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Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by Ukutsgp(m): 12:06pm On Sep 22, 2014
Purgatory: Purifying Fire
or Fatal Fable? by Mike Gendron


Catholics who believe a purifying fire will purge
away their sins are deluded victims of a fatal
fabrication. The invention of a place for
purification of sins called Purgatory is one of the
most seductive attractions of the Roman
Catholic religion. Pastor John MacArthur of
Grace Community Church described this
deceptive hoax brilliantly. He said: "Purgatory is
what makes the whole system work. Take out
Purgatory and it's a hard sell to be a Catholic.
Purgatory is the safety net, when you die, you
don't go to hell. You go [to Purgatory] and get
things sorted out and finally get to heaven if
you've been a good Catholic. In the Catholic
system you can never know you're going to
heaven. You just keep trying and trying...in a
long journey toward perfection. Well, it's pretty
discouraging. People in that system are guilt-
ridden, fear-ridden and have no knowledge of
whether or not they're going to get into the
Kingdom. If there's no Purgatory, there's no
safety net to catch me and give me some
opportunity to get into heaven. It's a second
chance, it's another chance after death" (from
"The Pope and the Papacy"wink.

The Origin of Purgatory

There was no mention of Purgatory during the
first two centuries of the church. However, when
Roman Emperor Theodosius (379-395) decreed
that Christianity was to be the official religion of
the empire, thousands of pagans flooded into the
Church and brought their pagan beliefs and
traditions with them. One of those ancient pagan
beliefs was a place of purification where souls
went to make satisfaction for their sins.
The concept became much more widespread
around 600 A.D. due to the fanaticism of Pope
Gregory the Great. He developed the doctrine
through visions and revelations of a Purgatorial
fire. According to the Catholic Encyclopedia (CE),
Pope Gregory said Catholics "will expiate their
faults by purgatorial flames," and "the pain [is]
more intolerable than any one can suffer in this
life." Centuries later, at the Council of Florence
(1431), it was pronounced an infallible dogma. It
was later reaffirmed by the Council of Trent
(1564). The dogma is based largely on Catholic
tradition from extra- biblical writings and oral
history. "So deep was this belief ingrained in our
common humanity that it was accepted by the
Jews, and in at least a shadowy way by the
pagans, long before the coming of
Christianity" (CE). It seems incomprehensible
that Rome would admit to using a pagan
tradition for the defense of one of its most
esteemed "Christian" doctrines.

The Deception of Purgatory

Purgatory comes from the Latin word “purgare,”
which means to make clean or to purify. The
Catholic Encyclopedia defines purgatory as "a
place or condition of temporal punishment for
those who, departing this life in God’s grace, are
not entirely free from venial faults, or have not
fully paid the satisfaction due to their
transgressions." They must be purified of these
"venial" sins before they can be allowed into
heaven. Here we see Catholicism perpetuating
the seductive lie of Satan by declaring "you will
not surely die" when you commit venial sins
( Gen. 3:4 ). The Council of Trent dares to declare
that "God does not always remit the whole
punishment due to sin together with the guilt.
God requires satisfaction and will punish
sin...The sinner, failing to do penance in this life,
may be punished in another world, and so not be
cast off eternally from God." (Session 15, Can.
XI). Those Catholic Bishops had the audacity to
declare that the suffering and death of God's
perfect man and man's perfect substitute was
not sufficient to satisfy divine justice for sin.

The Motivation for Purgatory

Over the centuries billions of dollars have been
paid to Roman Catholic priests to obtain relief
from imaginary sufferings in Purgatory's fire. The
Catholic clergy has always taught that the period
of suffering in Purgatory can be shortened by
purchasing indulgences and novenas, buying
Mass cards and providing gifts of money. When
a Catholic dies, money is extracted from
mourning loved ones to shorten the deceased's
punishment in Purgatory. When my dear old dad
passed away as a devout Catholic of 79 years, I
was amazed at the hundreds of Mass cards
purchased for him by well-meaning friends. We
have heard of other Catholics who have willed
their entire estates to their religion so that
perpetual masses could be offered for them after
they die. It is no wonder that the Catholic
religion has become the richest institution in the
world. The buying and selling of God's grace has
been a very lucrative business for the Vatican.
Another motivation for Rome to fabricate the
heretical doctrine of Purgatory is its powerful
effect on controlling people. Ultimately, the
enslavement and subjugation of people is the
goal of every false religion, and Purgatory does
exactly that. The concept of a terrifying prison
with a purging fire, governed by religious leaders,
is a most brilliant invention. It holds people
captive, not only in this life but also in the next
life. Catholic clergy will not say how many years
people have to suffer for their sins or how many
Masses must be purchased before they can be
released from the flames. This dreadful fear and
uncertainty is the most ruthless form of religious
bondage and deception!

