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Re: The Reason Why Atheists Dont/cant Convince Staunch Christians. by Image123(m): 5:49pm On Oct 04, 2014 |
kevoh: Is it right to demand a YES or NO? |
Re: The Reason Why Atheists Dont/cant Convince Staunch Christians. by davien(m): 5:51pm On Oct 04, 2014 |
macof:same here....i cried every time i saw that movie.....i even felt the whips on myself....now its a reminder of how emotions can deceive... 3 Likes
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Re: The Reason Why Atheists Dont/cant Convince Staunch Christians. by Image123(m): 5:53pm On Oct 04, 2014 |
davien: Where do you get your morals? So, you believe there should be payback, and people ought to reap what they sow? |
Re: The Reason Why Atheists Dont/cant Convince Staunch Christians. by davien(m): 5:58pm On Oct 04, 2014 |
I believe you have eyes....look below... davien: |
Re: The Reason Why Atheists Dont/cant Convince Staunch Christians. by egift(m): 6:00pm On Oct 04, 2014 |
davien: Can you give us insight to what that means - being an Atheist? When did it start? What is future lies ahead? |
Re: The Reason Why Atheists Dont/cant Convince Staunch Christians. by macof(m): 6:01pm On Oct 04, 2014 |
egift: Christianity has no experience. you already believe Christian dogmas are true, right from childhood because you were forced to it by your parents and church Whtever u think you experienced is not objective anymore because all of u are subconsciously wired to that belief and can't be used as a basis to prove the authenticity of ur dogmas. I await a man who doesn't believe Jesus to experience him...like Paul claimed If Jesus could do it then there's nothing stopping him now 3 Likes |
Re: The Reason Why Atheists Dont/cant Convince Staunch Christians. by macof(m): 6:10pm On Oct 04, 2014 |
asalimpo: 1. The amaleks aren't the only ones who were violently and unfairly treated by the Hebrews on orders from Yahweh...the midians in numbers(can't remember chapter) bethel, Jericho (Joshua) and many others 2. ur god hardened the heart of pharaoh, we would never know if pharaoh ever intended to keep the Hebrews because ur god controlled his mind and took decisions for him 3. Pls what wickedness did the Babylonians commit? You can't jst say they are wicked You lay false accusations here...a direct breech on the 10 commandments Hell awaits you 3 Likes |
Re: The Reason Why Atheists Dont/cant Convince Staunch Christians. by davien(m): 6:10pm On Oct 04, 2014 |
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Re: The Reason Why Atheists Dont/cant Convince Staunch Christians. by kevoh(m): 6:53pm On Oct 04, 2014 |
Image123:Mtcheeew. Your matter tire me. Answer simple question with YES or NO, you have been trying to dodge the question by playing smart, quoting scriptures unnecessarily and now this. It's better you pretend you didn't see d question than this merry-go-round you are attempting! 1 Like |
Re: The Reason Why Atheists Dont/cant Convince Staunch Christians. by Image123(m): 6:54pm On Oct 04, 2014 |
davien: The answer is not straight forward. Okay, God's court says you reap what you sow. If you sow killing, you reap it. Copy? Where do you get your morals? |
Re: The Reason Why Atheists Dont/cant Convince Staunch Christians. by Image123(m): 6:55pm On Oct 04, 2014 |
kevoh: You can't answer? |
Re: The Reason Why Atheists Dont/cant Convince Staunch Christians. by davien(m): 7:20pm On Oct 04, 2014 |
Image123:really...so innocent babies sowed killing......remember this is an alleged being you tag "just" and merciful to.... My morality is a secular one....and it is derived by mutual respect and care for the best interest of people to minimize or cease harm....with respect for peoples rights... 2 Likes |
Re: The Reason Why Atheists Dont/cant Convince Staunch Christians. by asalimpo(m): 7:23pm On Oct 04, 2014 |
davien: who you were before the decietfulness of sin HARDENED ur heart. |
Re: The Reason Why Atheists Dont/cant Convince Staunch Christians. by asalimpo(m): 7:41pm On Oct 04, 2014 |
macof: paul took the gospel to philosophical athens. Those guys almost discovered calculus. They were the worlds intellectual nerve base and yet men smarter than you accepted Christ. Professors are accepting Christ,how much more lesser thinkers. That is because when d light of God's word shines on d heart of man,He sees his sinful state. Then decides whether to admit he is a sinner and accept God's free gift of salvation or harden his heart like pharoah and plod on in his sins unto perdition. Sorry, bro Christianity is a spiritual thing not a mental thing. Romans 10v10: With the heart man believes ... (heart/spirit man). Believe what ! ? The gospel and with the mouth confession is made unto Salvation. Not "With the head man Reasons his way to God". It's a heart thing. |
