mbaemeka:

The difference between me and you is that I would easily take you on what I believe and when I provide incontrovertible evidences from scripture you would scamper like a scared dog with your tail behind your legs or better still create a new moniker to save face from the disgrace that the previous one suffered.

There was a Simeon in the bible who said the Holy Spirit told him he would not leave this world until he saw the Messiah. Was he also regurgitating heresies?

Let me tell you who a heretic is. A heretic is that person that attributes God's dunamis to present day improvements in medical science. When the same medical science is responsible for more deaths than all the 'fake' MOG that have ever existed put together.

Let me not even go to the issue of Eve sleeping with serpents or Jesus' double ascension being a pentecostal heresy. I am sure you must have repented from that foolishness by now.

BabaGnoni:

vooks, you better set the record straight for this peacockish wrapped up in oneself, in love with oneself, self-admiring, think too highly of oneself narcissistic delusional aberration self absorbed person who is mistaking persons or IDs for each other.

Seun has access of the IPs used by all and can confirm whether vooks is masquerading as some else or not

mbaemeaka your paranoia, persecution complex, vainess and lust for money/wealth are legendary

Some have beneficial, rewarding, purposeful, profitable, gainful, fruitful, productive, constructive, effective, important, substantial, meaningful, and worthy things to do than frolicking or wallowing in the gutter and/or rolling about in deep mud or murky water with you.

Shdemidemi, God bless him, has the grace, the stamina, the patience to tolerate you and/or indulge your smugness.

You are showing yourself up when you don't keep your ridiculous or wrong idea about who vooks is and your sick minded thought to yourself or in your head.

mbaemeaka don't you ever, in your life again, mistake vooks for BabaGnoni. Get your head out of the clouds!

"soki lọ́be oge" meaning "a word is enough to the wise"

BabaGnoni:

vooks, you better set the record straight for this peacockish wrapped up in oneself, in love with oneself, self-admiring, think too highly of oneself narcissistic delusional aberration self absorbed person who is mistaking persons or IDs for each other.

Seun has access of the IPs used by all and can confirm whether vooks is masquerading as some else or not

mbaemeaka your paranoia, persecution complex, vainess and lust for money/wealth are legendary

Some have beneficial, rewarding, purposeful, profitable, gainful, fruitful, productive, constructive, effective, important, substantial, meaningful, and worthy things to do than frolicking or wallowing in the gutter and/or rolling about in deep mud or murky water with you.

Shdemidemi, God bless him, has the grace, the stamina, the patience to tolerate you and/or indulge your smugness.

You are showing yourself up when you don't keep your ridiculous or wrong idea about who vooks is and your sick minded thought to yourself or in your head.

mbaemeaka don't you ever, in your life again, mistake vooks for BabaGnoni. Get your head out of the clouds!

"soki lọ́be oge" meaning "a word is enough to the wise"

vooks: BabaGnoni,
PS: your thread on WOLVES......I mean WOF is the richest thread I have ever come across. You are blessed above mbaemeko shenanigans

mbaemeka:

I don't know why I am being robed into this. Are you referring to the same husband that you said she dated for 8years till she attended the healing school yet she concealed her HIV positive status from him and even lied to him about her trip to SA or are you referring to the same lady who was in perfect health and had undetectable viral loads but kept going from church to church, crusade to crusade yet she got no miracle? I wonder why she needed one when she was already in tiptop shape even before going to the HS.

I also wonder why she consented to lying that she was (or wasn't) healed or why she faked falling under the anointing when she actually went there to get healed? Why didn't she just insist she was already healed and object to lying or why did she stay on if her faith had already healed her before she met Pastor Chris?

The fact is- if she could lie to her husband for 8 years thereby putting him at risk. If she could agree to lie that she wasn't healed so they could claim she was healed after meeting Pastor Chris. If she could pretend that she fell under the anointing. If she could lie to us all in 2010-2012 consistently (and unsolicitedly) that she was healed and in perfect health. Then she could very much be telling another lie now which only means that those who choose to believe her are doing so not minding how duplicitous (and initiated by bile) her newfangled stories are. But I am not surprised because when a man has made up his mind to hang his dog, even a thread used for sewing would be more than sufficient for him.

vooks:
Has Jesus made a written request to take you home yet?

Larow: I believe in miracles

Gombs:

Hmm.... Dear Lord Jesus

Gombs:

Hmm.... Dear Lord Jesus

mbaemeka:

Jokes on you. Since Jesus didn't take his blood to heaven neither did he ascend to offer his 'human blood'. Good thing you ran away from that thread. Trolling fits you better than biblical debates.

Keep trolling away, the only people that would envy you on your trolling expendition are the broke bloggers who share the same MPD with you.

