peteofi:
It is sad, as an engineer, I feel your pains brother. And I have asked myself the same question over and over. The truth is this, because most of this firms can't pay an engineers full fee, the go for quacks that just learnt the job in 6 months. Another thing is that you can acquire this technical knowledge; just enough to get you by. But let me assure you that COREN and NSE are fighting this injustice to engineers. One day, we will prevail. We want our own special treatment; like doctors, lawyers we are professions also. Besides, WE BUILD THIS NATION. Without us, the lawyers won't feed, the doctors will have nothing. So we deserve that RESPECT.

what av u manufacture in nigeria..look at ur mouth like without us

The basic question is what value has the engineering body added to the Nigerian economy. As far as i can see NON.

I have always stood my ground on this "DOCTORS SHOULD BE PAID MOREEEEEEEE""" Whether the masses likes it or not.


EBOLA came to Nigeria, Doctors and Nurses are dying, where are the Engineers?

Tbliss12:


Hello Sir!! I'm sure u said all this out of funny emotions(and words of this nature is not expected from a Doc of ur status as u claim to be) thinking u or ur profession is being beefed, No! No!! No!!! Why will anyone do that its just an avenue where d general public get sensitized alongside the govt that things should be done the right way by letting all professionals be in their respective fields during NYSC.... Simple!!! That's the point being made here.
Laziness!! Is simply a state of mind which could manifest irrespective of ur discipline and mind u no lazy man can make a living in the Nigeria of today. And if they still exist too bad very soon u see them on the street doing CORPORATE BEGGING

Bro,u got it twisted. I wasn't accusing u of being lazy,i dunno you. It ll be daft to conclude like that. My point is docs get higher pay during corps because they do more,not necessarily because FG sees them differently.
And engineers can mk a whole lot more than doctors provided u mk something good for yourself. Anyone cd be lazy BTW
#peace

alotofgrace:


U WRONG THERE!!!
who's machines converted ur herbal drugs to tablets? who designed ur syringe?
get this...medicine is fixed, no creativity........in engineering, we combine the beauty of arts and the Heavenly tool called Mathematics to change things as challenges portray themselves

doctors do nothing, infact GOD HEALS, THE DOC TAKES THE FEE

remember...God was first an electrical/engineering....let there be light

..........engineering rules

Dude don't talk sh11t. MEDICINE IS NOT FIXED. Medicine is very dynamic. God heals? Yes I agree with you, but pls next time u need ur appendix removed just go to God in prayer.

Brothers....calm down. I would share my opinion about this at 3 levels, JAMB level, in school, and after school. I am a Mechanical Engineer. 5 yrs on the job. I was born into a medical family, both parents are still practicing Medical doctors, both brothers r medical doctors. So I think I hv sufficient info about the two fields to make a slightly balanced opinion. In my opinion, medicine is overated and engineering is underrated. The fact that medicine has a higher cut off mark during JAMB doesn't make it any more difficult. At that level, you can only compare courses that share the the same required subjects, like med and microbiology, and zoology etc. An average biologyy jamb question takes how long, 5 secs at most to figure out if u know it or not, in physics, u calculate, u think, u check alternative solutions of u hv d time. NUC put those kind of things into consideration before setting cut off marks, and it may not be expexted of a jambite to finish his physics questions. So cut off is generally lower, u can compare Engr to physics, to mathematics, to computer science. To compare it to medicine would be like comparing my rice to ur beans.

justi4jesu:
I have always stood my ground on this "DOCTORS SHOULD BE PAID MOREEEEEEEE""" Whether the masses likes it or not.


EBOLA came to Nigeria, Doctors and Nurses are dying, where are the Engineers?

Don't mind them o. They will sit down there be talking nonsense. And when a patient dies, they won't say it God that heals, but will be blaming the doctors and nurses for incompetence.

kittykat1:
I am an Engineer and have at least 8 years working experience and I don't agree with the OP.
The Medical corpers already have job experience. From clinical in university and housemanship. He can confidently run a small clinic without any help. Meanwhile the engineer is still a full blown trainee. He is offering essential services meanwhile an Engineer corper isn't.