Biblical Support for Purgatory

There is absolutely none! In fact, neither the
word nor the concept of sin-purifying fire is
found in Scripture. The Vatican was confronted
with this in the 16th century when the Reformers
protested its practice of buying and selling of
God's grace through indulgences. Backed into a
corner, the Council of Trent added the
apocryphal books to its canon of Scripture.
Rome now declares there is scriptural support
for purgatory in the apocryphal book of Second
Maccabees. The council ignored the fact that the
Jewish scribes never recognized the apocryphal
books as inspired or part of the Hebrew
Scriptures. They were never included because of
their many historical, theological and
geographical errors. Since God is not the author
of error, He obviously did not inspire the writers
of the Apocrypha. This is why the Apocrypha
was never included in the original canon of 66
books.
The apocryphal verses Rome uses to defend its
doctrine of Purgatory refer to Jewish soldiers
who died wearing pagan amulets around their
necks. Judas Maccabees "sent twelve thousand
drachmas of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to
be offered for the sins of the dead...Judas hoped
that these men who died fighting for the cause of
God and religion, might find mercy: either
because they might be excused from mortal sin
by ignorance; or might have repented of their
sin, at least at their death. It is therefore a holy
and wholesome thought to pray for the dead,
that they may be loosed from sins" ( 2
Maccabees 12:43-46 ). Rome argues that since
Judas Maccabees prayed for the dead, there
must be hope for those who die in sin. This of
course, goes directly against God's Word which
declares, "It is appointed for men to die once
and after this comes judgment" ( Heb. 9:22 ).
Rome's attempt to give credence to Purgatory
by using this ungodly practice of the Jews, who
had a history of disobeying God, is pathetic.
In another attempt to find support for Purgatory,
many Catholics point to this verse: "If any man’s
work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he
himself will be saved, yet so as through fire" ( 1
Cor. 3:15 ). Clearly, the context of this verse is
the testing of a man's works by fire. The works
that survive are the ones done for the glory of
Christ and are called gold, silver and precious
stones ( Eph. 2:10 ). All the other superfluous
works are burned in fire and are called wood, hay
and stubble. It is not man's sins that are being
purged, it is man's spurious works that are
being burned and destroyed.

The Biblical Rebuke of Purgatory

God's Word leaves absolutely no possibility for
sin to be purged away by anything other than
the blood of Jesus Christ. The beloved apostle
John penned these words with irrefutable clarity.
He wrote, "The blood of Jesus His Son cleanses
us from all sin" and "all unrighteousness" ( 1
John 1:7 , 9). John did not say "some" sins or
"most" sins, but all sin! This soundly rebukes
the need for a sin-purging fire. God's Word also
declares, "All things are cleansed with blood, and
without shedding of blood there is no
forgiveness" ( Heb. 9:22 ). When Jesus "made
purification of sins, He sat down at the right
hand of the Majesty on high" ( Heb. 1:3 ). Those
who desire to have their sins purged need to
trust a person, not a place. The blood of Christ
is the only cleansing agent for sin! Those who
come to the cross of Christ must come with
empty hands of faith, bringing nothing but their
sins.
Every blood-bought believer is instantly present
with their Redeemer at the moment of death. To
be "absent from the body" is to be "at home
with the Lord" ( 2 Cor. 5:6-8 ). This good news
was affirmed by the Lord Jesus with the promise
He gave to the repentant thief at Calvary. He
said to him, "Truly I say to you, today you shall
be with Me in Paradise" ( Luke 23:43 ). This
habitual sinner did not need a fire to purge his
sins.
Catholics who believe in Purgatory need to be
asked: "Who is in charge of releasing souls from
the purging fire?" It cannot be God because of
His promise to believers. "Their sins and
iniquities I will remember no more" ( Heb. 10:17 ).
After conversion, God no longer counts sins
against His children ( 2 Cor. 5:19 ).