Re: The Reason Why Atheists Dont/cant Convince Staunch Christians. by asalimpo(m): 7:56pm On Oct 04, 2014 |
macof: the babylonians where d embodiment of evil. Dont even try to debate this scour d bible, nimrod founded babylon. Married his mother,killed his father,set up the first world order, invented and introduced sorcery. Guy,do ur research. The goal of many secret societies is to revive the old babylonian empire. Which,the anti christ will successfully do. God came down in person to foil the first unified anti God society by changing man's language. About d ameliktes stop talkg crap. You arent even tryng to hide ur biase. Amalek and Jericho and d reason for their over throw is documented in d bible. They and pharoah earned their retribution. |
Re: The Reason Why Atheists Dont/cant Convince Staunch Christians. by mazaje(m): 8:12pm On Oct 04, 2014 |
If you define what a belief is, it's basically a construct inside the brain that filters reality through it. . . If you think for example that people are bad, you'll start paying attention to bad behaviors of people to validate your belief and ignore good people that don't validate your belief. That is how belief work and there is nothing new to it. It is just how the brain works. It recognizes patterns of what makes a belief and tries to rationalize it always even when there is perception disagreement. As for religious beliefs it's the same thing, just indoctrinate people with enough materials and constantly drum it into their ears, it will become their reality. People will filter their lives through those beliefs and start seeing "miracles" and signs of their god that the ordinary person who do not believe in their religion or god would just assume as normal. Example muslims view christian religious experience as normal events or nonsensical rubbish while christians view muslim religious experience as nonsense. . .If a buddist sees a christian speaking in tongues and rolling on the floor the buddhist will just say the christian is crazy, but to the christian that is a religious experience, if a christian see a buddhist monk meditating for hours he will also assume is he crazy but to the buddhist he is experiencing something extra ordinary. . .All these experiences have to be indoctrinated into the mind and they become your reality. . . The problem is that beliefs are constantly being refreshed with these new evidences, so when you try to challenge a person's belief he'll start acting angry or upset.This is why logic doesn't work to deconvert a theist. . .His religion belief is not based on logic. Their beliefs carry a huge emotional baggage as can be seen by some of their replies on this thread. . . Beliefs also don't have to be real to make sense to we humans. But they are useful in parts of our lives. 3 Likes |
Re: The Reason Why Atheists Dont/cant Convince Staunch Christians. by macof(m): 8:31pm On Oct 04, 2014 |
asalimpo: Pls address my post and quit your rubbish Professors and intellectuals are accepting Christ Which ones? The ones in ur church? 3 Likes |
Re: The Reason Why Atheists Dont/cant Convince Staunch Christians. by macof(m): 9:01pm On Oct 04, 2014 |
asalimpo: Lmao pls who's this Nimrod that set world order? Nimrod that Africans.don't know ur silly Nimrod didn't set world order if he did the world would speak of him not just Jews God never came down to change language...where's ur proof? Yoruba people say as humans left Ife, they drank different river waters that changed their languages Yoruba hypothesis is even more logically than some silly Jewish prick coming down from the sky to change human language The amaleks troubled the Israelites yes, but did Jericho, Midian or Bethel? compare the atrocities Hebrews committed against amalekites with the small trouble they faced with amalek in exodus 17:8-13 Didn't the Hebrews win in the battle? Why go again after many years utterly destroy them when the supposed god of Israel is forgiven and lovely Pharaoh's heart was hardened by ur god 2 Likes |
Re: The Reason Why Atheists Dont/cant Convince Staunch Christians. by Nobody: 9:03pm On Oct 04, 2014 |
