Kenyan28:

If only u walked one mile in my shoe.

I need not walk in your shoes to have a picture of what you might have gone through and will go through, but what If only you walked in the shoes of the woman with issue of blood in the Bible, maybe you should go study how she got healed, learn about her mindset. I really want your story to change, I really want you healed

Gombs:

I need not walk in your shoes to have a picture of what you might have gone through and will go through, but what If only you walked in the shoes of the woman with issue of blood in the Bible, maybe you should go study how she got healed, learn about her mindset. I really want your story to change, I really want you healed

I am waiting for your PM.

Gombs: Welcome back, but on a serious note, SirJohn, your post and 'bounty' was uncalled for and totally callous. Are we supposed as Christians, to accept a contest just to prove God heals? Even them atheists can't make us do that for reasons obvious in the bible.
All required for a healing is believing that one can be healed by the power in the name of Jesus, through whoever is ministering, not because of cash incentives just to score points.
Kenyan went for that special bait by Sir John, by saying "I dare you" "we could share the 1/2 million naira...looolest" "pray for this kenya girl till she turns negetive". This for me is not one who wants to receive healing, majorly because of "so that we can set a clean rexord for CEC miracle"
SirJohn, Weldone

See this hypocrite talking
I didn't call for the challenge, the challenge was thrown to me and what I did was simply accede to it and put up my own proposition along side the challenge based on certain cases that will result in little or no controversy . Your post here even suggested you were warming up to the challenge, maybe you thought Joagbaje would take the bait . Maybe putting up a cash bounty was going too far, and I most sincerely withdraw my cash offer. But I will still be glad to be called upon anytime to witness any healing meeting where any of the cases I mentioned will be ministered to; and if they get healed I will tender an unreserved apology.

Gombs: Well then, I see this thread is finally heading somewhere, my request for an interview is hereby suspended. Kenyan, we await you.

SirJohn: @All,
MY TAKE ON THE KENYAN28 CHALLENGE

I am of the opinion that the Kenyan28 challenge will probably end inconclusive for the two reasons:

1. Joagbaje has already raised a red flag with the comment below, so if she doesn't get healed, he will obviously fall back on flimsy excuses like lack of faith or the presence of sin in her life.



2. I really think we should not put this woman through another emotional torture.

Notwithstanding my reservations, I will still accede to this challenge on the following conditions

1. that a preliminary test be done to confirm initial status. Test will be done at a generally agreed location and result be published here before the ministration.

2. Location of the ministration be made open

3.Conclusion of the challenge to be determined only by the result of a follow up test after the prayers

Gombs: Welcome back, but on a serious note, SirJohn, your post and 'bounty' was uncalled for and totally callous. Are we supposed as Christians, to accept a contest just to prove God heals? Even them atheists can't make us do that for reasons obvious in the bible.

When Joagbaje was ridiculing the drugs the Kenyan was using to stay alive, you didn't think that was "uncalled for and totally callous". You kept mute then. Now you are giving us the definition of what a Christian is. Truth is that the monetary offer was an extreme measure for you guys to prove your claim. Unfortunately all you've got is talk and unverifiable videos.

Gombs:
All required for a healing is believing that one can be healed by the power in the name of Jesus, through whoever is ministering, not because of cash incentives just to score points.

My dear, sorry to puncture your Word of Faith theology. All a person needs to be healed is God. Period. While faith accompanied a lot of miracles in scriptures, a lot more had the recipient either deriding God (Abraham and Sarah laughed, eg) or where completely without any iota of faith. It's God by grace because of mercy that gives us all things, including healing.

Gombs:
Kenyan went for that special bait by Sir John, by saying "I dare you" "we could share the 1/2 million naira...looolest" "pray for this kenya girl till she turns negetive". This for me is not one who wants to receive healing, majorly because of "so that we can set a clean rexord for CEC miracle"

Don't blame the Kenyan here. You do not know what that lady has gone through and you are not prepared to wear her shoes for a minute. Blame your sect.

Gombs:
SirJohn, Weldone

I am happy SirJohn has withdrawn the cash offer. You guys and your serpentine nature have again succeeded in twisting a sincere offer of cash for proof of miracle on it's head to blame him again. The offer of apology in newspapers, however, is even more potent. If I were you, I will ensure I take the challenge and provide the proof here. It might, at least, reduce the shame your sect is contending with in the Nigerian public eye. As its now, with allegations of fake miracles, leadership immorality, Chris' divorce, etc, Christ Embassy has no testimony left in Nigeria.