Purgatory is a travesty on the justice of God and
a disgraceful fabrication that robs Christ Jesus
of His glory and honor. He alone satisfied divine
justice, once and for all, by the perfect and
finished sacrifice of Himself. The fatal deception
of Purgatory blinds Catholics from the glorious
Gospel of grace. It is one of Satan's many lies
which keep his captives from knowing and
trusting the sufficiency of Jesus Christ. It is
Christ alone that will present us "faultless before
the presence of his glory" (Jude 24).
Blessings,
Mike Gendron
www.pro-gospel.org
by Mike Gendron
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by Ukutsgp(m): 1:22pm On Sep 22, 2014
purgatory is fake and it is
an imaginary place that is created by the
catholic leader to gain money from
their deceive members.
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by cktheluckyman: 1:28pm On Sep 22, 2014
1 pet 3;19-2119 After being made alive,[a] he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.[b] It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by cktheluckyman: 1:30pm On Sep 22, 2014
1 Peter 4:5-7New International Version (NIV)

5 But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. 6 For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

7 The end of all things is near. Therefore be alert and of sober mind so that you may pray
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by vest(m): 1:34pm On Sep 22, 2014
Chai!!

I Don Tire For This People

ProtestANT
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by SalC: 2:01pm On Sep 22, 2014
I thought this guy has outgrown this childish rants and copy- paste work.

Well the scripture says, "All wrongdoing is sin, but there is a sin which does not lead to death. 1 John 5:17

So op can you tell me the fate of one who dies with a sin not unto death?

Scripture says again, "If you see your brother sin a sin that does not lead to death, pray to God who will give him life, for those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin which leads to death, I do not ask you to pray for those...1John 5:16

Can you explain to me how someone who sinned a sin which does not lead to death also has no life and needs a brother to pray to God to give him life?

What will happen to this person and his sin when we pray for him?
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by vest(m): 2:56pm On Sep 22, 2014
Pls 4 Guest Nd Others See A Good Xplaination Here

www.catholic.com/blog/tim-staples/is-purgatory-in-the-bible

by an ex-protestant pastor
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by Ukutsgp(m): 3:23pm On Sep 22, 2014
cktheluckyman:

1 pet 3;19-2119 After being made alive,[a] he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water, 21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.[b] It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, 22 who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him
u are ignorant of scriptures. this scripture u quoted does not support purgatory. there is nothing like purgatory. it is a fable.

1 Peter 3:18-20 is one texts
Catholics misuse in order to support
purgatory. It says after His death, Christ
was
“18. . . made alive in the spirit, 19in
which he went and proclaimed to
the spirits in prison, 20because they
formerly did not obey, when God's
patience waited in the days of Noah,
while the ark was being prepared,
in which a few, that is, eight
persons, were brought safely through
water” (1 Peter 3:18-20).
Although the Catholic scholars Scott
Hahn and Curtis Mitch do not argue this
text refers to purgatory or humans, but
instead to Jesus descending to Hades to
proclaim to the fallen angels who were
locked up there (Scott Hahn, Curtis
Mitch, Ignatius Catholic Study Bible New
Testament, [Ignatius Press, 2010], p.
456), other Catholics nevertheless
understand this text as referring to
purgatory. For example, Patrick Madrid
cites this text as proof for purgatory on
page 86 his book Where is That in the
Bible? However, this is incorrect. What
the text is actually saying is that after
His crucifixion Jesus was made alive in
the Spirit in the same way He was when
He, through Noah and his ministry,
proclaimed the truth to those alive then.
In other words, through Noah, Jesus, in
the time as the flood, preached
repentance to the lost world prior. And
these people are now in Hades or the
prison. Jesus did not go to Hades and
proclaim to spirits there. Instead the
spirits of men which are there now (or
there at the time of Peter’s writing)
were people Jesus proclaimed to while
they were alive at the time of Noah. As
John Gill explains:
“The plain and easy sense of the
words is, that Christ, by his Spirit, by
which he was quickened, went in the
ministry of Noah, the preacher of
righteousness, and preached both by
words and deeds, by the personal
ministry of Noah, and by the
building of the ark, to that
generation who was then in being;
and who being disobedient, and
continuing so, a flood was brought
upon them which destroyed them all;
and whose spirits, or separate souls,
were then in the prison . . . when
the Apostle Peter wrote this epistle;
so that Christ neither went into this
prison, nor preached in it, nor to
spirits that were then in it when he
preached, but to persons alive in the
days of Noah” (John Gill, Exposition
of the Entire Bible , 1 Peter 3:19)
This view was affirmed by Augustine in
his work Letters , 164 and is backed up
by 1 Peter 1:10-11 which, concerning
Old Testament times, speaks of the Spirit
of Christ being in the prophets
prophesying about grace and the
sufferings of Jesus. 1 Peter 4:6 also says
“the gospel was preached even to those
who are dead” (1 Peter 4:6) thus
supporting our case.
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by Ukutsgp(m): 3:26pm On Sep 22, 2014
vest: Pls 4 Guest Nd Others See A Good Xplaination Here

