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i am not posting all the false teaching just yet that christ embassy because i know the people in the church monitor this site and will counter it?
before the apointed time i have debuked there teaching you would have to read the book so i am not giving them to much information
as we say in the army (tobe fore warned is to fore armed ) so i am coming like theif in the night with the truth and will shoult from the roofs but in truth if the people in the church where reading the bible they would not ask me what is there false teaching just ask your self this is there anything you would like to understand or ask me ?

@crossman9---The cartoon "Parroting Pastor Chris"  is so funny it makes till you cry because it takes a person who was there and had eyes opened, to really appreciate how well orchestrated it is really, it made me laugh so much !

@azibalua,
Wrongest person to ask that question
He plays a supportive role only

3. They tell their people/followers what they want to hear

"The time will come when people will not listen to sound doctrine, but will follow their own desires and collect for themselves more and more teachers who will tell them what they want to hear" 2 Tim 4v3 GNB

Right let's move--before we understand whats happening now lets take into consideration prophets of old according to the bible-its the only true Word of God . Jeremaiah, Isaiah, Hosea, Zephaniah etc were sent to warn the people about God's wrath(captivity into Babylon) to come. These were the true prophets of God, at that very time other prophets who had a GFP signature arose and said the very opposite, telling people that "this is the land of our fathers we shall be on it ever as God has given it to us"(paraphrased). Jonah sent to Nineveh did not bring what sounded good to itching ear, he told them God was going to destroy the land in 40 days(which is a number for testing), they REPENTED and turned to God and were saved.

Now in the modern world people are in need of medical, financial, political etc solutions, the most appropriate person to be there is the GFP-according to the princes of darkness.

How?? they tell them"Its time for your healing" "God does not want you poor" "We are taking over the world" etc from afar these look correct until you come in, and study the bible.

Sorry Mr GFP people are not in need of financial prosperity, they need REPENTANCE to depart from sin FIRST where does today's MESSAGE TITLES fit with the old like---

1.Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand(Mat 3v2)
2.Mercy and not sacrifice(Hosea 6v6, Mat 12v7)
3.Repent and pray(Acts 8v22), not just pray
4.Jesus is the only way(John 14v6)

Just to name a few these MESSAGE TITLES cannot be seen from a GFP, they cause a man to change kingdoms instantly.


TO BE CONTINUED

dandong iam glade you liked the the cartoon there is much more i have done there in the book and ill post them on web site for free sown load it make is clear there spiritaul robots

@crossman9

How about this one "This is more than a church, its a vision" Pastor Chris GFP (meaning CEmbassy)

What!!! ?? There is no institution that is greater than the church of Jesus on earth, and certainly none equal--because the church is the actual bride of Christ and he is coming for us without spot nor blemish.

"I shall build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail" not any other institution that tries to exalt itself above the knowledge of Christ-- 2 Cor 10v5

ill give you more till cartoon bring hmour to the false preacher false teaching
there brain washing people

@Dandong

dandong:


How about this one "This is more than a church, its a vision" Pastor Chris GFP (meaning CEmbassy)

What!!! ?? There is no institution that is greater than the church of Jesus on earth,

There is a difference between "The church" and "church" . I don't know if you are deliberately twisting the words or it's a pure mustake. You can see the difference I highlighted above. And if you don't understand something ,you dhole rather ask for clarification.

The explanation is simple, the ministry is a vision , this vision is more than a local church. Local churches are only a part of the big vision. That means there are other arms of the ministry. It is a vision.

@joagbaje
"this vision is more than a local church. Local churches are only a part of the big vision".

I heard clearly what was said and as can be seen from what you have quoted it cannot help anyone reconsider, "I said there is nothing greater than the church"

If you think just because a church looks small or rather too "local" to you therefore they are not significant or there is something somewhere called a "vision" MORE  than them you are deceived. Look at your last statement ---

"Local churches are only part of the big vision"

The "only" word shows how you belittle them and don' understand how the gospel functions, there is nothing bigger than them at all!!!

A "local church" is part of the body of Christ. I repeat PART of the body of Christ. Once again PART of it.

Therefore nothing is bigger them as your "big vision" theory states.