Faith healing. An example of practices in a healing school. T B Joshua and Chris Oyakhilome style:

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Johannesburg - Ruben Kruger, a veteran of 36 tests in the green and gold, returned after a week in Nigeria and declared that a Pentecostal preacher he called the Prophet had healed his brain cancer, City Press reports.

Temitope Balogun “TB” Joshua prayed for him in the Synagogue Church of All Nations compound while thousands of people sang, danced and wailed, Kruger said.

As Joshua bent over him and implored the demon to be gone from his body, Kruger felt the tumour leaving him. He was cured, Joshua declared, handing him oil to rub on his head.

“I no longer have to drink my chemo pills,” Kruger said on his return. “You cannot describe the feeling to anyone who has not experienced it. It was an unbelievable – or should I say believable – experience.”

The floodgates opened and the Prophet’s newest converts were white, mostly Afrikaans and relatively conservative. They swopped the NG and Hervormde churches for a Nigerian “turn-or-burn” approach to redemption.

It took me some time to understand why the Afrikaner psyche found Joshua so irresistible.

Why were they prepared to seek salvation in a country they perceived to be drowning in greed, political rot and economic decay?

Christianity Nigerian-style was worlds apart from the chains and shackles of Calvinism. Joshua unchained them. He allowed them to worship with a gusto and fervour previously thought unseemly.

That the new messiah was black and his church in Africa’s biggest and maddest metropolis only added to the allure.

Documentary

A year or two after Kruger returned from Lagos, I made the same journey. On the plane was another Springbok rugby player, 25-year-old lock Wium Basson, who was dying of liver cancer. He was accompanied by his mother, Cloeté Geldenhuys, and had to get special permission from SAA to make the journey.

I was making a TV documentary and my challenge to Joshua was straightforward: allow me to film how you heal Basson. If you succeed, I promise I will show it to the world.

When we arrived at Joshua’s compound, the TV team and I were in effect incarcerated. For two weeks, we were forbidden to leave the grounds.

We were told we could not drink or smoke, and had to attend services and events with the pilgrims.

While I stayed in a dormitory with other pilgrims, Wium and Cloeté set up camp in a private room.

The church took away the young man’s morphine and pain pills.

During our first interview, a softly spoken, affable Joshua said it would be easy to heal Wium because he had nothing but a “little sore” on his liver.

At Sunday sermons, the afflicted lined up with placards stating what condition they needed healed.

There were lines of people seeking a cure for HIV/Aids, cancer and heart conditions, business failures, wandering spouses and dull brains.

A festive, almost joyous atmosphere filled the compound as churchgoers sang, clapped and danced. Evil spirits were cast out and those set free by the Prophet writhed in the dirt while vomiting out the demons.

'Placebo effect'

Joshua prayed for every person in the line and declared them all healed. He ordered them to stop using any medication and trust in God.

Among the pilgrims was Capetonian John Rindel, who was suffering from full-blown Aids and already had dementia.

He had arrived at the church several weeks before we did, was prayed for by Joshua and declared completely healed.

He had stopped taking his medicine and showed remarkable improvement.

Scientists refer to this as the “placebo effect” of faith healing. A patient can experience genuine pain relief and other symptomatic alleviation after being prayed for.

The relief is short-lived and the patient soon returns to his original condition.

The internet is filled with reports from organisations like the American Cancer Society and the British Medical Journal that found no evidence faith healing can cure physical ailments.

On my request, Rindel agreed to go for two independent HIV/Aids tests when he returned to South Africa. Both showed he was still positive. He died a short while later.

The BBC recently investigated the London branch of the church and reported that three women had died after being “healed” and told to stop taking their HIV/Aids medication.

I challenged the pilgrims to provide me with medical proof that they had been healed. None did.

Ruben Kruger died in 2010 just before his 40th birthday.

And Wium Basson?

Joshua never prayed for him. He said God had not sent him a message to do so.

The young man left the church broken, disillusioned and at death’s door. He died a few days after returning to South Africa.

Before I left the church, Joshua handed me, and the camera and sound people, thick envelopes full of hundred dollar notes. He wanted to be sure we’d produce a positive programme.

We gave the envelopes back.

A year or so after the programme aired – and generated a massive response from people who called us accusing Joshua of all sorts of misdeeds – the preacher produced a video of a 76-year-old South African man named Moses he said he’d brought back from the dead.

Moses was among a group of South African pilgrims in Lagos when he had a heart attack in the dining room.