asalimpo: Common sense and irrefutable evidences made me a non conformist. I have been a devout Christian all my life Until around April this year. What else? 2 Likes |
Re: The Reason Why Atheists Dont/cant Convince Staunch Christians. by Ryabcool(m): 9:10pm On Oct 04, 2014 |
macof:Erin ti pa mi ooo! Religion is for the weak minded! Too much brainwash |
Re: The Reason Why Atheists Dont/cant Convince Staunch Christians. by Nobody: 9:13pm On Oct 04, 2014 |
egift: I am a non conformist, I became one after being presented with overbearing evidences against What I once thought highly of,as difficult as it was to accept What I believed all this while was just fairy tales I just had to because I couldn't give myself any logical explanation against those evidences,being an honest person I just had to accept it as What it truly is,fairy tales!!! I believe in freedom,freedom to be who we want to be,freedom to create our own reality. More like a humanist. 3 Likes |
Re: The Reason Why Atheists Dont/cant Convince Staunch Christians. by Nobody: 9:33pm On Oct 04, 2014 |
Image123:What's wrong with the request? |
Re: The Reason Why Atheists Dont/cant Convince Staunch Christians. by Nobody: 10:04pm On Oct 04, 2014 |
asalimpo: Please don't Dodge my question,in ur post above, you stated that "C'mon things don't make themselves'" that means you are of the opinion that there must be an intelligence or an intelligent being behind every thing that exist. Right? |
Re: The Reason Why Atheists Dont/cant Convince Staunch Christians. by asalimpo(m): 3:26am On Oct 05, 2014 |
Dapo777: i believe the bible so u already know wat answer you'll get. Besides, how does my post u quoted not answer this question? |
Re: The Reason Why Atheists Dont/cant Convince Staunch Christians. by asalimpo(m): 3:34am On Oct 05, 2014 |
Dapo777: i dare say ,if you were a christian ever, you never knew the reason you believed. And you never had any real relationship with God so He wasnt real to you. Everything u did was all dry meaningless motion, it doesnt take long for you to get tired of the hypocrisy and throw in d towel. Especially when u see ur fellow christians living double lives . |
Re: The Reason Why Atheists Dont/cant Convince Staunch Christians. by asalimpo(m): 4:01am On Oct 05, 2014 |
Dapo777: you mean tangible sense. All life is physcal .if u cant see it,touch it,feel it, reason it out,it isnt real. In other words,3d thinking. If u accept this as tru - u exercised faith not common sense because there is no evidence or atheist in this world that can prove this assumption. It is simply accepted as truth. So u were not moved by common sense in all. You CHOSE to accept unquestioningly som things as truth. You chose to believe. Your bible says Life is 4d not 3d. Atheists dont try to disprove this because THEY CAN'T. instead they try to RIDICULE it! "talking snakes, flying dragons, talking asses, etc". From RIDICULE of the bible PERSONAL ATTACKS on the person of God comes next. attacks on the person of Jesus. Atheists know all d verses on genocide ,infanticide (to them), etc but non other. Anybody knows there's no objectveness here. Besides, getting worked up emotionally for some1 u say isnt real betrays you. Bro, you were gamed. Atheism is nothing but a satanic ploy to undermine the bible. Atheists are never coldly logical or objective. They dont want to be. |
Re: The Reason Why Atheists Dont/cant Convince Staunch Christians. by asalimpo(m): 5:03am On Oct 05, 2014 |
macof: nimrod didnt try to create a NWO. God didnt change human language. Like i said do ur research. Even som atheists will reprimand you for your ignorance on this. How would africa here of nimrod wen the world as at then was congregated in one place and spoke one language? After the confusion of tongues men dispersed to populate the world. Logical. Very logcal. Ur deductions are poor. Ur calibre of reasong is poor , for i hav to tell u this! Prepare properly bf u reply. Stop shooting from d hip. "Some silly Jewish Prick from d sky " - you guys can't help but cuss God! Somthg about becomg an atheist and an uncontrollable urge to cuss God and Jesus! Lol. Bro, i understand. It's spiritual. Jesus Loves you as you are. Satan hates you and wants to take you and all ur fellow atheists to hell. When u want to cuss God ,dyu think it's really u doing it? Think. Dyu wanna cus som1 u dont believe is real? U ar exhibiting genuine hate and anger! Jesus is real bro. Didnt isreal win in the battle against amalek? Hmmn. Now,thts my boy you