If they are PART of the body of Christ nothing can exalt itself above it ---- 2 Corinthians 10v5


Your so called "vision" whatever cannot be exempted

@joagbaje
"There is a difference between 'The church' and 'church' "

For interests sake in a few words define for us the difference between the two.

For example

The church is this---------------

AND

Church is that--------------------

According to the bible please because at Christ Embassy I know you are masters of twisting words, tell us from the bible how the two are different.

--------I want to raise a point that shows why using the word "this" is so wrong

Then we can start moving!!!!!!

You misunderstand because of your sealed mindset
A local church or local assembly, simply is a church under a mother church
it does not have to do with belittling of some churches by others

@mabell

Tell us from the bible where there was "a church under a mother church"-----

Scripture please!!!!

And also please refer to Crossman9's last cartoon, just to see what I said. You can not invent words to suite your CE language.

There is nothing like "a church under a mother church"----
---
all are PART of the body of Christ (which i repeat again!!!! is not bigger than them as they are part of it), I wrote that 3 times in my previous blog because i knew someone will not hear it I know CE people I have been there.

But to comment on mindset whether sealed or open I will not do that

mabell
Joagbaje
The Greek word for church, Ekklesia, literally means "called out or summoned, assembled with a purpose."  Or a congregation of local people who worship God who are part of the body of CHRIST
But I know Christ embassy you dummies love any word that comes out of the pastor mini god the man who would be God, but I know that you all have the delusion of God hood, I was part of the church I woke long before the woman I was engaged was completely brain wash she worshiped the pastor as God and so do most of the members you people don’t have clue regarding speaking tongues and many more things you soak up any word that pastor Chris comes out with the latest lie is "masterbation is not a sin against God" its your own body not wisdom from GOD among many more I could give list going as far as 30 false teaching and that is just the tip of the spear of truth.

He retranslates the bible to suit his doctrine that is why when I was in the foundation school they did not like me because I was quoting for the Greek and the Hebrew form memory, not someI pad looking in the internet they were teaching you should borrow to pay your tithes?
Wake up if you would like correction read my book on the church and its timely lies when I have finished it I will be completed in 3 months I hope

Lincoln, Abraham (1809-1865)
Better to remain silent and to be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt
Paine, Thomas (1737-1809)
Man is not the enemy of Man, but through the medium of false system of government. [Ib]

Twain, mark (1835-1910)
Better known as Samuel cleomes
Most people are bothered by those passages in scriptures which they cannot understand; but as for me, I always noticed that the passages in scripture which trouble me most are those that I do understand. [Quoted in simcox, Treasury of Quotations on Christian themes]

@crossman9
Well said and clearly put across

Mabell and Joagbeje still waiting for your feedback

Bear in mind that i was once at CE ---Therefore been there done that, got a T-shirt, I  MEAN bought a T-shirt

expossing_christ.embassy@hotmail.co.uk
email me i would like to drop you a copy of my notes

@crossman9

"Or a congregation of local people who worship God who are part of the body of CHRIST "


When I said what i said before it was like i was looking at the dictionary -----

But it is not so when people exalt materials more than the bible

The Rhapsody of Fakealities has a daily dosage to result in such understanding.


Remember this its a daily drill If you survive?------you have a phone number, you will be followed up until you are fade up.

And when you come in then more faking is available and you will not escape, fake healing, false prophecies under noisy conditions of people shouting over what they never really heard.

This also reminds me of a Leroy Thompson GFP video where he said "the Lord is telling me to say something" and said something afterwards which does not make common sense at all!! People shouted and started rising up to give seed.

Which seed?

There is nothing like seed offering in the bible, I mean Christian Bible because some blasphemous bibles have come along.

The seed "sowing" went on for minutes I tell you its real, and these Creflo (blasphemer), Leroy(Money grabber), Jesse Duplantis (Blasphemer) Benny Hinn love this seed business and it is fake clearly.

