LagosShia:

yes, every Muslim group/sect and also non-Muslim ones do TAKFIR. that is every group believes the other is disbelieving or is a kafir and are not guaranteed salvation. in other words every group says its own teachings are what leads to salvation when/if followed. however, when Wahhabis/Salafists are tagged "takfiris" or accused of takfir, it is because their own takfir is a bloody takfir!

other than the Wahhabis/Salafists i have not heard of any Muslim group that goes into mosques/churches and randomly shoot or blow up people because they are not Wahhabis/Salafists, or the victims do not believe as them. it is not part of Islam that we Muslims should kill unbelievers, simply for the fact that they do not believe. we are only to fight/kill people who have transgressed against us and in fact declared war on us. if there is no factor of aggression involved, it is only wahhabis/salafists who kill randomly others for holding opposing views. this intolerance isn't part of Islam, or the religion with the holy book in which it is stated: "there is no compulsion in religion".

There is no Shia, Sufi, or a mainstream Sunni Muslim believer who have gone into mosques or churches to kill worshipers. all the church and mosque bombings are committed by the group that holds doctrines to support bloody takfir. otherwise, PLEASE PROVIDE ONE INSTANCE A SHIA, FULLY BACKED WITH FATWAS FROM ANY AYATOLLAH OR NOT, OR A MAINSTREAM NON-WAHHABI SUNNI, WHO HAVE GONE TO BLOW MOSQUES AND CHURCHES IN THE NAME OF GOD/ISLAM. I CHALLENGE ANYONE, YOU WILL NOT FIND ONE INSTANCE!!!

the verse that gave us right to fight (in self-defense) mentions the circumstances in which we are allowed to fight:

"Permission [to fight] has been given to those who are being fought, because they were wronged. And indeed, Allah is competent to give them victory.[They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, "Our Lord is Allah ." And were it not that Allah checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allah is much mentioned. And Allah will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might." (22:39-40)

As long as shias exist in the very heartland of the so called wahabis, saudi arabia, in large number, then all u said above remains speculation and at best has little basis in reality. What again is a fatwa, a non binding legal opinion, like the disbelievers these fatwa to u serve as a basis to label entire group. Now talk of no shia or any other group has done suicide bombing in mosques etc, the 72 sunni muslims who died during a suicide bombing in mosque during jumah in Iraq will disagree, the numerous mosques assad has levelled in Syria refutes this denial, the numerous dead syrians in the hands of hezboshaytan, communist Iran and assad forces in Syria would disagree. The bottom line remain, if shia exist in large number in Saudi the very heartland of the so called wahabis, then either such fatwas served as no basis for murder nor does your claim of bloody takfirs. Let us apply our common sense and judge the issues right!

vedaxcool:
As long as shias exist in the very heartland of the so called wahabis, saudi arabia, in large number, then all u said above remains speculation and at best has little basis in reality. What again is a fatwa, a non binding legal opinion, like the disbelievers these fatwa to u serve as a basis to label entire group. Now talk of no shia or any other group has done suicide bombing in mosques etc, the 72 sunni muslims who died during a suicide bombing in mosque during jumah in Iraq will disagree, the numerous mosques assad has levelled in Syria refutes this denial, the numerous dead syrians in the hands of hezboshaytan, communist Iran and assad forces in Syria would disagree. The bottom line remain, if shia exist in large number in Saudi the very heartland of the so called wahabis, then either such fatwas served as no basis for murder nor does your claim of bloody takfirs. Let us apply our common sense and judge the issues right!

it is always the wish of Wahhabis/Salafists to drag the Shia into the mud, and make them their equal in criminality on the pages of newspapers. the Sunni mosque you are referring to was destroyed by ISIL. after the numerous attacks on Shia mosques and holy places in Iraq since 2003, if it wasn't for the wisdom,islamic principles and restraint of Shia scholars and the respect and authority they command from the majority Shia population of Iraq, no Sunni mosque would still be standing in Iraq. it is however evident that Wahhabis/Salafists do not only target Shias, Sufis and Christians, but also their fellow Sunnis who do not share their views, and who in fact oppose their ideology, just as the Sunni imam of the mosque you are mentioning opposed ISIL. it has always been the aim of the Wahhabis/Salafists to sow sectarian strife and killings between the Sunnis and Shias, and that is also the same goal of the Zionists, the masters of the Wahhabi kingdoms and terror groups.

as for assad, his troops are mostly nationalist and patriotic Sunnis, and they are the armed forces of the Syrian Arab Republic. terrorists dont hide in mosques and use them for launching attacks and keeping weapons, and then cry crocodile tears if the country's army level that mosque. and by the way, you are talking of empty mosques here, or mosques filled with terrorists and ammunition in the midst of an ongoing brutal civil war , not mosques filled with Sunni worshipers, or church filled with christian worshipers in times of peace that get bombed in sudden attacks by Wahhabi/Salafist terrorists. the difference is very clear. and i would kindly excuse myself after this post because the thread would degenerate, and i would kindly like to maintain respect and order. my challenge is for us to have examples of non-wahhabi muslims (be they shia, sufi or mainstream sunnis) bombing the places where others of different beliefs and views are busy worshiping. again, you wont find one instance.

as for you talking about the existence of the Shia in Saudi Arabia, i would leave you to watch the below by a Saudi Shia cleric-Ayatollah Nimr-who is currently in prison facing the death penalty for speaking his mind and exercising free speech-to tell you about what it means to be Shia in Wahhabi Saudi Arabia:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb-OSh5Hnvw

vedaxcool:
... the hands of hezboshaytan, communist Iran...

