Why are we here and how do we escape?

This is a fundamental question we must ask as we seek to enjoy life rather than becoming a victim of it

Every seeker of knowledge would want to find out why we exist in this world and how to escape from every predicament

If you are living a happy life, you may view life as interesting, but someone going through hell here on earth would prefer not to have being born e.g a child born blind or born into a war torn country with no sure hope of escape.

Is life vanity upon vanity or is there a satisfactory explanation as to why we are here.

Do you agree or disagree with any of the following or do you have more to add, please kindly share what you believe and let your explanation be practical to other faiths

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[li]Life is like a vehicle, we are parts of the vehicle, our Maker is the one driving. He has an objective, getting there requires that we all function according to His specification. Any part failing to function as required may be scraped or re-cycled

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[li]Life is like a drama, our Maker is the script writer, and we are all playing our part in this movie called life. Anyone failing to play role as required may be asked to rerun or kept in the waiting room for the after-show

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[li]Life is like a school, where we are expected to gain the required knowledge to ascend back to our Source. Anyone failing to meet the minimum requirement may not ascend back until matured enough to do so

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Big question: - what if someone preferred not to have been part of this life due to his/her present predicament, could there have been a choice, to be part or not to be? Someone please help me out.

1st theory:- John 15:1-8 In as much as we continue to think we are separate from each other, love and harmony may be far-fetched, everyone must function as part of each other in order to fulfill the ultimate plan of our maker. His Kingdom on earth may tarry until we learn how to appreciate one another and including our differences.

2nd theory: - Gen 50:15-21 In every adversity, there is equivalent or greater benefit. This theory is to enable us see many of the challenges of life as drama which may eventually turn out to be for happy ending e.g. in the case of Joseph and his brothers, the drama included both evil and good but eventually there was a happy ending (Such is life), life is meant for His pleasure?

3rd theory:- Gen 2, 3: This theory says that life exist before birth, and when we die we return back to our source only when we have learnt from our mistaken identity, thinking that we are separate from our maker is the source every problem, until we regain our true identity, earthly  life experience continues.

3rd Theory

, This school of thought is a very complex one. Here, we must learn, experiment, compete, dominate, overcome, replenish, suceed, and etc. people see life as a race, only few are getting somewhere, some are crawling and very few are running (alot of people are watching)

If you must run well, you have to learn how, life is full of mysteries, wisdom is a principal thing, with all thy gettings you must get understanding, the more you learn, the more you see the need to learn.

How do we escape, from what and why? OK, where do we escape to?


If you understand this line of thought, please kindly share yours

Well i believe we are here for a purpose, though there are several opinions it is my belief that God created man for a greater calling beyong this our planet. Life on earth is meant to prepare us individually and collectively (the human race) for a greater destiny which as not yet been revealed to us. The logic to this statement is that God created man in his image and likeness with abilities to be a god. ( here are several pointers to this in the bible though most churches are silent on it). The question then arises: why did God create man to belike him? Since our soul is eternal and we are created to be like God you can then begin to imagine why God created us and placed us on this earth. Another way of looking at it is that God is breeding growing a large army of "gods" whose future role is to dominate the universe with him just as we dominate the earth today.

A complex product requires the owner’s manual and a contact person so as to maximize its benefits.

Lack of the owner’s manual and a contact person may results in frustration trying to use the complex product.

Is Life a complex product?

Is there a manual for it?

Is there a contact person?

How may we use this product or how do we escape

KunleOshob:

Well i believe we are here for a purpose, though there are several opinions it is my belief that God created man for a greater calling beyong this our planet. Life on earth is meant to prepare us individually and collectively (the human race) for a greater destiny which as not yet been revealed to us. The logic to this statement is that God created man in his image and likeness with abilities to be a god. ( here are several pointers to this in the bible though most churches are silent on it). The question then arises: why did God create man to belike him? Since our soul is eternal and we are created to be like God you can then begin to imagine why God created us and placed us on this earth. Another way of looking at it is that God is breeding growing a large army of "gods" whose future role is to dominate the universe with him just as we dominate the earth today.

In essence, we are here for a yet to be revealed greater destiny, so life is like a journey to a yet to be revealed end, but if yet to be revealed how do we work towards it?

We are here to function as gods, with ability to create both good and bad events, reason why evil abound, gods lost their true identity, they began to operate low frequency energies like greed, hatred, covetousness, murder etc. Everyone must realise why they are here, it's time for majority to start operating high frequency energies like love so as to be part of the greater destiny.


So also life is like a training camp for a future home

Thanks for that.

sarmy:

A complex product requires the owner’s manual and a contact person so as to maximize its benefits.

Lack of the owner’s manual and a contact person may results in frustration trying to use the complex product.
Is Life a complex product?

Is there a manual for it?

Is there a contact person?

How may we use this product or how do we escape

In responding to the highlighted above, the reason why i believe God appeared frequently to the ancients was to serve as a "owner's manual" in essence to guide man to fufilling his destiny of dominating this planet. This knowledge can then be passed down and developed by succesive generations. Today God as already set us on the right part by revealing certain truths and technologies to our fore fathers. WHich as been passed on to us. What we don't know that seems to be complex is not relevant to us for now. I am sure when we as human beings transform to the life beyond, these unknown complex truths would be revealed to us as in their simplicity as well.