So Pastor Chris GFP is still a learner in these things his icons are in America and have jets let right and center

dandong
did you get my email addres i will forward you my book to see what you think you thought the bird thing was funny you will laugh and cry all in one
see christ embassy members and there leaders are nothing more than spiritaul pager gangsters

@crossman9
It seems like our problems in CE are brewing though I know my bretheren in CE will never acknowledge any of that.
And don't be too alarmed when you don't get any acknowledgement when you are right in some instances about the doctrine and "ways" of CE. As you know since you say you were part of the ministry, the CE bretheren are trained into being in illusion and dismissive about the negative consequences and impact some of the workings of CE have on the individual lives of people. And such an attitude questions the genuiness of th vision of the ministry to touch peoples lives and give them a meaning.

The unspoken golden rule in CE is that if Pastor Chris (bless him for his work) has not mentioned a situation as a reason for concern than its not a concern even if the majority of people feel within their hearts its a problem. Sorry there is no such thing as majority in CE, so its better put as( majority in secret ). In CE we do not own up to anything until Pastor Chris gives us word to do so. We do not think for ourselves but examine our thoughts to make sure what we think is in line with what Pastors Chris teaches us. We do not think beyond what Pastor has said. How can we, when he is our Pastor send by God to guide us. We go where he goes and we say only what he says, he is our man from God and we respect the anointing upon his life we and are in submission to the ministarial call upon his life.
That is us,CE,

I say that to say this, I'm interested in your book. At first I did not take it seriously for one reason or another but some of the submissions you have put forward about CE are as as you have said them.

When the book is finished how will you publish it? And would I and a few other people I know be able to get a hold of the finished book? I'm hoping it will be a factual book and not another fictional story about CE filled with heresays. We have heard a lot about CE already and need proven facts that one can follow up on.

Am still in CE but I believe God's call upon my life is greater than the teachings and vision of Pastor Chris therefore as a true worshipper of God, I worship him in spirit and in truth hence why I gravitate towards standing up for what is true and speaking the truth as I know it. Otherwise I would not be able call myself a christian if I could not speak in truth.

Interesting piece
But you don't sound like a CE member at all
You sound like a visitor who made conclusions
CE is all about winning souls and giving lives meaning
There is no golden rule like you mentioned in CE but rather liberty
everybody is entitled to their own opinion and can be corrected if need be
A sheep is meant to follow his shepherd, it's the same everywhere so, if we go where pastor chris goes, we are only obeying s general principle
which of course will yield beautiful results
, stop spreading wrong gist pls

well the book will be broken down in to many factors the first one does not really have a name yet it just introduction to Christ embassy at present but that is for me to find on the server with fire wall protecting it will be a testimony of how they work and the function of the churches and all the evil things that took place against me and some of the good things done to me as well but the sadly there was more evil done than good i could have been one of the greatest members the church could have ever had in there branches in the u.k you must understand you should not follow any pastor the word of God is what you must keep in your heart and not pastor Chris, this is the common fault of the members i love the people in the church i can’t say all of them in light of what they did to me and are doing to other people right now in the name so called righteousness but i am as truthful as you will ever get i will never lie to you i will be careful with the truth, because of the nature of the church Christ embassy because there out to discredit people who speak out with the truth because most member don't follow, Jesus they only hear the pastor of the church namely Mr Chris i can’t tell you to much but i will tell you this at the moment if they had known what kind of man i am they would have never made war with me.
i am not an ordinarily man I was called from the  age of a child, I did not know this fully until later in life, but I am on the net preaching the now but there is nothing about Christ embassy yet the reason is this is the book must be completed then I will create a real web pages to down load the book?
But this could take another 4 months I am working at present on the art work for the book and writing and trying to run my business to get there so please give me time.
1. The testimony
2. Each doctrine that is false
Then
then i will  put  things on the net things the church does not want you to see video teachings on the church 
I am not doing this without proof
But with power and might and a sound mind Christ Jesus not pastor Chris
mabell
Vivian. SA
Ps I am no longer a member and I will tell you this I know a lot of the high flyers in the church in the u.k and a lot are on TV so don’t be shock when the truth comes out
You are clearly brain washed and not all the church work the same within christ embassy some work better than others so you need to get it right it is not about winning souls that is just a by-product the real goal is more souls meaning more tithers
What is that pastor says there 2 things GOD does not mess with soul winners and tithers but I know no matter what truth I give you
You will never listen your ears are closed you may not even be a person but a computer program giving out automated responses
Because there all the same across the internet preprogramed you all talk the same walk the same have the same haircuts the diehard members that is? And preach the same message there is not individuals there all made the spirit factory know as pastor Chris land robots parroting his teaching not living up to what Christ teaches I would put my money on this you have a Gerry curled haircut with a side Parton, and come to church function with a white suit on.