"Invite to the Way of your Lord (i.e. Islam) with wisdom and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly, your Lord knows best who has gone astray from His Path, and He is the Best Aware of those who are guided." Sura Nahl:125

I just wonder when people like you will grow up in the course of dialogue.

LagosShia:
it is always the wish of Wahhabis/Salafists to drag the Shia into the mud, and make them their equal in criminality on the pages of newspapers. the Sunni mosque you are referring to was destroyed by ISIL. after the numerous attacks on Shia mosques and holy places in Iraq since 2003, if it wasn't for the wisdom,islamic principles and restraint of Shia scholars and the respect and authority they command from the majority Shia population of Iraq, no Sunni mosque would still be standing in Iraq. it is however evident that Wahhabis/Salafists do not only target Shias, Sufis and Christians, but also their fellow Sunnis who do not share their views, and who in fact oppose their ideology, just as the Sunni imam of the mosque you are mentioning opposed ISIL. it has always been the aim of the Wahhabis/Salafists to sow sectarian strife and killings between the Sunnis and Shias, and that is also the same goal of the Zionists, the masters of the Wahhabi kingdoms and terror groups.
as for assad, his troops are mostly nationalist and patriotic Sunnis, and they are the armed forces of the Syrian Arab Republic. terrorists dont hide in mosques and use them for launching attacks and keeping weapons, and then cry crocodile tears if the country's army level that mosque. and by the way, you are talking of empty mosques here, or mosques filled with terrorists and ammunition in the midst of an ongoing brutal civil war , not mosques filled with Sunni worshipers, or church filled with christian worshipers in times of peace that get bombed in sudden attacks by Wahhabi/Salafist terrorists. the difference is very clear. and i would kindly excuse myself after this post because the thread would degenerate, and i would kindly like to maintain respect and order. my challenge is for us to have examples of non-wahhabi muslims (be they shia, sufi or mainstream sunnis) bombing the places where others of different beliefs and views are busy worshiping. again, you wont find one instance.
as for you talking about the existence of the Shia in Saudi Arabia, i would leave you to watch the below by a Saudi Shia cleric-Ayatollah Nimr-who is currently in prison facing the death penalty for speaking his mind and exercising free speech-to tell you about what it means to be Shia in Wahhabi Saudi Arabia:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb-OSh5Hnvw

Shia militants are responsible for the suicide bombing in the iraqi mosque during Jumaah, the badr bridrage has been enganged in sectarian killings, . . . but I don't expect you to be honest in admitting the truth.

My point still remains,

The bottom line remain, if shia exist in large number in Saudi the very heartland of the so called wahabis, then either such fatwas served as no basis for murder nor does your claim of bloody takfirs. Let us apply our common sense and judge the issues right!

Shia Iran is mudering Sunnis for converting and imprisoning them for converting to true Islam

http://sunniprisonersiran.com/another-ahwazi-sunni-convert-arrested-in-iran/

http://sunniprisonersiran.com/seven-sunni-converts-arrested-for-holding-congregational-taraweeh-prayers-in-ahwaz-iran/

http://sunniprisonersiran.com/sunni-prisoner-awaiting-execution-transferred-to-hospital-in-iran/

When you talk of free speech does it exist in Iran?

September 22:

Eleven Iranians accused of sending insulting SMS text messages about Islamic republic founder Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini have been arrested in the southern province of Shiraz, a newspaper reported today.

"After monitoring social network applications on mobile phones like WhatsApp, Viber, Line and tango ... 11 people were arrested," the provincial Revolutionary Guards chief, General Esmail Mohebipour, said.

"They recognised the error of their ways," the Haft e-Sobh daily cited the general as saying.

On Saturday, Iran's judiciary issued a one-month ultimatum for the government to ban such social networking apps, in a move that would boost existing restrictions on Internet use.

The ultimatum came after the discovery of messages criticising Khomeini.

Local media reports said similar messages had also been sent about current officials in the Iranian government, including supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

Iran has a policy of filtering online content, which leaves popular websites such as Facebook, Twitter and YouTube inaccessible without the use of illegal software.

Internet censorship is a bone of contention between conservative hardliners and government members including President Hassan Rouhani who use social networks.

Official figures show that more than 30 million Iranians also use such applications.

Rouhani has said that Internet censorship is counter- productive, and one study showed that 69 percent of young Iranians use special software to get round the restrictions.

In May, the president vetoed a plan to ban WhatsApp after it was bought by Facebook founder and CEO Mark Zuckerberg.

In Iran, Zuckerberg has been dubbed the "Zionist manager" of Facebook because of his Jewish heritage

http://www.siasat.com/english/news/iran-arrests-11-over-sms-khomeini-insults-report

Imagine spying on people and reading their text, tomorrow the same regime will hypocritical complain about America's behavior, my point next time the ayatollah should remember even his masters in Iran do accept speaking freely!

EOD

Sunni prisoners held in the Iranian city of Karaj allege that they were subjected to severe torture including the use of electric shocks, Human Rights Watch (HRW) said in a report released on Monday.