KunleOshob:

This knowledge can then be passed down and developed by succesive generations. Today God as already set us on the right part by revealing certain truths and technologies to our fore fathers. WHich as been passed on to us. What we don't know that seems to be complex is not relevant to us for now. I am sure when we as human beings transform to the life beyond, these unknown complex truths would be revealed to us as in their simplicity as well.

There are some complex truths relevant to our present life e.g

KunleOshob:

our soul is eternal and we are created to be like God.

If our soul is eternal, when did it start to exist? for example, when the first man was created, was that the time his spirit and soul started to exist?

Could it be that at creation, a body was created for an already existing spirit?

When a new baby is born, when was the spirit and soul of this baby created?

Is there a pre-birth life of the baby?

What happens to the spirit and the soul of a baby that died a week old?

When we clearly understand where we are coming from and why we are here, then can we be optimistic about the future

sarmy:

There are some complex truths relevant to our present life e.g

If our soul is eternal, when did it start to exist? for example, when the first man was created, was that the time his spirit and soul started to exist?

Could it be that at creation, a body was created for an already existing spirit?

When a new baby is born, when was the spirit and soul of this baby created?

Is there a pre-birth life of the baby?

What happens to the spirit and the soul of a baby that died a week old?

When we clearly understand where we are coming from and why we are here, then can we be optimistic about the future

The bible in genesis tells us that God breathed life into man for man to become a living soul. God is eternal hence the life he breathed into man. The reason God limited man's life on earth is becos of the original sin. It is my belief that a new life is being created with each new birth and not that the life existed else where before. As i said in a previous post, God is growing an Amry of gods to fufil a future unrevealed destiny. So each birth is a new life contributing to that growth. The spirit of the child that died a week old as obviously failed to achive it's purpose in life and that is to prepare him/her for the after life. I don't know what happens to such maybe those are the souls that are re-incarnated.

@Sarmy,

Let me address albeit briefly the questions you raised in your last post. They are important questions which should be of concern to all true seekers of the Truth.

If our soul is eternal, when did it start to exist? for example, when the first man was created, was that the time his spirit and soul started to exist?

Could it be that at creation, a body was created for an already existing spirit?

Human beings are spirits. Spirits came into existence when God created the spiritual world. The birth of man on earth is when this spirit that has already been in existence incarnates in a physical body. Thus their is spiritual creation from which the spirit originated and material creation from which our physical bodies originated. Spiritual creation was created first and only later did material creation came into existence. Your sensing is closer to the truth. Thus the human body was "created" for an already existing spirit. The birth of man or what people often refer as creation of man is when the preexisting spirt incarnated in a physical body for the first time. That happened millions of years ago.

When a new baby is born, when was the spirit and soul of this baby created?

 

A new baby is only new with respect to the physical or human body but not with respect to the soul/spirit. In reality new born babies are old souls in young bodies. They have been on earth several times in the process of reincarnation. Sometimes, the souls in some new born babies are even older than that of the parents and in some instances the baby is the father of the the present parents in a former earthlife, etc. Thus at fertilization, a new soul or spirit is not created, rather an existing spirit is linked by radiation connection to the fertilized ova. The radiation connection devlops into a bridge that the soul uses to enter the developing embryo at about 4-5 months (on the average) of gestation. Once the soul enters and resides in the developing body, its spiritual perception is blocked so that under normal circumstances, it cannot survey its previous earthly existence. Thus the baby appear to be new but a careful look at his traits, strenghts, weaknesses, abilities as he grows will demonstrate that his or her personality cannot be just explained by the few months or years he or she has lived. Occasionally, the bandage falls from few children and they can recall their previous incarnation to the bafflement of their family.

Is there a pre-birth life of the baby?

Yes, their is a pre-birth life. It is worlds where souls experience until they are due for re-incarnation on earth. It is also the same world where souls go after earthly death.  On earth, birth and death are the two poles of our existence. Their is life after death and their is life before birth.

What happens to the spirit and the soul of a baby that died a week old? 

The soul of the child returns to the after life world to continue experiencing until an opportunity for reincarnation arises. The lengh of time between each incarnation varies with each soul and is influenced by such factors as spiritual maturity, spirtual status of the earth, earthly propensities, end time, etc. Every person on earth today have been on earth several times before. Although many cannot consciously look back at their former existence, a careful look at their personality, their circumstances and their asscociations on earth will give them some pointer that they have been here before. Stay blessed!

Thanks

m_nwankwo:

Spirits came into existence when God created the spiritual world. The birth of man on earth is when this spirit that has already been in existence [b]incarnates [/b]in a physical body. Thus their is spiritual creation from which the spirit originated and material creation from which our physical bodies originated. Spiritual creation was created first and only later did material creation came into existence. Your sensing is closer to the truth. Thus the human body was "created" for an already existing spirit. The birth of man or what people often refer as creation of man is when the preexisting spirt incarnated in a physical body for the first time. That happened millions of years ago.

I beleive in incarnation but I think many christians are against this subject

Bible says, "it's appointed for one to die once after which is the judgement" what do you have to say about that?