dandong
what is the name of your blog

@Mabell:
Mem, I was a visitor in Christ Embassy once during my first day in the church wihich was 5 years ago. It has been 5 years now with me being a full member and a leader in Christ Embassy. Do not get me wrong I admire Pastor Chris for all that he determined in his heart to do for God, its inspiring to see what he has achieved but like I said God called to follow him even before I met Pastor Chris. He did not introduce God to me nor did he introduce christ to me. Christ is my life. Pastor Chris helped me to grow my relationship with Christ to a point where he is real and alive in my life. I will acknowledge that and testify of it anyday at anytime.

Not only am I a leader in CE, I am part of the leardership which Pastor Chris says God gave him as an answer to his prayer to financially support him in his vision to spread the gospel to all the nations. I am part of the leadership that has taken it as their resposibility to financially ensure the gospel in CE is preached and reaches the world. I will imagine you know which division I am referring to. And I do it with joy and peace because he has taught me to carry the crys and heavy burden of millions in my heart.

My devotion though is first to be true to God whom I serve. I do not forsake the word and truth of God for the sake of taking up Pastors word. I did not become a christian the day I joined Christ Embassy, my understanding of God has matured to reflect his word and my spirit decerns all things according to Gods word because that is how God has made me to understand him.

If at any given time I own up and admit that what we do in CE as exactly as people say it, its not to castigate any lies because the actaul lie would be to deny the truth so that I can be faithful to your eyes and the eyes of man. As the bible instructs me in:

Matt 6: 1 " Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven".

Denying the truth as I know it and as a result lying so that I can stand firm in the eyes of man has no reward for me from God but damnation.
For the word of God puts it as this:

John 8:44 " You belong to your father, the devil and you want to carry out your fathers desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. "

I John 2: 21 ", and that no lie is of the truth"

It is therefore my obligation as a christian to speak the truth as I know it at any given time because should I not do so I am no longer a christian as I say that I am.

I don't blame you for reasoning as you do because most of the bretheren I personally know reason as you do. They do not appreciate anything said about Pastor Chris which is not what they were taught even if what you are saying is the word of God. Its not the word of God until Pastor says it. Your reaction is anticipated to be as so.

It is not my responsibility to look for holes in CE and poke them one by one because my belief is that as long as we are humans we will be imperfect on this earth. Jesus was the only perfect person to live in our world. I do not expect perfection from anyone or any institution in this world. As a christian though what I expect from any other christian is the truth and honesty concerning his word at all times as set out in the bible.

I can write you volumes of books about the leadership of bretherens (even Pastors) in CE who were once the mighty man and woman of the SA CE ministry who have today declared themselves enemies of the the ministry. And their concerns are legitimate and valid.

The basic truth is that If you cannot accept and acknowledge your mistakes and flaws when close people whom you have a trust relationship show you those mistakes, you cannot begin to asses them and their impact on you, you cannot learn from them and as such you cannot grow from them and be better becuase you failed to do the first requirement which is to accept them. And there lies the falacy of CE, resistance to the truth. Giving all terms and making an "us" and "them" mentality in the body of christ in order to maintain its position. Off cousre until that position is changed by Pastor Chris, until than CE remains stead fast, unmovable in its position. And resist all other scriptures showing a different position.

But the bible at least lets me know that: Acts 10: 34 " Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of truth I perceive that God is no respector of persons. "

God honours his word.

There is no gist to spread but my interest are only the word of God and to honour his word in good circumstances and in bad circumstances.

Crossman9's book is for interest and to check its validity. If someone I know shows interest in the validity of the book, I will give it to them for them to explore their own thoughts against the truth and come up to their own conclusion because I am required to do by the word.

John 8: 32 " Then you will know the truth and the truth will set you free. "

@Crossman9
I laugh when you say I probably have jerry curls and a line on the side of my head and that I wear a white suite to every meeting. I have never imaginged myself with any of those items. They would probably not go along with my own dressing as I am not a man as Pastor but a woman.