Op rather than look for equity at NYSC level, why don't you get focused and aim higher. If u work hard and play smart, u can earn six times to ten times what an average doctor of ur level will earn after NYSC. Healthcare is sensitive and Government responsibility, while engineering wages are mainly market and industry sector driven.

God bless u bro for this input

I cannot say much for the med school, but mechanical Engr is tough. In my 4th year, we only treated one topic in a course for the whole semester. CONDUCTION under heat and mass transfer. A medical student may read a thousand paged book for the semester. While I studied a Topic. Well..this is subjective and depends on the intellectual level of the individual in question.

Op, yes it is not fair but you have to see the big picture. You should be more worried about what happens next after NYSC. I encountered same thing during my service year. Medically inclined courses received at the end of service year a whopping 950k while the Engineers got a token sum of N36,000. 950k:36k (O boy!). Yeah, but we can really say that they are unfair to us. Sentiment apart, these guys spent a lot of money on their education, in terms of acquiring textbooks, medical equipments etc. The lucky ones get scholarships. Not also forgetting that a medical student can spend up to 8 years in the university. So it would not be fair if we receive the same amount during NYSC. But in the long term, an average engineer can earn more than a doctor. What Engineers can advocate for is for the FG to also provide more and better incentives for them, in terms of compulsory accommodation, relevant PPA's, skills acquisition, ICT Training etc. Doctors, pharmacists, SLT are all sent to medical institutions while engineers are sent to class rooms to teach instead of industries where they can acquire relevant practical work experience. Not the government fault though but nobody to push and advance our cause. The engineering bodies are still busy collecting dues.

Nevertheless, Doctors should spare us this bullshit of saving lives as if na only dem them dey save lives. Has d increase in the number of doctors, pharmacists reduced the number of deaths, diseases, epidermic, virus, accidents etc, Hell NO!! Even though engineers are sent to schools to teach, FG and SG should also try to appreciate them because they teach students and enlighten them on d best practices so has to stay healthy. When it comes to saving life, everybody has different roles to play- doctors, teachers, engineers, etc. If the FG and SG so much value the Doctors more than us (engineers), why are they refusing to use our clinics nah? At d slightest headache or toothache, they travel abroad even for medical checkups! lols. Doctors, you can only save one life at a time, Engineers save lives. Imagine a building or bridge collapsing and try to anticipate the resulting casualties. If there is an engineering failure, not only lives will be lost; properties inclusive. Now tell me, who saves lives more?
It is also a know fact that Engineering is intellectually more challenging than Medicine,...FACT! Medicine requires memorization and cramming while Engineering requires lots of problem solving and proactive analytical thinking (IQ). Most of the medical equipments are designed by engineers. The principles upon which these equipments works have their roots embedded in engineering.

In a nut shell, the large sum of money the medical guys are being paid during NYSC is justified. However, the government should also put the engineers too in a comfort zone. It should be a win-win thing. Nobody has to get hurt.

As for the pay, I think an established engineer who knows his onions is paid better than a doctor would ever be paid. The best a young doctor can be paid is less than 600k, engineers at the same level are better paid

lol..in Nigeria there are only two courses,LAW and MEDICINE....it's not like if the others are rubbish and irrelevant,but society has placed too much relevance on those two.

Felixjude:
There is no 'big gap' between those two profession in reality. its normal for the medical guys to think they are @the sumit during their study years, but when it comes to good jobs and making real cash, its the engineers.......how many medical doctors recieve between 350 to 450k a month in salary....the only advantage they have is job security.

And what percentage of the engineering graduates earn that 350 to 450k?

dridowu:
@op, when medical student are busy reading during/after session , where are engineering student ?
Whe Doctors are busy at work during strike, public holiday and night duty, where are the engineers ?
Where are the engineers when the Docs are using part of their hard earned money to cater for some patients ?
Where are the NSE/COREN , when NMA/NVMA/NMDCN are disucssing the future with govt ?
Where are the engineers when the Docs are been woken up in the middle of the night to attend to their enemies/friends ?
Where are the enginners when the Docs have an accidental injury ?
Where are the engineers when the Docs are giving real bite from relation of the patient that dies ?
Guy, no time for story , just face your work and leave the medical field alone.
Jah Bless

Well said,Comrade! Medicine and surgery remains the highest and most tedious course in the university all over the world.The medical doctor is the "god" humans see on earth. Nigerian doctors are even earning peanuts....
@Op....It amazes me how people go to school,run 5 years,some 4years(poly ),Write semester exams and thrive to have high GPA, graduate and want to compete with medical doctors.
So Engineers(others too) should face their field and stop envying the doctors.Becoming a medical doctor is a long journey that affects the individual, his/her family,church, community physically, emotionally, financially, psychologically....... Doctors just have to be favoured above all other professions.

