Mondisweets: you cant call it an argument when u don't know full and primary custody is the same thing seriously just go to sleep though

pickabeau1:

So educate me if I am wrong

Lawyer mondi....

Request for a refund of d fees n go into public speaking

Mondisweets: why does my degree bother you so much that you have to mention it everywhere you see me

pickabeau1:

U mention it everytime
I will not if. U don't again....
Educate us on custody types ooo
Don't derail. d issue

Mondisweets: i haven't even mentioned it more than 5 times since i joined NL in 2012 and for some reason you have mentioned it on every single thread you quote me. How it concerns your life, i really wonder

pickabeau1:

No..my dear
U mention it any time when u want to make points....
Back to d issue... explain custody types

Mondisweets: funny enough i never mentioned it here, you just had to bring it up and this is like the second time in less than a month. Its pathetic, you really need to stop it if you have a life, kindly concentrate on that please

lomaxx: With all the curves and poosies in the world, what beats me is why a man would give up his anus to another man to phuck!! It beats me.

Vikky014: HAHAHA LOMAXX!

lomaxx:

Doesn't it beat you too?

pickabeau1:
They r who they are and they can't change it
Science has shown that to be so also

TV01:

Can you please point us in the direction of this "conclusive" scientific evidence.

Cheers

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pickabeau1:


TV!

This science has prevailed on governments to grant them these rights..

Its a moving train

Lol

TV01:

Can you please point us in the direction of this "conclusive" scientific evidence.

Cheers

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carefreewannabe: Can you prove it can be changed? Just curious.

TV01:
it was not science it was ideological lobbying.
Cases abound of 1. people who have renounced the lifestyle and 2. people who have willfully chosen it.


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TV01:
Can you prove it can't?

Google "I came out of a homosexual lifestyle" or variants.

It's a choice
Yes, it may be a strong inclination, but it is not biologically determined
It may be a serious of experiences, traumas, impressions, choices, feedback that builds up, but it is not normal
Giving it up may not be as simple as flipping a switch, but it can certainly be done. It really is a choice.

http://www.prodigalmagazine.com/on-homosexuality-its-ok-to-fight/
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/dailymusto/2012/01/cynthia_nixon_i_1.php


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carefreewannabe:

I asked for scientific proof.

TV01:
Morning,

You want me to scientifically disprove something that has not been scientifically established?

That's beyond even my renowned prowess !that have


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TV01:
Morning,

You want me to scientifically disprove something that has not been scientifically established?

That's beyond even my renowned prowess !


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carefreewannabe:

Good morning.

I don't want you to disprove anything, I want you to prove something.

You say homes*exuals can change. Prove it.

Babygal4eva:

What ever she did as long as it wasn't murder doesn't justify the judges decision , the mother almost always gets primary custody except in extreme cases so this is just pure bias.

I hope she appeals this decision.

cococandy: I won't do much except ask you were you ever saw my post saying fathers are primary care givers.
The way some of you wax mischievous all over the place can discourage anyone from wanting to interact meaningfully with you.
Asking fathers to become more involved with their kids now means mothers are no longer primary care givers?


Or saying a man who demands financial help from his wife should also try and contribute his quota in the home keeping front now makes him the primary care giver.

It's really a stressful endeavor trying to talk sense with folks who DELIBERATELY want to misunderstand you.

I hope you enjoying amusing yourself.

kandiikane:

What makes you think the dad wasn't a better care giver? Maybe they both worked and he was the one mainly at home. There is a difference between the relationship with the mum and the relationship with child. He may have been a bad hubby or a good hubby(we dont know the full facts) but I am certain he was a good parent for the judge to have given the man the children. If it was such as the woman says she should have appealed. I think she is just bitter that another man can take her husband.

TV01:
In the West, the mother is almost always given custody. It's not so much about who is the best caregive, as long as the women is competent. Who makes more doesn't matter, as they simply move the funds from husband to wife.

Unless she's not telling something here, I don't see how the judge would have granted him custody - not if details of his lifestyle were known. Other than that, I can only think there may be truth in the activist aim of the judge?


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TV01 post=/post/26828194:

The homosexual lifestyle is behaviour, ergo it can be changed.
I provided a few links and also invited readers to "goo-goo it" !

I also rejected Picks, admittedly tongue-in-cheek, claim that it was scientifically established.

Homosexuality is not genetically/biologically determined. So what is it that you want me to prove?

In as much as I even use the term "homosexual", thats merely for discussion purposes. There is genetically no such thing. There are no human sub-species and humans reproduce using a male/female binary.