Yes, their is a pre-birth life. It is worlds where souls experience until they are due for re-incarnation on earth. It is also the same world where souls go after earthly death. On earth, birth and death are the two poles of our existence. Their is life after death and their is life before birth.

What's the purpose of coming back to this life, who makes that decision and why? One might have preferred not to come back to this life if the choice exists

The soul of the child returns to the after life world to continue experiencing until an opportunity for reincarnation arises. The lengh of time between each incarnation varies with each soul and is influenced by such factors as[b] spiritual maturity[/b], spirtual status of the earth, earthly propensities, end time, etc. Every person on earth today have been on earth several times before. Although many cannot consciously look back at their former existence, a careful look at their personality, their circumstances and their asscociations on earth will give them some pointer that they have been here before. Stay blessed!

Could it have been that only those yet to be matured spiritually are the ones re-incarnating and those required here for special assignments, but can we back this up in the bible?

Hi again Sarmy

I beleive in incarnation but I think many christians are against this subject

Bible says, "it's appointed for one to die once after which is the judgement" what do you have to say about that?
 

Sure some christians are against reincarnation. What is important is not what others believe or do not believe but that which your spirit knows to be true. Each of us is responsible for what we believe or do not believe. That statement does not refer to the physical body and if it does there are many events that clearly show that man can die more than once. Lazurus died and Jesus raised him from the dead. Lazurus is no more alive and one can safely conclude that he died again, thus a second time. Even in our own time their are authentic reports across nations, even in Nigeria of people who died and came back to life and years later died again. Thus the observation that Lazurus and some others died more than once contradicts the belief that the above quoted biblical passage refers to the physical body. Besisdes the body is not alife in itself, it is only alife when it is inhabited by a soul. Only what is alife can die and that referes to the soul or spirit. The spirit can die if it proves itself incapable of recognisisng and living according to the will of God. Sin leads to the death of the spirit/soul, the so called eternal damnation.

What's the purpose of coming back to this life, who makes that decision and why? One might have preferred not to come back to this life if the choice exists

We were created as spirit seeds or germs and for us to devlope into a spiritual tree, a human spirit or a child of God, we need to recognise all the laws of God and live accordinly. It is impossible to recognise all the laws of God and live accordinly in a single earthlife. Multiple earthlife or reincarnations are required. Thus the original purpose of reincarnation is to recognise the will of God and put it into practice. Unfortunately, man failed in this and instead went agains the will of God, thus commiting sin. More reincarnations than origianally planned were required for man to redress his misteps and repent from his sins. It is like a high scholl student who want to be a doctor. He was given the oppurtunity to study medicine which takes about six years. If he is serious with his studies, he will not repeat a course or a class and thus will graduate in six years. If however he is not serious with his studies and failed some of his courses, he will have to repeat them and may end up graduating in 10 years instead of six. It may also happen that he may be rusticated from the University since he failed to pass those courses inspite of repeating them several times. This analogy of a student that want to study medicine can be likened to reincarnation. A normal human spirit who developed as God wills may require six reincarnation, a human sppirit that sineed but repented may require 10 reincarnations while a human spirit that is incapable of repenting from his sin dies or suffers spiritual death. The use of six and ten reincarnations is to give you a picture and it should not be interpreted to mean that 6-10 reincarnations are required. You came to this world becuase you want, you reincarnate because you want to or your desires, actions, thoughts, motives,  compels you to reincarnate. The laws of God are the master program that ensures that each person will reap what he has sown, thus if one murders a fellow human being or slanders a neighbour while on earth and have not attuned for it and then dies, the laws of God will compel him or her to attune for such a sin which in many cases will involve a reincarnation.

Could it have been that only those yet to be matured spiritually are the ones re-incarnating and those required here for special assignments, but can we back this up in the bible?

Reincarnation was origiannly intended to help human spirits mature. Very few human spirit achieved the maturity after few incarnations on earth and returned back to heaven, the kingdom of God. Many human spirits however did not use the oppurtunity offered by the grace of God, rather they commited sin and entangled themselves so much that they require several reincarnations to atone for their guilt. Occasionally, a human spirit that have returned to heaven or a higher being, that is a being greater than the human spirit can be sent by God to earth on special assignment. The fufillment of such assignment atimes require reincarnation so that the messenger can learn all the necessary lessons essential for the fulfilment of his or her mission. I do not quote the bible and so cannot back up what I stated above with biblical quotations. Just examine what I stated with your spirit, your experiences and make your own decision. Stay blessed!

m_nwankwo:


A new baby is only new with respect to the physical or human body but not with respect to the soul/spirit. [b]In reality new born babies are old souls in young bodies[/b]. They have been on earth several times in the process of reincarnation. Sometimes, the souls in some new born babies are even older than that of the parents and in some instances the baby is the father of the the present parents in a former earthlife, etc. Thus at fertilization, a new soul or spirit is not created, rather an existing spirit is linked by radiation connection to the fertilized ova. The radiation connection devlops into a bridge that the soul uses to enter the developing embryo at about 4-5 months (on the average) of gestation. Once the soul enters and resides in the developing body, its spiritual perception is blocked so that under normal circumstances, it cannot survey its previous earthly existence. Thus the baby appear to be new but a careful look at his traits, strenghts, weaknesses, abilities as he grows will demonstrate that his or her personality cannot be just explained by the few months or years he or she has lived. Occasionally, the bandage falls from few children and they can recall their previous incarnation to the bafflement of their family.