did som research! My am impressed. We are now getting into deep things. Namely,the character of God. First, God is a Sovereign. The closest analogy,is the image of an Ancient King, not a modern diplomatic president. The word of a king is power. God had said,actually said is a weak word,the right word is "decreed", a decree cannot b upturned. If an earthly kings words had so much power,how much more the words of the utmost sovereign God? God decreed tht any1 who blessed his own He God wud bless and any one who cursed His own He God wud curse (see God's promise to Abraham). With tht word released,there is no going back. Amalek attacked without cause , yeah,they were temporarily fended off. But thts not enuff. Jericho did the same. On God's scale of justice,the weight to bring the scale to balance was annahilation. This isnt vengeance or vengefulness but justice. Sin and wickedness has a weight. It is like a debt. It must b paid to bring things to balance. In OT Jesus had not yet died. So He hadnt paid d price for Man's sins. So when man's debt accumulated on the scale , God wud send people to warn man, to stop heaping up d sin gravy. But man wud often ignore until it got to danger point. Then God would hav to mete out justice. Sin is a weight tht has to b paid. Understand this . God never wantonly lashed out at people in the OT. We cannot humanly, decipher how the weight of sin is. But God does and his justice is fair and just even if it doesnt look so to us. Wat happens wen sin goes unpunished .i.e untreated? I mean by a human justice system? The sin like gangrene causes death/stagnation/decay in the land. Would you like to hav a land where there's prosperity,peace,progress? Then sin must b eliminated by the justice system in tht land. Because sin causes death. When adam sinned, he first hand witnessed death. The lamb God killed to cloth him and his wife. Next,death entered creation. It wasnt God's plan. It wasnt God's plan for the sun to scorch the earth or for a leaf to die on a tree or for ur grandmum to have a wrinkle. What u see in d OT is God delivering justice as at wen due to balance the sins of man. When u atheists want to critique wat u dont know think about this. |
Re: The Reason Why Atheists Dont/cant Convince Staunch Christians. by Nobody: 7:39am On Oct 05, 2014 |
asalimpo: I understand you perfectly well,Yes They ridicule the Bible,God and Jesus to make themselves look right,But have you asked yourself why is it possible for the Bible to be ridiculed? Why is it possible for God to be ridiculed? Why is it possible for Jesus to be ridiculed? Ask yourself again If something is truly flawless and perfect,will there be anything in it that can be ridiculed? Think about that sentence slowly,digest it and ask yourself,If something is perfect, can it be ridiculed? Why would They want to ridicule something perfect? Those imperfections pointed out in the Bible are They not real? |
Re: The Reason Why Atheists Dont/cant Convince Staunch Christians. by Nobody: 7:50am On Oct 05, 2014 |
asalimpo: Says the judgmental Christian. What evidence do you have that I never had a personal relationship with God? The holy ghost told you So? Yes the reason I believed was because I was born into a Christian home,If I wasn't I would been a Muslim or a bhuddist or anything. You have no manner of approach,you seriously need to learn how to hold a decent conversation with someone. 1) you are judgmental 2) you are assuming blindly 3) you are talking confidently like you know me personally outside nairaland 4) I don't even want to listen further to anything you have to say because from the looks of thing it seems everything you Really want to do is to pass judgment on me,and you haven't said anything meaningful yet,But giving blatantly baseless assumptions. 1 Like |
Re: The Reason Why Atheists Dont/cant Convince Staunch Christians. by Nobody: 8:09am On Oct 05, 2014 |
asalimpo: Since you agree Nothing created itself,now to my question,who/What created God? Since according to you Nothing can create itself. |
Re: The Reason Why Atheists Dont/cant Convince Staunch Christians. by Nobody: 9:04am On Oct 05, 2014 |
macof: Yhh that passion of Christ made me cry too |
Re: The Reason Why Atheists Dont/cant Convince Staunch Christians. by macof(m): 12:39pm On Oct 05, 2014 |
asalimpo: Long yarns with not one of my points addressed pls address my posts like an educated fellow if you are 1 Like |
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