Some people choose to deny the alignment and proper use of this functionality - or do you want me to prove that male and female humans are designed to mate?

And yes, the whole "orientation" babble is a nonsense as well. So please be clear on what you need proving and in the meantime, I'd appreciate if you'd answer this;

If God (or nature or evolution - whatever you subscribe to) created humans to mate as male/female (and I hope you don't need me to prove that, although I can provide picture evidence - not of the mating 0, just the outcome ), why would some be "orientated" in a way that is at odds with their function? And, if you believe this orientation is innate and fixed, is it not clear that something is wrong? Or to sum up;

If orientation is different to function is that not prima facie evidence of an error?


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carefreewannabe post=/post/26830523:


Proof, please.

kandiikane post=/post/26830383:

Not necessarily, nowadays, parents are judged irrespective of their gender. They look at the best interests of the child and not the gender. If both are equality capable then they are given shared custody. .

kandiikane post=/post/26830383:

Many times, the fathers are the ones who allow the child to be with the mother. .

kandiikane post=/post/26830383:

Men hardly fight for the custody of their children during divorce proceedings. If more men are willing to fight for their kids, then there will be more men with custody over their children. .

kandiikane post=/post/26830383:

All we always see is the outcome but not the procedure. Maybe, you should go to a few hearings and see for yourself. .

kandiikane post=/post/26830383:

If the woman believed the judge was been biased then she should have laid down her facts and made an appeal. For the judge to have given the father custody meant that he was in a better position to look after the children. The west doesn't also play with the welfare of the children.

TV01 post=/post/26832345:


Carefree, I can't scientifically disprove what hasn't been scientifically proven?
No reputable scientist has, can (or even will)make the claim that homosexuality is biologically determined

It's like asking me to prove that Paedophilia is not genetic?


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carefreewannabe:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/10637532/Being-homosexual-is-only-partly-due-to-gay-gene-research-finds.html

TV01:

Sensationalist headline. Some excerpts;

Dr Bailey said: “Sexual orientation has nothing to do with choice. Our findings suggest there may be genes at play – we found evidence for two sets that affect whether a man is gay or straight.

Dr Alan Sanders, associate Professor of Psychiatry at Northwestern University, who led the study said that it was it was an 'oversimplification’ to suggest there was a 'gay gene.’

The study builds on work by Dr Dean Hamer from the US National Cancer Institute in 1993 who also found an area of the x chromosome that he believed was linked to male sexual orientation.

Researchers at the University of California believe that homosexuality can be explained by the presence of epi-marks — temporary switches that control how our genes are expressed during gestation and after birth.

Daryl Bem, a social psychologist at Cornell University, has suggested that the influence of biological factors on sexual orientation may be mediated by experiences in childhood. A child’s temperament predisposes the child to prefer certain activities over others.

Interestingly no similar genes have been discovered which influence female homosexuality.

And I could go on.

All suggestive and beliefs, no real proof. And this is citing most of the best efforts to prove it. Plus nothing similar for women? And a proper reading of the findings - carefully omitted here - show that "straight" men have the same gene. It's not only found in "homosexuals" - it was just common to those who claimed to be that way.

At best speculative and more aptly termed junk/ideologically biased science. And the fact remains that since humans are designed to copilate with the opposite sex, if they have that function, but not that desire then something is wrong - no? Why did you overlook this question


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TV01:
The "rulebook" states that the best interest of the child - especially when young - are served by being with the birth mother. Unless she demonstrates serious incompetence or potential to harm the child/ren, she typically gets custody. In upwards of 85% -90% of case where she wants it.

At best Fathers are given shared cuatody or visitation rights. Shared Custody being more likely when the children are older. Capability - of the father at least - is not the big or an equal driver here.

Even the 10% that don't go to women do not all go to men. Some of that is split goes to other relatives such as grandparents.

Untrue and a real bad trope. Men do fight for custody, but as noted before, the mother is best rubric mitigates against them - even where they are more competent or able. In the UK there is a whole mens rights movement about this very thing - http://www.fathers-4-justice.org/

As above - and that's not something I'd reccomend for anyone unless they had to or did so for a living. It may well be worth the unmarried seeing it though, they'd be sure to give greater consideration to their choice of spouse if they did.

I did make clear that I wasn't entirely satisfied with the claim in this case.
And the West has priorities - the promotion of LGBT agenda is one of them. From what I've seen the welfare of children is secondary to this.