If every new baby is coming with an old soul i.e is being re-incarnated how come the world's poplation keeps growing at an exponential rate?? Let's even assume re-incarnation is possible howodes it account for the millions of additional souls being added to the earth's population every day. Is population growth not enough evidence that new souls are being created?

@m_nwankwo

m_nwankwo:

L, Reincarnation was origiannly intended to help human spirits mature.

Thanks, it seems reincarnation is an empowering concept that could help to understand WHY WE ARE HERE and how we can escape this physical realm to a more glorious home. It also absolves God from most of the ills in this world; as it helps to understand why there are seemingly prevalent injustices in the world, which has made some to think either there is no God or He’s possibly unjust.

Below is an excerpt from a book which also explains this concept a bit further.


"By acquiring a long-term perspective (re-incarnation), you will also be able to answer one of the fundamental questions of life, a question that neither materialistic science nor traditional Christianity can answer. The essence of this question is why there seems to be such injustice in the world and why God seems to favor some people and condemn others to a life of suffering. For example, some children are born with immense physical or psychological handicaps while others are born with more than they need. Some people always strive to do the right thing, but they still get a terminal illness while others violate the laws of both God and man yet – or so it seems – get away with it.

Science has no answer other than saying life is a game of chance, and Christianity has no answer other than saying it is God’s will and that the Lord works in mysterious ways. Yet a logical answer is available by contemplating the consequences of the fact that you are a spiritual being that can exist independently of the physical body. You were created in the spiritual realm and the Conscious You then descended into your physical body. As a vehicle for acting in the material world and as an interface between the Conscious You and the physical body, your identity body, your mental body and your emotional body was created. Most spiritual teachings on the planet say that your being, can survive the death of the physical body and continue an existence in the spiritual realm. Yet logically, there is no reason why your being could not have existed in the spiritual realm before you descended into your physical body.
This leads to the logical conclusion that – over time – your conscious self has descended into more than one physical body, meaning that your journey on planet Earth goes back hundreds or thousands of years. This explains both of the questions raised above. If you have incarnated many times in various situations, you have used your co-creative abilities to set in motion certain causes, and in this lifetime you are experiencing the effects. This is what Eastern religions call karma, and it is simply the return of an energy impulse that was sent out by you in a previous lifetime. Jesus expressed this when he told people to do unto others as they want others to do to them. What you do to others will eventually come back to you because the cosmic mirror will return to you what you send out

If a child is born with an illness, the cause of that illness was created by the person in previous lifetimes. While this might seem harsh, it is an empowering concept. If the child’s illness was the result of a game of chance or the will of an unjust God, there would be no way for the child to ever improve its life. Yet if the situation is the result of choices made by the child in a previous lifetime, then the person can change the causes that were set in motion and thereby overcome the adverse effects.

This also explains why it can take some time before you see major results from your efforts to improve your life by working with your mind. You can now see that i[b]n order to completely purify the levels of your mind, you must also resolve the limitations created in past lifetimes. [/b]

KunleOshob:

If every new baby is coming with an old soul i.e is being re-incarnated how come the world's poplation keeps growing at an exponential rate?? Let's even assume re-incarnation is possible howodes it account for the millions of additional souls being added to the earth's population every day. Is population growth not enough evidence that new souls are being created?

Re-incarnation may not neccessarily mean that new souls will not be created by God if the need arises. 2ndly, billions of souls could have been created by God but all may not have manifested yet in this physical realm.

@Kunle

KunleOshob:

If every new baby is coming with an old soul i.e is being re-incarnated how come the world's poplation keeps growing at an exponential rate?? Let's even assume re-incarnation is possible howodes it account for the millions of additional souls being added to the earth's population every day. Is population growth not enough evidence that new souls are being created?

Thanks kunle. Your question is loaded and it will require a series of discuss about the origin and development of the human spirit to give a comprehensive answer. Thus I will give a brief answer and if the need arises I can then expand it so that the picture is clear. The increase in world population is not an evidence against re-incarnation for the following reasons.