www.catholic.com/blog/tim-staples/is-purgatory-in-the-bible

by an ex-protestant pastor
rubbish!!!
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by Ukutsgp(m): 3:28pm On Sep 22, 2014
cktheluckyman: 1 Peter 4:5-7New International Version (NIV)

5 But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. 6 For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.

7 The end of all things is near. Therefore be alert and of sober mind so that you may pray
dnt u know dat the unbelivers and sinners are spiritually dead while alive?
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by Ukutsgp(m): 4:09pm On Sep 22, 2014
SalC: I thought this guy has outgrown this childish rants and copy- paste work.

Well the scripture says, "All wrongdoing is sin, but there is a sin which does not lead to death. 1 John 5:17

So op can you tell me the fate of one who dies with a sin not unto death?

Scripture says again, "If you see your brother sin a sin that does not lead to death, pray to God who will give him life, for those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin which leads to death, I do not ask you to pray for those...1John 5:16

Can you explain to me how someone who sinned a sin which does not lead to death also has no life and needs a brother to pray to God to give him life?

What will happen to this person and his sin when we pray for him?
u dnt know the bible. ur ignorant is obvious. how does this support the evil doctrine of purgatory?
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by SalC: 4:15pm On Sep 22, 2014
Ukutsgp: u dnt know the bible. ur ignorant is obvious. how does this support the evil doctrine of purgatory?
Can you just answer that question even if it means doing your usual copy and paste or simply say you can't answer it?. Since am ignorant of the bible I want to learn from you especially those verse and the questions I asked. Thanks in anticipation
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by Ukutsgp(m): 4:29pm On Sep 22, 2014
SalC: Can you just answer that question even if it means doing your usual copy and paste or simply say you can't answer it?. Since am ignorant of the bible I want to learn from you especially those verse and the questions I asked. Thanks in anticipation
tell me first how it supports purgatory. dnt u see d name of the person who wrote it there? i love dat article so much. i just decide to share it. i know that purgatory is fake right from when i was small. it is something invented to deceive.
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by vest(m): 4:32pm On Sep 22, 2014
SalC: Can you just answer that question even if it means doing your usual copy and paste or simply say you can't answer it?. Since am ignorant of the bible I want to learn from you especially those verse and the questions I asked. Thanks in anticipation


I Swear He Can't

I Dare Him
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by vest(m): 4:44pm On Sep 22, 2014
Ukutsgp: tell me first how it supports purgatory. dnt u see d name of the person who wrote it there? i love dat article so much. i just decide to share it. i know that purgatory is fake right from when i was small. it is something invented to deceive.