The report, ‘Locked Up in Karaj, Spotlight on Political Prisoners in One Iranian City’, focuses on political prisoners held in three prisons in the northern city of Karaj in Iran.

Extracts from the report which detail the condition of Sunni prisoners of conscience have been reproduced below:

“Many of the prisoners held in this room describe themselves as Sunni activists or “missionaries” who support a strict, literalist interpretation of Sunni Islam, a source familiar with these cases told Human Rights Watch. Most are from Iran’s Kurdish or Baluch communities but some are citizens of foreign countries, according to the same source.” [p44]

“The judiciary has issued death sentences for at least 33 of these prisoners and they are at imminent risk of execution. Human Rights Watch believes most of the men were arrested by Intelligence Ministry officials in the western province of Kordestan in 2009 and 2010, and held in solitary confinement during their pretrial detention for several months without access to a lawyer or relatives. Thirty one of them were tried by Branch 28 of the Revolutionary Court of Tehran, while one was tried by Branch 15 of the Revolutionary Court of Tehran and another by a branch of the Revolutionary Court of Sanandaj.” [p45]

“Several sources familiar with the cases of six of these prisoners— Hamed Ahmadi, Jamshid Dehghani, Jahangir Dehghani, Kamal Molaei, Sedigh Mohammadi, and Seyed Hadi Hosseini— told Human Rights Watch that all six deny that they killed anyone or had any involvement in violent acts.”

“The men allege severe torture, including the use of electric shocks and threats of sexual assault, prolonged solitary confinement, and coerced confessions at the hands of Intelligence Ministry officials during their pretrial detention in the city of Sanandaj in Kurdistan Province.”

“Ahmadi, Jahangir Dehghani, Jamshid Dehghani and Molaei are accused of killing Mullah Mohammad Sheikh al-Islam, a senior Sunni cleric with ties to the Iranian authorities. They have denied the accusation, saying that they were arrested between June and July 2009, several months before the sheikh’s killing, in September. Their trial took place in Branch 28 of Tehran’s Revolutionary Court and took no longer than 10 minutes, during which they were not allowed to offer a defense.”

“The Supreme Court upheld their death sentences in September 2013, and the sentences have been sent to the Office for the Implementation of Sentences, the official body in charge of carrying out executions. The men are considered to be at imminent risk of execution.”

“Before appearing before the judge none of the six knew that they had been charged with “enmity against God” or that they could receive death sentences.”

“As of June 2014, the Supreme Court also confirmed the death sentences of four other members of the group—Seyed Jamal Mousavi, Abdorahman Sangani, Sedigh Mohammadi and Seyed Hadi Hosseini. The other 25 men remain on death row pending review by the Supreme Court.” [p47]

Source: Human Rights Watch (HRW): Locked Up in Karaj, Spotlight on Political Prisoners in One Iranian City, August 18, 2014. ISBN: 978-1-62313-1531


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Let me sound like one unrepentant hypocrite i this thread, I thank ... for posting this with "independent" as source knowing that other websites like sunniprison posted the caption. It is people like them that will first comment its a sunni propaganda. Now its "american" propaganda.

what is the difference between someone who kills you after a 10min trial and a suicide bombing!

THE COUNTRY THAT STILL PRACTICE BARBARITY AND BEHEADS PEOPLE LIKE TERRORISTS GROUPS (E.G. ISIL AND BOKO HARAM) DO- THE WAHHABI KINGDOM OF SAUDI ARABIA!!!

Saudi Arabia Beheads 26 People in 1 Month, Some for ‘Sorcery': US, FOX Has Nothing to Say About it (Images)

Posted by: Richard Rowe in Crime, Economic Issues, Image Gallery, World September 5, 2014

We condemn ISIS’ public beheadings, but in 2012-13, our allies in Saudi Arabia cut the heads off of 79 people.

Let’s play “Compare and Contrast” for a moment: Two oppressive, authoritarian Muslim regimes acting under the auspices of Sharia Law publicly behead scores of non-violent people, primarily to instill fear in those who might resist said regime’s self-asserted authority over the region.

People whose heads are cut off are disproportionately foreign nationals, or locals with religious or ideological differences. One of them is ISIS, the other is the government of Saudi Arabia. Which one are we bombing again?

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Public beheading in Saudi Arabia. Photo: SaudiArabian.TV.

In 2012 and 2013, Saudi Arabia cut the heads off of 79 people for various “crimes” throughout the nation, and it looks like they’re trying to hit the same target this year. Unfortunately, there was a bit of a slowdown earlier in the year, so Saudi Arabia is doing its best to catch up and maintain its previous record.

But Saudi Arabia’s beheadings aren’t just about keeping a title. As London researcher Sevag Kechichian told Al Jazeera:

“One of the reasons behind the surge in executions could be that the Saudi Arabian authorities want to send a strong message that the regime is stable, and does not tolerate breaches of the law in the aftermath of the 2011 uprising and calls for reform in Saudi Arabia including by the country’s Shia Muslim community.”


Saudi Arabian officials display the beheaded bodies of five Yemeni nationals. Photo: The Commentator.

While some would say that the killings aren’t politically motivated (at least in the sense that protesters aren’t being arrested en masse in the Eastern Provinces and beheaded), the King certainly looks to be sending a message since the Qatif protests began in 2011.