First the spirit seeds that God created in the spiritual realm is inexhaustible. That means that new spirit seeds continually live paradise or heaven in search of development. That is, the urge for development leads them to material creation. In material creation their are several planents in diffirent galaxies and universes that support the incarnation of the human spirit seed. Our planet earth is just one of the several others. Now an earthlike planet reaches a midpoint in its eternal cycle, that is, it reaches a point in its development in which the laws of God have designed a "human body" to which the spirit seed can incarnate. This off course span million of years of biological evolution such that the laws of God makes it possible that an animal body have developed to the extent that it resembles the human body as we know it.  When such a point is reached a wave of human spirit seeds coming from paradise incarnate into these highly developed animal body and the incarnation of the spirit then transforms the highly developed animal body into the human body. An earth like planent that have reached this point will continue to take new human spirits until its developmental cycle prevents the incarnation of new human spirits sincece such new human spirit seeds will not have enough time to develop before the earth like planet and its inhabitants are judjed by God. Thus when an earth like planet has substantially passed midpoint in its cycle, it does not admit fresh human spirits but rather it admits old spirits by a process of reincarnation. New spirits coming from paradise now incarnate in an earth like planet that is at mid point in it cycles , and the process is repeated. Thus our own planet do not admit fresh spirits becuase it has substantially passed the midpoint of its cycle and it is heading for judjement. New spirit seeds are incarnated in earth like planets younger than our earth. Just like in an earthly school system, fresh students can be admited at a particular time and when that passes, admission is closed and intending applicants have to wait for a new class in a new session. New class and new session in a school system can be analogous to younger earth like planets in the cosmic events that I am describing. Their are also other earth like planets that are older than our earth and the human spirits there have already undergone judjement. Now back to your question.

In the worlds that are in after life, that is, those worlds where the soul goes when it leaves the physical body by death, their are several planes and each of these planes is substantially larger than our physical earth. Hell for instance is one of those planes. Had men not sinned, then they will not stay much in these planes but rather move towards the kingdom of God, that is heaven. That means that these planes would have been depopulated of human spirits long time ago since they would have found theire way back to paradise. Unfortunately sin has entrapped billions of human spirits in these after world planes expecially the dark regions(hell). It is human spirts from these dark regions that are responsible for the increase and continual increase in the populationof our physical earth. This is because all roads lead to earth for two specific reasons:

First had men not become immoral, these dark souls will not have a bridge that catapults them to the physical earth. The reason is that the immorarity of our women encouraged by men have provided a bridge to these dark spheres such that these dark souls encourage women by radiations to engage in immoral sexual union and thus provide an opportunity for these dark souls to incarnate. Thus more than half of the present inhabitants of our earth do not belong here but came from dark sheres including hell. Thus they bring with them activities that are prevalent in the dark sphere and that is the reason for so much evil on earth.

Second, the earth and the after life worlds connected with the earth are very close to the final exam, the judjement of God and all souls who are still desireous of passing the judjement are moving to the earth where the oppurtunity exists for attonement. They know that very soon it will be too late hence the rush and subsequent explosion in the human population. Just an earthly analogy, if super eagles are playing a match at the national stadium, the national stadium and its environs will be jampacked. If one have been going to the national stadium on the match day without taking into congnisance of the entire population of lagos, he or she may well think that the spectators at the time of the match and the traffic around the environs of the stadium increased. Simlarly at rush hour in major junctions in lagos, the traaffic jam is overwhelming. If one do not take into cognissnace the entire population of Lagosians that have cars, he or she may think at rush hour that the increase in traafic means that more people are buying new cars. In reality it is the rush hour or the football match that created such explosion for a survey of the entire lagos population will show that the number of people and cars are constant but the rush hour or football event gave the impression of an apparent increase in people and traffic.

In summary, the immorality of womenfolk and men folk coupled with the advanciing judjement of God created a spiritual rush hour in which human souls in other non-physical planes of existence connected with our earth are rushing to the earth to close a cycle that will either lead to redemption of the souls or spiritual death. Hence the explosion in human population. Compared with the original wave of human spirits that incarnated on earth, the present population of 5 billion plus is a tip of the iceberg. Stay blessed!

@Sarmy,

Thanks for the excerpts you quoted from a book explainig reincarnation. I do not agree with everything said therein. Stay blessed.

m_nwankwo:

@Sarmy,

Thanks for the excerpts you quoted from a book explainig reincarnation. I do not agree with everything said therein. Stay blessed.

Hi m_nwankwo,
please kindly highlight the area you disagree with. I wish to know more on this concept.

n the worlds that are in after life, that is, those worlds where the soul goes when it leaves the physical body by death, their are several planes and each of these planes is substantially larger than our physical earth. Hell for instance is one of those planes. Had men not sinned, then they will not stay much in these planes but rather move towards the kingdom of God, that is heaven. That means that these planes would have been depopulated of human spirits long time ago since they would have found theire way back to paradise. Unfortunately sin has entrapped billions of human spirits in these after world planes expecially the dark regions(hell). It is human spirts from these dark regions that are responsible for the increase and continual increase in the populationof our physical earth. This is because all roads lead to earth for two specific reasons:

First had men not become immoral, these dark souls will not have a bridge that catapults them to the physical earth. T[b]he reason is that the immorarity of our women encouraged by men have provided a bridge to these dark spheres such that these dark souls encourage women by radiations to engage in immoral sexual union and thus provide an opportunity for these dark souls to incarnate[/b]. Thus more than half of the present inhabitants of our earth do not belong here but came from dark sheres including hell. Thus they bring with them activities that are prevalent in the dark sphere and that is the reason for so much evil on earth.

I will appreciate more information on the above highlighted
- Are people coming back from hell to earth?
- How has the immorality of women encouraged by men provides opportunity for reincarnation?