Videos distributed around the world showed three pilgrims, one a doctor from Bloemfontein, trying to resuscitate Moses.

They failed, the videos reported, and Moses was carried into another room. Joshua walked in, bent over him and commanded: “In the name of Jesus, rise!”

Moses opened his eyes. It later emerged that Moses had been both alive and breathing when he was carried from the dining hall. He’d been resuscitated, not resurrected, and clever editing created a fake miracle.

I understand the despair of terminally ill people and why they grasp at final straws. My father died of lung cancer and might well have made the journey to Lagos.

I am just glad he is not here any more to become a victim of a ravenous tick that feasts on the blood of the ignorant, gullible and desperate.

- City Press

www.nairaland.com/1915886/inside-tb-joshuas-broken-temple

Kenyan28:

I am waiting for your PM.

Yeah, I would, just so busy with staff training. That's why I am on in mornings and nights...we are on break now

SirJohn:

See this hypocrite talking
I didn't call for the challenge, the challenge was thrown to me and what I did was simply accede to it and put up my own proposition along side the challenge based on certain cases that will result in little or no controversy . Your post here even suggested you were warming up to the challenge, maybe you thought Joagbaje would take the bait . Maybe putting up a cash bounty was going too far, and I most sincerely withdraw my cash offer. But I will still be glad to be called upon anytime to witness any healing meeting where any of the cases I mentioned will be ministered to; and if they get healed I will tender an unreserved apology.

Sir, the challenge was to Joagbaje, and your only part was what your reaction would be, not what you would put up for the challenge. You ruined it all though, but I like your honesty, and appreciate your gesture for admitting the bounty was way off. Thank you, and I hope this thread goes a different direction from here.

WinsomeX: Faith healing. An example of practices in a healing school. T B Joshua and Chris Oyakhilome style:



www.nairaland.com/1915886/inside-tb-joshuas-broken-temple

Hmmm! there are dozens and even hundreds of warnings out there, all with similar accounts as I have given, later some clowns will come here saying its only 'SirJohn' that talking.

The truth is people are generally gullible, its just the sad truth. Someone has asked me here before 'why the thousands of people who throng the healing school and some other places like that don't come back with my story' my answer is 'there are loads of account just like mine here on the internet but some people just decide to turn a blind eye to it'
It will amaze you how many Europeans and Americans fall for cheap internet scams despite loads of publications that litter the internet; it honestly amazes me and I can clearly draw a relationship between this and what happens in the christian circles. Some of these scams are sometimes ridiculously lame yet they claim so called educated people. What will also shock you is the caliber of people who fall for scams generally worldwide, the statistics is staggering; and I can immediately relate to that because I sometimes get amazed myself what some people choose to believe.
I have colleagues in the office who believe some of the most ridiculous superstitions you can imagine and sometimes I ask myself aren't these people supposed to be engineers? some with very enviable educational qualifications and several years of experience and exposure?
America spends millions of dollars trying to educate and warn its citizens about internet scams yet every minute, one American somewhere is falling for the same scam.
I hope and pray people gradually come to their senses and learn, otherwise....

Gombs:

Sir, the challenge was to Joagbaje, and your only part was what your reaction would be, not what you would put up for the challenge. You ruined it all though, but I like your honesty, and appreciate your gesture for admitting the bounty was way off. Thank you, and I hope this thread goes a different direction from here.

It was not just to Joagbaje, it was between me Joagbaje and Kenyan28. If I had declined, the challenge would still not have happened.

Drummaboy, I didn't bother replying your post for they are frivolous as they come. Did you click the link I put a page before? I don't expect you to though, but I know you did. Keep wallowing in your imaginations. The church will keep marching on, and there's nothing, absolutely nothing you or any means can do about it.

Quote me in 5years time...

Meanwhile, keep being bitter

Gombs:

Yeah, I would, just so busy with staff training. That's why I am on in mornings and nights...we are on break now

I'll not tire, I promise.

Gombs:

Yeah, I would, just so busy with staff training. That's why I am on in mornings and nights...we are on break now

Seems like am gonna wait forever.

Kenyan28:

Seems like am gonna wait forever.

oluwagombs@gmail.com

mail me please or drop yours

Gombs: Drummaboy, I didn't bother replying your post for they are frivolous as they come. Did you click the link I put a page before? I don't expect you to though, but I know you did. Keep wallowing in your imaginations. The CHURCH will keep MARCHING ON, and there's nothing, absolutely nothing you or any means can do about it.