AlfaSelltzer: Kenyan, if what mbaemeka said is true, then I'm highly disappointed.

You kept us in the dark with regards that part, only to project a part you want us to know, probably to see things your way. You lied to us all who are watching from the sidelines too, obviously, it's a habit, judging from your change of statements as gombs and WinsomeX pointed out.

Vooks even went as far as saying that your husband is negetive and there is an air borne strain of the virus in Kenya, and you must have been exposed to it-like seriously? I'm beginning to think there is a grand conspiracy here.

*unfollows thread

AlfaSelltzer:
Kenyan, if what mbaemeka said is true, then I'm highly disappointed.

AlfaSelltzer:
You kept us in the dark with regards that part, only to project a part you want us to know, probably to see things your way. You lied to us all who are watching from the sidelines too, obviously, it's a habit, judging from your change of statements as gombs and WinsomeX pointed out.

AlfaSelltzer:
Vooks even went as far as saying that your husband is negetive and there is an air borne strain of the virus in Kenya, and you must have been exposed to it-like seriously? I'm beginning to think there is a grand conspiracy here.

AlfaSelltzer:
*unfollows thread

WinsomeX:

Is it not laughable that while your opening statement is premised on an "if", the rest of your post is based on the certainty that what mbaemeka wrote is true. An "if" statement should also permit an "if not" too, don't you think? However, since your statement is clearly biased there is little or nothing one can say here to change your mind.

But let me make it clear to you that anyone who reads the account of the Kenyan cannot but agree that she is telling the truth. Most of us have very little at stake on this matter. She had her life hanging on the precipice. She could have lost it, if not for God's mercy. I am thankful to God she is alive to testify to the falsehood in Christ Embassy today.



I am not sure of which of my statement you are referring to but everything I have said here has been to buttress the Kenyan's position. Lest you find it difficult to comprehend me, SirJohn took the effort to explain the psyche of the deceived. Don't forget that this is a woman suffering a lifelong illness. She needed healing and could be desperate. She seeks help and sought CE. Like SJ said, she went through three stages of: "I'm healed in Jesus Name" in consonance with the faith jargon she had been taught. Then "I do not seem to be healed; what's happening to me", when the reality of the fact that the healing did not happen. The WOF folks here will have us believe she sinned or stopped having faith. But this is clearly not true as she continually "faithed", even keeping correspondence with a cancer patient who was also prayed for at the HS, who was encouraging her faith too but who is long dead now.

Then she reached her final point: "I was never healed at CE HS". This position was reached out of the trauma of not just seeing her HIV status restored but almost loosing her daughter to the illness. She also has many friends who attended the HS, who either are long dead or still suffering illnesses. She obviously couldn't continue the fraud. And she had nothing to loose in telling the truth.



Vooks has spoken already in the post above.



Well, I hope you see this in your mention.

On a final note here, I want to ask the Kenyan to get one or more of those she claims also attended the CE HS to come and give their own testimony here. We will look for a way to verify their claims and possibly provide medical records too. Hopefully that will put an end to all this.

But I doubt it will. My reason: the Christ Embassy Church is proving more and more to me to be a cult following than a church organization. If the wife of the leader, who lives with him and should know him, can say that Pastor Chris is committing adultery and we have the same set of people who are here defending his spurious claim to miraculous healing, defending a clear allegation by his own wife, it's clear that these people have lost their capacity to think. And anything that pours out of the lips of their idol is what they will believe. So, quite naturally, if Chris will have them believe that healing is occurring at the HS, no proof in heaven or earth will change their minds.

Kenyan28 can you make those provisions?

LambanoPeace:

Damage control!

Are you saying Kenyan did not lie about anything?

WinsomeX:

You can believe whatever you want. The thread is not read by only Christ Embassy members. There is still a public out there that still have ability to think.

WinsomeX:

Is it not laughable that while your opening statement is premised on an "if", the rest of your post is based on the certainty that what mbaemeka wrote is true. An "if" statement should also permit an "if not" too, don't you think? However, since your statement is clearly biased there is little or nothing one can say here to change your mind.

But let me make it clear to you that anyone who reads the account of the Kenyan cannot but agree that she is telling the truth. Most of us have very little at stake on this matter. She had her life hanging on the precipice. She could have lost it, if not for God's mercy. I am thankful to God she is alive to testify to the falsehood in Christ Embassy today.