Prior to 2011, Saudi Arabia averaged about 27 executions a year; when the King announced a “crackdown” of law enforcement, that number multiplied by three times over almost immediately. And there the figure has stayed. A few examples:
•Once of those beheaded was a prominent Shia cleric named Nimir al Nimir, who was executed for “inciting violence” in his speeches, and “supporting unrest” in his native, heavily Shia area of Qatif.
•Four of those decapitated on August 18th were a family convicted for smuggling “large quantities of cannabis” into the country. They maintained that they were framed by police for the crime, and were tortured into giving false confessions. The appeal was summarily dismissed by a higher court, and the family was executed.
•A man was executed the next day for “sorcery.” And he is far from the first. A similar execution took place in 2012 for a man convicted of possessing “books and talismans,” Between 2011 and 2012, at least five women were decapitated for “witchcraft,” and the practice continues unabated today.

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Yet another public beheading in Saudi Arabia. Photo: IBTimes.

Of course, a fair number of the beheadings were for murder convictions and rape, both punishable by death in Saudi Arabia. But just as many were for any one of the following:
•Apostacy (leaving Islam)
•Blasphemy
•Idolatry
•Homosexuality
•Sedition
•Sorcery
•Witchcraft
•Adultry
•Drug Use

In fact, the Saudis love chopping heads so much, that from 2007 to 2012 alone, fully 6.8 percent of all executions in the world (excluding China, which doesn’t publish figures) were committed by Saudi Arabia. This in a nation that only contains about 0.3 percent of the world’s population — that’s about 22 times the rate of the per-capita average worldwide. And it’s getting higher. Almost all of them were decapitations; in fact, statistically, almost all of annual decapitations worldwide are state-sanctioned killings in Saudi Arabia. Many of them are foreign nationals who have done nothing more egregious than cross the will of the ruling theocracy.

And…FOX News says…what, exactly?

Again, there are those who’d say “Well, Saudi Arabia is a strict country — the laws are the laws, and the punishments are the punishments.” And yes, that’s true…except, it isn’t.

Saudi Arabia has no codified system of crime and punishment the way we do, insofar as specific offenses warrant specific punishments. The King of Saudi Arabia appoints state-sanctioned religious clerics to act as judges, and those judges are free to hand out any sentence they like for any crime they like, and are not bound by the presentation of evidence or burden of proof. In short, in Saudi Arabia, if a judge wants you dead, you’re dead. Guilty or innocent, you’re dead. Much as in our own Salem Witch Trials, the only “evidence” required is an accusation.

And even more to the point, a judge is free to not sentence you to death, or even imprisonment, even if you are rightfully convicted of something as egregious as murder. Saudi judges hold absolute power, and are accountable to no one but the King himself.

And that King wants to send a message.

So, let’s go back to Compare and Contrast between ISIS and Saudi Arabia:

Comparison
•Both ISIS and Saudi Arabia are lead by fundamentalist religious extremists.
•Both ISIS and Saudi Arabia routinely oppress the will of the native population, particularly religious minority groups.
•Both ISIS and Saudi Arabia embrace foreign nationals who support the will of the regime.
•Both ISIS and Saudi Arabia routinely and publicly behead people who oppose the authority or will of the current regime.
•Both ISIS and Saudi Arabia are free to chop the heads off of citizens and foreign nationals without any accountability to anyone but the rulers of the regime.
•Both ISIS and Saudi Arabia do so in order to send a message of fear to those who oppose them.
•Neither ISIS nor Saudi Arabia need any proof of wrongdoing in order to stage a public beheading.
•Both ISIS and Saudi Arabia perform these public beheadings in the name of God.

Contrast
•Saudi Arabia is an ally who sells us oil for cheap, whereas ISIS is sitting on oil fields we don’t control.
•Saudi Arabia is friends with Israel, whereas ISIS is not.
•Saudi Arabia has its own nationalized oil fields, whereas ISIS is threatening the Israeli-held shale oil fields in Syria, in the occupied Golan Heights.
•Saudi Arabia is friends with FOX and its British cousin SKY, whereas ISIS is directly threatening the Israeli-held shale oil fields owned by Rupert Murdoch (FOX) and Jacob Rothschild (SKY).
•Saudi Arabian oil money funded Osama Bin Laden, whereas ISIS oil money funds a bunch of guys who aren’t friends with the Bush family, American oil companies or conservative media billionaires.

BONUS
•Saudi Arabian king tells Americans “ISIS jihadists will be beheading people in America in two months — you see how they carry out beheadings and make children show severed heads in the street. Respond to ISIS now with all necessary force and speed.”
•Whereas ISIS tells Americans “Stop bombing us.”