Be realistic son.
What have you done with your fresh Engineering degree that you think you deserve the same pay as a trained doctor, who will save lives while putting his on the line.

Felixjude:
There is no 'big gap' between those two profession in reality. its normal for the medical guys to think they are @the sumit during their study years, but when it comes to good jobs and making real cash, its the engineers.......how many medical doctors recieve between 350 to 450k a month in salary....the only advantage they have is job security.

Consultants earn more than that

DollyParton1:

Don't mind them o. They will sit down there be talking nonsense. And when a patient dies, they won't say it God that heals, but will be blaming the doctors and nurses for incompetence.

I wont mind them definitely.

Jealousy. Lol which machine can you design. Can you even start a generator let a lone heavy duty plant. All this engineers by book. Rubbish.

If you wanna earn like a medical doctor, become a medical doctor.

slimmy05:
Jealousy. Lol which machine can you design. Can you even start a generator let a lone heavy duty plant. All this engineers by book. Rubbish.

lol

DollyParton1:

And what percentage of the engineering graduates earn that 350 to 450k?

No doubt Engineers are wealthier than doctors in the end.

nobilis:
I'm sorry to say but this is a really useless post.
It is this kind of comparison that is causing this friction between doctors and other health workers in public hospitals. You only look at the remuneration.

Now look at this:
1. When medical students study very hard during UTME and post-UTME aptitude tests in order to gain admission into universities, where were the engineering students? At least, we all know that the cut-off mark for Medicine is always higher than that of Engineering.

OP, did you protest that there is a lot of "GAP" in the admission requirements between the two courses of study?

No. You didn't.

2. When you go on end-of-semester breaks and the medical students remain in school (with no hopes of breaks), studying and doing their hospital postings, OP, did you protest that medical students are working in school while you're having the time of your life on Holz? Obviously you didn't.

3. When engineering students fail exams, they carry the courses over to the next session, while when medical students fail exams (depending on the degree of failure), they may have to drop a class and repeat the whole session.
OP, did you protest that you guys should be permitted to drop classes when you fail exams?
No, you didn't.

4. When you graduate after 5 years of study, and the medical students you gained admission with are still groaning under the weight of one professional exam or the other, did you protest that you should be made to spend more years in school? No, you didn't. You graduated with joy and happiness.

But now, you're protesting that doctors and health workers are treated more specially than engineers during NYSC years. Isn't that greed and injustice? You want Abraham's blessings to be yours but you don't want Abraham's sufferings and hardwork to be yours.

Chop knuckles jare.

Dunno why they just feel like dieing untop health professionals matter.

Olril18:
lol..in Nigeria there are only two courses,LAW and MEDICINE....it's not like if the others are rubbish and irrelevant,but society has placed too much relevance on those two.

LAW? Really?
Don't get us started on Law please. That profession is saturated jor.

Tbliss12:
All over the world its no more "News" that these two field of career are both professional fields especially when it comes to practicing it in full scale. But its so saddened here in my country (Nigeria) the way Medical Student(Pharmacists,Nurses, Medical Lab Scientist and Doctors) are being given mouth watery treatment on NYSC service ground and the future Engineers are being treated like idiots.

Infact in Benue State where I'm serving Med Guys are paid like 60k @ppa, 30k @state level followed with 3bedroom flats of Doctors quarters(free of charge) nd 19k of allawee compared with an Engineering Student sent to primary or secondary school with 2k@ ppa and just your 19k of allawee with no accommodation even if you had a First Class(B.Eng) in school. With this sad experience I thing the Engineering Bodies in this country (NSE nd COREN) are allowing our government to cheat us big time.