I also wish I was brain washed as you put it in my 5 years in CE ministry that would have made my walk and love for God in CE some what easier. Because all I would need to do is to just repeat what Pastor says, think what he thinks and do as he does. I would retire the function and use of my own brain in a nice cool shade and let Pastor Chris do all the thinking for me and the study of the bible for me. All that would be required from me is to just run with his words, that would be the begining and the end of my christianity and walk with God. As this is a privilage enjoyed by many of my fellow bretheren. The word of God as understood by Pastor Chris.

I would be as you say anther mini Pastor Chris Oyakhilome, another factory programmed mini Pastor Chris. That would be wonderful, total bliss and europhia. Imagine the privilage of the being programmed like this.


Unfortunately it is not entirely so for me and that's probably where the problem lies. With these wonderful years in CE I don't seem to be able to be programmed. Its as if the code that is being used malfunctions when it comes to my turn. And it is because if its not in the bible my spirit cannot take it. I am only moved by the bible and nothing else and I learnt that from Pastor. And he never said the word as I say it Pastor Chris. He mentioned the whole bible,to study it to show thy selves approved. He did not say study my words but this seems to be what CE has understood him to mean.

You can't blame anyone really at CE for acting and thinking as they do because instruction comes from head down without any opinion from your side. Which is why I am not sure what people mean when they talk about opinion in CE because that does not exist. Your opnion on Gods word is irrelevant, the opnion that is taken to be a fact is that of Pastor.

Which is why when the members eventually reboot their own brains and allow them to function again and form their own opinion, they are dismayed to learn of all the scriptures they ignored in pursuit of studying the words of Pastor Chris and cannot stand even one more day in CE and proclaim themselves to fight the ministry on every side for the damage they sufferred while they were pursuing his words.

One wonders when they were prepared to fight any person to their last breath when they spoke of them to prefer to follow Pastor in opposition to the whole bible, were these the actions of people awake and in pursuit of the truth or were they as you put it programmed man and unaware of their own thoughts and actions. It cannot take God to come down from heaven to inform us that such behaviour and evidance of our work in the "church" is not what God seeks from us and it is not what he is looking for from us. Matth 3: 9 " For I say unto you that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham."

Vivian. SA
I was not talking about you and the hair style
I was referring the other member his name is “mabell” he sound like he is brain washed you approached me with an open heart

Vivian. SA
I was not talking about you and the hair style
I was referring the other member his name is “mabell” he sounds like he is brain washed you approached me with an open heart 
Vivian. SA
i read both posts you put up? you confirm some of my greatest fears and indulge me with truth but you done one thing you never thought you would you touched my heart not because you’re a woman but because you are showing who you are, you are very wrong to interpret the word of God through the lenses and the teaching of pastor Chris, the bible tells us that my sheep hear my voice, and come to me but if a stranger speak then they run away i find it hard to trust any church or believers for all i have ever had is rejection for standing up for the truth, so i have conclude this if you want the job done then do it yourself?
But i know you love the church but you are called to love Christ first you are not talking like most members in the church you must be white woman most Africans talk and express them self in a certain way you don’t you are easy going down to earth came and not aggressive, my life was completely destroy because the church I have spent the best part of a year and a half trying to recover from the trauma incurred with the church in London, there is little clue for you time to look me up and where it took place but even when joseph my forefather, was sold into slavery with our fellow Israelites bothers, God had a purposes which was to save the whole family of Israel, he never imaged he would become the leader of the most powerful nation on earth at this time, but his bother thought they killed him out of jealousy, so when this brother that destroy my life in the church, he only care for himself out of all the members there was only one that had shown me kindness in my darkest hour and this is the book but I am still writing this section? I will only shame the evil ones and give the praise to the good one and give God praise alone for them? Not pastor Chris for doing a good job? Because he will stand before God one day and quote lord didn’t I drive out devils and do many mighty works and Jesus will turn and say depart from me you who labour and work inequity I never knew you but come the blessed of my father in heaven you were there when I was sick and hungry and homeless and sick and in prison and the righous will say when did we see you lord he will say whatever you did for the least of these my brethren you did for me.
But I have seen a gospel in the church that is all about the spirit and not about love I only got evil I lost everything I have ever loved all through Christ embassy, and I did not get any help of the church leadership in fact they were in on it.
Money is truly evil why don’t they have a debating TV show on the bible without people who disagree that would help people see a less mafia like kind of church?
The bible says the righteous are as boiled as a loin are you blond in hair colour