Saudi Arabian public beheading — a practice that American conservatives and Saudi Arabians called “savage, barbaric and animalistic” when ISIS did exactly the same.

http://aattp.org/saudi-arabia-beheads-26-people-in-1-month-some-for-sorcery-us-fox-has-nothing-to-say-about-it/

vedaxcool: Sunni prisoners held in the Iranian city of Karaj allege that they were subjected to severe torture including the use of electric shocks, Human Rights Watch (HRW) said in a report released on Monday.
The report, ‘Locked Up in Karaj, Spotlight on Political Prisoners in One Iranian City’, focuses on political prisoners held in three prisons in the northern city of Karaj in Iran.
Extracts from the report which detail the condition of Sunni prisoners of conscience have been reproduced below:

“Many of the prisoners held in this room describe themselves as Sunni activists or “missionaries” who support a strict, literalist interpretation of Sunni Islam, a source familiar with these cases told Human Rights Watch. Most are from Iran’s Kurdish or Baluch communities but some are citizens of foreign countries, according to the same source.” [p44]
“The judiciary has issued death sentences for at least 33 of these prisoners and they are at imminent risk of execution. Human Rights Watch believes most of the men were arrested by Intelligence Ministry officials in the western province of Kordestan in 2009 and 2010, and held in solitary confinement during their pretrial detention for several months without access to a lawyer or relatives. Thirty one of them were tried by Branch 28 of the Revolutionary Court of Tehran, while one was tried by Branch 15 of the Revolutionary Court of Tehran and another by a branch of the Revolutionary Court of Sanandaj.” [p45]
“Several sources familiar with the cases of six of these prisoners— Hamed Ahmadi, Jamshid Dehghani, Jahangir Dehghani, Kamal Molaei, Sedigh Mohammadi, and Seyed Hadi Hosseini— told Human Rights Watch that all six deny that they killed anyone or had any involvement in violent acts.”
“The men allege severe torture, including the use of electric shocks and threats of sexual assault, prolonged solitary confinement, and coerced confessions at the hands of Intelligence Ministry officials during their pretrial detention in the city of Sanandaj in Kurdistan Province.”
“Ahmadi, Jahangir Dehghani, Jamshid Dehghani and Molaei are accused of killing Mullah Mohammad Sheikh al-Islam, a senior Sunni cleric with ties to the Iranian authorities. They have denied the accusation, saying that they were arrested between June and July 2009, several months before the sheikh’s killing, in September. Their trial took place in Branch 28 of Tehran’s Revolutionary Court and took no longer than 10 minutes, during which they were not allowed to offer a defense.”
“The Supreme Court upheld their death sentences in September 2013, and the sentences have been sent to the Office for the Implementation of Sentences, the official body in charge of carrying out executions. The men are considered to be at imminent risk of execution.”
“Before appearing before the judge none of the six knew that they had been charged with “enmity against God” or that they could receive death sentences.”
“As of June 2014, the Supreme Court also confirmed the death sentences of four other members of the group—Seyed Jamal Mousavi, Abdorahman Sangani, Sedigh Mohammadi and Seyed Hadi Hosseini. The other 25 men remain on death row pending review by the Supreme Court.” [p47]
Source: Human Rights Watch (HRW): Locked Up in Karaj, Spotlight on Political Prisoners in One Iranian City, August 18, 2014. ISBN: 978-1-62313-1531
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Let me sound like one unrepentant hypocrite i this thread, I thank ... for posting this with "independent" as source knowing that other websites like sunniprison posted the caption. It is people like them that will first comment its a sunni propaganda. Now its "american" propaganda.
what is the difference between someone who kills you after a 10min trial and a suicide bombing!

this is how the minds of fanatical, extremist Sunnis, aka Wahhabis/Salafist, work: they commit terrorism, kill innocent people, preach hatred, and call for the killings of all those who do not share their Wahhabi/Salafist ideology; when they get caught in Iran, Syria or any non-Sunni led state, they then claim to either be "Sunni civilians", "missionaries", "preachers" or "activists". worst, they would always pretend to be the victims, oppressed, marginalized and wronged, even when they take up arms to massacre others.

recently, the british police arrested the Salafist terror preacher, Anjem Choudry. when this man used to spew his venom, no Sunni fanatic would have the conscience to stop him. but when he gets arrested or sentenced, they would quickly forget his support for terrorism and point that he was a "preacher". yes, you can be a preacher, missionary, activist and even the pope himself, and still be a terror sponsor or terror mastermind, or out rightly a terrorist.

when the Sunni tyrant, Saddam was deposed, and the power shifted to the majority Shia in Iraq, it was the Sunni extremists-aka Wahhabis/Salafists- as usual who went on a killing spree of Shia faithfuls through suicide bombings, car bombs, beheading, and shootings. now you would point out that a Shia group bombed a Sunni mosque in "retaliatory attack". over a million Shia have been killed in Iraq since 2003 and their places of worship and even holy places desecrated and attacked; not by the american occupiers, but by so called Muslims who claim to believe in Allah (swt), yet their inhumanity is worse than beasts. yet still, while the Wahhabi/Salafist bloodsuckers boast in their killings of Shia "rafidis" and Christian kuffar, the Shia group that is accused by the bloodsuckers never come out to claim responsibility for killing innocent Sunni worshipers because bombing any place of worship is haram and not part of the faith of the Shia Muslims, and no Shia scholar would authorize that in the name of Islam or our doctrines. we do not accept responsibility for the death of Sunni worshipers, like your bloodsuckers not only accept, but cheer in targeting Shia and Christian worshipers in their places of worship. we do not accept...no be by force now!!! what is even more cynical is when Shia groups combat Wahhabi/Salafist bloodsuckers, and videos are released of how those coward bloodsuckers are eradicated, Sunni fanatics behind their keyboards would claim that those bloodsuckers are "Sunni civilians". they will not see that those bloodsuckers are cowards who can only succeed in committing suicide bombings against helpless civilians, and they cannot stand face to face to fight on the battlefield. the same happened in syria. the bloodsuckers would attack the syrian army, and when they get flushed, their propagandists claim those bloodsuckers are "sunni civilians". the same too might have happened or will happen in Nigeria. boko haram would kill innocent civilians, and attack the Nigerian army. when the army flush them out, propagandists claim that those bloodsuckers were "civilians" killed by the army. when would Sunnis, Wahhabi/Salafists or not, be true, sincere and honest to themselves? the atrocities you are committing have nothing to do with Islam, the Quran or Allah (swt), and you are the guilty party in all of these crimes against humanity.