@m_nwanko
As usual your explaination is very way off and complex, i once asked you how you know your source (Grail message) is correct your answer was that : "you just know cause it makes sense" I also asked: what is the source of inspiration of the writter of the Grail message? That question you couldn't answer. I am sorry but even if some of your assertions are true they seem very outrageuos. There as to be a better way to confirm that it is the truth you writting, but at this point in time all i can say is that it sounds like "Spiritual fiction"

IT IS LIKE GRAIL MESSAGE IS IN VOGUE AGAIN. debbie aruyo the lady behind child witchcraft story in akwa ibom is also a member

KunleOshob:

@m_nwanko
As usual your explaination is very way off and complex, i once asked you how you know your source (Grail message) is correct your answer was that : "you just know cause it makes sense" I also asked: what is the source of inspiration of the writter of the Grail message? That question you couldn't answer. I am sorry but even if some of your assertions are true they seem very outrageuos. There as to be a better way to confirm that it is the truth you writting, but at this point in time all i can say is that it sounds like "Spiritual fiction"

Thanks for your comments. In aswering the question of how I know that the Grail Message is true, I do not recall using the words "you just know cause it makes sense". Can you remind me of where I used those words? As for my explanations being complex and way off, it is your opinion and you are entiltled to it.  Indeed it will be a paradox if as a scientist and university teacher I am complex and offmark. I hope some of my present and former students will hear you make that charge. Those two characteristics would lead to the death of my carrier as a teacher and scientist. Pick the Grail Message and study and come to your own conclusions. That is the best way to access it. Stay blessed!

JJYOU:

IT IS LIKE GRAIL MESSAGE IS IN VOGUE AGAIN. debbie aruyo the lady behind child witchcraft story in akwa ibom is also a member

Who is Debbie Aruyo and what has her activities got to do with the Grail Message? Best wishes.

@m_nwanko
From the tone of your response, you sound offended if that is the case i am sorry but no offence meant. But that doesn't take away that your response is complex and way off. My question still remains valid: how do you know the source of your inspiration is correct? The grail message is voluminous and not readily available, why should i go through the stress of getting a copy and reading it if i am not sure of the authenticity of what is written there. From your previous posts about after life and pre life, only a divine revelation can authoritaively comment on such topics. My question is this, is the grail message divine? And if it is what or who is the source of inspiration of Abdru Shin and how do you know for certain that he is genuine.
PS: A lot of people have read the grail message and don't agree with it, so reading it does not necessarily mean i would agree.

JJYOU:

IT IS LIKE GRAIL MESSAGE IS IN VOGUE AGAIN.

Hi JJYou,

This topic is not to propagate a particular message, I don't know anything about Grail message and I'm not a promoter of it, but this does not necessarily mean that the possibility of reincarnation can be ignored when addressing "why we are here on earth and how do we get back to God"

This is not about Grail message but truth can come from anywhere, it knows no boundary

Thanks & God bless you.

KunleOshob:

@m_nwanko
From the tone of your response, you sound offended if that is the case i am sorry but no offence meant. But that doesn't take away that your response is complex and way off. My question still remains valid: how do you know the source of your inspiration is correct? The grail message is voluminous and not readily available, why should i go through the stress of getting a copy and reading it if i am not sure of the authenticity of what is written there. From your previous posts about after life and pre life, only a divine revelation can authoritaively comment on such topics. My question is this, is the grail message divine? And if it is what or who is the source of inspiration of Abdru Shin and how do you know for certain that he is genuine.
PS: A lot of people have read the grail message and don't agree with it, so reading it does not necessarily mean i would agree.

Hi again Kunle. I am not offended. I can answer your questions in one sentence but it will not help you. That is why I keep quiet on those questions concerning the identity of Abdrushin and the source of the Grail Message. The taste of the pudding lies in the eating. That is why I advise you to read the Grail Message and you will find who Abdrushin is and what is the source of his knowledge. You do not read the Grail Message to agree or not agree but to be informed so that you can make an informed judjement about it. If after examining it and you disagree, then drop it. Many have read it, rejected it because they are not yet spiritually ready and years later following inner spiritual growth they then come to recognition.  When people make comments similar to you and they are genuine human beings as you are, I often smile because every genuine human being will at a point in his or her development come to the recognition of the Grail Message either in this life or the after life. That I am certain about.  If getting a copy is the problem, I can help you out with that. If however you do not want the stress of examining it, then forget it. Stay blessed!

@Sarmy

Let me address the issues you raised albeit briefly

Hi m_nwankwo,
please kindly highlight the area you disagree with. I wish to know more on this concept.

There are two points that I disagree with in the excepts and will mention them briefly. First one of the purpose of reincarnation is to afford us the oppurtunity to purify our spirits from sin. The excerpts you quoted talks about purification of the mind. The mind is not spirit but a specie of matter finer than the physical body. The mind also is not the seat of self consciousness rather it is the spirit that has consciousness. The mind and the brain only appear to be conscious because they are inhabited by a self conscious spirit. Thus reinincarnation offers the oppurtunity to rid the spirit of sins clinging to it. All sins are material wheather they are thoughts, words, actions, motives etc, thus our thoughts, words, motives are material except that they are finer than the specie of matter that gave rise to our physical bodies.

