brother sin a sin that does not lead to death, pray to God who will give him life, for those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin which leads to death, I do not ask you to pray for those...1John 5:16 Can you explain to me how someone who sinned a sin which does not lead to death also has no life and needs a brother to pray to God to give him life? What will happen to this person and his sin when we pray for him? |
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by vest(m): 2:56pm On Sep 22, 2014 |
Pls 4 Guest Nd Others See A Good Xplaination Here www.catholic.com/blog/tim-staples/is-purgatory-in-the-bible by an ex-protestant pastor |
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by Ukutsgp(m): 3:23pm On Sep 22, 2014 |
cktheluckyman:u are ignorant of scriptures. this scripture u quoted does not support purgatory. there is nothing like purgatory. it is a fable. 1 Peter 3:18-20 is one texts Catholics misuse in order to support purgatory. It says after His death, Christ was “18. . . made alive in the spirit, 19in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, 20because they formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water” (1 Peter 3:18-20). Although the Catholic scholars Scott Hahn and Curtis Mitch do not argue this text refers to purgatory or humans, but instead to Jesus descending to Hades to proclaim to the fallen angels who were locked up there (Scott Hahn, Curtis Mitch, Ignatius Catholic Study Bible New Testament, [Ignatius Press, 2010], p. 456), other Catholics nevertheless understand this text as referring to purgatory. For example, Patrick Madrid cites this text as proof for purgatory on page 86 his book Where is That in the Bible? However, this is incorrect. What the text is actually saying is that after His crucifixion Jesus was made alive in the Spirit in the same way He was when He, through Noah and his ministry, proclaimed the truth to those alive then. In other words, through Noah, Jesus, in the time as the flood, preached repentance to the lost world prior. And these people are now in Hades or the prison. Jesus did not go to Hades and proclaim to spirits there. Instead the spirits of men which are there now (or there at the time of Peter’s writing) were people Jesus proclaimed to while they were alive at the time of Noah. As John Gill explains: “The plain and easy sense of the words is, that Christ, by his Spirit, by which he was quickened, went in the ministry of Noah, the preacher of righteousness, and preached both by words and deeds, by the personal ministry of Noah, and by the building of the ark, to that generation who was then in being; and who being disobedient, and continuing so, a flood was brought upon them which destroyed them all; and whose spirits, or separate souls, were then in the prison . . . when the Apostle Peter wrote this epistle; so that Christ neither went into this prison, nor preached in it, nor to spirits that were then in it when he preached, but to persons alive in the days of Noah” (John Gill, Exposition of the Entire Bible , 1 Peter 3:19) This view was affirmed by Augustine in his work Letters , 164 and is backed up by 1 Peter 1:10-11 which, concerning Old Testament times, speaks of the Spirit of Christ being in the prophets prophesying about grace and the sufferings of Jesus. 1 Peter 4:6 also says “the gospel was preached even to those who are dead” (1 Peter 4:6) thus supporting our case. |
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by Ukutsgp(m): 3:26pm On Sep 22, 2014 |
vest: Pls 4 Guest Nd Others See A Good Xplaination Hererubbish!!! |
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by Ukutsgp(m): 3:28pm On Sep 22, 2014 |
cktheluckyman: 1 Peter 4:5-7New International Version (NIV)dnt u know dat the unbelivers and sinners are spiritually dead while alive? |
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by Ukutsgp(m): 4:09pm On Sep 22, 2014 |
SalC: I thought this guy has outgrown this childish rants and copy- paste work.u dnt know the bible. ur ignorant is obvious. how does this support the evil doctrine of purgatory? |
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by SalC: 4:15pm On Sep 22, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: u dnt know the bible. ur ignorant is obvious. how does this support the evil doctrine of purgatory?Can you just answer that question even if it means doing your usual copy and paste or simply say you can't answer it?. Since am ignorant of the bible I want to learn from you especially those verse and the questions I asked. Thanks in anticipation |
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by Ukutsgp(m): 4:29pm On Sep 22, 2014 |
SalC: Can you just answer that question even if it means doing your usual copy and paste or simply say you can't answer it?. Since am ignorant of the bible I want to learn from you especially those verse and the questions I asked. Thanks in anticipationtell me first how it supports purgatory. dnt u see d name of the person who wrote it there? i love dat article so much. i just decide to share it. i know that purgatory is fake right from when i was small. it is something invented to deceive. |
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by vest(m): 4:32pm On Sep 22, 2014 |
SalC: Can you just answer that question even if it means doing your usual copy and paste or simply say you can't answer it?. Since am ignorant of the bible I want to learn from you especially those verse and the questions I asked. Thanks in anticipation I Swear He Can't I Dare Him |