I am not sure of which of my statement you are referring to but everything I have said here has been to buttress the Kenyan's position. Lest you find it difficult to comprehend me, SirJohn took the effort to explain the psyche of the deceived. Don't forget that this is a woman suffering a lifelong illness. She needed healing and could be desperate. She seeks help and sought CE. Like SJ said, she went through three stages of: "I'm healed in Jesus Name" in consonance with the faith jargon she had been taught. Then "I do not seem to be healed; what's happening to me", when the reality of the fact that the healing did not happen. The WOF folks here will have us believe she sinned or stopped having faith. But this is clearly not true as she continually "faithed", even keeping correspondence with a cancer patient who was also prayed for at the HS, who was encouraging her faith too but who is long dead now.

Then she reached her final point: "I was never healed at CE HS". This position was reached out of the trauma of not just seeing her HIV status restored but almost loosing her daughter to the illness. She also has many friends who attended the HS, who either are long dead or still suffering illnesses. She obviously couldn't continue the fraud. And she had nothing to loose in telling the truth.



Vooks has spoken already in the post above.



Well, I hope you see this in your mention.

On a final note here, I want to ask the Kenyan to get one or more of those she claims also attended the CE HS to come and give their own testimony here. We will look for a way to verify their claims and possibly provide medical records too. Hopefully that will put an end to all this.

But I doubt it will. My reason: the Christ Embassy Church is proving more and more to me to be a cult following than a church organization. If the wife of the leader, who lives with him and should know him, can say that Pastor Chris is committing adultery and we have the same set of people who are here defending his spurious claim to miraculous healing, defending a clear allegation by his own wife, it's clear that these people have lost their capacity to think. And anything that pours out of the lips of their idol is what they will believe. So, quite naturally, if Chris will have them believe that healing is occurring at the HS, no proof in heaven or earth will change their minds.

Kenyan28 can you make those provisions?

Kenyan28: [/b]

Soon.

Gombs:

Sir, Please she hasn't, well... before that, let me give a prelude to the answer.

John 5:14
But afterward Jesus found him in the Temple and told him, "Now you are well; so stop sinning, or something even worse may happen to you.


1. A man got healed
2. Jesus said the above to him

I want to ask, is it then possible from the above, that one can lose a healing miracle? From the above, why is it possible?

Kenyan28:


Where in the bible is it recorded that Jesus healed and the same person got back the same ailment??! Explain this to me like a 2 years old baby!

Gombs:

1. We now know who the liar is between HS and Kenyan.

2. We now know why she lost her healing, from the commentary of John 5:14

4. It is now on record for the whole world to see why some folks don't get healed in the HS and thus get bitter, or why some loose it because of their lifestyle.

SirJohn:

I feel your frustration kiddo, you probably thought you'd be the hero who trashed those who dared to speak out about the hidden lies in the Christ Embassy Healing School. You met a brick wall and of course you had to fight dirty. Oh so now its her lifestyle wonders shall never end. It moved from 'oh she didn't have faith' to 'oh she has anger problems' to 'oh shes a slut'
y'all can take your jabs at her one by one, but you can't kill her spirit just like they couldn't kill mine.

Contrary to your failed theology, nothing worse has come on @Kenyan28, She looks healthy and pretty I'm sure maybe healthier than some of you put together (you can ask Joagbaje) shes has a happy family and her daughter is doing just fine.

Hopefully soon, very soon, she may cease to be the topic of discussion here

Gombs:

Ok, I would assume you know the answer, which is yes, one can loose it, and for various reasons. Consider pulpit commentary for John 5:14

Gombs:
that said, i have no detail of her personal life, her number one reason for loosing the healing is not far fetched from the above, eg what was her life like with her fiance before marriage?

Gombs:
alot could be, only she can say, it's between her and God.

Gombs:
In other words, Kenyan has far worse state than she was.

Gombs:

but it is certain one can loose their healing.

Joagbaje:
I presented an HIV case that was healed here . I dare all of you to investigate it . Go to the federal medical centre . And expose my lie . I somehow think you guys knows I'm right but pride will not allow you to admit . If not somebody should have investigated this testimony .

WinsomeX:
^^^

And since Boss13 pointed out that the guy Jo' prayed for and the one giving a testimony are two different individuals, Jo' has been lost and still not found.

WinsomeX:
^^^

And since Boss13 pointed out that the guy Jo' prayed for and the one giving a testimony are two different individuals, Jo' has been lost and still not found.

Obi1kenobi:
Good lord. These Christ Embassy and Pastor Chris apologists are embarrassing. I guess frauds think alike. They've been well mentored by their god, Pastor Chris. What else is there to say? This kind of thing thrives only in ignorant, impoverished, uneducated countries with too many desperate people. Nigeria is the perfect country for breeding these men.

Boss13:


Exactly. However, gradually people will see the light and begin to address the stance of things. In 20 years, some many religious ideologists will be debunked and more people in Nigeria will continue to question a lot of practices especially those emanating for many church leaders.