Tel Us How It Does Nt Support Purgatory?
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by Ukutsgp(m): 4:48pm On Sep 22, 2014
Rome’s doctrine of purgatory asserts
that when a Catholic dies and they have
committed venial sins or still have
temporal punishments for sin, they are
purified in the fires of purgatory so
they can enter heaven which requires
absolute perfection. The 1994 Catechism
of the Catholic Church says,
“The Church gives the name
Purgatory to this final purification
of the elect, which is entirely
different from the punishment of the
damned. The Church formulated her
doctrine of faith on Purgatory
especially at the Councils of Florence
and Trent. The tradition of the
Church, by reference to certain texts
of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing
fire: As for certain lesser faults, we
must believe that, before Final
Judgement, there is a purifying
fire” (The Catechism of the Catholic
Church, [DoubleDay, 1994], par. 1031
p. 291).
Catholic scholar John Hardon also
explains:
“there exists purgatory, in which the
souls of the just who die with the
stains of sins are cleansed by
expiation before they are admitted
to heaven. . . . ‘stains of sins’ . . .
means the temporal punishment due
to venial or mortal sins already
forgiven as to guilt but not fully
remitted as to penalty when a
person dies. It may also mean the
venial sins themselves, not forgiven
either as to guilt or punishment
before death” (John A. Hardon, The
Catholic Catechism, [DoubleDay,
1981], p. 274).
The medieval Catholic theologian
Thomas Aquinas mentions, prior to the
resurrection, the “separated souls [in
purgatory], and the punishment
inflicted on them by fire” (Thomas
Aquinas, Summa Theologica , [Christian
Classics Ethereal Library], Sup, Qu. 69,
p. 6370 brackets mine). This is an
important issue which must be
addressed, since, not only is it
unbiblical and ahistorical, but Pope
Francis actually offered time off
purgatory to those who “follow him” on
twitter (www.theguardian.com/
world/2013/jul/16/vatican-indulgences-
pope-francis-tweets ). The blasphemous
idea that you can click a button on a
keyboard and follow the pope on twitter
in order to go to heaven faster is utterly
opposed to the biblical teaching
concerning the sufficiency of Jesus’ once
for all atonement bringing men to
heaven.
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by SalC: 4:48pm On Sep 22, 2014
Ukutsgp: tell me first how it supports purgatory. dnt u see d name of the person who wrote it there? i love dat article so much. i just decide to share it. i know that purgatory is fake right from when i was small. it is something invented to deceive.
The time you used in writing this could have been used to answer my question, you called me ignorant and I wish to learn from you, realise I didn't mention purgatory in that post, I only put up scripture verse and asked you questions as regard them, when you answer me, I will tell you how it relates to purgatory, afterall I asked first,

And please don't run around talking off point because I already know you, just go straight to the point.

And yes I saw the name and it didn't change the fact that you copied and pasted his work, and for the fact that you did, you should be prepared to defend every bit of it.
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by Ukutsgp(m): 4:49pm On Sep 22, 2014
The Holy Scripture knows nothing of a
place called purgatory. After examining
the various arguments put forth by
Roman apologists in order to try to
prove the teaching, Catholic scholar
Richard P. McBrien admitted, “There is,
for all practical purposes, no biblical
basis for the doctrine of
purgatory” (Richard P. McBrien,
Catholicism: New Edition , [HarperOne,
1994], p. 1166).
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by SalC: 4:52pm On Sep 22, 2014
vest:

I Swear He Can't

I Dare Him
I already know that guy, it requires a lot of patience to address his case
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by Ukutsgp(m): 4:55pm On Sep 22, 2014
SalC: The time you used in writing this could have been used to answer my question, you called me ignorant and I wish to learn from you, realise I didn't mention purgatory in that post, I only put up scripture verse and asked you questions as regard them, when you answer me, I will tell you how it relates to purgatory, afterall I asked first,

And please don't run around talking off point because I already know you, just go straight to the point.

And yes I saw the name and it didn't change the fact that you copied and pasted his work, and for the fact that you did, you should be prepared to defend every bit of it.
i dnt need to defend it cos d fact is so clear that even a small child will know that it is fake.

dnt u copy and paste too?
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by Ukutsgp(m): 4:59pm On Sep 22, 2014
SalC: I already know that guy, it requires a lot of patience to address his case
stop d crude joke. how does that simple verse relate to purgatory.
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by SalC: 5:01pm On Sep 22, 2014
Ukutsgp: i dnt need to defend it cos d fact is so clear that even a small child will know that it is fake.

dnt u copy and paste too?
Well I didn't see any fact there let alone a clear one, you should fish out the facts for us to see.