In rare alliance, Shi'ites join Sunnis to defend Iraqi towns


By Raheem Salman and Yara Bayoumy

BAGHDAD Fri Oct 3, 2014 6:08am EDT

Reuters


(Reuters) - When Islamic State fighters tried to storm the Tigris River town of Dhuluiya north of Baghdad this week, they were repelled by a rare coalition of Sunni tribal fighters inside the town and Shi'ites in its sister city Balad on the opposite bank.

The assault, which began late on Tuesday ran into Thursday, was one of several major battles in recent days in which Sunni tribes joined pro-government forces against the militants, in what Baghdad and Washington hope is a sign of increasing cooperation across sectarian lines to save the country.

Further north, another powerful Sunni tribe fought alongside Kurdish forces to drive Islamic State fighters from Rabia, a town controlling one of the main border checkpoints used by fighters pouring in from Syria.

In western Iraq, Sunni tribes have fought alongside government troops in Hit, which was captured by Islamic State fighters on Thursday, and in Haditha, site of a strategic dam on the Euphrates.

Such local alliances are still rare: in most Sunni areas of Iraq, tribes have shown little sign of turning against militants as they did when they were recruited by U.S. troops in 2006-07. Many of the leaders of that Sunni "Awakening" movement were later arrested by Baghdad, in what Sunnis see as a betrayal.

Sectarian and ethnic animosity runs deep after a decade of civil war that has touched nearly every family, making it difficult for Sunnis, Shi'ites and Kurds to trust each other.

But nearly two months into a U.S.-led bombing campaign, this week's battles have provided the strongest early signs yet of what Washington and Baghdad hope could be a revival of the alliance with tribes to counter Islamic State.


"DEFENDING THEIR OWN FAMILIES"

Dhuluiya, which comes from the word "ribs", is a small town surrounded on three sides by a kink in the Tigris. A north-south highway runs through it, making it potentially one of the final stops for fighters attempting to assault Baghdad from the north.

When Islamic State fighters arrived in June, members of the al-Jubouri tribe refused their request to hand over 35 local police and security forces officers. Since then, there have been attacks and counter-attacks, while the Sunni tribesmen have been mostly besieged inside the town.

With no way out, they began receiving help from Balad, the mainly Shi'ite sister town on the opposite bank.

"We have no access now except using boats to go to Balad, the only place which helps us. The people of Balad have helped us with food, ammunition, weapons and receiving the wounded," said Abdullah Mohammed, a fighter from the Jubour tribe. "Some of them even fight with us."

The Dhuluiya municipality chief, Turki Khalaf Turki, said the cooperation could be a model for the country: "The starting point of unity in Iraq will be Dhuluiya, which wanted unity, while Islamic State wants sedition."

On Tuesday, the fighters launched what appeared to be a coordinated assault to capture the town once and for all. Insurgents flanked Dhuluiya from the eastern and northern sides, using mortars, RPG rounds, machine guns and hand grenades, Colonel Hussein al-Jubouri from Dhuluiya's police force said.

"We were able to stop them and our people have high morale because they are defending their town and families," he told Reuters on Wednesday, adding that the area was being targeted by mortars as they spoke. Nine residents and four fighters died.

Across the river, the insurgents also launched an attack on Balad near a Shi'ite shrine that would have allowed them to complete their siege of Dhuluiya. Abu Gyath, an influential Shi'ite sheikh, said fighters in Balad defended the territory to help the tribesmen across the river.

"If they control this area, God forbid, then Dhuluiya will be suffocated and it will be hard for us to send help. Otherwise, we pledged to help them as they are in a difficult situation," he said.


"FULL COOPERATION"

While such cooperation is rare, it is not unique.

In the north, members of the Shammar tribe helped Kurdish troops known as Peshmerga capture Rabia on Tuesday, the main border crossing between northern Iraq and Islamic State-held territory in eastern Syria.

Abdullah Yawar, a leading member of the tribe who long had an acrimonious relationship with Kurds, said he had been negotiating an alliance with Kurdish regional leader Massoud Barzani since Islamic State fighters swept into the north's biggest city Mosul in June.

Ahead of this week's Kurdish assault on Rabia, Yawar communicated with people inside the town to tell them that the forces coming to take it were "friendly".

"All of the Shammar are with the Peshmerga, and there is full cooperation between us," he told Reuters after the battle.

In Hit, a Euphrates River town west of Baghdad that fell to the militants on Thursday, the Sunni Albu Nimr tribe has reportedly clashed with the insurgents.

"When we saw Islamic State killing civilians, innocent people, destroying houses, they even took some of our men and we don't know their destiny till now," a member of the Albu Nimr tribe who declined to be named told Reuters.

"When we discovered their behavior and actions against Islamic teachings, we decided to stand against them, and we decided to fight any people standing against the army and the government."

In Haditha, a town by a strategic dam on the Euphrates further west, the Jaghaifi tribe has also allied with the security forces to thwart several attacks by Islamic State.