The next point is that it is not in all cases that the illness of a child is due to a previous sins. Karmic entanglement is just one possibilty and their are severa others. For instance a child may be born blind, not because he or she has sinned but because the experiencing of blindness is necessary to prepare the child for a mission dealing with restoring sight to the blind. It may also be that a soul accepts to be blind to help a messenger or envoy of God. In this case the child is born blind so that when he crosses the path of a messenger of God, his or her sight will be restored. Such a miracle will strengten the faith of the believers in God and make non/believers to take a closer look at the word of God as being proclaimed by a messenger of God. It may also be that a child is born blind as a result of the expression of the free will of his parents. On earth both the good and bad exist together and a spirit who wants to incarnate on earth accepts before hand, that is prior to incarnation, that bad things may well happen to him as a result of the evil activities of his fellow men. Whatever is the scenario, all possibilities point back to the incorruptible justice of God, that is we experience the consequences of our activities wheather or not we are conscious of when, where and how we sowed the seeds of the fruits that we are ripeing.

I will appreciate more information on the above highlighted
- Are people coming back from hell to earth?
- How has the immorality of women encouraged by men provides opportunity for reincarnation?

Yes some people on earth today came back from hell.  Immorality encourages reincarnation of dark souls. A woman was created by God such that she has an earthly invisible bridge through which a soul uses to enter the body of a foetus in the womans womb. This bridge is meant to be kept in purity and if it does, only radiant and noble souls can enter the foetus in the womans womb, that is it is only noble sols that want to learn and follow the will of God will incarnate on earth. A man lacks this invincible bridge and that is why a soul cnnot incarnate through a man even if the the embryo was artificial created and science develops an artificial womb that can be implanted into a man. Just like you can tune your decorder to CNN and start recieving signals from CNN, hell and its human inhabtants also emits specific signals which is of the same weight and density with the impure thoughts accompanying acts of procreation that is not in accordance with the laws of God. These impure thoughts/motives soils the spiritual bridge in the woman and gives it a density that corresponds to the density of the dark souls in hell. One of the laws of God is that like attracts like with respect to complete species. Thus the homogeniety beween dark souls in hell and the earthly worman that is impure creates an attraction that catapults these souls from the region of hell and other dark spheres to the earth plane and subsequent incarnation. A woman who do not want dark souls to incarnate through her must enter a marriage according to the laws of God and must keep the hearts of her thoughts pure before, during and after the act of procreation. In that way it is impossible for a dark soul to approach and incarnate through her. Pornography and other forms of sexual perversions were brought to earth from dark spheres (including hell) by souls who have once lived in these dark regions. On earth they try to drag down to their level souls that have nobler qualities. There are other consequences of this bridge in a woman being soiled by impurity and in some cases even destroyed. However going into it will stray away from the purpose of this thread. I guess I have to stop here for now. Stay blessed!

@m_nwankwo,

Thanks for that clarification.

sarmy:

@m_nwankwo,

Thanks for that clarification.

Thank you too. Stay blessed!

m_nwankwo:

Thank you too. Stay blessed!

Can you also clarify this further, where Freewill starts from, in the spirit or physical realm?

Who decides being born into the physical body the first time, was there any choice, or was it by necessity

Was there a choice of where to be born etc I still wonder why one is born in Africa where there is struggle for basic life/survival while some in Europe or America and some in Iraq, or some when life was terribly bad slavery, war, etc.

How do we justify where one is born for the first time?

Hi again Sarmy

Thanks for your serious questions. I will answer as follows:

sarmy:

Can you also clarify this further, where Freewill starts from, in the spirit or physical realm?

Who decides being born into the physical body the first time, was there any choice, or was it by necessity

Was there a choice of where to be born etc I still wonder why one is born in Africa where there is struggle for basic life/survival while some in Europe or America and some in Iraq, or some when life was terribly bad slavery, war, etc.

How do we justify where one is born for the first time?

Free will is a faculty of the spirit. That means that free will is inherent in the spirit. In otherwords it is the spirit that decides. Our spirits, that is the human spirits first came into existence as spirit seeds or spirit germs. The spirit seeds will through development become human spirits. It is similar to a mango seed which through development matures into a mango tree bearing fruits. In paradise or heaven where the spirit seeds originated, the power of God is so strong that the spirit seeds cannot develop into a human spirit in paradise. In paradise these spirit seeds are uncounscious but have an intrinsic urge for development. Just like a mango seed can only develop in a soil with appropriate moisture, nutrients. warmt etc, the spirit seed has to be sown in a soil that has all the nutrients for its development into a spirit. That soil for the development of the spirit seeds or germs is the material creation. The material creation is broadly divided into two and each of these two sections is again divided into several subsections. In order not to make it complex to you, I will not go into those divisions and subdivisions for now. The spirit germ remains in paradise until the uncounscious urge for development awakens in it. Then it is expelled from paradise and sinks first into animistic creation and later on into material creation. Animistic creation is a ring of creation between heaven (spiritual creation) and material creation. Animistic creation is where such beings as Apollo, Zeus, fairies, gnomes, salamamders and even animal souls have their origin. The travelling spirit germ is totally uncounscious as it moves from paradise and through the various planes of the animistic world. The movement is guided by the power of God and the servants of God. The same servants of God also veil or cover the spirit germ with a body made from the substance in which the spirit germ has sunk, for example in the animistic world, the spirit germ is covered with animistic bodies. The envelopment of the spirit germ by these bodies increses it density and it sinks further obeying the law of spiritual gravity. Then it sinks into material creation. It is only in material creation that it first aweakens to consciousness and with the aweaking of consciouness comes the awakening of free will and self consciousness. These are broad pictures and I will avoid going into details since it will confuse you. Several discussions are required before I can go into details in these things.