Med Guys make sure life of human is sustained but Engineers make life so comfortable for humans, we are everywhere going great things all around the world...

1. Automobile industry
2. Air-Condition and Refrigeration(Plasma air-con,doing great)
3. Electronics Devices (Mobile Devices,Laptops etc)
4. ICT and Telecommunications
5. Provision of Electricity(even if its still Bad, but Med Guys can't still do d job if not trained Engineers)
6. Biotechnology (Engineering coming into Medicine)
7. Architects, Civil Engineers and Builders
8. AeroNautical Engineers (Aircraft Engineers)
9. Marine Engineers

Just to mention a few now tell me, would you say its fair after all these areas of specialisation we (the upcoming Engineers) should be badly treated?

My guy, I believe that you are feeling this way due to your present state. I tell you, when you are successful in your feed, Nigerian health workers pay will be peanuts to you.

As an engineer that is well positioned earns far more than a doctor in the labour market.

See them, dem go fit do abortion?


How many Nairaland girls will patronise them?

Ignoraance is in play here, both are professional courses, but if u must know, hardwork guarantees so much. Its not about who earns higher during service year, its about who gets a job and earn beta after passing out. Carefully review the salary of engineers in these oil and gas sectors and u'll know how comfortable engineers are in their field. Even the salary of a technician wit an OND in an oil sector or an oil servicing firm is enough to mak one eager to be an Engineer. Its about hard work, grace and connection.

kittykat1:
I am an Engineer and have at least 8 years working experience and I don't agree with the OP.
The Medical corpers already have job experience. From clinical in university and housemanship. He can confidently run a small clinic without any help. Meanwhile the engineer is still a full blown trainee. He is offering essential services meanwhile an Engineer corper isn't.



Op rather than look for equity at NYSC level, why don't you get focused and aim higher. If u work hard and play smart, u can earn six times to ten times what an average doctor of ur level will earn after NYSC. Healthcare is sensitive and Government responsibility, while engineering wages are mainly market and industry sector driven.

important observation..They aren't medical students anymore..they are full medical doctors with Full license to practice medicine as well as work experience in a specialst setting.I learnt engineers have their coren license not soon after graduation.

when I tackle my engineer friends about small tasks I assume they should handle,they defend themselves saying those tasks should be done by the technicians and not engineers.
Nigerian engineers aren't as productive as Nigerian doctors (generally).Even Nigerian engineering students compared to Nigerian medical students.

Elantracey:
The disparity is displayed everywhere , though the usefulness of the medical field cannot be overemphasized they can't function properly without the help of engineers , take my school for example , the there are two medical hostels with are the best in the school while engineering has none and now even the newly built hostel is still being deliberated on whether it should go to the medical field.

Reason being that Medical Student need a very conducive environment to reside in so that they can concentrate and shouldn't mix up residing with other students who envy,hate them and don't understand why they have to read so often for long periods. Studying to fix human lives and studying to fix non-living objects require different levels of concentration. If a human being dies,that's the end.But if a wire,machine etc spoils,it can always be bought from the market.My parents favoured me over my siblings (Engr n Lawyer ) in every aspect esp Finance and Prayers.I got a larger share of that .

justi4jesu:
I have always stood my ground on this "DOCTORS SHOULD BE PAID MOREEEEEEEE""" Whether the masses likes it or not.


EBOLA came to Nigeria, Doctors and Nurses are dying, where are the Engineers?

Help me ask those Olojukokoro(covetous)

Haters gonna hate

Aspiring plastic surgeon

Nwachiizu:


No doubt Engineers are wealthier than doctors in the end.

Yea, the ones that are lucky enough to get a job that earns that much. But the question is, how many engineering graduates get to work as engineer and earn that much?
I know we feel the urge to badmouth doctors sometimes and make them realize that they are just overhyped and they still earn peanuts compared to some engineers, which is true. And really doctors don't care, cos u don't see them opening threads all around complaining about this. But the point is that, an average doctor earns more than an average engineer.

Sylvarresta:
Help me ask those Olojukokoro(covetous)

Dont mind them biko