Ehsan al-Shimmeri, a political science professor at the University of Baghdad, said he saw an echo of the 2006-2007 "Awakening" movement.

"I think it represents a big transformation in fighting Islamic State at the level of Iraqi society," he said.


THIS MEANS WAR

In Dhuluiya, al-Jubouri tribal leaders initially hoped to avoid a clash with Islamic State when the fighters first stormed the town's outskirts in about 25 vehicles on June 14, four days after capturing Mosul.

The fighters told the townspeople their target was Baghdad and they did not plan to fight for control of Dhuluiya. A policeman recalled them announcing: "We just want to enter the town so that we can announce we've overrun it, put our flags on the buildings and leave."

Tribal leader Sheikh Mohammed Khamees was among a group of representatives of the town who met the fighters. Keen to avoid confrontation, Khamees initially agreed to let them enter.

But when the insurgents demanded the tribes hand over 35 security officers, "the tribe held a meeting, their demands were refused and we raised our weapons against them," Khamees told Reuters. "They said his means declaring war against us."

And so the battles began. On July 5, the militants launched a multi-pronged assault on the town, and exploded a wooden bridge that linked Balad to Dhuluiya. Police say more than 90 people have been killed and more than 400 wounded since June.

The decision by the town's Sunni tribesmen to hold out was praised in a sermon by a representative of Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, Iraq's top Shi'ite cleric, who called on the army to help them.

The alliance between Sunni Dhuluiya and Shi'ite Balad has required people in both towns to overcome sectarian animosity built up during a decade of war.

Abu Gyath, the Shi'ite sheikh in Balad who helped rally the town to the defense of Sunnis in Dhuluiya, said Sunni militants shot dead one of his sons in 2008 and another son was killed in a car bombing in 2011. But the arrival of Islamic State fighters persuaded him to overcome his animosity towards his Sunni neighbours to confront the bigger threat.

"Yes I wish to retaliate for the killings of my sons. But I feel sad now when I hear that the bombings (by Islamic State militants) have targeted any Sunni village," he told Reuters. "Although Balad was targeted a lot in the past, now Balad's people are helping Dhuluiya in this difficult time."

"Continuing this relationship is not easy, it needs time, and some people have to clean their hearts."


(Writing by Yara Bayoumy; Editing by Peter Graff)

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/03/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-dhuluiya-insight-idUSKCN0HS0RE20141003

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This alone should wake Muslims up, that house of Saud, whether they are called Wahabi-Salafi, are bogus. King Abdul Aziz collected 5000 British pound monthly to betray specific order of Allah in the Quran. When his people asked him why he did that and criticized him, Abdul Aziz said...>>
>>it's jizya ,
>>that he controls the British.
>>that 5000 pound sterling is meant to subdue them.

Alas! Mr. Abdul Aziz lied about this. Rather he formed alliance with the British which is forbidden in Surah Maida aya 51. That alliance is still there today. Westward alliance.

Saudi-Wahabi nation state will never create authentic caliphate. And believe it or not guys, house of Saud or Saudi-wahabi nation's state in coalition with judeo-christian terrorists alliance created isis for a purpose. All their campaign against the group is just a dust in our eyes. I do not neccessarily believe it poses a threat to the west or saudi. Thats propaganda as far as am i concern. What they want is what they getting now. Attention, to constantly portray islam as nemesis to the world. Make people turn away from the religion of truth. In that case, we have to look into hadith of Najd. There is a reason for these prophecies. Najd, the prophet said is "horn of shaitan". Saudi elites which rest her monopoly over hijaz and Haramain, all are from Najd. I dont know why some brothers here still support this evil kingdom. I can understand respecting them and carefully say things about them but in a situation like this, I think we should speak out.

On the other hand, the reason i cant publicly acknowledge Mr. Usermane on this is because he's completely out side the fold of mainstream Islam NOT mainstream orthodox as he likes to proclaim.

And when authentic kilafah arrives, house of Saud will be swept away. I thought Salafi brothers know this. Another thing to pay attention to is any time Israel attacks defenseless Palestine, Saudi is unmoved. They could only bickering. You think that's happening by accident?. Ever wonder why isis didnt attack Israel if they are truly authentic?. Guys, the same forces that created Saudi and guarantee her security is the same forces that created Israel and guarantee her security. So isis could only bluff but will never ever do anything that's is not on the script. So what we seeing on our tv screen daily about them is "hollysaudiwood". So usermane, remember i was talking about eschatology, isnt playing out right now?

Lastly, no matter criticism of them, we still gotta respect them one way or the other because they did some good stuff as well for the ummah at some point.

You are expecting IS to attack Israel?
Sturbon goat must Fear the Lion of the tribe of Israel...
When they(IS) knew how Israel has been treating the fvck-up out of Hamas their fellow terrorist brothers....

Macelliot:
You are expecting IS to attack Israel?
Sturbon goat must Fear the Lion of the tribe of Israel...
When they(IS) knew how Israel has been treating the fvck-up out of Hamas their fellow terrorist brothers....

Excuse me?. if you don't understand what is being discussed here kindly leave this thread, please.

AlBaqir:


"Invite to the Way of your Lord (i.e. Islam) with wisdom and fair preaching, and argue with them in a way that is better. Truly, your Lord knows best who has gone astray from His Path, and He is the Best Aware of those who are guided." Sura Nahl:125

I just wonder when people like you will grow up in the course of dialogue.