Thus at first incarnation, the spirit seed that is already in the process of developing into a spirit decides where he has to be born, to which parents etc. All spirit seeds or germs have the same talents from God and which ever talent each one of them decides to aweaken will authomatically attract it to persons and enviroment that are suitable for the development of such talents into qualities or abilities. Thus the choice lies in the talents which the developing spirit want to aweaken. That decision glows through the developing spirit and attracts it to parents and enviroments that are suitable and conducisve for the development of its prefered talents.  Note that the "parents" that provided the body for the incarnation of the first wave of spirits were not human beings but the highest developed animals with a body close to the human body. Having served as an intermediary for the incarnation of the first human spirits, these "primeveal men" became extinct. Thus even at first incarnation, we are here because we want to develope. Spirit seeds that have not yet developed the urge for development remained in paradise. During the first incarnation of the human spritual on earth, the earth was a reflection of paradise with such beauty. There was no sin and no disease. Thus slavery, lack of food, etc was out  the question. At that time even the chily skandinavia as we know it today  was of tropical beauty with temperatures as warm as you can find in present day Africa. This epoch lasted until the fall of man, that is until sin entered the world.

Was there a choice of where to be born etc I still wonder why one is born in Africa where there is struggle for basic life/survival while some in Europe or America  and some in Iraq, or some when life was terribly bad slavery, war, etc.

With sin entering the world, disease, death, misery, famine and all the various evils become the order of the day. In subsequent reincarnations,   most spirits do not come to develope those talents given to them by God but to atone for their sins in previous earthlifes. Unfortunately and in many cases such atonement is not achieved but the spirit burdens itself further with new guilt. It then becomes an endless cycle of reincarnation until the final judjement of God destroys such an unworthy human spirit. Wheather you are born in Europe or Africa, in health or disease, in splendour or abject poverty, it is our choice. We are only reaping the consequences of our activities in former and present earth lifes. The mistake most people make is that they assume that they have been here only once. All of us has been earth several times in different guises. What we experience  presently is only a snapshot from our existence spanning millions of years. Reincarnation is independent of race, nationality, sex, religion etc. Rather it is our character, the qualities of our spirit, the expressions of our free will that decides where we are born and the circumstances we are born it. Many black people today were caucasians in former times, many christians  of today were of different fates in former incarnations, some atheists today helped to extablish christianity centuries ago, many poor today were very rich in former times etc, There is no one who have not at one point in his existence been blessed with riches and the very good things of life.   All that happens to us is a tastement to the incorruptible justice and love of God which returns to each person the fruits of his seeds. Whatever our circumstances we should look deep into our souls and ask God for his help, then the bandage before our eyes will fall away and we will see that in all that has happened or will happen to us is a consequence of our free will. If we submit our free will to the will of God, then our guit from former times will be mitigated or even abrogated. It is a special grace of God that we are permitted the possiblity to become a human spirit, a servant of God.

How do we justify where one is born for the first time?

I have already answerd this. See the second paragraph of my answer to your question on whose choice it was during our first incarnation. Stay blessed!

m_nwankwo:

There is no one who have not at one point in his existence been blessed with riches and the very good things of life. All that happens to us is a tastement to the incorruptible justice and love of God which returns to each person the fruits of his seeds. Whatever our circumstances we should look deep into our souls and ask God for his help, then the bandage before our eyes will fall away and we will see that in all that has happened or will happen to us is a consequence of our free will. If we submit our free will to the will of God, then our guit from former times will be mitigated or even abrogated. It is a special grace of God that we are permitted the possiblity to become a human spirit, a servant of God.

I really appreciate this exposition, this has always been my line of thinking but I wonder why Christianity does not teach this subject even though it enables us to love and appreciate God the more, without a good understanding of why we are here, some may continue to doubt if God is Just, and we may not know how to effectively make this life a better place for now and the life to come (becoming a religious person is definitely not enough)

I have read on this forum where many even doubt the existence of God due to the happenings in the world, others because of the stories in the bible which they can not reconcile with the image of God, but if this concept is well understood it could be an eye opener to all

Escape to Where?

Murango?

Gamine:

Escape to Where?

Murango?

I wonder, or may be to Chicago

But on a serious note, when one look at the world's events critically, even though we may be living comfortably well at this moment, but millions of other people are suffering every day, some not as a result of their making presently but they found themselves living in such a condition by default, is there any way of escape for them?

Also in another situation where many have been making unsuccessful attempt to escape to a white man country in search of a better life, and those in such countries were not 100% satisfied with ongoing events, there exists in every soul a desire for something better, present life may not be satisfactory, then why are we here and how do we escape; from unwanted present life to a better one or God's kingdom to come?