Quote me in 5years time...

Meanwhile, keep being bitter

Sorry for interfering in your address to drummaboy

Yes, you mean the fake Church(self-seeking) in Revelations 6:2. A fake Christ that rode a white horse, had a bow but no arrow was given to him, so all he could do was stage miracles, organize placebo-effect healings and teach ungodly things
A time was given for him to march on but another was given for him to be judged

Topgainer:

Sorry for interfering in your address to drummaboy

Yes, you mean the fake Church(self-seeking) in Revelations 6:2. A fake Christ that rode a white horse, had a bow but no arrow was given to him, so all he could do was stage miracles, organize placebo-effect healings and teach ungodly things
A time was given for him to march on but another was given for him to be judged

Till then buddy! I'm glad you or any Nairalander aint the judge

Gombs:

oluwagombs@gmail.com

mail me please or drop yours

kenyantwentyeight@gmail.com

Gombs

How long does it take for an interview to begin

WinsomeX: Gombs

How long does it take for an interview to begin

He has absolutely nothing to say

PastorKun:

He has absolutely nothing to say

Exactly.

I thought so too.

WinsomeX:

Exactly.

I thought so too .

latest

https://www.nairaland.com/1918340/story-paul-grundy#26609101

WinsomeX: Gombs

How long does it take for an interview to begin

Soon buddy! We still talking

Alright, all is set for the interview, it would be a closed circuit interview, with precision. Kenyan, thanks again for the chance.

Would roll out the questions in few minutes time. Though this is a public forum, and I can't see your facial expressions, and I wouldn't know whether there is a third party communication, I however request we all be honest with replies. I'm the anchor 'interviwer', you are the interviewee, I throw the questions, you answer in all sincerity. I reserve the right to bring up your answers from other threads as regard the topic or issue.

Today's friday, my mornings are crowded, but 10am should be a perfect time, I however would not m7nd you picking a time after 10am ma'am.

I look forward to an exciting time. Cheers

Well, my Boss just rang me I can resume today's work by 10am...Now, that's the Spirit working! Kenyan, let me know when you're ready!

Gombs: Well, my Boss just rang me I can resume today's work by 10am...Now, that's the Spirit working! Kenyan, let me know when you're ready!

Kenyan28:
Seems like am gonna wait forever.

If you have any question to ask, please go right ahead and do so. Is it not obvious to you that this lady has been ready for your questions since forever?

WinsomeX:

If you have any question to ask, please go right ahead and do so. Is it not obvious to you that this lady has been ready for your questions since forever?

Hush buddy! Hush!

Gombs: Well, my Boss just rang me I can resume today's work by 10am...Now, that's the Spirit working! Kenyan, let me know when you're ready!

Too many ..should I call them conditions? Put ALL your questions here,it's been long overdue. Any time before 5pm (Kenyan time.)

Kenyan28:

Too many ..should I call them conditions? Put ALL your questions here,it's been long overdue. Any time before 5pm (Kenyan time.)

Thanks alot!

Ok, welcome to this interview, can you please detail me in short but precise details what took you to the Healing School SA, and why you opted for it, and also, what year?

Gombs:

Thanks alot!

Ok, welcome to this interview, can you please detail me in short but precise details what took you to the Healing School SA, and why you opted for it, and also, what year?

Compile ALL your questions in one comment. I have 2 more hours on this desk and don't do NL on weekends. Remember I am working.

Kenyan28:


Compile ALL your questions in one comment. I have 2 more hours on this desk and don't do NL on weekends. Remember I am working.

Maa'am, this is an INTERVIEW not an EXAMINATION. Which interview have you ever seen the interviewer saying all the questions to the interviewee at the start?

See, you Monday then! I work too!

Gombs:

Maa'am, this is an INTERVIEW not an EXAMINATION. Which interview have you ever seen the interviewer saying all the questions to the interviewee at the start?

See, you Monday then! I work too!

I see the strategy you want to use, evidently you want to ask her leading questions with the aim of getting her to contradict herself using the same tricks that lawyers use in court. But it won't work here cause some of us are on stand by to expose your trickery.

Gombs:

Maa'am, this is an INTERVIEW not an EXAMINATION. Which interview have you ever seen the interviewer saying all the questions to the interviewee at the start?

See, you Monday then! I work too!

In our PM u asked if I went through my previous posts. Here I answer, why would I need to revise a book that I authored to pass exams set from it?. I wont go through any posts. I know what I have written over the years and would still write the same even in the middle of a dream.