Vivian Nnona is this your second name

But do you not see the contradiction between this

Vivian. SA:
I am only moved by the bible and nothing else and I learnt that from Pastor. And he never said the word as I say it Pastor Chris. He mentioned the whole bible,to study it to show thy selves approved. He did not say study my words but this seems to be what CE has understood him to mean.

and this?

Vivian. SA:
You can't blame anyone really at CE for acting and thinking as they do because instruction comes from head down without any opinion from your side. Which is why I am not sure what people mean when they talk about opinion in CE because that does not exist. Your opnion on Gods word is irrelevant, the opnion that is taken to be a fact is that of Pastor.

Then, also consider this!

Vivian. SA:
Which is why when the members eventually reboot their own brains and allow them to function again and form their own opinion, they are dismayed to learn of all the scriptures they ignored in pursuit of studying the words of Pastor Chris and cannot stand even one more day in CE and proclaim themselves to fight the ministry on every side for the damage they sufferred while they were pursuing his words.

Isn't there a disconnect somewhere?


Does above (as well as the below) not relate to when, thanks be to God, the effect of the brain-washing has worn/started to wear off?

Vivian. SA:

One wonders when they were prepared to fight any person to their last breath when they spoke of them to prefer to follow Pastor in opposition to the whole bible, were these the actions of people awake and in pursuit of the truth or were they as you put it programmed man and unaware of their own thoughts and actions. It cannot take God to come down from heaven to inform us that such behaviour and evidance of our work in the "church" is not what God seeks from us and it is not what he is looking for from us. Matth 3: 9 " For I say unto you that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham."

Enigma you are very right?
i read this after work last night but this person is sounding like the spiritual soma is wearing off from Christ embassy
there told not to think for them self’s that is in complete contradiction to the word of God it tells us to test the spirits to see if there from God
there is nowhere in the bible does it say to listen to the pastor over the word of God it clearly says in 2 Tim 4:1-6 preach the word in season out of season rebuking and correcting for the last days men shall not endure sound doctrine and in the last day they shall gather to them self’s preachers to preach what there inching ears want to hear? And shall turn there ear away from the truth own to fables
Just as William Shakespeare said:
Quote: the devil can cite scripture for his own purpose!
Quote: The prince of darkness is a gentleman.
Quote Confusion hath made his masterpiece.
1 Corinthians 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?


2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
2 Corinthians 13:6 But I trust that ye shall know that we are not reprobates.

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

1 John 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

1 John 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
(Sir Winston Churchill) once said the truth is so precious, that it has to be surrounded with a body guard of lies
This in its self reveals that the truth is a resource that you can’t live without why then are people not screaming for the truth tell us the truth the answer is this they think?
they have it already as the saying goes the full truth is not out yet even in a world with ever expanding windows of understanding the door of the mind is opening and growing in people they just can’t seem to understand it
Daniel 12:4 But you, Daniel, close up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge."

Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

It’s easy to see but they want a fast and easy way to truth
As you can see the bible so easy to understand you need someone to help you misunderstand it.

@mabell
"But you don't sound like a CE member at all"

If that had been said to me my reply would have been "Thanks for the compliment!"

@mabell
"CE is all about winning souls and giving lives meaning"-----

Winning them into what? {Please read Matthew 23v16 diligently}

Mabell and Joabgaje have not answered my questions, but they like asking others questions and demand answers---------we give them

Please answer the questions whats so difficult I need to raise more points on other things which you said which are equally wrong.

Or should we call it case adjourned?

#4. Genuine False Prophets (GFP) put the 'prophetic' word above the written word(scripture)

The 4th point about GFPs like Pastor Chris PhD, I mean Pastor Chris GFP they play down the written word, and when they have to use it, they twist scripture.