I seldom copy peoples' work and if I do, I will be ready to defend it unlike you.

I have not even started and you are already running away, just go back and answer my question and stop this childish one liners,
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by SalC: 5:03pm On Sep 22, 2014
Ukutsgp: stop d crude joke. how does that simple verse relate to purgatory.
Let me put it in a way you can comprehend, what are those verses talking about, answer my question or can't you find a place to copy and paste answers to my questions grin
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by cktheluckyman: 5:17pm On Sep 22, 2014
Ukutsgp: u are ignorant of scriptures. this scripture u quoted does not support purgatory. there is nothing like purgatory. it is a fable.

1 Peter 3:18-20 is one texts
Catholics misuse in order to support
purgatory. It says after His death, Christ
was
“18. . . made alive in the spirit, 19in
which he went and proclaimed to
the spirits in prison, 20because they
formerly did not obey, when God's
patience waited in the days of Noah,
while the ark was being prepared,
in which a few, that is, eight
persons, were brought safely through
water” (1 Peter 3:18-20).
Although the Catholic scholars Scott
Hahn and Curtis Mitch do not argue this
text refers to purgatory or humans, but
instead to Jesus descending to Hades to
proclaim to the fallen angels who were
locked up there (Scott Hahn, Curtis
Mitch, Ignatius Catholic Study Bible New
Testament, [Ignatius Press, 2010], p.
456), other Catholics nevertheless
understand this text as referring to
purgatory. For example, Patrick Madrid
cites this text as proof for purgatory on
page 86 his book Where is That in the
Bible? However, this is incorrect. What
the text is actually saying is that after
His crucifixion Jesus was made alive in
the Spirit in the same way He was when
He, through Noah and his ministry,
proclaimed the truth to those alive then.
In other words, through Noah, Jesus, in
the time as the flood, preached
repentance to the lost world prior. And
these people are now in Hades or the
prison. Jesus did not go to Hades and
proclaim to spirits there. Instead the
spirits of men which are there now (or
there at the time of Peter’s writing)
were people Jesus proclaimed to while
they were alive at the time of Noah. As
John Gill explains:
“The plain and easy sense of the
words is, that Christ, by his Spirit, by
which he was quickened, went in the
ministry of Noah, the preacher of
righteousness, and preached both by
words and deeds, by the personal
ministry of Noah, and by the
building of the ark, to that
generation who was then in being;
and who being disobedient, and
continuing so, a flood was brought
upon them which destroyed them all;
and whose spirits, or separate souls,
were then in the prison . . . when
the Apostle Peter wrote this epistle;
so that Christ neither went into this
prison, nor preached in it, nor to
spirits that were then in it when he
preached, but to persons alive in the
days of Noah” (John Gill, Exposition
of the Entire Bible , 1 Peter 3:19)
This view was affirmed by Augustine in
his work Letters , 164 and is backed up
by 1 Peter 1:10-11 which, concerning
Old Testament times, speaks of the Spirit
of Christ being in the prophets
prophesying about grace and the
sufferings of Jesus. 1 Peter 4:6 also says
“the gospel was preached even to those
who are dead” (1 Peter 4:6) thus
supporting our case.



18. . . made alive in the spirit, 19in
which he went and proclaimed to
the spirits in prison, 20because they
formerly did not obey, when God's
patience waited in the days of Noah,
while the ark was being prepared,
in which a few, that is, eight
persons, were brought safely through
water


This passage is so explicit that even a 4-ear old child will understand it.It is not talking about any fallen angels rather it is talking about the souls of the people who didnt repent during noah's time.It is telling us that they were kept in prison(purgatory) till christ went and preached to them during his 3 days in the grave.Chapter 4 vs6 gies further to explain why the good news was preached to this souls even when they have died.

6 For this is the reason the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged according to human standards in regard to the body, but live according to God in regard to the spirit.