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by vest(m): 4:44pm On Sep 22, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: tell me first how it supports purgatory. dnt u see d name of the person who wrote it there? i love dat article so much. i just decide to share it. i know that purgatory is fake right from when i was small. it is something invented to deceive. Tel Us How It Does Nt Support Purgatory? |
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by Ukutsgp(m): 4:48pm On Sep 22, 2014 |
Rome’s doctrine of purgatory asserts that when a Catholic dies and they have committed venial sins or still have temporal punishments for sin, they are purified in the fires of purgatory so they can enter heaven which requires absolute perfection. The 1994 Catechism of the Catholic Church says, “The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire: As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before Final Judgement, there is a purifying fire” (The Catechism of the Catholic Church, [DoubleDay, 1994], par. 1031 p. 291). Catholic scholar John Hardon also explains: “there exists purgatory, in which the souls of the just who die with the stains of sins are cleansed by expiation before they are admitted to heaven. . . . ‘stains of sins’ . . . means the temporal punishment due to venial or mortal sins already forgiven as to guilt but not fully remitted as to penalty when a person dies. It may also mean the venial sins themselves, not forgiven either as to guilt or punishment before death” (John A. Hardon, The Catholic Catechism, [DoubleDay, 1981], p. 274). The medieval Catholic theologian Thomas Aquinas mentions, prior to the resurrection, the “separated souls [in purgatory], and the punishment inflicted on them by fire” (Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica , [Christian Classics Ethereal Library], Sup, Qu. 69, p. 6370 brackets mine). This is an important issue which must be addressed, since, not only is it unbiblical and ahistorical, but Pope Francis actually offered time off purgatory to those who “follow him” on twitter (www.theguardian.com/ world/2013/jul/16/vatican-indulgences- pope-francis-tweets ). The blasphemous idea that you can click a button on a keyboard and follow the pope on twitter in order to go to heaven faster is utterly opposed to the biblical teaching concerning the sufficiency of Jesus’ once for all atonement bringing men to heaven. |
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by SalC: 4:48pm On Sep 22, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: tell me first how it supports purgatory. dnt u see d name of the person who wrote it there? i love dat article so much. i just decide to share it. i know that purgatory is fake right from when i was small. it is something invented to deceive.The time you used in writing this could have been used to answer my question, you called me ignorant and I wish to learn from you, realise I didn't mention purgatory in that post, I only put up scripture verse and asked you questions as regard them, when you answer me, I will tell you how it relates to purgatory, afterall I asked first, And please don't run around talking off point because I already know you, just go straight to the point. And yes I saw the name and it didn't change the fact that you copied and pasted his work, and for the fact that you did, you should be prepared to defend every bit of it. |
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by Ukutsgp(m): 4:49pm On Sep 22, 2014 |
The Holy Scripture knows nothing of a place called purgatory. After examining the various arguments put forth by Roman apologists in order to try to prove the teaching, Catholic scholar Richard P. McBrien admitted, “There is, for all practical purposes, no biblical basis for the doctrine of purgatory” (Richard P. McBrien, Catholicism: New Edition , [HarperOne, 1994], p. 1166). |
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by SalC: 4:52pm On Sep 22, 2014 |
vest:I already know that guy, it requires a lot of patience to address his case |
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by Ukutsgp(m): 4:55pm On Sep 22, 2014 |
SalC: The time you used in writing this could have been used to answer my question, you called me ignorant and I wish to learn from you, realise I didn't mention purgatory in that post, I only put up scripture verse and asked you questions as regard them, when you answer me, I will tell you how it relates to purgatory, afterall I asked first,i dnt need to defend it cos d fact is so clear that even a small child will know that it is fake. dnt u copy and paste too? |
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by Ukutsgp(m): 4:59pm On Sep 22, 2014 |
SalC: I already know that guy, it requires a lot of patience to address his casestop d crude joke. how does that simple verse relate to purgatory. |
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by SalC: 5:01pm On Sep 22, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: i dnt need to defend it cos d fact is so clear that even a small child will know that it is fake.Well I didn't see any fact there let alone a clear one, you should fish out the facts for us to see. I seldom copy peoples' work and if I do, I will be ready to defend it unlike you. I have not even started and you are already running away, just go back and answer my question and stop this childish one liners, |