And I keep wondering when hypocrites like yourself would live up to the words they preach? Have you been temporarily blind to see the words of lagoshia zhulfiqar? I had given close to a week or 2 to practice what you preach yet you failed or did the spirit of hypocrisy blinded you? The same you who name a thread blatant liar and proceed to be calling people liar up and down assumes you are worthy quoting a verse that you merely pay lip service to? Quote me at your own peril! nonsense! Many thanks to zhulfiqar for exposing the dishonest nature of his brother, I always rely on you to show up the irrational nature of your ilk!

Zhulfiqar1:


[s]this is how the minds of fanatical, extremist Sunnis, aka Wahhabis/Salafist, work: they commit terrorism, kill innocent people, preach hatred, and call for the killings of all those who do not share their Wahhabi/Salafist ideology; when they get caught in Iran, Syria or any non-Sunni led state, they then claim to either be "Sunni civilians", "missionaries", "preachers" or "activists". worst, they would always pretend to be the victims, oppressed, marginalized and wronged, even when they take up arms to massacre others.

recently, the british police arrested the Salafist terror preacher, Anjem Choudry. when this man used to spew his venom, no Sunni fanatic would have the conscience to stop him. but when he gets arrested or sentenced, they would quickly forget his support for terrorism and point that he was a "preacher". yes, you can be a preacher, missionary, activist and even the pope himself, and still be a terror sponsor or terror mastermind, or out rightly a terrorist.

when the Sunni tyrant, Saddam was deposed, and the power shifted to the majority Shia in Iraq, it was the Sunni extremists-aka Wahhabis/Salafists- as usual who went on a killing spree of Shia faithfuls through suicide bombings, car bombs, beheading, and shootings. now you would point out that a Shia group bombed a Sunni mosque in "retaliatory attack". over a million Shia have been killed in Iraq since 2003 and their places of worship and even holy places desecrated and attacked; not by the american occupiers, but by so called Muslims who claim to believe in Allah (swt), yet their inhumanity is worse than beasts. yet still, while the Wahhabi/Salafist bloodsuckers boast in their killings of Shia "rafidis" and Christian kuffar, the Shia group that is accused by the bloodsuckers never come out to claim responsibility for killing innocent Sunni worshipers because bombing any place of worship is haram and not part of the faith of the Shia Muslims, and no Shia scholar would authorize that in the name of Islam or our doctrines. we do not accept responsibility for the death of Sunni worshipers, like your bloodsuckers not only accept, but cheer in targeting Shia and Christian worshipers in their places of worship. we do not accept...no be by force now!!! what is even more cynical is when Shia groups combat Wahhabi/Salafist bloodsuckers, and videos are released of how those coward bloodsuckers are eradicated, Sunni fanatics behind their keyboards would claim that those bloodsuckers are "Sunni civilians". they will not see that those bloodsuckers are cowards who can only succeed in committing suicide bombings against helpless civilians, and they cannot stand face to face to fight on the battlefield. the same happened in syria. the bloodsuckers would attack the syrian army, and when they get flushed, their propagandists claim those bloodsuckers are "sunni civilians". the same too might have happened or will happen in Nigeria. boko haram would kill innocent civilians, and attack the Nigerian army. when the army flush them out, propagandists claim that those bloodsuckers were "civilians" killed by the army. when would Sunnis, Wahhabi/Salafists or not, be true, sincere and honest to themselves? the atrocities you are committing have nothing to do with Islam, the Quran or Allah (swt), and you are the guilty party in all of these crimes against humanity.

Expecting you to speak anything that resembles the truth is like expecting a piece of foam to soak up the ocean!

Obviously you bear a lot of resemblance to this individual Accursed individual that celebrate the death of his mother

vedaxcool:

The same you who name a thread blatant liar

In the word of al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, Sheik Ibn Taimiyyah was labeled as a MUNAFIQ. So its a bit soft on my part for using the word "blatant liar".

vedaxcool:


And I keep wondering when hypocrites like yourself would live up to the words they preach? Have you been temporarily blind to see the words of lagoshia zhulfiqar? I had given close to a week or 2 to practice what you preach yet you failed or did the spirit of hypocrisy blinded you? ...and proceed to be calling people liar up and down assumes you are worthy quoting a verse that you merely pay lip service to? Quote me at your own peril! nonsense! Many thanks to zhulfiqar for exposing the dishonest nature of his brother, I always rely on you to show up the irrational nature of your ilk!

Grow up brother.

AlBaqir:

In the word of al-Hafiz Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, Sheik Ibn Taimiyyah was labeled as a MUNAFIQ. So its a bit soft on my part for using the word "blatant liar".
Grow up brother.

vedaxcool:

And I keep wondering when hypocrites like yourself would live up to the words they preach? Have you been temporarily blind to see the words of lagoshia zhulfiqar? I had given close to a week or 2 to practice what you preach yet you failed or did the spirit of hypocrisy blinded you? The same you who name a thread blatant liar and proceed to be calling people liar up and down assumes you are worthy quoting a verse that you merely pay lip service to? Quote me at your own peril! nonsense! Many thanks to zhulfiqar for exposing the dishonest nature of his brother, I always rely on you to show up the irrational nature of your ilk!