1 JOHN 5:16-17

you see your brother sin a sin that does not lead to death, pray to God who will give him life, for those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin which leads to death, I do not ask you to pray for those...1John 5:16

This pasage asks us to pray for the souls who die in sin that does not lead to death.That is why catholics pray for the souls of their loved ones in event they died in that state




the problem with people like you is that of dogamtism.Even with scripture passages staring at you,your obstinacy refuses to give way.

I John
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by Ukutsgp(m): 5:25pm On Sep 22, 2014
SalC: Let me put it in a way you can comprehend, what are those verses talking about, answer my question or can't you find a place to copy and paste answers to my questions grin
first. mention d sin not leading to death for me? is fornication, adultery, lying etc. what is d sin pls.
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by vest(m): 5:36pm On Sep 22, 2014
Ukutsgp: first. mention d sin not leading to death for me? is fornication, adultery, lying etc. what is d sin pls.
First Of All Do You Agree That Dey Are Sins Not Leading To Death?
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by SalC: 5:36pm On Sep 22, 2014
Ukutsgp: first. mention d sin not leading to death for me? is fornication, adultery, lying etc. what is d sin pls.
You just said I am ignorant of the bible, how comes you want an ignorant person to teach you. God ahead and answer my question or are you saying the scripture was wrong for saying there is a sin which does not lead to death? grin
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by Ukutsgp(m): 5:38pm On Sep 22, 2014
@cktheluckyman.

what u posted there is rubbish. here is d truth in case u did nt comprehend the post u quoted. summary

What
the text is actually saying is that after
His crucifixion Jesus was made alive in
the Spirit in the same way He was when
He, through Noah and his ministry,
proclaimed the truth to those alive then.
In other words, through Noah, Jesus, in
the time as the flood, preached
repentance to the lost world prior. And
these people are now in Hades or the
prison. Jesus did not go to Hades and
proclaim to spirits there. Instead the
spirits of men which are there now (or
there at the time of Peter’s writing)
were people Jesus proclaimed to while
they were alive at the time of Noah.

Jesus did not go to any spirit world.
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by Ukutsgp(m): 5:40pm On Sep 22, 2014
SalC: You just said I am ignorant of the bible, how comes you want an ignorant person to teach you. God ahead and answer my question or are you saying the scripture was wrong for saying there is a sin which does not lead to death? grin
long story. mention d sin na
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by Ukutsgp(m): 5:41pm On Sep 22, 2014
vest: First Of All Do You Agree That Dey Are Sins Not Leading To Death?
what are those sin? mentioned d sin. is it lying?
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by Ukutsgp(m): 5:56pm On Sep 22, 2014
There is no such place as purgatory . It is but
another doctrine of devils. It gives mankind the
false hope that he can still make things right with
God after death.

the deceiver is simply at his old work again. Sadly,
many will hold onto the thought that they can still
redeem themselves by suffering after death,
instead of placing their total faith in the shed
blood of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Re: Purgatory: Purifying Fire Or Fatal Fable? By Mike Gendron. by SalC: 5:57pm On Sep 22, 2014
Ukutsgp: @cktheluckyman.

what u posted there is rubbish. here is d truth in case u did nt comprehend the post u quoted. summary

What
the text is actually saying is that after
His crucifixion Jesus was made alive in
the Spirit in the same way He was when
He, through Noah and his ministry,
proclaimed the truth to those alive then.
In other words, through Noah, Jesus, in
the time as the flood, preached
repentance to the lost world prior. And
these people are now in Hades or the
prison. Jesus did not go to Hades and
proclaim to spirits there. Instead the
spirits of men which are there now (or
there at the time of Peter’s writing)
were people Jesus proclaimed to while
they were alive at the time of Noah.

Jesus did not go to any spirit world.
See twisting. shocked
Fine so what is the significance of Christ being made alive in the spirit in which he preached through Noah?

For christ died for sin once and for all, a good man on behalf of sinners in order to lead you to God. He was put to death physically, but made alive spiritually, and in his spiritual existence he went to preach to imprisoned spirits. These were the spirit of those who had not obeyed God when he waited patiently during the days that Noah was building his boat, the few people in the boat-eight in all- were saved by the water. 1 Pet 3:18-20

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