Right let's move----what are we talking about?
We mean statements like  "the Holy Ghost told me to, " "the Holy Ghost said, " even if it is clearly in sharp contrast with the bible. This automatically puts people in a Pastor Chris prison because they are convinced  he is 'anointed' if they dare question poverty will come (when its already there at times).

The bible is a secondary, if not tertiary source of the word only used to make them give e.g Malachi 3v10(twisting scripture).

You are told of angels and endless visions and dreams people have to seduce you into sin claiming 'The spirit spoke to me and said______' ---- Read Col 2v18

One sister from CE spoke to me how the spirit had spoken to her about rapture, I said to myself 'that's a lie'. The rapture itself is false doctrine even if someone tells you the 'spirit' spoke to him Jesus told us he is coming again, ONCE I repeat ONCE again ONCE no scripture has Jesus taking people privately for them to avoid great tribulation, christians will be there on great tribulation-----I have Bible proof!!!


OK Mr GFP how come you are never told to repent of sin FIRST!!! if it is spirit that wrote the bible, God is not inconsistent. How come he tells you whats not in the bible "only you"(parroting)

The bible is the final authority full stop.

There is  a reason why you are drugged with so called 'ministry materials' they achieve many things in one as follows not in any order

a) Inject money into the GFPs empire
b) Fail to open and understand the bible and wait for the GFP(because he always comes with 'rhema' which is a twisting of scripture e.g the
"iPrayer"  firstfruits, righteousness consciousness & twisting songs like "amazing grace" and "I surrender all" etc (for a reason these songs are "humility before God"songs if people sing them too much there might be a problem)
c)get the stuff hooked and crooked into CE as that is where their salary will be coming from


All this is carefully planned for you to start having no confidence in the Bible, remember this the bible is the target!!!

this is done to achieve number 5(very important!!)

TO BE CONTINUED

#5.
They want to be worshiped (not just reverenced, respected, feared, loved, praised etc)

How ?

After a thorough drill of twisting scripture and putting the written word anywhere but first, they successfully convince a follower to trust them more and more, more and more and more, more than anything including God---- as he can only be found in the bible, christian bible that is (not any material although it can be useful at times) but not as a replacement or equally esteemed to the Bible.

At CE to be specific you are told that you are 'a god' {Eve's very first temptation--she fell for it}---so now that you are 'a god' not a royal priesthood who is a priest and cannot pay tithe, as priests do not pay but receive tithe.

Pastor Chris is a bigger 'god' than you----remember the book Animal Farm ---where "all animals were equal some being more equal than others" lol
You get the point!

These 'gods' are not equal some are clearly more equal than others because, money goes in one direction, interpretation of scripture not different, the other 'gods' do not have 'rhema'.

Now you are on the highway of god worshiping and that has always been a weakness of man, Jews in particular, always wanting a god they can see.
Now the solution is here!!! he can be  seen clearly Pastor Chris GFP. He never fails "I have never suffered in my life" Pastor Chris GFP

"I will never be broke in my life, I will never be sick , I will never suffer in my life" Pastor Chris GFP

How can an unlearned christian resist this 'god' he never suffered and never will he looks better than Job{suffered without cause}, Paul{was killed}, Peter{killed}, Jesus{killed before he rose again}, John the baptist {killed} many christians also

This one stands alone claims a better position

This is done strategically you cannot see it at once until you dare to challenge it, after seeing many things not adding up.

@ Enigma
I can't respond to what you quoted me on. I only stated the truth as I know it.

The hardest thing for me to believe is that Pastor Chris Oyakhilome is this gospel for making money as it has been advocated. I probably can accept (for myself) that the other faults CE has been questioned for in the public are as the people state them. Because the people who receive the message are people with families who depend on them and these are the same people who have passed on after attending the healing school sessions. I can't turn my back on such incidents and make a story for mind by saying the reports are false, the devil does not want the gospel to bE preached but the church is moving on.
What about the family of that person that passed on? It would not be right for me to deny such information when I hear it and its proven to be true so that I can align myself with a specific person or church. Protecting the church cannot be greater than the life of a person.
That is my views will some what differ and at times seem to contradict each other. And its hard for me to accept that Pastor Chris (and therefore CE )is in the gospel for money, I just can't accept that.