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by SalC: 5:03pm On Sep 22, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: stop d crude joke. how does that simple verse relate to purgatory.Let me put it in a way you can comprehend, what are those verses talking about, answer my question or can't you find a place to copy and paste answers to my questions |
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by cktheluckyman: 5:17pm On Sep 22, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: u are ignorant of scriptures. this scripture u quoted does not support purgatory. there is nothing like purgatory. it is a fable. 18. . . made alive in the spirit, 19in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, 20because they formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water This passage is so explicit that even a 4-ear old child will understand it.It is not talking about any fallen angels rather it is talking about the souls of the people who didnt repent during noah's time.It is telling us that they were kept in prison(purgatory) till christ went and preached to them during his 3 days in the grave.Chapter 4 vs6 gies further to explain why the good news was preached to this souls even when they have died. 6 For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit. 1 JOHN 5:16-17 you see your brother sin a sin that does not lead to death, pray to God who will give him life, for those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin which leads to death, I do not ask you to pray for those...1John 5:16 This pasage asks us to pray for the souls who die in sin that does not lead to death.That is why catholics pray for the souls of their loved ones in event they died in that state the problem with people like you is that of dogamtism.Even with scripture passages staring at you,your obstinacy refuses to give way. I John |
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by Ukutsgp(m): 5:25pm On Sep 22, 2014 |
SalC: Let me put it in a way you can comprehend, what are those verses talking about, answer my question or can't you find a place to copy and paste answers to my questionsfirst. mention d sin not leading to death for me? is fornication, adultery, lying etc. what is d sin pls. |
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by vest(m): 5:36pm On Sep 22, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: first. mention d sin not leading to death for me? is fornication, adultery, lying etc. what is d sin pls.First Of All Do You Agree That Dey Are Sins Not Leading To Death? |
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by SalC: 5:36pm On Sep 22, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: first. mention d sin not leading to death for me? is fornication, adultery, lying etc. what is d sin pls.You just said I am ignorant of the bible, how comes you want an ignorant person to teach you. God ahead and answer my question or are you saying the scripture was wrong for saying there is a sin which does not lead to death? |
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by Ukutsgp(m): 5:38pm On Sep 22, 2014 |
@cktheluckyman. what u posted there is rubbish. here is d truth in case u did nt comprehend the post u quoted. summary What the text is actually saying is that after His crucifixion Jesus was made alive in the Spirit in the same way He was when He, through Noah and his ministry, proclaimed the truth to those alive then. In other words, through Noah, Jesus, in the time as the flood, preached repentance to the lost world prior. And these people are now in Hades or the prison. Jesus did not go to Hades and proclaim to spirits there. Instead the spirits of men which are there now (or there at the time of Peter’s writing) were people Jesus proclaimed to while they were alive at the time of Noah. Jesus did not go to any spirit world. |
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by Ukutsgp(m): 5:40pm On Sep 22, 2014 |
SalC: You just said I am ignorant of the bible, how comes you want an ignorant person to teach you. God ahead and answer my question or are you saying the scripture was wrong for saying there is a sin which does not lead to death?long story. mention d sin na |
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by Ukutsgp(m): 5:41pm On Sep 22, 2014 |
vest: First Of All Do You Agree That Dey Are Sins Not Leading To Death?what are those sin? mentioned d sin. is it lying? |
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by Ukutsgp(m): 5:56pm On Sep 22, 2014 |
There is no such place as purgatory . It is but another doctrine of devils. It gives mankind the false hope that he can still make things right with God after death. the deceiver is simply at his old work again. Sadly, many will hold onto the thought that they can still redeem themselves by suffering after death, instead of placing their total faith in the shed blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. |
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by SalC: 5:57pm On Sep 22, 2014 |
Ukutsgp: @cktheluckyman.See twisting. Fine so what is the significance of Christ being made alive in the spirit in which he preached through Noah? For christ died for sin once and for all, a good man on behalf of sinners in order to lead you to God. He was put to death physically, but made alive spiritually, and in his spiritual existence he went to preach to imprisoned spirits. These were the spirit of those who had not obeyed God when he waited patiently during the days that Noah was building his boat, the few people in the boat-eight in all- were saved by the water. 1 Pet 3:18-20 |
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